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Does 'The Handmaid's Tale' Have it Backwards?

The Sixth Circuit has ruled that Ohio’s law that blocks funding to organizations that perform or promote “non-therapeutic” abortions “does not violate the Constitution because the affiliates do not have a due process right to perform abortions.”

While this is a modest setback for the abortion forces in America, this particular phrase by Judge Jeffrey Sutton who wrote the majority opinion clearly marks out what Planned Parenthood desperately wants to claim as their unequivocal, constitutional right.

The right to perform abortions under almost any condition.

While the language of abortion has been cloaked with the mantle of women's health and women's reproductive rights, the real right at stake in this legal case is the right to promote and perform. The stance that it is a woman's right and only a woman's right to choose, is merely the basis for a more sweeping legal system they clearly are seeking.

First-wave feminists tended to be blunter and more direct about abortion, in decades past at least, stating that to be freed from the shackles of raising children they needed safe and legal abortions. This was in order to free themselves to make career choices rather than be forced to be an unwilling caregiver by an unexpected pregnancy. Ruthlessly pragmatic in their quest for liberation seems to be how they saw themselves.

The admission of ruthlessness is now considered an atavistic relic. It's all about health and reproductive rights, as if the two were never in conflict but rather formed a seamless whole that celebrates the choices made rather than accepting them as being, in fact, a choice. A very hard choice to make.

In other words, it has even ceased being seen as a choice for a number of years now. It's a process rather. One in which a woman, by definition, can never make a mistake. Whatever she chooses. And if there is any doubt about whether to have the child, then the choice is clear and affiliates like Planned Parenthood will be there to promote and perform the only choice a woman should make. If there is any doubt or disease or imperfection or whatever the reason may be. Like worries about anthropomorphic climate change if, for example, you're part of Birthstrike and you become pregnant.

But then the next step if abortion activists had their way, would be one that citizens of China are all too familiar with. The right to abortion will be taken from mere affiliates like Planned Parenthood and brought directly under the control of the state to become instead a duty. Planned Parenthood will become a government agency, and a dictate of state policy, limiting birthrates to 1 per family or perhaps to 1 in 10 families, the rest being prohibited unless they build up their social credit with the state by paying a personal carbon tax rate that's double what their income group has to normally pay.

So, perhaps Margaret Atwood's dystopian vision in "The Handmaid's Tale" has it backwards. The real dystopia will be a post-modern feminist and misanthropic ecologist's world in which the virus we humans are seen to be by our very selves - a narcissistic agony if there ever was one - will be slowly but irrevocably eradicated until becoming pregnant devolves into the purview of the remaining rich with surrogates performing the dirty work of pregnancy and men reduced to anxious observants in the shadows on the sidelines, hoping they may be lucky enough some day to be a father in a shrinking world.

That is, if the SPPA (State Parent Planning Agency) wills it so. All praise be to them.

Posted by AllardK at March 13, 2019 1:56 PM
Comments
Comment #439719

Lock him up!

The campaign manager for Trump will be going to jail for 7.5 years. Manafort’s lawyer immediately declared “no collusion” in front of the courthouse, despite the judge specifically stating that this trial did not make any conclusions one way or another about the SCO investigation. Waving a big semaphore flag and essentially yelling ‘pardon, please!’ won’t help. Manafort was a tough character, a guy who lobbied on behalf of some of the worst dictators of the past decades including Mobutu and Savimbi, and he made it clear he did not give up Trump. Won’t help him.

Within minutes of the verdict, the state of NY announced Manafort will be prosecuted for 16 felonies. Trump can’t save Manafort because pardons do not apply to state cases.

Lock him up!

We’ll find out more about other Trump cronies later this week. Trump’s deputy campaign manager, Gates, will be updated on his status about the felonies he pleaded guilty to, Roger Stone will be tried in May, and traitor Mike Flynn will also be updated.

Tough day for crooks and traitors!

Lock them up!

Posted by: phx8 at March 13, 2019 2:24 PM
Comment #439720

Ready for the Finale Rack?

Posted by: phx8 at March 13, 2019 2:24 PM
Comment #439721

How does your comment relate to the article you’ve posted under, phx8?

Comments are expected to remain on the topic of the published article.

Read the Rules For Participation again, phx8.


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2019 2:57 PM
Comment #439722

WW,
This is supposed to be a political web site, but conservatives seem unwilling to post anything whatsoever about the biggest issue of our time. You guys won’t even mention the ‘T’ word. But we saw the Russians interfere with an election, and the Trump campaign welcomed the interference of an enemy in order to win. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, and no number of idiotic articles by someone who obviously knows NOTHING about “The Handmaid’s Tale” or Margaret Atwood will distract from the most important issue we face. (By the way, “Oryx and Crake” is also a very good book by her, and I would highly recommend it).

No amount of distraction will save you from what you and other Trump supporters have tried to do to this country. You own it. You always will.

Lock them up!

Posted by: phx8 at March 13, 2019 3:11 PM
Comment #439723
open-borders phx8 wrote: Tough day for crooks and traitors!
For some perhaps, but not all (these crooks and liars have been spared so far).
AllardK wrote: The right to abortion will be taken from mere affiliates like Planned Parenthood and brought directly under the control of the state to become instead a duty.
Although 76% of Chinese people said that they supported the one-child policy (from 1979-to-2015) in a 2008 survey, it was controversial outside of China. After 2015, the Chinese national birth planning policy became a universal two-child policy that allowed each couple to have two children. There was a two-child policy for ten years prior to 1979. Despite the one-child policy, 50% of parents still had two children.

The pie is only so big, and overpopulation worsens numerous environmental and social factors such as pollution, malnutrition, overcrowded living conditions, and lacking health care which makes poor communities vulnerable to infectious diseases. Diseases such as tuberculosis, malaria, HIV, and dysentery spread faster in overpopulated areas.

Legislating morals and reproduction limits is not easy, but abortion is a sad substitute for contraception.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 13, 2019 3:14 PM
Comment #439726

I knew the moment my son was conceived. I maintain I knew the moment my son was conceived. I still believe it was that moment, because she actually became pregnant and gave me a son.

If she had not I would have discounted the thought without discussing it with anyone.

If my wife would have aborted my son and not told anyone, I would have discounted the thought none the less.

If the act of abortion is kept between the doctor/patient confidences, how can it be right or wrong? It becomes wrong when the confidence is breached and a third person is invited into the discussion. If you need a third person involved in this decision it becomes a discussion. If the father is forced to participate he should also have a veto.

Abortion should be described as a perfect example of what you don’t know won’t hurt you.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2019 3:34 PM
Comment #439728

These parents are morally sick. They should be charged with child abuse.

Inside The Online Community Facilitating The Gender Transitions Of 5-Year-Olds

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/13/facebook-tumblr-groups-children-gender-transition-prosthetics/

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 13, 2019 3:39 PM
Comment #439730

Royal Flush, you have a habit of straying from the topic also.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2019 3:51 PM
Comment #439731

Why don’t any of you post articles? Have you asked for Editor’s privileges yet? I’m sure you can post as many articles as you want about any subject you want.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2019 3:53 PM
Comment #439733

Nope the handmaidens tale doesn’t have it backwards. Backwards is reserved for big government conservatives along with Catholics and Evangelicals that are afraid immigrants will populate the country.

What we know for sure is when the founding fathers were writing the Constitution “returning to menses” was just another of those inalienable rights we had as Americans.

The revisionist ramblings of AllardK are just a lame attempt to keep the Trump chumps in line for the upcoming election. Hauling out the three G’s, why we might as well set our watches by it.

Why won’t the right wingers address the real issues facing the country. Our elections are hacked by foreign interests to the point we don’t know who the president works for. Our Social Security and Heath insurance systems are under attack by the billionaires. We are undermining other sovereign nations, Venezuela, as the corporate sponsors of our Congress demand access to more natural resources.

Our debt is rising by a trillion dollars a whack as we cut corporate taxes to the point corporations pay no taxes and even get billions in refunds! If the free market works so well why on earth do we need to subsidize these multi national corporations?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 13, 2019 7:22 PM
Comment #439735

The author is having trouble getting his meds to the correct levels, and spouts a combination of blarney and whatever he has gleaned from reich wing sites he visits in order to write these silly articles. There’s also a new emphasis on the pro-rape movement that calls itself something else and opposition to “ecology”? WTF is that about?

Again, why the need for three columns of nonsense? Give it up. We’re entering into an era of chaos, where governments have been undermined by “theoreticians” working for globalists who have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. Napoleon once said “we have a dozen or fifteen metaphysicians who ought to be thrown into a pond”. We’ve got the theoreticians, and the ponds. Sounds like a perfect match to me.


Getting Mcabe’s book from the library tomorrow. He’s a Rublican who voted for Romney, McCain, and every other one of them going back for decades. Then a russian puppet got elected to the highest office, and he became an enemy for investigating russian organized crime. Up is Down!

Posted by: ohrealy at March 13, 2019 8:01 PM
Comment #439736
j2t2 wrote: Our elections are hacked by foreign interests to the point we don’t know who the president works for.
Nonsense. There’s no proof any votes were changed by any foreign entity. There’s ample proof that tens of thousands of illegal immigrants have voted in U.S. elections, but Democrats don’t care about that, and deny the evidence exists.
Democrats hypocritically ignore all of this corruption and lies.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 13, 2019 8:11 PM
Comment #439737
Ed O’hrealy wrote: Then a russian puppet got elected to the highest office,…”
Ed O’hrealy, j2t2, and phx8 have been watching too much fake news on MSNBC and being brainwashed by Rachel Madcow’s crazy conspiracy theories.
So, it’s been 28 months since the 08-NOV-2016 election, and there’s still not a shred of evidence yet of any Russian collusion.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 13, 2019 8:35 PM
Comment #439758

“In other words, it has even ceased being seen as a choice for a number of years now.”

It was never about choice. The American people were not embracing a medical procedure that killed babies so, the pro-abortion lobby created a false narrative about supposed ‘choice’ that ignored the baby in order to make the woman the only part of the equation.
This is why abortion debates today consists of nothing but leftists dishonestly claiming anti-abortion folks just want to control women, and screaming hysterically about being pro-choice while they demand the stripping of choice from others.

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2019 8:26 AM
Comment #439759

Phx8 and J2,

All that we know is that a foreign country ran some Facebook ads and that some personal emails were hacked into and released. Votes weren’t changed, tallies weren’t altered. The election was not hacked.
Biggest issue of our time? Not even close.

The results of the investigation are not yet known. There isn’t any actual proof of collusion or of the President working for the leader of another country.
Any claims of treason are nothing but partisan driven speculation that are divisive and very harmful to the country.

