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Hard To Fix Stupid !

Wouldn’t you know my first post of the new year would be about immigration?

To preface, I have no words to describe/explain the destruction brought on this country over the last 30 years thru globalist and open border/amnesty policies. It’s so shameful that we the people allowed this to happen. It will take President Trump and a couple more populist regimes of Trump flavor to restore the country, the Constitution, a more decent governing body. But, much of the damage can never be overcome.

To wit, according to an article by the New York Post, a citizen of Chinese decent was arrested 10 Dec, preparing to board Hainan Airlines to Bejing. In his sock he was carrying 21 vials of cancer cells that he took from a US medical center. He had stolen 8 vials and replicated 11 more based on a 'colleague's' researcher.

Authorities said the theft appeared to have support of the Chinese gov't. Two other Chinese scientists of the same lab had successfully smuggled stolen bio material out of the country.

Officials are investigating 'hundreds of cases' involving potential theft by visiting scientists, all of them Chinese nationals, part of China's effort to steal their way up the economic ladder at our expense.

Here's the kicker: Researchers of Chinese descent make up nearly half of the work force in US research labs. Among the '6000' Chinese scientists who have received grants from the NIH, around 180 are under investigation.

And how many of these amnestized Chinese have been working in the national defense/intelligence sector for decades? Just recently a Chinese person was accosted for just walking on to a US Navy base in Fla, taking pictures, a common situation according to authorities.

We really need three FBI's, seven DOJ's and a couple of thousand lawyers to deal with the corruption and spying going on in this country. This is what the Bush's, Clinton's and Obamanites, McCain's and similar so blatantly have given us. "I can be more flexible after the election' and so on . . . Uranium One and so on . . . some billions to Iran, and so on, and on and on to ad nauseam.

Posted by Roy Ellis at January 1, 2020 3:07 PM
Comments
Comment #452157

More on immigration: An article by RealClear Politics published some interesting information re the latest census report.

Census will begin a new decade count in April.
The writer, using ‘Method of Equal Proportions’, estimates changes that are likely to occur in political jurisdictions around the country. They estimate that Texas should gain 3 House seats, Florida 2 seats, NC, Col, Az, Mont. And Ore. should gain one seat, and Al, Ca, Minn, Ill, Mich, Oh, WV, Pa, NY, and RI should each lose a seat.

They note that Trump would gain electoral seats but the changes wouldn’t take effect until 2024 election. And, interestingly, they note that if Trump should lose in 2020 he could, theoretically run again in 2024.

Newsday.com relates that NY had the largest population loss over the last two years. Other states losing population were Ill, WV, La, Conn, Ms, Ha, NJ, Alaska and Ver. Growth states, in order, were Tx, Fl, Az, NC, and Wa.

They note that population is moving from the northeast to the other parts of the country. Population loss has much to do with Trump’s immigration policy and the high cost of living in some areas such as NY and Ca.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 1, 2020 4:20 PM
Comment #452158

Roy, enemies of the United States have been stealing military secrets and technology from us for decades. I recall reading about Ethel and Julius Rosenberg being executed in 1953 for espionage. Today, we would simply send them home with a warning.

When major criminal action is not severely and publicly punished, it diminishes our national conscious and righteous outrage. We find excuses for the worst criminality. Mass killers are sympathetically pardoned because of some harsh childhood experience they suffered or their lack of self-esteem.

We have been conditioned be “soft on crime” if it is perpetrated by certain people or for “good” reasons. We have become so silly that we now find some crime is actually a “hate” crime. Wow…what a revelation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 1, 2020 4:32 PM
Comment #452179

Democrats complain endlessly about the homeless, and the poor, while simultaneously pandering to illegal immigrants, and incentivizing illegal immigration for decades (in order to acquire more electoral votes, based on the decennial census, which does not verify citizenship).
It appears Democrats care more about illegal immigrants than U.S. citizens.
Why is that?

The Democrats are doing all of THIS, which reveals the depth of their depravity and hypocrisy, and what Democrats really care about is acquiring more electoral votes via massive illegal immigration. Their compassion for illegal immigrants is fake, because when Obama and Democrats had a filibuster-proof Congress in 2009, they did nothing for illegal immigrants or the “Dreamers”.

IF Democrats really cared about U.S. citizens, they would not ignore the following:

  • (01) 2,000 homicides per year by crimoinal non-citizens;
  • (02) the tens of thousands of victims per year of crime by criminal non-citizens;
  • (03) the hundreds of billions per year ($0.75 Billion per day) in net losses per year due to illegal immigration;
  • (04) the welfare being used by illegal immigrants, instead of U.S. citizens;
  • (05) the rampant voter fraud by tens of thousands of illegal immigrants voting in our elections each year;
  • (06) 81% of voter fraud convictions are by Democrats;
  • (07) Democrats want open-borders and refuse to support border security and common-sense immigration reforms;
  • (08) Democrats are incentivizing massive illegal immigration, with promises of sanctuary cities and states, and promises of all sorts of free stuff, including free stuff for illegal immigrants (all for more electoral votes, based on the decennial census, which does not verify citizenship);
  • (09) Democrats do all of the above, that despicably pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for more electoral votes (and power and control), but that is nothing new for Democrats who have a long history of despicable deeds.
Unfortunately, Republicans, Libertarians, and other parties have allowed it, because they like the cheap labor, and few greedy employers of illegal immigrants are being held accountable, and e-Verify is still not required, and they all fail to understand the ramifications of looking the other way.

