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The Jeffery Epstein Whodunnit

In Google news yesterday that two male penquins have adopted an egg and ALL are waiting to see what will happen.

At the same time, it's been quiet today re the Jeffery Epstein conspiracy investigation. I've not folowed it too close but, like most, am curious about the cause of death.

I've read that he tried to commit suicide about two weeks ago, I believe he was on suicide watch at that time. Found on the floor with visible neck injuries. Don't know how he tried to kill himself. Have heard that bedsheets are of paper in suicide watch cells. Don't know about camera footage.

Then, a week later he was removed from suicide watch and put in a cell for special situations. He had a cellmate, which is required for these particular cells, but that person was removed at some point in time. Two guards were supposed to check on him every half an hour but supposedly were asleep for a three hour period prior to the suicide. Again, no information as to camera footage.

The two guards and warden are suspended, on leave, pending investigation.
I don't want to take sides on the conspiracy thing. I would just say that, at the least, it could be an 'assisted suicide'. Like with so many other issues we will just have to wait for the slooooo wheels of justice to turn.

And, 24 hours later they are saying there are some broken neck bones that are more similar to that of strangulation. And, that he hung himself with a bed sheet tied to the upper bunk. And, nothing yet on what the two guards were doing at the time.

I'm not big on the idea of a person jumping off the top bunk and getting a good hang like this. . .

Hard for a six foot person to tie the bedpost close to their neck and leap out into space. There would have to be at least 3 feet of slack to try that, IMO. Any more than three feet the persons feet would hit the floor breaking the fall somewhat. Now, maybe the bed post are 12 foot tall, dunno.

So, the idea of an assisted suicide has lost some ground to the idea of conspiracy. . . IMO.

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 15, 2019 4:29 PM
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Comment #447322

What time of day did this happen? Would the guards have been asleep on day shift or early evening shift? Show me the pics …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 15, 2019 4:46 PM
Comment #447325

I read a report from somewhere that the cameras were not functional at the time. I heard it once. No mention of cameras since except for one talking head wishing he could see the footage.

I’m not saying I’m an expert in these things, but my experience with the inside of a jail cell is a solid cement slab to sleep on, or a flat metal sheet framed with angle iron welded to the wall in the case of bunks. Hard to tie off a paper towel to a corner and have it hold when 200 lbs is flailing around on it. I’ve never seen a bunk taller than I and I’m over 6 ft. The highest I’ve seen comes to my shoulder.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 15, 2019 6:24 PM
Comment #447326

Keep in mind, I’m not an expert.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 15, 2019 6:26 PM
Comment #447327

I think the Democrats are saying Epstein’s death is Trump’s fault.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 15, 2019 8:44 PM
Comment #447359

https://youtu.be/zwaH6AFFc7M?t=7923

Changing the subject, but I think you’ll like it.

I want to call this guy every week on this subject.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 16, 2019 11:29 PM
Comment #447378

Casey Hendriskson is yet another fearmonger, who is fear mongering about Article V (again), despite the protections (that is, it requires 3/4 of the states to ratify any amendment changes to the U.S. Constitution, which is a high hurdle).

Casey Hendriskson is fearmongering about Article V getting out of control, which is nonsense.

It appears that Casey Hendrickson has already been affected by the Birch Society, who also fearmongers about Article V all the time.

Casey Hendriskson’s fearmongering is not helping to support Article V of the U.S. Constitution.
Casey Hendriskson’s rhetoric is fearmongering that is helping to defeat the U.S. Constitution.

49 of 50 States (more than the 2/3 of the states required) have ALREADY “PASSED” (not merely submitted) hundreds of applications for an Article V convention (see: https://FOAVC.ORG ).

There is nothing in Article V about a same-subject requirement, or applications having to be contemporaneous.

Article V of the U.S. Constitution: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 17, 2019 9:10 AM
Comment #447387

He seems to be stuck on saying it’s possible that the only thing to come out of a convention of states is the repeal of the U.S. Constitution. Even then it would have to be ratified by the states. He seems to gloss that part over with the fear mongering.