Now that we have gotten the facts out of the way, I would love to know what this latest talking-point of what “Trump supporters have tried to do to this country” is all about.

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2019 9:28 AM
Comment #439760
kctim wrote: Any claims of treason are nothing but partisan driven speculation …
More like brainwashing, from watching too much FAKE NEWS on MSNBC and CNN.
kctim wrote: Any claims of treason are nothing but partisan driven speculation that are divisive and very harmful to the country.
j2t2, open-borders-phx8, and Ed O’hrealy could care less about harm to the country.
Anyone who cares about the nation would not do all of T H I S, or defend T H I S.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 14, 2019 9:36 AM
Comment #439761

Or T H I S

Posted by: d.a.n at March 14, 2019 9:38 AM
Comment #439762
This is supposed to be a political web site, but conservatives seem unwilling to post anything whatsoever about the biggest issue of our time.

The issues you’re concerned with are in your head, phx8. It’s clear you care nothing for rules. All you’re concerned with are your vicious attacks. All you’re concerned with is why people couldn’t care less about your TDS.

For more than 2 years you’ve been harping about the “T” word, and you have nothing to show for it. Get a clue! Your arguments are nothing but a bag of wind. Show us the proof, phx8.

Even Pelosi has backtracked on impeaching Trump. It’s a lost cause. Give it up already. You’re starting to sound like the unwashed pedestrian with a “The End Is Near!” sign board irritating everyone with your unfounded propaganda and wishful thinking.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 10:11 AM
Comment #439763
There’s ample proof that tens of thousands of illegal immigrants have voted in U.S. elections, but Democrats don’t care about that, and deny the evidence exists.

Speaking of nonsense. At least you have lowered the numbers for this Big Lie D.. Wasn’t that long ago Trump was claiming millions! Of course you have no proof, you have the Texas voter suppression idiots making false claims….right?

The election was not hacked. Biggest issue of our time? Not even close.

What we know kctim is Trump entertained Putin in the oval office alone. Why do that unless you owe a big debt to the Russian dictator. Putin owns Trump make no mistake. Like Weary says where there is smoke….

Weary, while Pelosi has backtracked I haven’t. I have remained steadfast in my opinion that, while a dastardly thing to do, we as a nation would be better off with Trump in office the full 4 years. I always thought the American people would wise up to the fact that Trump is a liar not a nationalist populist. He has proved that.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 14, 2019 10:58 AM
Comment #439767

The only thing that’s been proven is the left will believe anything if it is portrays Trump in a bad light.

You guys support killing babies! How can we take you seriously?

I have no idea how a fictitious prostitute urinating on a bed Obama slept in adds up to an impeachable offense. Only in your minds does this stuff manifest into an issue. Only in the minds of insane Democratics could an uneventful meeting between two groups of people could be construed to be treason. What happened to that first amendment you’re all so proud of?

The left is expert in twisting narratives to fit your mindset. There is no way Trump admitted to sexual assault on that bus. You guys make it appear Trump got out of that bus and knocked the female reporter to the ground and ripped her panties off getting at her genitalia. It’s all in your head.

You guys went berserk with claims the world was going to end when Trump got elected. It’s all in your head. The stock market didn’t crash, like phx8 claimed it would. The world didn’t go to war. People aren’t dying in the streets for lack of healthcare.

All of that is in your head! You’ve been regurgitating it for years and you believe it! What a display of mental breaks we’ve been witnessing! Screaming at the sky! Attacking a piece of clothing! Outright lying about children attacking Indians and maligning groups as racists and Nazis!

People who ask themselves and others if they are insane usually aren’t. It’s the people who insist they are right and the world is wrong who are insane. The left is proving there is such a thing called mass hysteria. It’s been an obvious display of mass hysteria since Trump started his campaign, or at least since he eliminated all the people Hillbilly could have won against. The only reason Democratics want to keep the oceans from rising is because they are drowning in their own obsession.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 12:04 PM
Comment #439769

J2,

What date did President Trump ‘entertain’ Putin alone in the Oval Office?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_presidential_trips_made_by_Vladimir_Putin

Not saying you are wrong, just wanting some context.

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2019 12:13 PM
Comment #439770

J2,

Why do US Presidents have private meetings with the leaders of other nations?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-putin-have-private-chat-at-g-20-summit-turkey/

Why would a US President play the diplomacy game with other superpowers?

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/realitycheck/the-press-office/remarks-president-obama-and-prime-minister-putin-russia-meeting

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2019 12:17 PM
Comment #439771
The only thing that’s been proven is the left will believe anything if it is portrays Trump in a bad light.

Weary I see Trump for what he is, he gives us so many opportunities to do so. The problem is you guys have partisan blinders on and can only see him for what you want him to be.

You guys support killing babies! How can we take you seriously?

And you guys on the right support using babies for your own s*xual gratification Weary. Why should we take you seriously?


This is what I was thinking of kctim.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 14, 2019 12:59 PM
Comment #439772

You best be backing up that inflamatory rhetoric with some facts, j2t2. Lying isn’t a compelling argument. Who has been using babies as you say? Let’s see some proof of what you’re saying, j2t2.

What is Trump, j2t2? Spell it out for me. Give me one thing you believe Trump “is”. Not the fabrication, the fact.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 1:02 PM
Comment #439774

Unbelievable! j2t2 believes Comey deserves a time of mourning before Trump can do the nation’s business. Ha! Such hubris.

j2t2’s link is another example of how the left will make something up to fit their narrative.

Trump fires Comey.
Trump entertains Russian Foreign Minister.
The left jumps to the conclusion Putin told Trump to fire Comey.

How does one come to conclusions like that without appearing to be grasping at straws?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 1:09 PM
Comment #439782

So J2, what we actually know is that Trump did not actually entertain Putin in the oval office alone. You only stated that for dramatic effect or something.

And since Putin wasn’t actually there, you are assuming that he sent a lackey to give marching orders to the President of the most powerful nation on earth.

Read that a couple times, let it set in some, and let us know why that makes any sense at all.

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2019 2:33 PM
Comment #439784
j2t2 wrote: And you guys on the right support using babies for your own s*xual gratification…
HHMMmmmmm … just when you think j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy cannot sink any lower, eh?

But, should anyone be surprised, when j2t2, open-borders-phx8, and Ed O’hrealy write nasty, vulgar, racist, hateful comments like these ?
It’s not easy to get much lower than that.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 14, 2019 3:15 PM
Comment #439785

It’s that projection thing.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 3:25 PM
Comment #439786

Wow you guys get up in arms after a comment as grounded in reality as those you post! Seems you forgot all about Trump/Epstein and the rape of a 13 year old girl back in the 90’s. Did it have any truth to it? Well at least as much truth as the comment “You guys support killing babies! How can we take you seriously?”.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 14, 2019 3:27 PM
Comment #439787
j2t2 ignorantly wrote: Of course you have no proof, ….
Not that j2t2 actually cares, but here’s ample proof of non-citizens voting in U.S. elections. And a year-long investigation (2018-to-2019) involving the Texas Department of Public Safety revealed that 95,000 non-citizens are registered to vote in Texas, and that 58,000 non-citizens voted in one or more elections in Texas (from 1996 to 2018; an average of 2,636 votes per year; probably not enough to change an election, except for very close elections).
j2t2 ignorantly wrote: Of course you have no proof, you have the Texas voter suppression idiots making false claims….right?
Here’s what j2t2 (and similar ilk) considers “voter suppression”:And j2t2 (and similar ilk) considers the following to be voter suppression:
  • (1) must show some form of ID (to prove eligibility to vote, and to prevent voting more than once);
  • (2) must be alive (i.e. not deceased);
  • (3) must not vote more than once per election;
  • (4) must be a U.S. Citizen
And Stacey Abrams (who gave the Democrat response to the SOTU in FEB-2019) stated in a PBS interview on 11-JAN-2019 that she “would not oppose” allowing non-citizens to vote in elections, and that she is also open to minors voting too. Source: freebeacon.com/politics/stacey-abrams-wouldnt-oppose-non-citizens-minors-voting-in-local-elections/

Many thanks to j2t2, open-borders-phx8, and Ed O’hrealy for being the gifts that keep on giving! Keep up the good work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 14, 2019 3:36 PM
Comment #439788

passed with a 38-28 vote and thunderous applause in the state Senate chamber. The bill codifies federal abortion rights guaranteed under the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision and removes abortion from the state’s criminal code.

The Reproductive Health Act removes abortion from the penal code, and further notes in part that: “Every individual has the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraception or sterilization. Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion, pursuant to this article.”

As the debate over the bill was underway Tuesday, supporters chanted, “Free abortion on demand, can we do it, yes we can.”

This is proof the Democratics support killing babies.

Are you saying this is fake news?

Where’s your proof Trump is a pedophile? Dismissed and dropped civil suits don’t make a person a rapist, except in a demented mind that is stuck on stupid.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 3:46 PM
Comment #439789

Please D., The Texas Voter Suppression idiots are copying the same thing other conservative majority states have done. A whole lot of smoke and no fire. Your numbers are BS, just wait and see. Not only that, they are not proof. They are fiction used to allow propagandist to cover for the voter suppression laws conservatives have enacted and have tried to enact over the past decade.

This is proof the Democratics support killing babies.

Weary that’s not proof of anything. That is a false narrative. A campaign motto used by those to afraid to run on the real issues of today.

Trump had a lawsuit filed against him for raping an underage girl who later retracted it due to death threats. Much more substantial than some chant you claim is proof someone supports killing babies.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 14, 2019 4:28 PM
Comment #439790

J2, have you ever noticed that almost all of your comments are based on the dismissal of facts that do not support your opinions and conspiracy theories?

What’s happened to you guys?

Posted by: kctim at March 14, 2019 4:54 PM
Comment #439792

Wrong. The so-called victim, or gold digger, it remains to be seen, had her first case dismissed. Her second case she withdrew from. Her third case she is representing herself. Either every lawyer in the country have been receiving death threats or she has lost credibility and no one will represent her. It all depends, j2t2, because that is as much speculation as is your claim Trump raped anyone. You could be sued for slander for making that remark, j2t2.

I don’t understand where you’re coming from, j2t2. A Democratic majority in both houses voted for, and a Democratic Governor signed, a bill that would allow a failed abortion to be “made comfortable” and allowed to die, and you say they don’t support it.

How do you expect anyone to believe that?

You and phx8 continue to say the same thing over and over. It’s a chant. You don’t believe what you say, over and over again?

d.a.n, no wonder it comes so easy to him. He probably has a big black ball filled with water and cute quips handy. All he does is shake it and submit a comment with what comes up in the window.

