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A Deal With the Taliban & Honor in Afghanistan

Do you know a family who has lost a son or father or wife or sister to the war in Afghanistan? Do you know someone who knows someone? Perhaps not, but thousands of lives have been affected: directly by death and injury and indirectly by what their families have had to live through and deal with.

Was it worth it and is it worth it?

Yes, that's an impossible question to answer, especially for those of us who answer no to most of the above questions. I did happen to casually know a woman whose son came back from Afghanistan about a decade ago, apparently a changed and hardened man. But thank God, he came back.

First you have to define what the "it" is. Why are America and its allies fighting in Afghanistan? Because that's where Osama Bin Laden launched his jihad from. Because the Taliban are a medieval ruthless form of Islamic fundamentalism that flies in the face of everything much of the world at least professes to believe in.

But wait, those were the initial reasons. It has been over 17 years, Osama is dead, and the reasons have shifted. Afghanistan has become a symbol of the war against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism. The variety of jihadist terrorists from around the Middle East and from farther abroad fighting there (anybody remember John Walker Lindh who reportedly has still not renounced radical Islamic jihadist terror?) means it is radical Islamic terror's Waterloo. Either a great victory or a tragic but noble defeat in their eyes. A Waterloo they, of course, hope will be a victorious one rather than an emperor's tragic defeat.

And it's an asymmetrical battlefield. America and its allies have to continually secure a stable and relatively peaceful environment every fricking day, of every month, of every one of the last 17 years. Any truck-bomb. Any roadside IED. Any death of an allied soldier, especially an American one, is seen as a victory by the bearded crazies who profess a willingness to die and of course to kill and maim as a logical extension, in their eyes, of their faith.

It has become a grinding and bloody war of attrition between two very different combatant forces.

Now we have a possible peace deal with The Taliban in the works. And David French is troubled, if not outraged, that the Trump administration would actually consider brokering a peace deal with them. Here's what he writes in National Review:

"If the planned Trump withdrawal from Syria has echoes of America's disastrous withdrawal from Iraq, its potential withdrawal from Afghanistan has echoes of America's retreat from Vietnam. We'd leave an allied government with diminished resources to face an emboldened enemy. But unlike our Vietnamese foes, this emboldened jihadist enemy has already demonstrated that it can and will host terrorists who can and did inflict grievous harm on the United States of America."

The comparison to the helicopter leaving the roof of the embassy in Saigon in 1975 is already baked into the cake in much of the media. The analogies are already being rolled out and will be repeated endlessly should Trump's administration sign a peace deal with the Taliban. You cannot avoid them unless you remain for an even longer time in Afghanistan. Which means the steady drip of death and injury and losses and occasional victories, year after year. Decade after decade.

What David French seems to want - even if he dare not speak it - is to colonize Afghanistan. In fact, we have had an American protectorate in that troubled land since the fall of 2001. Here's French again:

"It's vital to understand that peace does not necessarily require withdrawal. In fact, American troops have often been indispensable to keeping the peace after our worst wars. And as costly as those forward deployments are, they are far, far less costly than renewed combat. Keeping an American military force in Iraq in 2011 would have been far less costly than the city-destroying urban battles we've seen since America was forced to reengage in 2014. Keeping an American military force in South Korea has been far less costly than the likely catastrophe of a second Korean War.

No deal with the Taliban should depend on trusting the Taliban to defeat the terrorists who seek to strike us here at home. No deal with the Taliban should leave our allies at the mercy of the Taliban. If that means no deal with the Taliban, then so be it. If they want to commit to perpetual warfare, then they should understand that our nation has the will for perpetual self-defense."

But perpetual self-defense does not necessarily mean remaining in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not the Korean peninsula. In fact, it may be that in today's world, leaving that country and redeploying closer to home and elsewhere might be a far more effective form of so-called perpetual self-defense.

It may be that the resistance to cutting and deal and leaving is, in part at least, a reflection of the military's reluctance to facing the hard questions about how they conducted the Afghanistan War and whether it was worth it. Questions of honor - hardly a trivial thing for the men and women who march into harms way for their flag and country although this is really about their commanding officers' honor - are especially delicate things. But there is a perpetual war with Islamic terror around the globe, questions of honor notwithstanding.