The Republicans need to pull their heads out, and take notice of what is happening, as Democrats turn more cities and states from RED to BLUE, by massive immigration of people with socialist view points, who Democrats despicably have been pandering to for decades (and it is working).
Otherwise, socialists will overrun the nation, and we all know where socialism ends.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 2, 2020 10:49 AM
Comment #452182

Another hilarious topic from r.o.y.d.a.n. Maybe the latest words of wisdom from your boss will help you:

http://en.krelmin.ru/

or you could refer back to 2000 for his doctrine:
https://miamioh.edu/cas/academics/center/havighurst/cultural-academic-resources/putins-russia/reform-presidential-admin-landing/index.html

never forget “My Crimes Can’t Be Investigated While I’m President”

or “Jesus , can you rubes get any stupider than you are?”
Posted by: j2t2 at November 22, 2019 2:15 AM

Posted by: otreil at January 2, 2020 12:40 PM
Comment #452186

otreil is typical of many liberals. When they run out of truth and logic, they simply use slander.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 2, 2020 4:01 PM
Comment #452187

orteil, How apropos that you respond to Roy’s article about “Hard to Fix Stupid” ?!?.
After all, we’ve been wondering about you ever since you showed up here with your nonsensical rhetoric and your “Russia !, Russia !, Russia !, Putin !, Putin !, Putin !” conspiracy theories, which have already been debunked by the Mueller report.
Democrats are demonstrating how low they will stoop, while searching for a crime, despite nothing found after:

  • $40 million wasted on a 2 year investigation by Mueller, with
  • 19 lawyers,
  • 40 FBI agents, analysts, accountants, & other staff,
  • 2800 subpoenas,
  • 500 search warrants,
  • 230 communication records,
  • 13 requests to foreign governments,
  • 500 witnesses,
  • and testimony by A.G. William Barr.
And now, the House Democrats’ impeachment hoax is wasting time and money, and (again) they have no evidence of a crime.
And why didn’t Nancy Pelosi send the measely 2 fake articles of impeachment to the Senate?
Is it because she knows it is a waste of time?
Or is it because she knows it will lead to more investigations into the Bidens and potential money laundering in Ukraine?
HHMmmmm … it must really suck to be a democrat, eh?

orteil, please tell us if you’re not afraid:

  • Do you want open borders?
  • Are you OK with 2,000 homicides per year (over 5 persons per day) by criminal non-citizens?
  • Are you OK with all of these tens of thousands of victims per year of crime by criminal non-citizens?
  • Are you OK with illegal immigrants using up all of this welfare intended for U.S. citizens?
  • Are you OK with tens of thousands of illegal immigrants voting in our elections each year?
  • Are you OK with $275 Billion per year ($0.75 Billion per day) in net losses do to illegal immigration?
  • Are you OK with Democrats despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for more electoral votes based on the decennial census, which does not verify citizenship?
  • Are you OK with Democrats who make up 81% of all convictions for voter fraud?
  • Are you OK with Democrats incentivizing illegal immigration?
  • Are you OK with Democrats pandering and promising all sorts of free stuff, including lots of free stuff for illegal immigrants?
  • Is it OK with you that 32% of everyone in federal prison is an criminal non-citizen ?
  • Are you OK with the murder of Kate Steinle, who was murdered by an illegal immigrant by the name of Garcia Zarate (who had already been deported 5 times, and convicted 3 times for felonies for manufacturing narcotics), and was subsequently acquitted of that murder in a Sanctuary city in a Sanctuary state (CA), despite Zarate admitting to shooting the weapon that killed Kate Steinle, which should have been, at the very least, manslaughter) ?

At any rate, many thanks to orteil, again, for being the gift that keeps on giving.
Keep up the good work !

Posted by: d.a.n at January 2, 2020 4:03 PM
Comment #452308

https://youtu.be/x6KWMmvCDuA

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 6, 2020 8:32 PM
Comment #452309

https://now.tufts.edu/articles/why-united-states-only-superpower


https://qz.com/1779627/chinese-tourists-are-being-recruited-to-spy-on-the-us/

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/prospect-of-gun-control-in-virginia-draws-threats-promise-of-armed-protest/2020/01/05/7e9b230c-2e38-11ea-bcd4-24597950008f_story.html&source=gmail&ust=1578446324899000&usg=AFQjCNHpK5EJBxhtjETpEomCBhZ2zg8enQ

3 very good articles.