Nazis had a program of destroying infants, children, and adults who didn’t meet their standards. Is that the real objective, j2t2? What you say is just a campaign slogan to cover the real motive, right? Eugenics?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 5:00 PM
Comment #439793

Wow…unbelievable comments. The outrageous use of fiction by our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist Pals is simply underwhelming.

We have noticed that these people no longer even attempt to link to facts. Their collective IQ has finally reached room temperature.

What a relief that Robert Francis (Beto) O’Rourke has officially entered the race for the Democrat nomination for president. I feared that he might exercise good sense and stay out of the fray which will only prove to the electorate that the party has gone Socialist. (Beto) (Roberto) will siphon money away from some of the more moderate among the challengers. That’s good.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 14, 2019 5:33 PM
Comment #439795
Royal Flush wrote: We have noticed that these people [j2t2, phx8, ohrealy] no longer even attempt to link to facts. Their collective IQ has finally reached room temperature.
Ha! When did j2t2, phx8, and ohrealy ever debate with facts?
And, it is a VERY cold room temperature too.
j2t2, phx8, and ohrealy aren’t interested in facts, civility, and don’t care at all about the nation. They just want free stuff, and to spew their usual nasty, vulgar, racist hateful comments. It makes them feel good.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 14, 2019 6:05 PM
Comment #439796

These are the most common responses in the left’s Magic 8 Ball.

Q: What don’t you like about Trump?
A: Everything.

Q: Is there anything you can give him credit for?
A: Are you serious?

Q: What has Trump done wrong?
A: Everything

Q: Can you be more specific?
A: Are you serious?

Q: Why is Trump a racist?
A: (dumb look)

https://youtu.be/XYviM5xevC8?t=28

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 6:06 PM
Comment #439797
J2, have you ever noticed that almost all of your comments are based on the dismissal of facts that do not support your opinions and conspiracy theories?

Yeah for years kctim. You would think you guys would get real at some point in time. Trying to have intelligent conversations with the conservative propaganda machine is tiring when it is myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies all the time.

It seems you may be confused about what a fact is yourself. Using the Texas voter suppression idiots as fact is wrong. It is an instant replay of Ohio , NC, and other states, a combination of intentional deception and lies. Using the “supports killing babies” meme is not a fact. Trying to prove it is because someone says something at a protest or whatever doesn’t make it a fact.

Another example of tiring would be your use of “conspiracy theory” because I say something about Trump. You do this not because I have said something about a conspiracy theory but because you like to downplay the truth of my comment by using this lame excuse to deflect and divert.

What’s happened to you guys?

I would ask the same. You have circled the wagons around a man who simply cannot tell the truth. Even a simple slip of the tongue results in two lies or more from Trump. No… I said “Tim Cook Apple”. Then it was fake news! Over nothing yet two lies. Why should anyone believes anything he says? I think the question you should be asking is what happened to you guys.

I mean just think if Obama did just a piece of what Trump has down with the Russians. Based upon the reaction by right wingers to the approval by Clinton as SoS on a uranium deal it would be worthy of impeachment, but because Trump is owned by Putin it is denied by your team. It is a conspiracy theory or fake news. Yeah the real question is what happened to you guys.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 14, 2019 6:15 PM
Comment #439798

https://youtu.be/n8y_oI2t2ys?t=344

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2019 6:23 PM
Comment #439799
Weary Willie wrote: d.a.n, no wonder it comes so easy to him [j2t2]. He probably has a big black ball filled with water and cute quips handy. All he does is shake it and submit a comment with what comes up in the window.
Not sure it is a big black que ball; it is most likely a large, dark cavity like this, like blinders. Sort of like an Ostrich.
j2t2, phx8, and ohrealy aren’t interested in facts (not one bit), or civility, and they don’t care one bit about the nation, because they just want free stuff, and want to spew their usual nasty, vulgar, racist, hateful, shocking comments. It makes them feel good. You can’t fix stupid.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 14, 2019 6:23 PM
Comment #439800

“…but because Trump is owned by Putin it is denied by your team.”

I was spoofing earlier about the low IQ of our Liberal Pals. And now, j2t2 prints proof of what I was spoofing.

Examine his comment.

j2t2 denies he supports killing babies. Will he condemn those who do?

j2t2 denies he believes President Trump conspired with the Russians. Will he make a simple statement to that effect?

Perhaps we have to blame ourselves for misunderstanding j2t2. Yeah…sure…and the sun will rise in the West tomorrow and Nancy Pelosi will stop using a paint brush to apply her face makeup.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 14, 2019 6:35 PM
Comment #439801
Nazis had a program of destroying infants, children, and adults who didn’t meet their standards. Is that the real objective, j2t2? What you say is just a campaign slogan to cover the real motive, right? Eugenics?

Nazis and other right wing groups have done a lot of terrible things in the name of nationalism Weary. They also had a propaganda machine second to only the conservative propaganda machine of today. Seems to me it is the right wing that would prefer to get rid of those that don’t meet their standard, not the left wing. Of course you would not call it Eugenics today, you would claim an emergency at the border or let them die in the streets.

j2t2 denies he supports killing babies. Will he condemn those who do?

Not only will I condemn anyone who supports killing babies I will condemn anyone who supports killing raping and using underage girls for their own s*xual gratification. I would also condemn anyone who supports killing women and men of any age.

I will also condemn those who use the term “killing babies” in the context of abortion. This type of rhetoric is used to intimidate others and is a false narrative.

Now will you condemn those that hide behind the 2nd amendment as they stand by and allow children to be killed en masse in our schools Royal. Or does your condemnation of killing end at conception?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 14, 2019 7:18 PM
Comment #439824

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Posted by: d.a.n at March 15, 2019 7:03 AM
Comment #439826

See: [47]j2t2 wrote: …
That’s even worse than [11]j2t2 wrote … .

Many thanks to j2t2 for being the gift that keeps on giving, and demonstrating the depth of his depravity. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 15, 2019 7:09 AM
Comment #439834

J2, your ‘blame them for that which you yourself are guilty of’ shtick has become really boring.

IF you really wished to have intelligent conversations with those who disagree with you, you would take the time to educate yourself on the issue being discussed instead of trying to dismiss everything with your “conservative propaganda machine” and “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense.

For instance, when given links to actual charges of voter fraud, you don’t provide proof that backs up your disbelief, you yammer about voter suppression and call names.

Using the “supports killing babies” meme is not a fact? Then PROVE them wrong, FFS. Show where democrats do not support abortions and try to make your case with facts, not feelings.
I understand that ‘killing babies’ is an ugly term to hear, but it is absolute fact that many abortions do indeed kill a baby. But instead of screaming liar and calling people poopy heads, explain why you believe it is sometimes necessary.

“Another example of tiring would be your use of “conspiracy theory” because I say something about Trump.”

Sigh, not how it is at all.
If you say that Trump is wrong about an issue and then point out why you believe so, then we can have a rational discussion. But that’s not how it is, is it. No, instead you say that Trump is wrong because he is a nazi that is owned by a communist dictator.
THAT’S conspiracy, J2. Not me downplaying truth or deflecting.

“You have circled the wagons around a man who simply cannot tell the truth.”

This is where the last 24 years has brought us, J2.
Those on the right watched as the left circled their wagons around Clinton for 8 years. We were told that his lack of morals while President meant nothing. We were told that all his lying didn’t mean anything.
Those on the right sat around and did nothing as the left spent 8 years calling Bush a dummy, a liar and a murderer.
Those on the right watched as the left circled their wagons around Obama for 8 years. We watched as the left acted like his election was the second coming of Christ. We watched as leftists wept while in his presence. We watched the media coddle and withhold negative information. Those who dared disagree with Obama on policy were called racists. Those who pointed out his lies were told to shut-up so they could tell us what he really meant, and that someone else was to blame.

But now you want people to reject policy they agree with because the guy embellished the size of a crowd, ‘lied’ because he said 3.6 instead of 3.9, or what name he said?

“I mean just think if Obama did just a piece of what Trump has down with the Russians.”

Let’s see now: President Obama worked on having better relations with Putin. He praised Putin. He promised more Vlad flexibility when American voters could no longer have any say on his actions. Republicans didn’t like it at all. In fact, Romney warned us about it.
What else? Hmmm, Obama wanted to meet Iran’s supreme leader. He ignored our Congress and negotiated with one of our top enemies in the world. He bypassed Congress to ignore laws passed by Congress. He diverted money from the CDC to the United Nations’ Green Climate Fund.
We don’t have to think ‘what if Obama did the same thing’ J2, he freaking DID it.

Your attempt to turn this around and ask ‘what happened to me’ has no merit, J2. What I believe today is the same as yesterday, last year, 5 years ago, ten years ago, 20 years ago.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2019 9:21 AM
Comment #439835

“Nazis and other right wing groups have done a lot of terrible things in the name of nationalism”

And you still have no idea of what an actual nazi is, or of the vast difference between our ‘right-wing’ and the European ‘right-wing’.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2019 9:26 AM
Comment #439837

kctim trells me “your ‘blame them for that which you yourself are guilty of’ shtick has become really boring.” and then in the same comment says “This is where the last 24 years has brought us, J2. Those on the right watched as the left circled their wagons around Clinton for 8 years. We were told that his lack of morals while President meant nothing. We were told that all his lying didn’t mean anything.”, which IMHO is nothing more than exxegration coupled with “blame them for that which you yourself are guilty of’ shtick”.

IF you really wished to have intelligent conversations with those who disagree with you, you would take the time to educate yourself on the issue being discussed instead of trying to dismiss everything with your “conservative propaganda machine” and “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense.

An intelligent conversation is a two way street kctim. The conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascist/ national populist here on WB have offered nothing but “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense from the “conservative propaganda machine”. You just don’t like it when you are called on it.

For instance, when given links to actual charges of voter fraud, you don’t provide proof that backs up your disbelief, you yammer about voter suppression and call names.

Why dignify the link with a rebuttal kctim? The fact is The Brennan Center has debunked the link provided by D.. Or in the case of the Texas voter suppression idiots I already have linked to factual information. Just not in this thread. I have restated the facts in this thread. D. likes to keep repeating his tripe because he labors under the misconception it will become true if he repeats it often enough.

I shouldn’t have to keep repeating myself, you see where it leads with D., propaganda or as I say myth and misinformation. Not only that, you guys ignore it whether it be from cognitive dissonance or willful ignorance. You see kctim I am not a professional propagandist like D.. I don’t want to be a propagandist and I just don’t have the time to play his game. His links are biased and misleading most of the time. Why bother?