America has to assess how best to fight that war. And leaving Afghanistan might be a far less disastrous step than people like David French imagine it to be.

Posted by AllardK at February 1, 2019 1:28 PM
Comments
Comment #437612

President Trump has ordered the withdrawal of over 2,000 US troops in Syria. Are 2,000 troops all that keeps us safe?

Let’s do a rotation among our allies. It’s time for them to send their 2,000 troops to Syria if it is so important.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 1, 2019 2:54 PM
Comment #437615
AllardK wrote: But perpetual self-defense does not necessarily mean remaining in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not the Korean peninsula. In fact, it may be that in today’s world, leaving that country and redeploying closer to home and elsewhere might be a far more effective form of so-called perpetual self-defense.

Right. U.S. soldiers should not be put in harm’s way for never-ending civil wars in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, unless it is truly making the U.S. safer, and being there is also the best way to do it.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 1, 2019 3:37 PM
Comment #437621

I barely can recall when the Sov’s were in Afgan vying for a seaport to the South if I remember correctly. I believe that problem would resurface if we just bailed out of there.

I do like the idea of spreading the mission among some NATO members. Seems they would like to get the training this mission would provide. When we can find a clump of Taliban send in a drone strike. Make it hard for them to form into a fighting force.

I like Trump’s plans on pushing back in Crimea. Also, like that he has cancelled this intermediate nuclear weapons treaty. Hopeful he can get it restored with some real teeth.

And, he has China by the short hairs over this technology theft issue. Just sit back and watch Trump’s action. He’ll ‘git er dun’ b4 the end of his second term, IMO.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 1, 2019 8:12 PM
Comment #437650

Thanks to Roy for the comments on President Trump’s recent decisions on Crimea and the nuclear weapons treaty. He is making real progress on trade with China as well.

It is just a damn shame that half the country isn’t aware of what he has accomplished. And, Liberal/Progressive/Socialist who do know, are too politically jaundiced to care.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 2, 2019 3:38 PM
Comment #437663

Sing to the tune; “Where have all the flowers gone.”

Where have all the Liberals gone?

Have we really sent them scurrying back to their caves and holes with truth? Are they so defeated that they dare not venture forth?

Could it possibly be that even our Liberal Pals on WB are embarrassed by the actions and words of some of their elected representatives and wanna-be presidential hopefuls?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 3, 2019 1:43 PM
Comment #437664

They all seem to have identity crisis issues. Perhaps they watch too much TV. From Spartacus to Pocahontas and a cadre of ignorant baffoons we should call the 4 Stooges, they all belong to the Democratic party! It’s so lopsided CNN is trying to change their their babykiller’s party affiliation to Republican! I don’t understand how this guy from Virginia thinks the media will save him when CNN puts an (R) next to his name. Perhaps he’s falling back on muscle reflex and trained responses.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 3, 2019 2:21 PM
Comment #437670

Right on, WW and RF. If Norton was an ‘R’ he would have been driven from office day 1. The dims want to make some noise but they really don’t won’t this guy to bail. They know what we all know, the Lt. Gov. would be a much weaker candidate come 2020. The dims want power, period.

An opposition group to the dims was going to march around Stone Mountain but officials closed the park. Didn’t stop the dims, they formed up and came out to Stone Mtn and protested vigorously. Law means little to nothing to the dims, something to be used in their favor where possible.

One thing they are definitely against; they don’t want a wall. Sticking it to the ‘dreamers’, giving Trump the shaft as it relates to negotiations on immigration reform.

I am so hopeful that after the State of the Union he will use defense funds to build out the entire wall, completing it before the end of his first term. ‘Git er dun’ Mr. President.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 3, 2019 7:46 PM
Comment #437672

He’s giving his SOTH before the next shutdown. I think he’ll put it plain and simple, one way or another.

Nancy’s got the big head so she won’t see it coming. Schummer thinks he put Trump in his place. I’d like to see his face, but we’ll have to settle for watching Nancy fuss with her dentures.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 3, 2019 9:10 PM
Comment #437695
It is just a damn shame that half the country isn’t aware of what he has accomplished.