Otherwise, why should Obama not be tried for treason re giving support to Iran terrorists, and/or attempting a coup against a sitting President?

I know the dims consider his balls a cultural eite but that should be no excuse. U do the crime, U do the time, IMO.

How many Americans were killed thru some of the $158B?

Trump says that Iranian high level persons are not off limits re his response to any more attacks on US citizens/troops. Been waiting 30 years to hear that…

Readers should try and get to Richmond, Va. on 20 Jan for the vcdl.org protest/lobby re gun rights. Be ready Governor…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 6, 2020 8:42 PM
Comment #452310

https://now.tufts.edu/articles/why-united-states-only-superpower


https://qz.com/1779627/chinese-tourists-are-being-recruited-to-spy-on-the-us/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/prospect-of-gun-control-in-virginia-draws-threats-promise-of-armed-protest/2020/01/05/7e9b230c-2e38-11ea-bcd4-24597950008f_story.html

3 very good articles.

Otherwise, why should Obama not be tried for treason re giving support to Iran terrorists, and/or attempting a coup against a sitting President?

I know the dims consider his balls a cultural eite but that should be no excuse. U do the crime, U do the time, IMO.

How many Americans were killed thru some of the $158B?

Trump says that Iranian high level persons are not off limits re his response to any more attacks on US citizens/troops. Been waiting 30 years to hear that…

Readers should try and get to Richmond, Va. on 20 Jan for the vcdl.org protest/lobby re gun rights. Be ready Governor…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 6, 2020 8:44 PM
Comment #452313
Been waiting 30 years to hear that…

I was just telling my neighbor that we’ve been taking it on the chin since “that peanut farmer” (his words).

We have been! Trump is showing a stark contrast between what the American people hope and expect to happen and what the American government has been delivering for over half a century.

When that government official got in front of a camera and said Salami shouldn’t have been killed because he was a member of a government, it showed the elitist attitude these people operate under. His membership in a political class was supposed to protect him. Those who say position protects them expect that same protection and Trump just threw the fear of God into them, both mortal and political.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 6, 2020 9:38 PM
Comment #452314
Otherwise, why should Obama not be tried for treason re giving support to Iran terrorists, and/or attempting a coup against a sitting President?

It would be easy to get Obama if we settled the questions that have risen out of 9-11-2001.

Those towers didn’t fall because of an airplane hitting them. If you really thought about it with objectivity you would realize one plane per building could not have caused the damage that ensued. Both buildings falling exactly the same way? A third, ignored by everyone, collapsing the same way?

It would be easy to destroy the confidence of the American people in it’s government… I should say it’s federal government. The best way for the American people to make amends to the rest of the world and to ourselves, would be for us to use the truth of 9-11-2001 to destroy our federal government and rebuild it with justice, independence, and liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Annotated_text_of_the_engrossed_declaration

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 6, 2020 9:58 PM
Comment #452315

What the rest of the world fears most is a true, independent, and unfettered American Capitalist.


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 6, 2020 10:04 PM
Comment #452316
Weary Willie wrote: Those towers didn’t fall because of an airplane hitting them. If you really thought about it with objectivity you would realize one plane per building could not have caused the damage that ensued. Both buildings falling exactly the same way? A third, ignored by everyone, collapsing the same way?
Neither of the twin towers fell immediately after being struck by a large jet plane.
They fell after the fires (from both jets full of fuel) weakened the steel frame structures, and when only one floor weakened, the weight of everything above it caused a pancake collapse (which is a common form of building collapse, often seen in major earthquake disasters).

It is easy to understand why many people might believe the collapse of the 110 story Twin Towers was engineered (i.e. like an intentional demolition), based on what looked like a somewhat orderly pancake collapse, but that is actually very common, and it can happen when only one floor fails (as often occurs in earthquakes).

Also, the 110 story Twin Towers were not nearly as sturdy as the Empire State Building.
The Twin Towers were built to be as light-weight as possible.

Also, the second tower to be hit was the first to collapse, because the plane hit it lower (floors 77-ti-86), on a corner, and there was more fuel and a bigger fire, and there was more weight above the impacted floors. When the steel got soft, the floor collapsed, and all the weight above caused the pancake collapse. The first building was hit at floors 93-99, so there was less weight above the impacted floors.

While a pancake collapse may look suspicious to some people, it is actually a very common type, and natural way that buildings collapse. When demolition experts set explosive charges to bring down a building, they often only need to take out some of the floors to begin the pancake collapse, so that the building does not lean and fall into other neighboring structures.

Had the planes each hit each building much lower, it could have been a more catastrophic disaster, because the buildings may have leaned and toppled in one direction, rather than a pancake collapse.

Weary Willie wrote: What the rest of the world fears most is a true, independent, and unfettered American Capitalist.
I would fear that too.

You’ve heard the saying “Too much of anything can be a bad thing”.