And please kctim, the whole killing babies attack is wrong it isn’t factual as you claim. It is an emotional appeal, and an appeal to ignorance. It is no different than “guns have but one purpose and that is to kill people”. “IF you really wished to have intelligent conversations with those who disagree with you, you would take the time to educate yourself on the issue being discussed instead of trying to dismiss everything with your’…..deflections and diversions.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 15, 2019 10:14 AM
Comment #439838
j2t2 wrote: You see kctim I am not a professional propagandist like D.[d.a.n].
Ha!
That’s funny.
That’s news to me, since I’m only an ordinary person, and not a member of any political party (despite my growing disdain for Democrats since about 2012).

j2t2 just makes stuff up, to fit his narratives.

j2t2 wrote: His links are biased and misleading most of the time. Why bother?
Feel free anytime to point out which parts are false.
Start here and follow the other links. What’s false?
Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping …
j2t2 cares nothing about facts; only spewing more nasty, racist, hateful comments, like these.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 15, 2019 10:31 AM
Comment #439847

kctim said:

IF you really wished to have intelligent conversations with those who disagree with you, you would take the time to educate yourself on the issue being discussed instead of trying to dismiss everything with your “conservative propaganda machine” and “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense.

and j2t2 responds with:

An intelligent conversation is a two way street kctim. The conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascist/ national populist here on WB have offered nothing but “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense from the “conservative propaganda machine”. You just don’t like it when you are called on it.

I don’t think he even realizes what he’s saying. He gets absolutely nowhere with his redundant chant.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2019 12:05 PM
Comment #439849

“I will also condemn those who use the term “killing babies” in the context of abortion.”

You were doing well until you wrote this gem j2t2. That you can separate “killing” from “abortion” is interesting.

Virginia Democrat Governor Ralph Northam…

“So in this particular example, if the mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desire, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

Northam is referring to an infant alive and out of the womb. The mother is given permission, by the state, to murder this person.

Now j2t2, tell us abortion is not murder. Better yet, explain why this abhorrent, immoral, UN-Constitutional barbaric practice should be applauded by Liberals and accepted by everyone else.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 15, 2019 1:55 PM
Comment #439850

“Now will you condemn those that hide behind the 2nd amendment as they stand by and allow children to be killed en masse in our schools Royal.”

I absolutely have, and continue to condemn murdering anyone j2r2. No fudging or exceptions. Of course you understand that “murder” is not the same as “kill”.

I do not understand you linkage of killing children to the 2nd Amendment. Please explain.

Many thanks to kctim for his reasoned and forceful condemnation of outrageous comments made by j2t2.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 15, 2019 2:07 PM
Comment #439854
j2t2 wrote: The conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascist/ national populist here on WB have offered nothing but “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense from the “conservative propaganda machine”. You just don’t like it when you are called on it.
Here we go again. j2t2 is calling people (on WatchBlog) “conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascists” again.

When the going gets tough, j2t2 resorts to obfuscation and nasty, racist, hateful comments and name-calling, such as: Racists ! , Fascists ! , Nazis ! , Brown Shirts ! , Beastialists ! , White Nationalists ! , Sexists ! , Misogynists ! , Xenophobes ! , Anti-Semetites !, Authoritarians !, Right-Wing Conservatives ! , Bigots !, Repub F**ktards, F**king Fascists, as*hats, ignorant F**ks, or telling them F**k you, or Go F**k yourselves, “And you guys on the right support using babies for your own s*xual gratification…”, etc., etc., etc.!

j2t2 then conveniently ignores how often he is wrong:

  • j2t2 wrote that illegal immigrants don’t vote, but it is proven that they do.
  • j2t2 wrote that illegal immigrants don’t collect welfare, but it is proven that they do.
  • j2t2 wrote that Democrats did do something for immigrants when the Dems had a filibuster-proof Congress for 5 months in 2009, but it is proven false, because the Democrats failed to pass the DREAM act (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act#2009) when they could have.
  • phx8 wrote: “there is no rioting in CA over sanctuary cities”, which was proven to be false (source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4hG3PgqjCY , www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2ekveCOfg , www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvs1GO9J6Dg).
  • phx8 wrote that there were no “Middle Easterners” in Honduras, but the Guatemalan President, Jimmy Morales announced in October 2018 that 100 people were arrested and deportated, who were “highly linked to terrorist groups, specifically ISIS” (source: www.snopes.com/fact-check/isis-terrorists-guatemala-caravan/ ). phx8 offered nothing to disprove it; only his usual worthless opinions.
  • phx8 wrote: “…we see Trump denounce them [illegal immigrants in caravans] as criminals, rapists, MS-13, and more.”, which was proven false, because Trump never said all illegal immigrants are criminals; Trump said some people are only looking for work, but some are criminals.
  • phx8 wrote: “The Democrats stabilized the debt under Clinton,…”, which is false, because Clinton actually almost balanced the annual budget only in his last of 8 years in office, and the national debt increased that year, and has never decreased since year 1957.
  • j2t2 wrote that “I am not calling anyone a Nazi”, but then j2t2 wrote: “you complain about the fascist tag you guys on the right have earned”, and “Welcome to Trumps America, Zeig Heil !”
    And j2t2 wrote: The conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascist/ national populist here on WB [WatchBlog] have offered nothing but “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense from the “conservative propaganda machine”.
  • j2t2 and phx8 claimed tax cuts were for the rich only, and no companies or money were returning to the U.S., but that was disproven, and it was shown that numerous companies and hundreds of billions of dollars were returning to the U.S.
  • j2t2 and phx8 claimed claimed tax cuts were for the rich only, but the tax rate for the upper-income brackets were reduced 1%-to-2.4%, and 2%-to-4% for the lower brackets.
  • phx8 wrote: The Trump administration and the GOP robbed the Treasury to give tax cuts to the rich and to corporations.”, but that was disproven (previous line) for income tax, and lowering the corporate tax from 35% to the 21% is common-sense, since the global average corporate income tax is 20%, and anything higher simply incentivized companies to leave the U.S.
  • phx8 wrote: “There was zero net migration from Mexico even before Trump took office.”, which was disproven, because there are still thousands of illegal immigrants being stopped at the borders, but many are still getting through, and many are over-staying after their visas expire, and many (tens of thousands per year) are flying to the U.S. to have a baby, so that they will have an anchor baby, and all the benefits that come from that anchor baby.
  • phx8 wrote: “Border security has not really changed [under Trump], which was proven to be false, because apprehensions at the border had fallen from about 570K per year in 2016 to 320K per year in 2018 (source: www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html).
  • j2t2 wrote that others are throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks, but it appears as if that is actually what j2t2 and phx8 do, and when they are mistaken, they never admit it.
  • j2t2 wrote: I haven’t written anything racist as you would have us believe, unless of course you have re-defined the term.
    • Not true. j2t2 wrote: Neither am I a build a wall on one border to keep the brown guys out type.
    • and j2t2 wrote: Seems you guys [on Watchblog] just want to keep out the brown skinned families.
    • And j2t2 wrote: The conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascist/ national populist here on WB [WatchBlog] have offered nothing but “myth, misinformation, half truths and outright lies” nonsense from the “conservative propaganda machine”.
  • j2t2 wrote: The false assumption that somehow the lower income tax states subsidize higher rate states is wrong when we see the lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.
    • Not true. Many states with zero (or low) state income tax, also receive less money (per capita) back from the federal government. States with high state income taxes are gaming the tax system by relying on the subsidies via state income tax deductions on their federal income tax assessments. Fortunately, that abuse is being addressed.
HHMMMmmmmm … those are not only intances of being wrong, but outright lying.

Many thanks to j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy for being the gift that keeps on giving. The Democrats are so lucky and blessed to have j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy on their side. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 15, 2019 2:35 PM
Comment #439855

Let’s see how these spammers like some of their own medicine (scroll down).
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Posted by: d.a.n at March 15, 2019 2:41 PM
Comment #439857

abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy

pregnancy: having a child or young developing in the uterus

termination: the action of bringing something to an end

kill: cause the death of; put an end to

It is a fact that abortion ends life; kills.
That means the argument is over what one believes is a ‘baby’.
The proper way to debate your position would be to provide proof that supports your position. Heartbeat, brain activity, gestation etc…
THAT is how you have a debate. I do it all the time.

Instead, you go to “s*xual gratification” “underage rape” the Second Amendment and, of course “Trump”.

All I can is that I tried J2. But if you would rather call names and debate around the facts as Phx8 does these days, you both are going to end up with a bad case of misspelling and spouting nonsense about gambling houses controlling the world and, giving Alaska to Putin.
Good luck.

Posted by: kctim at March 15, 2019 2:53 PM
Comment #439858
I do not understand you linkage of killing children to the 2nd Amendment. Please explain.

I think he’s trying to say the second amendment facilitates school shootings. What he doesn’t understand and refuses to acknowledge is, it is gun free zones in schools that facilitate school shootings.

I don’t think we’re going to get him to understand that. I think he would promote school shootings right along side abortions if he thought he could blend into a crowd.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2019 3:35 PM
Comment #439860

j2t2 has editor’s privileges in the Independent Column. We should encourage him to write a post. I’d like to hear what he has to say if it originates from him. He doesn’t articulate his stance clearly when responding to other’s posts and comments.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2019 3:53 PM
Comment #439861

Thanks Weary. The Second Amendment recognizes our right to own guns. It does not recognize our right to kill children, or anyone else, with that gun.