What has he really accomplished Royal? Putin violated terms of the treaty so Trump threatened to cancel the treaty and Trump said he would. Putin laughs. Other than getting Putin all giggly what did Trump accomplish?

Trade with China? What exactly has been done? Tariffs? Has China kowtowed to Trump? No they haven’t. They have joined Russia to overtly become involved in our democratic process. Have they retuned any “stolen” property? Or paid for their use of it? Have they given up some of their technological advances to the US ? What exactly has Trump done? Other than you guys get all warm and fuzzy because he hasn’t completely screwed the pooch yet. According to Roy he is maybe gonna get it done 6 years from now! No really that is what your team is hanging their hat on.

How is that big tax break for all us middle class people working out for you guys? I mean what has he done? H has you guys hoping he will steal from the military to get the wall built on the southern border! Mr. Art of the Deal has failed to get Mexico to pay for the wall so now he is attempting to create a false crisis to steal funds from the military! That is his accomplishment!

Oh I guess I forget your BS about the economy, the best ever…yadayadayada…BS…lies…more BS. But he hasn’t done anything it wasn’t broke! So please WTF has he done?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2019 7:44 PM
Comment #437698
j2t2 wrote: Mr. Art of the Deal has failed to get Mexico to pay for the wall so now he is attempting to create a false crisis to steal funds from the military! That is his accomplishment!
HHMMmmmm … j2t2 conveniently ignores all of the following, or does not believe that the following, and does not believe the following is serious enough to secure the borders:
  • 2,000 homicides per year (5.5 homicides per day) by criminal non-citizens (sources: www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf ; www.cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-bannister/dems-snub-dhs-presentation-detailing-illegal-immigration-threat-during);
  • 117 deaths per day (4.9 deaths per hour) due to drug over-doses (90% from across the U.S./Mexico border;
  • about $300 billion per year (over $3,600 per year per household of 4 persons) in net losses due to illegal immigration (source: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/21/mass-immigration-costs-govt-296-billion-year-natio/ ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGVs4lFDw4 ), which does not include all of the costs of millions of crimes by criminal non-citizens per year;
  • tens of thousands of non-citizens are voting in U.S. elections (source: www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/010179.html#434193);
Why does j2t2 (and many Democrats, and similar ilk) ignore all of the above and the following?
You need to understand their true motives.
What is the common-thread in all of the following?
These 12 facts are ample proof of WHY; proof of the nefarious motives of many Democrats (and other socialist extremists) to acquire more power via more votes and money, because many Democrats (and similar ilk):
  • (01) despicably pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, by pandering to illegal immigrants for 30+ years, for more votes (via more representation in the House, via more U.S. House representatives, via apportionment of representatives (and more electoral votes, and more federal funding), based on population, based on the decennial CENSUS, which does NOT verify U.S. citizenship);
  • (02) are also fighting against a [x]citizenship check-box on decennial CENSUS;
  • (03) lie about level of crime by illegal immigrants, and refuse to report 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (source: DHS, GAO, cis.org);
  • (04) lie about the cost of massive illegal (and legal) immigration (about $300 Billion per year in net losses; sources: www.washingtontimes.com ; www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGVs4lFDw4 );
  • (05) are calling for open borders;
  • (06) are calling to abolish I.C.E.;
  • (07) want another amnesty, like the shamnesty of 1986;
  • (08) refuse requirement for employers to use eVerify;
  • (09) want to give illegal immigrants drivers’ licenses, and also automatically register them to vote at the same time;
  • (10) want more mayors like Libby Schaaf, who warns illegal immigrants before an ICE raid to arrest criminal illegal immigrants;
  • (11) want more sanctuary cities and states, where Democrats (and A.G. Xavier Becerra) passed sanctuary city and state laws that protect criminal non-citizens (e.g. an illegal immigrant, Garcia Zarate (already deported 5 times) can shoot and murder Kate Steinle, and be acquitted for that murder);
  • (12) want to abolish or restrict 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens;
QUESTION: Why do many Democrats (and similar ilk) do all of that?
Why? What is the common-thread in all of those objectives above?
ANSWER: They do it for more votes, money, and power, by massive illegal and legal immigration, despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for more votes, money, and power

Truly Despicable!
So, it is becoming crystal clear what many Democrats and similar ilk are doing, and it is truly despicable. Posted by: d.a.n at February 4, 2019 9:42 PM
Comment #437701
Right on, WW and RF. If Norton was an ‘R’ he would have been driven from office day 1.