Well, that can be true of pure unfettered capitalism, or the other extreme being socialism/communism (or basically, too much of anything).
Extremes of either can be bad:

  • Capitalist Extreme #1 (mostly greed): One extreme wants regressive taxation, unfettered capitalism, monopolies, and the freedom to explore and wallow in almost every manifestation of unchecked greed (e.g. mortgage crisis from 2005-to-2009 and up to 10,000 foreclosures per day, due to rampant greed at all levels; irresponsible borrowing; fake rating agencies; irresponsible lending by banks, governments, and insurance companies; complex derivatives & financial products used to hide debt; bad debts resold all over; interest-only mortgages; etc.).

  • Socialist Extreme #2 (mostly envy and sloth): The other extreme wants a nanny-state, where politicians lure citizens into being increasingly dependent on the government, with massive cradle-to-grave government programs (which are usually severely mismanaged; e.g. $70 Billion per year in Medicare fraud; $Trillions borrowed from Social Security; etc.), which nurture a sense of entitlement and dependency on government; wants to grow government ever larger (despite the already current nightmare proportions); rewards failure and laziness; tries to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality; and perpetuates the myth that many things should be free.

I prefer regulated capitalism to unfettered capitalism or socialism (or communism, which is extreme socialism).

Posted by: d.a.n at January 6, 2020 11:11 PM
Comment #452348

You failed to mention building 7, d.a.n Why is that? Do you know the video doesn’t show what the report shows about building 7’s collapse? The report said it collapsed from left to right. The video shows it collapsing across it’s entire length at the same time.

I’ll never believe those towers came down because of the planes. We’ll never know because there was no crime scene investigations done. The physical evidence was loaded onto barges an sold to China almost immediately. There were no planes reconstructed in large rooms with it’s parts meticulously reassembled. That goes for any plane, in Pennslvania or the Pentagon.

If you can believe a plane “liquified” when it hit the Pentagon then you’ll believe you can keep your doctor.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 11:22 AM
Comment #452350

Uncontrolled fires, burning for 7 hours in the 47 story Building 7, caused the collapse.
Also, there were some renovations in progress at the time, which exposed some of the infrastructure, and rendered the structure less stable.

NIST wrote: The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning’s press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. “WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires.”
Weary Willie wrote: If you can believe a plane “liquified” when it hit the Pentagon then you’ll believe you can keep your doctor.
I am only offering other explanations and substantiating sources.
I believe in facts.

In my opinion, these conspiracy theories have been thoroughly investigated and debunked by many independent, non-government institutions, over the past 18+ years. Also, I don’t think the federal government is smart enough to pull off such a conspiracy, and then keep it a secret. Also, if the buildings were demolished via explosives, the explosives would have to been installed when the buildings were built, because the beams are all hidden when the buildings were completed.

I am an engineer, have worked in construction with steel and concrete, electrical, insulation, fire resistant materials, read and studied countless blue-prints, and have read numerous reports by independent, non-government institutions.
In my opinion, I am 99.99% certain that the fires weakened the steel, which led to the “pancake collapses”, which is a common type of collapse.

Had it not been for the long-burning fires, none of those buildings would have collapsed. The flaw in the design of those buildings was that they underestimated the effect of concrete and fire-resistant materials being knocked loose from the major steel beams, which exposed them to fire for hours, which cause one floor to collapse, and then trigger a classic “pancake collapse”. In my opinion, thee is credible evidence to explain everything.

Regarding the bits of planes after impact, there were bits all over the place. The Pentagon had some very strong pillars inside it, which helped to shred the plane that hit it. But there were large pieces of that plane (including engines) scattered all about.

Regarding the flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania, it struck the ground at a 40 degree angle, almost upside down, hitting right wing and nose first, at a speed of between 563-580 miles per hour. So, it’s understandable that there’s not much to re-assemble. However, there’s enough evidence to know the angle, position, and speed at impact.

IF I thought the government, or deep-state members in the government were responsible for using 9/1/2001 (i.e. using explosives to bring down 3 buildings), it would be at the top of my list.

In my opinion, the 4 planes crashed on 9/1/2001 were all part of an Al-Qaeda plot hatched by Usama Bin Laden.
The airports, Pentagon, FBI, CIA, FAA, and many other government were shamefully incompetent. Especially since there were numerous warnings about securing cock-pit doors on planes, and a handful of people who predicted what happened on 9/1/2001.
In December 1998, the CIA reported to Bill Clinton that Al-Qaeda was preparing for attacks in the U.S. that might include hijacking aircraft.
Massoud told the parliament that his intelligence agents had gained limited knowledge about a large-scale terrorist attack on U.S. soil being imminent. Massoud was assassinated by al-Qaeda two days before the 9/11 attacks on September 9, 2001.
On May 1, 2001, the CIA informed the White House that “a group presently in the United States” was in the process of planning a terrorist attack.
More…

Posted by: d.a.n at January 7, 2020 1:09 PM
Comment #452354

Sorry, not buying it.