I wish I was more prepared for the conversation, but I think I got my foot in the door of someone who may eventually listen.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 17, 2019 2:03 PM
Comment #447411

His expressed fear of what ‘might happen’ if V - II were implemented is that of most people when they first become aware of the article.

But, if folks will just take the time to thoroughly read V-II and review some information around it they will come to understand that there is no ‘runaway convention’ or similar that could happen.

The paras below is an edited version of V - II in an attempt to clarify its meaning/intent …

Congress shall - - - on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, call a convention for proposing Amendments, which shall, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution,

Or, by Conventions in three fourths of the states, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress - - -

Another version; on the application of the legislatures of 2/3rds of the states, congress may deem it necessary to call a convention for the proposal for amendments which will then have to be ratified by three fourths of the states legislatures to amend the Constitution.

Or,by Conventions in three fourths of the states - - -

as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;

The Constitution provides for 4 paths for an amendment:

Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)

Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)

Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once, 21st amend)

Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (commonly used)


The numbers involved preclude any proposals achieving amendment that would do anything more than go toward achieving the intent/meaning of the amendment.

Rather than venture toward socialism or suffer the pangs of globalism, why not move the country forward with some well thought out and designed proposals to amend the Constitution, as required by the Constitution ??????

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 18, 2019 7:35 PM
Comment #447413

I’m all for that, Roy Ellis! However, I don’t think we should be doing make work with amendments like a balanced budget or term limits. That is our responsibility as citizens and legislators. It shouldn’t be taken out of our hands by hard wiring it into a constitutional amendment. The only way it would pass would be if it was watered down to where it would be useless.

I would call a convention to repeal the 17th amendment and go from there. Use the procedure to educate the people as to what will happen and make sure propaganda doesn’t enter into the mix.

How? By being diligent and relentless where fake news comes in. Debunk any falsehoods immediately and thoroughly. We don’t have a media that will do that now, but it is possible. No one trusts the mainstream media these days.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 18, 2019 8:25 PM
Comment #447443
Weary Willie wrote: Debunk any falsehoods immediately and thoroughly. We don’t have a media that will do that now, but it is possible.
Right. Most of the —Main Stream Media—> FAKE NEWS MEDIA does more harm than good (working with the deep state).

There’s probably no need to be too worried about specific amendments (i.e. term limits, balanced budget, campaign finance, etc.), since it requires 3/4 of the states to ratify any amendment, which is a high hurdle. However, term-limits and the balanced budget are some of the most common Article V applications, and 49 of all 50 states have already submitted and passed Article V applications. Congress has ignored them for decades, because they fear term-limits, and other controls that may curb their methods of self-gain.

One of the most common types of Article V applications is simply a General call for an Article V Convention (i.e. in which no specific amendments were stated).

Posted by: d.a.n at August 19, 2019 4:55 PM
Comment #447445

May be wrong but, if an amendment was achieved using article V-II and it proved to be bad for the country could not the house/senate standard process be used to repeal such an amendment? If it were a pretty bad amendment why would anyone oppose repealing it?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 19, 2019 8:29 PM
Comment #447461

Yes, as happened with the 18th amendment (Prohibition on alcohol), which was repealed by the 21st amendment in 1933.

Posted by: d.a.n at August 20, 2019 8:32 AM
Comment #447587

Just completed my second interview with Casey Hendrickson about Article V. I’ll get a link to the audio when he posts it tonight.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 23, 2019 4:20 PM
Comment #447592

https://youtu.be/sujI-3974Mw?t=7559

The audio sucks on this one.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 23, 2019 10:23 PM
Comment #447611

He seems to be against it because he doesn’t know much about it … a sort of lacsidasical response, imo.

Maybe give him another shot and cite a couple of websites. Maybe he can’t find his way thru the fake news.

He did say if enough (2/3rds I guess) states passed the measure he would go along with it but, a milk toast response.

If Mark Levin or a FOX news commentator took up the cause that would get some action.

Maybe d.a.n. should write up a couple of hundred words, put it on FB and we could share it around. Maybe put it up weekly for six months or so. Any interest ??

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 24, 2019 2:55 PM
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