Uh…..Roy which repubs have been driven from office? I remember Al Franken resigning but what repubs are you referring to? Not Kavanaugh, Not Trump, oh you must mean Trumps campaign team.

Law means little to nothing to the dims,

I would dismiss this insanely stupid comment as just more psychological projecting by Roy and our conservative friends here at WB, but it’s just to much to be projecting. Its more along the lines of an inability to tell the truth that most conservatives share. Conservatives have somehow forgotten the f**ktards they have voted into office over the years. Nixon, Reagan GWB and most of all Trump.

Nixon the president that wanted power so bad he broke into the opposition parties offices, stealing and lying until he was backed into a corner and only then resigned. Then of course the most corrupt administration of the 20th century, the Reagan administration. Why GWB almost seems like a saint compared to the rest of this bunch but he wasn’t. And now Trump trying to out do Reagan when it comes to corrupt. His campaign staff is behind bars or heading that way.

Yet you ignorant f**tards have no decency as you actual mutter this crap as if there was a shred of truth to anything you say. What a joke conservatives and conservatism is anymore. The morally bankrupt fight for an all powerful oligarchy. Voter suppression, extreme gerrymandering and lies or conservative ideology as we say.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2019 11:21 PM
Comment #437702

j2t2 conveniently ignores all of the following, or does not believe that the following, and does not believe the following is serious enough to secure the borders:

D., WTF do you expect, your reputation is so sullied from past exaggerations, falsehoods and dubious sources as to make anything you write gibberish. Most of the time I don’t read but a tiny fraction of what you write because as we all know you constantly repeat the Big Lie.

As far as this particular instance you attribute 2k deaths per year to illegal immigrants but IMHO most of those are drug/cartel/gang/ organized crime related killings. Break out the number to reflect only the lone illegal coming here looking for work and you might have something work discussing.