Let’s ask the lady who stood in the entry hole, waving for someone to help her, lets ask her how hot the fires were burning. We can’t, can we. She’s dead. Was she burnt to death? No, she may as well have jumped because she fell, along with the building, at free fall speed, not one floor at a time, but a strait drop, non-stop, to the ground.

Diesel fuel burns at 700 degrees. It takes 2400 degrees to melt steel. Most of the fuel in the planes was dispelled outside the building. That was the big fireball that exited the other side of the building. It wasn’t burnt inside the building over a long period of time. The resulting fires were office furniture and interior furnishings.

Why wasn’t the planes reassembled as with every other plane crash? Why wasn’t there an effort to reassemble any of the planes?

There were studies done by private interests that examined the dust from the explosions and chemical residue from explosives was found. Rebar covered with explosive demolitions material could have been the explosives used to bring the building down. Planned obsolescence had explosive covered rebar to destroy concrete which created the tremendous dust clouds that covered the city and could be seen from space. Pancake floors dropping onto one another wouldn’t have pulverized that much concrete. Many of the metal beams recovered from the scene were at lengths that allowed them to be immediately loaded onto trucks and removed, placed on transport ships, and headed to China before any forensics were done on them.

Nothing about 9/11 is normal. Of course you won’t find any studies contradicting the official reports. Like I said, the destruction of the federal government would come immediately following the exposure of the deed. That’s a strong motivation for keeping the truth secret.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 3:32 PM
Comment #452355

Please explain why the owner of building 7 said he decided to “pull it”. That is a term used to describe the demolition of a building. Why would he say that before the building fell? Why would British News stories say the building fell 20 minutes before it happened, supposedly spontaneously?

People are told lies every day. We can choose to believe them, which is easier, or we can question them. Questioning the official story is much more difficult because you could eventually end up like Charley Sheen. Is he a drug addled sex addict, or is he a person who is being slandered because he attempted to tell a contradicting version of the event?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 3:41 PM
Comment #452356

Yikes…more conspiracy theories. I much prefer to read and write about today.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2020 5:06 PM
Comment #452357

OK. We’ve allowed the Democratic to impeach a sitting president for no other reason besides politics. It’s essentially a coup. We can refuse to believe that is happening. I suppose when Trump gets thrown out of office we can sit here and read and write about that too. Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 5:33 PM
Comment #452358

Please explain “We’ve allowed” Weary.

Who exactly is “WE”, and what was done or not done to “allow”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2020 5:36 PM
Comment #452359

Let’s pay stoic attention to our voting system. My county will have restructured our voting system in time for the next election. We can now vote at any time, a month beforehand, in any voting station in the county, of which those will be reduced from over 20 to 7. It’s making it easier to vote, they say.

So, when the Democratics steal this election, and many others in the future, we can say it’s impossible because the government says so and we will believe them. We’ll base that on a belief, the full faith, achieved by years of a working system. We’ll completely disregard the introduction of easily hackable hardware and software and easily changeable and destructable electronic data. The motor voter law only benefited and reinforced that full faith. It’s impossible for voter fraud to be a factor, right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 5:43 PM
Comment #452360

That question basically says We the People are not in charge. We have to sit and wait for our marching orders. We sit in front of our TV and allow the charade to go on for 3 years and have done nothing to stop it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 5:46 PM
Comment #452361

“So, when the Democratics steal this election, and many others in the future…”

Weary, I can’t accept your premise.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2020 5:49 PM
Comment #452362

Are you saying it’s never happened before?

Do you know what would shake up the entire political system? States removing the president from the ballot. They would be entirely allowed to do so because the electoral college elects the president. It would focus all attention on the representatives in the house, as it should be.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 6:01 PM
Comment #452363

Weary, I have no reason to believe that the coming presidential election will be stolen by Democrats.

As for states removing the president’s name from their ballots, I am not familiar with each state’s laws regarding elections. However, I do not believe any state would be that foolish.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2020 6:14 PM
Comment #452364

The constitution does not allow for the president to be elected by the people. That is the responsibility of the Electoral College. States removing the president from their ballot would wake people up. It could be a civics lesson with a dose of constitutional reality.

But, you’re right. This has been a lesson in grandiose, pie in the sky, mad hatter musing. Why not, right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 6:34 PM
Comment #452365

Muse away Weary…it’s fun.

I have been “musing” about Republicans retaking the HOR, keeping the senate and the president winning another term.

Would the Repubs actually get something done? They have squandered such opportunities in the past.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2020 6:39 PM
Comment #452368

But don’t you feel like you’re on the sidelines? Like you’re outside looking in the window?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2020 7:10 PM
Comment #452370

Weary,
QUESTION#1: So, how did the explosives get planted into the twin towers and WTC7 ?

The NIST report says debris from WTC 1 sparked fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at its southern and western faces. However, the fires on floors 7-9 and 11-13 burned out of control because the sprinklers failed when watermain supply lines were damaged when WTC 1 and 2 collapsed.

QUESTION#2: Do you believe the federal government would crash 4 planes, and demolish 3+ buildings for some political advantage, or some other advantage of some sort, or to make some kind of point about terrorism?