How loony tune it is to pretend that my gun ownership kills anyone. I own knives and axes too, and I don’t kill anyone with them either.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 15, 2019 3:58 PM
Comment #439863

The entire profile of the Democratic party is built on ulterior motives. They can’t shine the light of history on their political philosophy so they hide it under a basket and cover it with cookies and candy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 15, 2019 5:24 PM
Comment #439910
Weary Willie wrote: The entire profile of the Democratic party is built on ulterior motives.
That’s absolutely correct.
IF there are any moderates left in the Democrat party, where are their voices? It sure as hell ain’t j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy.
Where are the moderates and why have they not denounced ALL OF THIS ?
This is the Democrat party today.
I used to vote for whoever I thought was best suited for the office (sometimes Republicans, sometimes Democrats, and often for Libertarians, and sometimes for Constitution Party candidates). But, Democrats are out-of-control, and I’ll never vote for another Democrat as long as they are so radical, racist, anti-Constitutional, the culture of entitlement, wanting free stuff … essentially, type#2 socialist/leftist extremists, who:
  • (1) want the government to take care of them from cradle-to-grave;
  • (2) want the government to wipe their lazy butts for them;
  • (3) want to ride in the wagon while everyone else pushes the wagon;
  • (4) want the government to help give them everything for free, as some master parasites within government gain power by pandering and fostering a pathetic sense of entitlement, and perpetuating the myth that we all can somehow live at the expense of everyone else;
  • (5) want the government to help them to disguise their jealousy and envy as demands for equality;
  • (6) want to play the race card at every opportunity possible (as demonstrated by their habitual socialist comments, name-calling, racist, rude, and vulgar responses, etc.; similar to j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy comments over the many years (source: site2data.com/three_stooges_wrote_1.html );
  • (7) want to acquire more power via more votes and money via massive illegal immigration:
    • (7.01) because many Democrats, most of the Main Stream Media, others on the left, and similar ilk (despicably) pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, by pandering to illegal immigrants for 30+ years for more votes (via more representation in the House, via more U.S. House representatives, via apportionment of representatives (i.e. more electoral votes, and more federal funding), based on population, based on the decennial CENSUS, which does not verify U.S. citizenship;
    • (7.02) because many Democrats are also fighting against a citizenship [x]check-box on the decennial CENSUS, despite the check-box being totally inadequate to prove citizenship. Democrats disguise their desire for power (for THEIR party) as compassion for illegal immigrants, while despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes and money.
    • (7.03) because many Democrats (and most of the main stream media) lie about crime by illegal immigrants, and refuse to report the 2 thousand (or more) homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (source: DHS); and 32% of everyone in federal prison is a criminal non-citizen (source: Source#3: cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens);
    • (7.04) because many Democrats (and most of the main stream media) lie about how massive illegal (or legal) immigration is costing U.S. tax payers $296+ Billion (www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/21/mass-immigration-costs-govt-296-billion-year-natio/) per year in net losses (which does not include all costs, and does not include the cost of crime by illegal immigrants); that is a net loss of about $2,349.00 per year per household (126.22 Million households in 2017, based on U.S. population=323 Million in 2017);
    • (7.05) because many Democrats are calling for open borders;
    • (7.06) because many Democrats are calling to abolish I.C.E. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement);
    • (7.07) because many Democrats want another shamnesty, like the shamnesty of 1986;
    • (7.08) because many Democrats refuse legislation to require employers to use eVerify (to verify eligibility for employment);
    • (7.09) because many Democrats want to give illegal immigrants drivers’ licenses, and also automatically register them to vote;
    • (7.10) because many Democrats want more mayors like Libby Schaaf (Oakland, CA), who warns illegal immigrants (including criminal illegal immigrants) before an ICE raid to arrest criminal illegal immigrants;
    • (7.11) because many Democrats want more sanctuary cities and states, like California, where Democrats have passed sanctuary city and sanctuary state laws that protect criminal illegal immigrants (i.e. an illegal immigrant by the name of Garcia Zarate (who had already been deported 5 times) can shoot and murder Kate Steinle, and be (www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/kate-steinle-murder-trial-verdict/index.html)for that murder, despite Zarate admitting to shooting the weapon that killed Kate Steinle (which should have been, at the very least, manslaughter);
    • (7.12) because many Democrats want to abolish the 2nd amendment, but many Democrats and many on the left call for restricting or eliminating 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2 thousand people killed per year by criminal non-citizens (as of JAN-2019; sources: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-bannister/dems-snub-dhs-presentation-detailing-illegal-immigration-threat-during ; www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf );
    • because the common-thread in all of the items above is that many Democrats are despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other to acquire more votes, money, and power.
  • (8) want to resort to mob-like behavior against anyone who disagrees with them (i.e. using forcible and violent suppression of the opposition, which is an element of fascism) Source: (source: www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
QUESTION: Why do Democrats, socialists, and similar ilk do all of that (above)? What is the common-thread, the common-theme (i.e. the ulterior motive) in all of the above?
ANSWER: They do it for more votes, money, and power for THEIR party. It is all rooted in excessive selfishness (laziness, envy, greed, and lust for power) of Socialist/leftist extremists.
Posted by: d.a.n at March 16, 2019 8:04 AM
Comment #439933

Weary says “j2t2 has editor’s privileges in the Independent Column.”

Not anymore Weary, not since the change of ownership. My password didn’t work then.

We should encourage him to write a post.

Careful what you wish for Weary.

I’d like to hear what he has to say if it originates from him.

Right… opinion not facts?

He doesn’t articulate his stance clearly when responding to other’s posts and comments.

LoL. Neither does Trump. Yet you guys eat it up when it is what you want to hear.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 16, 2019 10:48 AM
Comment #439935
Here we go again. j2t2 is calling people (on WatchBlog) “conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascists” again.

OH brother….. here we go again. D. you left out the nationalist populist part when you misquoted this. CAn you explain why? While you are at it can you explain the difference between “The outrageous use of fiction by our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist Pals is simply underwhelming.” and what I said? Keep going while we are on the subject and explain why you have no list of out of context comments from Royal? Unbiased…LoL!

Posted by: j2t2 at March 16, 2019 11:05 AM
Comment #439938
j2t2 wrote: … explain why you have no list of out of context comments from Royal? Unbiased…LoL!

Because Royal Flush, Roy Ellis, Weary Willie, dbs, and others do not write nasty, racist, hate speech like (j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy) have been doing for years (since around 2006 or earlier). Duh!

j2t2 wrote: Unbiased…LoL!
HHMMMmmmmm … I thought j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy were very “gratified” and “proud” of their comments?!?
  • [01] j2t2 wrote: I am “proud” of each and every one of my comments you have listed here. In fact I am especially proud of the donkey show comment.
  • [24] j2t2 wrote: In fact right now I’m rather proud that you have spent the time going through the archives hunting for my words of wisdom.
  • [04] ohrealy wrote: I keep track of everything I write, and you evidently do not, …
  • [55] j2t2 wrote: Because…wait for it…..wait for it…….. I am proud of those comments [above].
  • [01] phx8 wrote: Thank you for cutting and pasting my comments. I stand by every single one, and I am gratified to see such consistently high quality in my work. Much appreciated.
So what’s the problem? Are you not still proud of all T H I S ?
Posted by: d.a.n at March 16, 2019 12:40 PM
Comment #439939
j2t2 wrote: Not anymore Weary, not since the change of ownership. My password didn’t work then.
Change of ownership?

Cameron Barrett (Democrat) still owns Watchblog, who created WatchBlog in the summer of 2003 after he got tired of the one-sided conversations about politics that were overtaking the blogosphere. Cameron’s goal was to get the people on each side of the political spectrum to actually talk to each other in a civil manner.

This is the result.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 16, 2019 12:58 PM
Comment #439941

Thanks to d.a.n. for “Cameron Barrett (Democrat) still owns Watchblog…”

Watchblog is a place I visit daily when I am able. I learn much from reading the comments reflecting all political persuasions. And, to comment factually, I spend time researching statements made; or statements I intend to make. This enhances my knowledge and exercises my brain.

We are at least as civil to each other as the mainstream media and come candidates running for the presidency.

If there is no “heat” in our discourse, it becomes merely a collection of monologues. I like the heat.

I am an avid Conservative, and defender of our Republic and its founding documents. I am a Capitalist. I am a believer in a creator God. I will defend all those beliefs with my last breath, scrawl, and keystroke.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 16, 2019 2:32 PM
Comment #439948

Good post, Royal Flush.
Yes, visiting WatchBlog.com, and other sites (I frequent FreeTalk24.com too), can be educational, by reading what others write, and by doing research for your own posts, articles, and websites.
As much as some people might think I want the rabid haters to go away or be banned (as they request me to be banned), they would be wrong.
As you pointed out, they help distinguish the difference between Democrats (and similar ilk), and others.
I was banned from this site 3 or 4 times, and it was primarily for posting lists of others’ comments to prove a point, and they really hated that because the best ammunition in a debate is often the other persons’ very own statements (despite their claims to be “proud” or “gratified” by the listing of their comments).

Posted by: d.a.n at March 16, 2019 3:31 PM
Comment #439949

From wiki -UPDATE: WatchBlog was acquired by the Matador Web Group in September, 2011.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 16, 2019 3:36 PM
Comment #439950

WOW. j2t2 is finally correct for once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WatchBlog

Posted by: d.a.n at March 16, 2019 3:37 PM
Comment #439951

Maybe they should update their web-site, which still states that Cameron Barrett owns WatchBlog.com

http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/profile/watchblog_manager.html

Posted by: d.a.n at March 16, 2019 3:39 PM
Comment #439952

“… the best ammunition in a debate is often the other persons’ very own statements…”

How true d.a.n. I can not recall how many times I have done just that and took satisfaction in crushing my opponent.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 16, 2019 3:52 PM
Comment #439956
I was banned from this site 3 or 4 times, and it was primarily for posting lists of others’ comments to prove a point, and they really hated that because the best ammunition in a debate is often the other persons’ very own statements (despite their claims to be “proud” or “gratified” by the listing of their comments).

And here I though it was because you took up so much space repeating your myths misinformation half truths and outright lies D.. That and the anger when your “facts” were disputed. But as far as using my words against me, IMHO, that is the sure sign of a weak or non-existent argument.

Lets take this a step further D.. You like to claim my words are racist yet there are no racist comments in my words. You think that by making false claims it makes your argument stronger but it doesn’t work that way. It makes your argument look silly. You claim my words are nasty yet they are also descriptive, re-posting them is a sure sign they are true (or do you repeatedly post lies) oh wait in your case…. . You claim my words are hateful but when they describe the people they are supposed to describe they aren’t hateful. They describe certain hateful people. SO yes I am proud that your fuddled logic causes you to repost my words.

While we are at it you don’t win a debate by responding with a repost of different things I have said. How silly to think you do. But you do it all the time, for instance…. telling us you haven’t bothered to take out of context comments from others. Yet Royal’s comment ” “our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist …” is to the left what “The conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascist/ national populist” is to the right. Yet you misquote my comment, mischaracterize my comment, and misdirect us with your foolish response! Then you pat yourself on the back thinking you are a winner! LoL!

Posted by: j2t2 at March 16, 2019 6:44 PM
Comment #439958

Has anyone noticed we all continually insult each other all the time? It really doesn’t change. The subject matter may be different, but the bickering back and forth is constant.