QUESTION#3: If the federal government was clever enough to perpetrate 911, they would have been clever enough to plant WMD in Iraq so that they didn’t look like fools and/or liars.

QUESTION#4: So, is there ZERO doubt in your mind that 911 was caused by terrorists who hijacked 4 planes?

QUESTION#5: There were phone calls from flight 93 before it crashed. Was that all a hoax too, since you stated there was no reconstruction of the pieces of the plane from the crash site?

QUESTION#6: There is video evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Something happened to the Pentagon.
Pieces of a plane were found all over the site. Are you claiming that explosives were used on the Pentagon instead of there actually being a plane crash ?

In my opinion (and I’ve read tons of the 911 conspiracy theories for years with an open mind, and many sound very convincing), the buildings were not demolished with explosives planted in advance, and 4 planes were indeed hijacked and crashed by Al-Qaeda terrorists on 9/1/2019.

On 11-SEP-2001, 19 illegal immigrants killed 2,996 people, and more than 6,000 others were injured. The immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon. The attacks were the deadliest terrorist act in world history, and the most devastating foreign attack on United States soil since the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. As of September 28, 2008, a total of over 33,000 police officers, firefighters, responders, and community members have been treated for injuries and sickness related to the 9/11 attacks in New York City, including respiratory conditions, mental health problems like PTSD and depression, gastrointestinal conditions, and at least 4,166 cases of cancer; according to one advocacy group “more cops have died of illness linked to the attack than had perished in it”. The 19 perpetrators of 11-SEP-2001 were illegal immigrants, 18 of the 19 terrorist hijackers on 11-SEP-2001 possessed state-issued and/or counterfeit driver’s licenses or ID cards and ALL 19 had obtained Social Security numbers. 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates(2), Egypt(1), and Lebanon(1). All 19 were affiliated with Al-Qaeda (a radical Sunni Muslim organization dedicated to the elimination of a Western presence in Arab countries and militantly opposed to Western foreign policy: founded by Osama Bin Laden in 1988).

Posted by: d.a.n at January 7, 2020 7:22 PM
Comment #452371

I do believe voter fraud is big, but in the other guys backyard, not mine.

I believe voter fraud occurs in NYC, Chicago, Richmond and similar, dim strongholds, yep, Florida.

And, I know Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and I believe that was because of voter fraud.

But, the GOP has taken some actions to prepare for 2020. The president is in court trying to get a bill passed that requires a citizenship question and maybe an ID approved for voting.

I’ve heard of some states going to paper ballot machines and If I were in state that did otherwise I would be protesting every day.

I know Ga has purged their voter roles of some 300k names and Ill has done the same.

Trump has made some progress in cutting back on immigration, stopping walk in’s at the border and other similar actions that should cut down on illegal voting.

I recently posted on WB about 3000 fake ID cards being confiscated coming in from China. Probably been going on for 20 years or more.

ICE threatening to deport DACA folks so that might scare some from voting illegally.

It’s a fatally serious matter for if Trump doesn’t win in 2020 the USA will go down the tubes. A GOP candidate will never be elected President again. Trump has six or eight more months to try and clean up fraudulent voting.

I hope they put resources in place to monitor and investigate.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 7, 2020 8:09 PM
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Here’s some evidence of fraudulent voting.

This report states that 81% of voter fraud convictions are by Democrats, and 19% are by Republicans (based on the Voter Fraud database [from year 1979 to 2018]).

A year-long investigation involving the Texas Department of Public Safety revealed that 95,000 non-citizens are registered to vote in Texas, and that 58,000 non-citizens voted in one or more elections in Texas between 1996 and 2018 (an average of 2,636 per year).

And this is WHY Democrats want to give drivers’ licenses to illegal immigrants (and automatically register them to vote at the same time), incentivize illegal immigration, don’t want a [x]citizenship question on the decennial census, make, etc., etc., etc.

But, that’s nothing new for Democrats, who have a long history of despicable deeds over the last 155+ years.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 7, 2020 8:33 PM
Comment #452386

Does anyone consider the motor voter law unconstitutional on the basis of being outside the realm of federal authority?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 10:22 AM
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Question 1: The buildings were built with demolitions explosives installed. They have been waiting for the planned destruction of the building, planned obsolescence.

Question 2: The Maine. Gulf of Tonkin,
https://youtu.be/IygchZRJVXM
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/42falseflags.php

Question 3: Not a question.

Question 4: There is no doubt it was planned by terrorists and the attack was taken advantage of. See question 2.

Question 5: See question 2.

Question 6: https://youtu.be/-6rpe8YZ9dI

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 10:37 AM
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WW, till this point you have seemed like a real rational person. This conspiracy theory on the buildings coming down puts you too far out on a limb …

I’m not technical and have no experience in construction. But, common sense tells one that weight and extreme heat can warp and bend metal drastically. At some point bolts will start popping and you get a cascade of same…

Common sense says that if you bring a tall building down with explosives to get it started you better have good insurance. Like, what if an explosive fails to detonate on one side and lets the building fall wishy washy and so on …

What about the hundreds of security people living and working in that building? Under there noses some group planned and implemented a detonation program to coincide with an airplane strike. Give it up Weary …

I can believe the CIA stole/captured/returned a soviet space capsule w/o the soviets finding out.

I can believe the US pulled a soviet sub from the depths, checked it out and put it back …

But, I can’t go with your conspiracy, WW, A stretch too far …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at January 8, 2020 1:29 PM
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Roy Ellis, as I watched the news reports that day, I saw the first building start to fall and I immediately thought, “That’s a controlled demolition!”. I thought it before the building finished it’s free fall into its own footprint. Coincidence? that a building can look and act like a controlled demolition to such an extent as to remind the common layperson of a building demolition, as it was happening? We can just chalk that up to coincidence, but then 20 minutes later the second building falls exactly the same way?

Exactly the same way! Coincidence? Did the planes hit each building the exact same way? How could the lady standing in the entrance hole even survive the “intense flames” that were “hot enough to warp steel”? How can a 700 degree flame warp steel to begin with? Heat isn’t accumulative.

You can choose to ignore facts that have been out in the open for almost 2 decades and pretend it’s rational. You can ignore facts by simply calling a normal person suddenly irrational. Remember, you are ignoring facts. I am presenting them. Who is being irrational?


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 3:48 PM
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Weary, that type of collapse is natural. It is called a “pancake collapse” and it has been witnessed during earthquakes.
The “pancake collapse” is easily brought about by using the weight of the upper floors of the structure to smash and collapse the lower floors.
During a demolition with explosives, you can see and hear the explosions.
Buildings don’t always collapse the same way.
In my opinion, there is more evidence and facts (and I read a LOT of it over the past 18 years) that supports a “pancake collapse” due to fires that weakened steel beams on one or more floors, than by pre-planted demolition explosives.
We are not ignoring any facts, which are ample on both sides of the argument.
I initially (momentarily) considered the same thing that you think happened.
However, the reports and evidence from both sides of the argument don’t favor a controlled collapse via explosives, and the collapses are easily explained by steel softened by huge fires, that burned for hours.

Of course, you are free to believe whatever you like about anything, and you have a history of being right (in my opinion) most of the time, so I will cut you some slack, and not resort to insults resembling the following:

Weary Willie wrote: If you can believe a plane “liquified” when it hit the Pentagon then you’ll believe you can keep your doctor.
Also, it is difficult to be 100% certain of many things, which is why I said I was 99.99% certain that the collapses were not the result of pre-planted explosives.
That is, it’s not a bad idea to try to keep an open mind. When I see enough convincing evidence that the WTC1, 2, and 7 were prewired with demolition explosives, then I might change my mind. It happens sometimes.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 8, 2020 7:12 PM
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The photos I saw from reliable sources showed a hole in an inner wall of the pentagon. The associated news story said the plane’s nose made that hole. When presented with the question, “Where is the plane’s nose?”, one report said the plane liquefied on impact. If you don’t believe that, then where’s the nose of the plane? Have you seen it? Is it in a huge hanger being examined? If not, where is it?

If you’re not asking that question you must think it liquefied, or you are intentionally avoiding the fact that whatever made that hole isn’t there and you no longer care.

Many people believe they can keep their own doctor. The entire nation, I guess, believes the plane that hit the pentagon liquefied on impact, because there is no debris to speak of that resembles anything from a plane that size in any photo I’ve seen.

so I will cut you some slack, and not resort to insults resembling the following:

So I guess now I’m hurting your feelings by presenting my point of view. Can we add that to being irrational and weird?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 7:47 PM
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I challenge you to find the blueprints for the buildings that fell that day. I challenge you to verify or not, if there was an explosive coating on the rebar used to build the concrete floors. It should be easy to find this information because it should be public record.

Let’s see if the rebar was coated with an explosive substance, shall we?

If you can provide proof it wasn’t, I will apologize. I won’t settle for speculation or opinion. If you can provide evidence the rebar used to construct the WTC wasn’t treated with explosives applied for the planned destruction in the future, I will state I was wrong.

I’ll bet you 5 cents you won’t find the original blueprints, or any information about this particular instance.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 8:00 PM
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Welcome to The World Trade Center!

Every floor is equipped with enough technology to easily replace itself when it’s become obsolete!

Enjoy it now, before it’s too late!

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 8:12 PM
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Did you guys notice that?

..easily replace itself when it’s become…

It’s is an abbreviation of it has..

.., before it’s too late!

This is an abbreviation of it is..

Isn’t that weird, irrational, perhaps insulting?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 8:27 PM
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Contractions Are Racist!

How dare they assume! We must destroy anyone who disagrees with us! If they don’t accept our terms we must build a gang and confront them. We should tell them they don’t belong! We must impeach 45!

I get it! Only strong convictions will apply!

Are you guys willing to accept this type of dialog as normal discourse?