When it all gets boiled down, it’s just a waste of time.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 16, 2019 8:01 PM
Comment #439971

http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/profile/editor.html

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 6:11 AM
Comment #439973
Weary Willie wrote: Has anyone noticed we all continually insult each other all the time? It really doesn’t change. The subject matter may be different, but the bickering back and forth is constant. When it all gets boiled down, it’s just a waste of time.
Weary, respectfully, I do not think it is a “waste of time”. I think the BIG difference is WHO you are trying to have a debate with.
There is a BIG difference between (a)honest, civil, debate and (b)spewing nasty, racist, hate speech.
There is still an opportunity to learn, research, and debate (as there always was).
The only difference is that there are no longer any moderators at WatchBlog.com, and that is not entirely a bad thing.
Therefore, there are likely to always be a few bad apples who come to WatchBlog.com to spew their nasty, racist, hateful comments like these, and claim to be “proud” of it.
That’s all that has changed. Not everyone is insulting each other.

It is not you [Weary Willie], or Royal Flush, or Roy Ellis, or Keeley, or AllardK, or Magnolia, or jHamilton, or DanikaK, or dbs, etc., who are spewing nasty, racist, hate speech.
It is only j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy who choose to spew their nasty, racist, hate speech. It makes them feel good perhaps?
It is only fair that their nasty, racist, hate speech be memorialized H E R E for all to see, so that everyone can see what type of person they are dealing with,
and IF some people still want to debate with the likes of j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy, then they should know that they probably are wasting their time.
Especially when they also claim/prove to be proud of their nasty, racist, hate speech. They just want to get under your skin; get a rise out of you. So don’t let them. Ignore them, and/or use their very own comments to prove the depth of their depravity.

Also, there is one other benefit provided by the likes of j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy.
They are actually the gifts that keep on giving (especially as their lists of nasty, racist, hate speech continues to grow).

They are actually sabotaging themselves, and they are NOT a benefit to THEIR party.
ALL political parties have their pariahs, but in the end, I think the majority of voters in the U.S. will reject the nasty, racist, hateful rhetoric that j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy spew, which the Democrat party seems to be attracting in growing numbers for the last few years.

WatchBlog.com may not have the traffic it once did, but web stats probably show a lot more people reading WatchBlog.com than you are aware of.
So, in my opinion, it is not a waste of time.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 7:27 AM
Comment #439974

So what is the difference between

conservatives/oligarchist/neo-Nazi/Fascists

and
Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist

?

j2t2 has a point with how one is criticized and one is not.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2019 8:21 AM
Comment #439976

No. Those are just two extremes, which are both equally destructive, malevolent, nasty, racist, and hateful.

j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy have demonstrated which extreme they belong to, and they are the only extremists I have seen at WatchBlog in a long time. No one else spews nasty, racist, hateful comments like they do.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 8:51 AM
Comment #439978

My point is that there is name calling on both sides. It doesn’t get us anywhere labeling each other. What good does it do?

Perhaps it isn’t a waste of time, but it isn’t constructive as far as progress goes. It gets us nowhere. Perhaps it has a lot to do with us not sticking to the topic of the thread. We will go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Eventually it devolves into name calling.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2019 9:48 AM
Comment #439983

Weary Willie, your point is acknowledged.
Many people resort to some name-calling occasionally.
However, the vast majority and severity of name-calling (other than more benign labels like conservative, socialist, and liberal) are mostly by only three people on this blog, which is j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy (as demonstrated here).
Rather than join them, I choose to memorialize their own comments (which they claim to be “proud” of). In any debate, where hypocrisy is often an issue, using a person’s own comments is fair game, and better than name-calling (especially when they claim to be “proud” of those comments).
IF they are truly “proud” of their comments, then why should seeing them be a problem?
IF there were moderators on this blog, who do you think would be the first people to be banned for making comments like these ?

j2t2 complains about his comments being taken out of context, but that’s not true, because many of the links to the original comments are also included. Context is not important for some comments, such as j2t2’s habit of:

  • repeatedly calling others (who disagree with him) “Nazis”, “Fascists”, “Repub F**ktards”, “Beastialists”, “F**king Fascists”, “as*hats”, “ignorant F**ks”,
  • and tells them “F**k you” you hypocrite, or “Go F**k yourselves”,
  • claims to be “proud” of all of it, and calls it his “Words of Wisdom”,
  • and then repeatedly asks others: “FFS guys, have you no decency?
There’s a BIG difference between name-calling like that above, and labels like “socialist”, “conservative”, “liberal”).

While none of this is likely to ever change j2t2’s, or phx8’s or Ed O’hrealy’s mind or opinion, it can be revealing for others. People are free to do whatever they want, but some people may be grateful to know that any civil debate with j2t2, or phx8, or Ed O’hrealy, IS most likely a “waste of time”.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 10:38 AM
Comment #439994

I make an very conscious effort to obey the Rules of Participation. I’ll go out of my way to word a comment in such a way as to make the comment, not the commenter, the butt of my ridicule.

I know without a doubt that I have made comments I can’t back up with fact. I have been wrong on many occasions. I admit that I am wrong when it matters.

I have just criticized myself first because i want to take this opportunity to criticize everyone else, hoping to make WatchBlog a friendlier user experience.

I hope you all don’t mind.

I’m asking permission to do so.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2019 1:38 PM
Comment #439995

Weary, You don’t need permission.
Most (not all) of us would like more civil debate.
But there are some that do not.
They get their jollies by coming here to shock you and make you angry.
So, is most likely hopeless to expect some people, who cannot even be shamed by their own nasty, racist, hateful comments like these, which proves that they only come here to make people angry, and spew their nasty, racist, hate speech (and then claim they are “proud” of it).
The best tactic to discourage such nasty, racist, hate speech is to “call it out”, high-light it, and (better yet) memorialize it, for everyone to see. Others will most likely decide that civil debate with haters like this is pointless. Especially now, since there are no moderators.

Lastly, there is an up-side to all of this.
People that spew such nasty, racist, hate speech, that also claim to support the goals of a political party you may not like, nor agree with, are the gifts that keep on giving.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 2:00 PM
Comment #439998

“j2t2 has a point with how one is criticized and one is not.”

Weary, I have facts to substantiate my use of the words Liberal, Socialist, Progressive, and Communist.

Perhaps you fail to understand that these titles sometimes refer to others; and do not necessarily label regulars on WatchBlog.

I have challenged those who believe my policies are similar to that of Nazi’s, bigots, racists, etc. My challenges have not been met.

Some on the Left are not sufficiently educated to understand that their “new” ideas or beliefs are not really new. Socialism, or communism presented by a Democrat is not different from the old brand practiced by Marx, Lenin, and others. New Progressives are just like the old Progressives but with a different hairdo.

When a person walks, talks and acts like a Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist, I will refer to them as such.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 17, 2019 3:08 PM
Comment #440001

Royal Flush, the left is criticizing the right because of the actions of a few. Charlottesville is a perfect example of that. The terms you’ve just used to describe our political opponents are actually 4 different political philosophies. Bunching them all together is like shooting the entire barn to hit the sparrow. You also try to change the subject in threads. I haven’t seen your name in any of the Editors lists. Why don’t you apply?

d.a.n, your database is commendable. I also like the idea of having the lists referred to with a link. The long comments are tedious. With that said, I believe you saved WatchBlog from it’s recent doldrums. Thank you for that.

j2t2 uses sarcasm to make a point, but that point is lost in the sarcasm. I may misunderstand what he’s trying to say sometimes. His talking points also get repetitive and tedious and are often negated by the sarcasm. He also paints his targets with a very broad brush. It would help a lot if the labels weren’t so vague. I can see talking about Nazis when referring to a certain group like Spencer’s, but to cast such a wide net is unfair and counterproductive.

phx8, of course, is always wrong. He was actually wrong in this very thread. Buttigeig is the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, not Iowa. He’ll never admit it though. That’s what makes phx8’s comments tedious. I can’t even get myself to verify what he says anymore. He also tried to change the subject of this thread right off the bat, and then tries to justify it by trashing the Rules of Participation. I truly think he is David R. Remer. I’ve said that three times and he hasn’t denied it once.

I hope you guys don’t mind me venting. I was hoping my publishing the Federalist’s Papers would spark a conversation about it’s contents. It fell flat. It’s a shame also. Federalist #2 is interesting but why bother if the subject is drown in a torrent of backbiting.

d.a.n’s contribution is most welcome, but I would also like to thank everyone mentioned in this comment for their participation. None of this would be possible on FaceBook or Tweater. Without phx8, j2t2, ohrealy, and the many others who occasionally poke their heads in, none of this would be possible. Thank you, and the owners of WatchBlog also, for keeping my ability to vent a reality. None of this would be possible without all of you. Thanks.


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2019 3:48 PM
Comment #440002

“I was hoping my publishing the Federalist’s Papers would spark a conversation about it’s contents.”

Weary, I have read, and continue to read the Federalist’s Papers as they are enjoyable and informative.

The Democrat regulars on WatchBlog have no fondness for our Founders reasoning, and some object to our Republic. They could care less what Madison, Hamilton and Jay think.

Weary writes; “The terms you’ve just used to describe our political opponents are actually 4 different political philosophies.”

Perhaps you and I recognize the difference Weary, but I doubt our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist Pals do. It is well known how easily any one of the four philosophies can morph into any of the others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 17, 2019 4:11 PM
Comment #440004

Weary expresses dismay when some topic “drown(s) in a torrent of backbiting.”

Politics, and the discussion of it, rarely follows “Marquess of Queensberry Rules”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 17, 2019 4:16 PM
Comment #440005

Weary Willie, Thanks!
Are we making you Weary ?
And many thanks to Royal Flush, Roy Ellis, Keeley, AllardK, Magnolia, jHamilton, DanikaK, dbs, and others too !
And many thanks to j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy for being the gifts that keep on giving.
By the way, IF phx8 were actually David R. Remer, his philosophy has changed radically.
I have spent many dozens of hours on the telephone with David R. Remer, and while David R. Remer leans Democrat, I never heard or saw anything similar to the sort of radical stuff that phx8 writes.
Also, David R. Remer is educated, and a far, far better writer than anything I’ve ever seen phx8 write.
David R. Remer was also much better with facts and details.
So, if it is actually David R. Remer, he is doing an excellent job at disguising his true philosophies. Therefore, I don’t think phx8 is David R. Remer.
Also, phx8 has been making comments on WatchBlog.com since about 2006 or earlier.
In the early days of WatchBlog.com, there were shill writers. That is, David R. Remer, and possibly others, were writing contributing articles under different names (to increase traffic and interest in the site).

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 4:18 PM
Comment #440008

But…but…but…I have facts as well Royal. I am simply lumping some of the nuances of right wing ideology together just like you do. Why would anyone take offense over facts…right?

Calling them like you see them is alright with D., except when I do it. Then it is hate speech according to the politically correct hypocrite D.. The sad thing is the exaggeration D. resorts to get us to be click bait for his links.

Weary in the Trump error..er…um…era foul mouthed name calling is the norm. Our president is the worst offender. Lies are the new norm. Would Trump be able to complete a full sentence without an insult and/or a lie. Limbaugh, Coulter, and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine sure can’t.

I know when you guys had your chance here on WB to show us the way you spent your time name calling Obama Clinton and the rest of us. Perhaps you guys are becoming as sensitive as Trump is now that the shoes are on both feet.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 17, 2019 4:38 PM
Comment #440009
j2t2 wrote: Calling them like you see them is alright with D., except when I do it.
Nonsense.
j2t2, please show us where anyone (other than phx8 and ohrealy) wrote anything that approaches the nasty, racist, hateful nature of your comments show H E R E

Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping … Crickets chirping …

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 5:18 PM
Comment #440010

I don’t know if Coulter is such a fan of Trump lately. She’s not to impressed with the way he’s using the Art of the Deal. You obviously don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh. He basically does the same thing to the left that d.a.n is doing to you and yours.

I also think it’s fair to say that it was Obama who said he was going to “fundamentally change” the U.S. There’s always resistance to change. I’ve always said that if he had fixed the economy first they would still be in power. They didn’t. They got greedy and they’re paying the price.

Republicans are trying to keep the history and structure of the United States intact. We’re trying to keep our money and our freedoms. I don’t want to end up wearing the same cut and color as every one else. I don’t want to limit my world because I have to ride a bicycle. Some of the things Obama, and Algore before him, support scare the hell out of me. Let’s not forget the weaponization of the bureaucracy, either.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2019 5:23 PM
Comment #440011

Right. This weaponization and corruption, and all of these lies hurt a lot of people, and releasing criminals and terrorist resulted in deaths.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 17, 2019 5:28 PM
Comment #440012

He also overthrew Qaddafi, who had previously given up his nuclear capabilities. I don’t understand that one.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 17, 2019 5:35 PM
Comment #440039
Weary writes; “The terms you’ve just used to describe our political opponents are actually 4 different political philosophies.”

Perhaps you and I recognize the difference Weary, but I doubt our conservative/oligarchist/authoritarian/ fascist/neo-Nazi/nationalist populist friends do. It is well known how easily any one of these right wing philosophies can morph into any of the others.

I agree with Royal and have paraphrased his comment to reflect my agreement. In fact the comments D. seems so butt hurt about are in fact nothing more than the realization that these right wing ideologies have over times morphed into the others. Yet D. wrongly calls this message hateful and/or racist and/or nasty! Placing such PC limitations on free speech, as D. does so often, is a clear example of this morphing of right wing philosophies.

We have seen, over the years, conservatives replace moderates in the repub party. We have seen conservatives move farther and farther right as they have become victims of the right wing propaganda machine. Of course the problem is the denial of this fact by D. and his ilk. The suppression of voting rights in this country is a great example of a desperate right wing forgoing democracy in a bid to retain power in this country.
Informing those on the right of this development has resulted in attempts at censorship by D.. These gas lighting tactics used by D. to silence the opposition, or as he tells us “win debates” , is typical of the right wing reaction to any truth or fact coming from the left.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 3:38 AM
Comment #440041

Does humping the flag on stage and signing bibles for the masses of attendees at the CPAC rally fall under the warning about fascism coming to America wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sinclair-lewis-on-fascism/

From It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”

The main character, Buzz Windrip, appeals to voters with a mix of crass language and nativist ideology. Once elected, he solidifies his power by energizing his base against immigrants, people on welfare, and the liberal press. The novel has been called “frighteningly contemporary” in the wake of the Trump campaign and election.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 3:59 AM
Comment #440053
Republicans are trying to keep the history and structure of the United States intact. We’re trying to keep our money and our freedoms.

Weary is “history and structure of the United States intact” code for white nationalism? Or gilded age capitalism and f*ck the rights of others?

I don’t want to end up wearing the same cut and color as every one else.

Who does?

I don’t want to limit my world because I have to ride a bicycle.

Yeah much better to leave the world an ecological and environmental disaster for the grand kids so you can drive your big gas guzzler.

Some of the things Obama, and Algore before him, support scare the hell out of me.

What exactly do you think they support that scares you so much?


Let’s not forget the weaponization of the bureaucracy, either.

That’s funny. Nixons enemy list and now Trumps alternative facts. But hey lets play what weaponization are you referring too? Surely the IRS going after anti-tax groups don’t fall under weaponization…does it? Maybe it is the ICE guys rounding up anyone that looks Mexican within 100 miles of the border.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 5:25 AM
Comment #440057

Wow. J2t2 stayed up all night to spew more nasty, racist (e.g. ICE comment), hateful comments.

Again, many thanks to j2t2 for being the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 5:44 AM
Comment #440067

Nice try, Weary. For a second there I thought maybe things were going pretty well. Then, as expected, we get the fascism, white nationalism, gilded age capitalism, f*ck the rights of others, and destroy the grand kids nonsense.

Noble attempt, but when your opponent can’t win on the issues and resorts to personal hatred and attacks, there is no getting through to them.

Posted by: kctim at March 18, 2019 8:00 AM
Comment #440107

Kctim, such a one sided judgement. We have to call them the way we see them. There is no personal attack no personal hatred just, IMHO, an honest reflection of the facts. What does Weary mean when he says ““history and structure of the United States intact”? IMHO he is referring to the gilded age, white nationalism and f*ck the rights of others. That is the history and structure of what the conservative right wing, past and present, are doing.

Maybe you missed the Trump hump of the flag.

The hateful list posted by D. named “weaponization and corruption” is mischaracterization and exaggeration yet you leave it out of the discussion. None of you guys can find a problem with it, in fact you think it is real!

Anyway you guys sure have thin skins for being such staunch anti-PC types. I don’t know what you expect when your fearless leader Trump is spouting hate and race baiting daily. Did you really think appeasement will be the plan this time around?

OH I know “Not Me”,”Not Me” and “only a handful” is your reply, but you can shout it as long as you want. You support the white nationalist when you defend them and make excuses for them and their grwoing movement. Where do you guys think they recruit at, left wing websites!

Your silly tactics of calling my comments hate, nasty and racist is in fact supporting the white nationalist. Now you may not realize it or you may not acknowledge it but conservatives have moved farther and farther to the right over the years. They are fed massive doses of propaganda without knowing it. Trump inspires the extreme right wing and they have stepped up in recent years because they have Trump laying down cover fire fore them. You guys do the same thing with your denials and ramblings.

D., you must be proud with your click baiting! from Vox-
“Data released earlier this month by the Anti-Defamation League shows white supremacists’ propaganda efforts increased 182 percent last year, with 1,187 distributions across the US in 2018, up from 421 total incidents reported in 2017.”

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 10:22 AM
Comment #440108

I’m going to go back and say again, it was Obama who said he will “fundamentally change” the U.S.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 18, 2019 10:29 AM
Comment #440110
j2t2 wrote: The hateful list posted by D. named “weaponization and corruption” is mischaracterization and exaggeration yet you leave it out of the discussion. None of you guys can find a problem with it, in fact you think it is real!
HHMMmmmm … what does j2t2 know about hateful comments?

j2t2, feel free anytime to disprove any one of these facts.

Perhaps your severe disdain is the fact that all of those facts are true facts?

Please excuse us IF we simply don’t take your word it (or much of anything, for that matter). Please provide sources; not merely your opinions.

Again, many thanks to j2t2 for being the gift that keeps on giving. The Democrat party is so lucky to have you fighting for their causes.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 10:57 AM
Comment #440111
j2t2 wrote: You like to claim my words are racist yet there are no racist comments in my words.
Really? What’s this?
  • [36] j2t2 wrote: Seems you guys [on Watchblog] just want to keep out the brown skinned families.
  • [37] j2t2 wrote: Neither am I a “build a wall on one border to keep the brown guys out” type.
  • [38] j2t2 wrote: Maybe it is the ICE guys rounding up anyone that looks Mexican within 100 miles of the border.
  • [45] j2t2 wrote: She [Ann Coulter] may be an a * * hat , but she has some integrity unlike our Populist Nationalist/Conservative/neo-Fascist /Authoritarian/Neo-Nazi/Oligarchs here on WB, using every lie to convince themselves what Trump is doing is right [i.e. declaration of National Emergency].
  • [46] j2t2 wrote: Violating the constitution and the rule of law [i.e. declaration of National Emergency] is alright with you guys [others on WatchBlog] as long as it is you guys doing it. Zeig Heil….right?
HHmmmm … so there’s nothing racist about any of that?
Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 11:11 AM
Comment #440115
Really? What’s this?

I don’t know D., lets ask the PC police.

IMHO one can say “brown guys” without it being racist.
I would think that since ICE does exactly what I said at times an accurate reflection of the facts isn’t racist nor is describing ICE racist.
Is lacking in integrity a racist quality D.? Cause I was referring to “you guys”.
Is “you guys” a racist term when I am referring to you guys?

I think we have a case of muddled thinking by D. here my fellow Americans. I know, “surprise surprise”. Surely you can do better than that D.. This is pretty lame my friend, but hey if you can’t do better than that please keep these comments in my list. I am working towards the century mark by the 4th of July.

I know, I will give you a clue. Several different times here on WB I have said I think everyone is racist to one degree some of the time. That includes me along with everyone. So maybe that is the most racist thing I have said here on WB.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 12:02 PM
Comment #440117

J2, the problem is that there is no “honest reflection of the facts” in your posts, only false stereotypes and partisan opinions to further leftist policy.

Keeping the “history and structure of the United States intact” has nothing to do with what you write. Our history and structure is that of a Representative Republic, not a majority rules social democracy. Our individualism, rights and freedoms are all that is keeping us from becoming such a democracy.
You have no counter to that and your own selfishness and desire for a less free society has you lashing out with nonsense you cannot prove.
It is that same selfishness and blind partisanship that causes you to see Trump ‘humping’ the flag, instead of hugging it.

Maybe you missed the Trump hump of the flag.

“The hateful list posted by D. named “weaponization and corruption” is mischaracterization and exaggeration yet you leave it out of the discussion.”

Hateful? It’s just a list of things that happened during the Obama administration that can be easily verified or discounted. If you believe it’s all exaggerated, prove it.

You mistake ‘thin skin’ with being fed up with all the lefts social justice warrior nonsense. When you falsely claim “spouting hate and race baiting daily” sooner or later you were going to be called on it.

“You support the white nationalist when you defend them and make excuses for them and their grwoing movement.”