You do that when you label people who present an alternative as irrational, weird, or insulting.


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 8:35 PM
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Weary, You’re not hurting my feelings, and I never said you were irrational or weird. Believe it not, if I feel anything, I truly feel a little sad.
I know how convincing all of the conspiracy theory web-sites sound, but all of them have been thoroughly debunked a long time ago.

Perhaps we need some Democrats to visit this site, so that we have someone to bicker with, besides ourselves? : )

Posted by: d.a.n at January 8, 2020 8:36 PM
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How fast did you find that information, d.a.n?

Isn’t it there for the taking? Hasn’t it been laid out for you to use in an occasion such as this?

C’mon, d.a.n

I’m willing to discus alternatives. You aren’t.

How are we going to provide an environment favorable toward discussion if we won’t consider entertaining a discussion we disagree with?

You want to invite a disagreeable element into our discussion because you refuse to discuss the subject!

Shouldn’t we first agree on something before we start inviting adversaries into the discussion?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 8:48 PM
Comment #452425
Weary Willie wrote: I’m willing to discus alternatives. You aren’t.
Not true.
I provide evidence and articles.
You provide contrarian evidence and articles.
That’s how it works.
Weary Willie wrote: You want to invite a disagreeable element into our discussion because you refuse to discuss the subject!
Not true. That was a joke (above, about inviting Democrats) . See the smiley face at the end of the sentence?
I have many dozens of links on 911.
I once considered the possibility of a conspiracy, but after reading the independent reports, and about the experiments, simulations, and testimony from 1st hand witnesses, I was 99.99% convinced that 911 was due to terrorists that hijacked and crashed 4 planes.
Posted by: d.a.n at January 8, 2020 8:57 PM
Comment #452426

You are going to be surprised when I say I agree with you. I agree that

911 was due to terrorists that hijacked and crashed 4 planes

So what? Do you discount everything I’ve said based on that?

Prove there were 4 planes. Just do that for me, d.a.n

Show me post 9/11 physical evidence of anything, even the steel that constructed the WTC.

Don’t try to shame me into discontinuing this discussion. Prove the assertions you made are true.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 9:31 PM
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Where was the gold stored?

Can you even answer that?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 9:36 PM
Comment #452428

Do you actually believe the entire gold reserves held in the WTC was converted into token monuments sold on on the internet and late night shopping malls?

Aren’t you embarrassed you fell for this crap?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 9:45 PM
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Haven’t any of you ever noticed how quick and easy it is for the media to convince you of something?

(snap)

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 9:50 PM
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Yes, I have fallen for some —MAIN STREAM MEDIA—>FAKE NEWS lies (e.g. WMD in Iraq).
But not anymore.
There has to be independent evidence, from multiple sources, and the evidence has to make sense.
There are many things that we can never know the truth 100%.
Also, I think most lies (the important lies) are eventually revealed, though it might be many years or decades before the truth comes out.
At any rate, I still believe, based on all of the evidence I’ve seen, I am 99.99% certain that 911 had nothing to do with a conspiracy that pre-planted explosives in the twin towers, or WTC7.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 8, 2020 10:07 PM
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If we didn’t place all our faith in our federal government this would not be an issue. It wouldn’t have even happened.

I realize this is a sensitive subject. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be discussed. Hidden sores fester.

How does calling me irrational and weird benefit any discussion?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 10:15 PM
Comment #452432

Word recognition only works if you recognize the word.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 10:30 PM
Comment #452433

https://youtu.be/2hNqmuTvbik?t=18

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 8, 2020 10:43 PM
Comment #452447
Weary Willie wrote: How does calling me irrational and weird benefit any discussion?
Weary Willie, I never wrote that you are weird or irrational anywhere, because I understand how the —MAIN STREAM MEDIA—>FAKE NEWS and other news sources can be very compelling, and deceiving.
It’s truly getting difficult for people to know what is true, or not.
Today, it requires a lot of research, cross-referencing, and skepticism to get to the truth.
And even after all of that, it’s difficult to be 100% certain of some things.
However, the 911 issue has been investigated for years and debated for 18 years, and what is noticable about the conspiracy theories is that they lack evidence, and each and every conspiracy-theory argument has a credible scientific rebuttal explanation, and many are backed up by experimental tests, simulations, and research.
Again, I’m not making fun of you, or calling you irrational, or weird.
I simply disagree, and we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I don’t mind at all debating the issue, because the evidence that debunks the conspiracy theories is not only abundant, but the sources are more credible.

Lastly, I believe that the real truth about things almost always comes out (eventually), though it can take many years. Governments are incapable of keeping secrets 99% of the time. Based on the abundance of evidence, I don’t think there were explosives planted in the WTC buildings (which would be a huge undertaking that would be nearly impossible to keep a secret), nor do I believe the other conspiracy theories about the Pentagon, or flight 93. There is a credible rebuttal for every one of the numerous conspiracy theories.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 9, 2020 9:41 AM
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