NOBODY supports, defends or makes excuses for your ‘white nationalist’ boogeyman, J2. You intentionally conflate nationalist views with white nationalist views in order to drive people to the policy you support.
American’s have always been overtly patriotic and supportive of maintaining our nation’s sovereignty. Unfortunately, those are two of the biggest obstacles to getting your majority rules social democracy and you have targeted them for destruction.

“Your silly tactics of calling my comments hate, nasty and racist is in fact supporting the white nationalist.”

Suuuuure they are J2. Perhaps you could explain how my saying it’s hateful to call normal Americans ‘nazis’, is supporting your make believe boogeyman?

“Now you may not realize it or you may not acknowledge it but conservatives have moved farther and farther to the right over the years.”

I’ll realize and acknowledge it as soon as you prove it, J2. It really is just that simple. In fact, I can give you example after example of Republicans moving left and democrats moving far left.

“Trump inspires the extreme right wing and they have stepped up in recent years because they have Trump laying down cover fire fore them.”

Interesting. How so?
His wanting physical barriers at the border, just like previous administrations have wanted?
His banning entry from terrorism listed countries, just like previous administration have done?
His enforcing immigration laws created by Congress?
His unashamed proclamations of love for country?

Tell us J2, what exactly has Trump actually done that inspires the extreme right wing?

Posted by: kctim at March 18, 2019 12:04 PM
Comment #440118

How does j2t2 conclude that his 5 statements H E R E are not racist?

  • Is it racist to accuse people on WatchBlog of trying to keep people out of the U.S. if they have brown skin?
  • Is it racist to accuse people on WatchBlog of being racist by trying to keep “brown families” out of the U.S.?
  • Is it racist to accuse ICE of being racist by trying to round up only Mexicans within 100 miles of the border?
  • Is it racist to accuse others on WatchBlog of being Nazis (that is, since Nazis were racist)?
Not sure what the problem is, but anyone who writes statements like those above (and all of T H I S), and subsequently claims that none of those statements are not nasty, racist, and hateful comments, must have some sort of major mental malfunction.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 12:44 PM
Comment #440119

CORRECTION to last sentence: Not sure what the problem is, but anyone who writes statements like those above (and all of T H I S), and subsequently claims that none of those statements are not nasty, racist, and hateful comments, must have some sort of major mental malfunction.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 12:48 PM
Comment #440123

So…umm…D. what you are saying is if I say you are racist then that means my comments is racist. That is your logic! Then you include other statements that at first weren’t racist but because I made these other comments about you then it makes the other “use to be non-racist” statements racist!

Lord give me strength you SJW you. Such a definition, have you no decency D.? This tripe is a waste of time, this redefining to fit your false narrative BS is so typical of you. Yes D. there is some major mental malfunction but you need to look for it closer to home. A lot closer to home.

Tell us J2, what exactly has Trump actually done that inspires the extreme right wing?

Don’t you think you should ask them kctim? Trump doesn’t inspire me. I would say these far right extremist get worked up by the right wing propaganda machine who supported Trump in his campaign. Then again Trump himself doesn’t seem to miss a chance to instigate these far right killers with his rhetoric. What is obvious is the frequency of these attacks have increased since Trump lied his way into the oval office. Perhaps because he had far right extremist Bannon and Miller working in the White House.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 3:37 PM
Comment #440124

Weary I feel for you my friend. It would be nice to have a friendly discussion here on WB. But it isn’t just the rhetoric that is the problem, that has been with us a long while. I think you guys are just a bit butt hurt because it is Trump getting flayed by us. But hey he is a far right politician that attacks the press, the rule of law and has help from the Senate where the Constitution has come under attack. No one should sit back and appease this guy.

Anyway It is the lack of decency when it comes to the tactics D. thinks makes him a winner. I mean Jesus H Christ I feel like I am arguing with the one legged man in the a** kicking contest when responding to D.. His weeks long name calling attacks, saying I make racist comments and then he can only come up with the gibberish we see in #440111. Then to make matters worse the rebuttal in #440118 is so pathetically devoid of reason or logic , it’s a non sequitur. Yet D. thinks he wins simply by baiting us into going to his site to see previous unrelated comments. It’s kinda like the Bill Murray quote “It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 18, 2019 4:04 PM
Comment #440128
j2t2 wrote: Yet D. thinks he wins simply by baiting us into going to his site to see previous unrelated comments.
j2t2, Unfortunately, what you fail to understand is that you are your own worst enemy (not me).
You wrote that I call you names and write hateful things about you, but what you fail to understand is that I primarily only use your very own comments
(which you claim to be “proud” of, and call your “Words of Wisdom”).
So what’s the problem?
You claim that you don’t write any nasty, racist, and hateful comments, but H E R E they are for all to see, and the list grows almost every day.
Those are your comments, are they not?
So what’s the problem?
IF you are truly “proud” of your “Words of Wisdom”, you should be thanking me!?!

Therefore, I would like to Thank you again (and phx8 and Ed O’hrealy too) for being the gifts that keep on giving. Seriously.
The Democrats are lucky to have you, and they are probably very grateful for your cheerleading for the Democrat party. Please keep up the good work!

Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 4:43 PM
Comment #440129

Geez J2, no wonder you are so full of hate for Trump and those who disagree with you.

You do realize that BOTH of those links are biased opinion pieces, right? Why is it you guys can never give actual proof of your claims when you are asked?

Your first link is nothing but trying to associate guilt by association, something the left spent 8 years telling us was wrong. It lies about Trump “bashing immigrants as “killers and rapists” and banning muslims.

Your second link is a conspiracy laden piece of partisan garbage that comes to ridiculous conclusions by cherry picking information.

You do understand what opinion and ‘commentary’ are, don’t you?

Come on, what exactly has President Trump done to support your claims you are making?


Posted by: kctim at March 18, 2019 4:58 PM
Comment #440132

kctim,
It is sad in a way, but j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy are truly delusional, and incapable of logical debate.
They only believe what they want to believe, and ignore all logic and evidence that is contrary to their twisted philosophies.
It would not surprise me IF these persons have had very troubled lives for many years, and many failed and unhealthy relationships.

There is a common-thread in most of what they write. They want free stuff, always act like victims, entitled, and try to disguise their envy, jealousy, and laziness as demands for equality.

And that is why they are attracted to socialism.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 18, 2019 5:34 PM
Comment #440178

Kctim, the one Raw Story link was a commentary but it had factual information laid out so the commentator could make his point. The first link wasn’t opinion or commentary. They both showed exactly what I said “I would say these far right extremist get worked up by the right wing propaganda machine who supported Trump in his campaign. Then again Trump himself doesn’t seem to miss a chance to instigate these far right killers with his rhetoric.”. The one article told us one of the extremist was inspired by Trump, Which was what you asked for “Tell us J2, what exactly has Trump actually done that inspires the extreme right wing?”.

I guess you will need to see Trump’s membership card for the KKK or something and then you would claim fake news. SO I don’t know what to tell you. But here is an concise explanation that also deals with right wing inspiration.

“I use the term “enabling” to mean pursuing positions and policies that contribute to an environment in which terrorist or extremist activities can flourish. The term is useful for two reasons. First, it avoids the trap of trying to show direct causality for specific attacks, which is difficult to assess, and instead pays attention to how an actor helps to fuel the movement from which terrorists emanate.

https://warontherocks.com/2018/11/riding-the-tiger-how-trump-enables-right-wing-extremism/

Posted by: j2t2 at March 19, 2019 12:24 PM
Comment #440181

j2t2 writes more idiotic nonsense about how Trump enables right-wing extremism.
So, who is responsible for all of this and this ?.
Funny, how the haters want to blame everything on one person.
There are crazies from BOTH extremes committing horrible crimes.
However, only j2t2 and similar ilk sink so low as to blame Trump and/or Republicans.
After the shooting at synagogue in Pittsburgh on 27-OCT-2018 …

[21] j2t2 wrote: Now you [Roy Ellis] act surprised and try to deflect the blame! Go f * * k yourselves. Point the finger at yourselves for buying into the stupid propaganda you have bought into.

Again, many thanks to j2t2 for being the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: d.a.n at March 19, 2019 2:01 PM
Comment #440186
IF you are truly “proud” of your “Words of Wisdom”, you should be thanking me!?!

Why? I wrote them D., you, you are just a repeater. Of course you have bad intentions and and inflated ego that thinks it makes you a winner instead of a click baiting propagandist.

Tell you what, instead of click baiting us all the time I will thank you each and every time I see them if you repeat the entire list in your comments.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 19, 2019 3:56 PM
Comment #440187

J2, your links are blather covering why those writers think Trump inspires extremists. They use info that they think supports their opinion and discard the info that doesn’t.
For example: DeVega says that the NZ nut ‘praises Trump’ as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose,” but intentionally omits the nut saying he disagrees with Trumps policies.

They also take things out of context to support their opinions.
Trump never suggested that the neo-Nazis and white supremacists who rioted in Charlottesville, Virginia, included “very fine people.” It was very clear that Trump was talking about the non-violent and peaceful people on BOTH sides.

Trump never sought to ban Muslims from entering the United States. What he sought was to temporarily ban entry from countries that the previous administration had designated as dangerous.
Nobody was put in “concentration camps” FFS.
Trump never said that “Latino immigrants are a natural criminal class who come to America with the express goal of raping and killing white people.”

Those are opinions, J2, not facts. Opinions formed from a narrative that was created by twisting truth.

Do you see how that works, J2? IF you do, then perhaps you will notice how the NZ nuts so-called ‘praise’ for Trump sounds almost identical to what our media airs non-stop.

The warontherocks link was a fun read, but even that writer admits it’s all subjective: avoids the trap of trying to show direct causality.
There is no ‘trap’. You can either point to what Trump has actually said or done to promote actual extremism, or you can’t.

Posted by: kctim at March 19, 2019 4:01 PM
Comment #440189
j2t2 wrote: Tell you what, instead of click baiting us all the time I will thank you each and every time I see them if you repeat the entire list in your comments.
No, I don’t think so, because the entire list of your “Words of Wisdom” is getting too long, and growing longer almost every day.
Again, thanks for being the gift that never stops giving. Posted by: d.a.n at March 19, 2019 5:22 PM
Comment #440299

Where can I read the NZ shooter’s manifesto?

That’s right, I can’t. I’ve looked for it, but all I get is a 404 error.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 21, 2019 10:21 AM
Comment #440300

Were we able to find the church shooter’s manifesto? Yes.
Were we able to find the Unibomber’s manifesto? Yes.

https://listverse.com/2017/11/15/10-school-shooters-on-why-they-did-it/
We know about all of these, who’s hiding what in NZ?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 21, 2019 10:28 AM
Comment #440576

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