This $5.7b do we even know where the Border patrol is planning on putting the wall? Is there any projections from the border patrol that would indicate just how the new wall will reduce the number of killings and the amount of drugs coming into the country? You are good at the fearmongering stats but anything that would actually justify a wall is in short supply. Lord knows the existing wall hasn’t slowed down the number of killings, according to you anyway, and the amount of drugs coming into the country. Yet conservatives are trying to sell more wall as the answer….what a joke you guys are.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2019 12:25 AM
Comment #437703
j2t2 wrote: Conservatives have somehow forgotten the f**ktards they have voted into office over the years.
More name-calling is a sure sign of a failing argument. IF Conservatives are what you say, then what are socialist extremists like you?
j2t2 wrote: Nixon the president that wanted power so bad he broke into the opposition parties offices, stealing and lying until he was backed into a corner and only then resigned.
Yes, but what is worse? What Nixon did, or the following:
  • [01] The IRS targeted conservatives under Obama’s and Lois Lerner’s watch; Obama lied that no laws were violated: “There is not a scintilla of corruption in my administration”; Lois Lerner, head of the IRS Office of Exempt Organizations, stated she had not done anything wrong and then took the Fifth before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Lerner retired (with pension) in 2013 after an internal investigation found that she neglected her duties and was going to call for her ouster. Joseph H. Grant, commissioner of the IRS Tax-exempt and Government Entities division, resigned (with pension) on May 16, 2013;
  • [02] VA’s deadly secret waiting lists for veterans; The Secretary of Veterans Affairs, General Eric Shinseki, voluntarily resigned (with pension);
  • [03] Hillary Clinton’s illegal hackable amateur server and emailing of classified information; the FBI investigation found that 110 messages contained information that was classified at the time it was sent; that is a crime that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, committed by Hillary Clinton. But James Comey, Loretta Lynch, and others in the DOJ and FBI protected Hillary from being indicted for those crimes.
  • [04] Hillary Clinton seized control of the Democratic National Committee which used Pakistani programmers who are now being prosecuted, and Wikileaks had a field day with the classified information that was exposed to our rivals (i.e. Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians, etc.);
  • [05] Hillary’s camp created and paid for the infamous “Steele Dossier” which claims that President Trump committed collusion with the Russian government. This classic frame-up is still going on as Hillary smiles at her accusers; this truly amounts to high-tech treason, and the fake news press, corrupt FBI, DOJ, and other officials did unbelievable things covering for Hillary, and continue to cover for Hillary, and many were working under the assumption that she would become the next U.S. president;
  • [06] Terence Flynn, an appointee of Barack Obama to the National Labor Relations Board, resigned (with pension) in May 2012 after being accused of serious ethical violations by leaking information to the National Association of Manufacturers;
  • [07] Martha N. Johnson (D), head of the General Services Administration, fired two top GSA officials and then resigned herself (with pension) after it was revealed that $822,000 had been spent in Las Vegas on a 4-day training conference for 300 GSA employees;
  • [08] David Petraeus resigned (with pension on 07-NOV-2012) as Director of the CIA after admitting having a s*xual relationship with his biographer, pleaded guilty (on 23-APR-2015) to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials, in which he was given a two-year probation period and a fine of $100,000; He got off very easy;
  • [09] Comey and others in FBI and DOJ that ignored Hillary Clinton’s numerous violations; Trump later fired Comey in 2017;
  • [10] Fast and Furious (a previous, similar program was started and ended during Bush’s administration called “Operation Wide Receiver”, but Fast and Furious started NOV-2009 during Obama’s administration, and Eric Holder obstructed the investigations for the gunwalking-program; Eric Holder’s “Fast and Furious” obstruction caused the murder of hundreds of Mexican citizens and some US border patrol officers with weapons supplied by the US government. Some ATF agents became concerned the weapons were being used for crimes. On Dec. 14, 2010, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed during a gunfight. Guns in the shootout were involved in the Fast and Furious operation, it was later learned. Eric Holder was found to be in “Contempt of Congress”, but Eric Holder lost no sleep about it;
  • [11] Hillary Clinton lied about youtubevideo as the cause of attacks in Benghazi, Libya; Hillary lied to the victims’ families; Hillary was caught red-handed lying before Congress about Benghazi during that senate committee. It was discovered that Hillary had sent an email to her daughter explaining the people in Benghazi had been killed by Al Qaida-like terrorists. Hillary wrote: “Hey, this attack at Benghazi was caused by Al Qaida-like elements”. Yet, Hillary and Susan Rice went all over saying it was due to a offensive video. Source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5DEROUA568
  • [12] Susan Rice lied about a youtubevideo as the cause of the attacks in Benghazi, Libya;
  • [13] Obama’s Solyndra scam, which was a phony solar energy scheme which cost out tax payers $500 million. According to the magazine, The New American, “the administration funneled billions of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of wealthy Democrats and Obama supporters, who in turn gave some of the cash back via campaign contributions. More than 75% of the over $20 billion went to Obama financial backers, according to Department of Energy figures analyzed by researchers”;
  • [14] The Secretary of Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sebelius was determined to be guilty of violating the Hatch Act by campaigning for president Obama in her official capacity (on 13-SEP-2012); On 11-APR-2014, Sebelius announced her resignation from her position as Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Sebelius reimbursed the government’s expenses;
  • [15] Obama’s administration spun intelligence to suit his narrative. It was reported that 50 intelligence analysts said their reports on the Islamic State (who Obama called the JV (Junior Varsity) team) had been watered-down to suit the White House’s spin, and that pressure to do so had come from senior military and intelligence officials; Many Democrats and others on the left believe they will find a crime by Trump.
    IF all members of Congress were investigated, probably 80% of them would be found to have committed crimes.
Not to mention, the following Lies, Scandals, Fraud, and Despicable Release of Criminals from Prison by the Obama administration:
  • (001) Remember, Obama said: “Unlike some, I actually try to state facts. I believe in facts. I believe in a fact-based reality, and a fact-based politics.”
  • However, Obamacare cost Americans billion$ in losses (possibly, worse).
    • Remember, Obama said: “[Health Insurance] Premiums will be lowered by $2500”;
    • Remember, Obama said: “If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD.”;
    • Remember, Obama said: “If you like your health insurance, you can keep it, PERIOD!”;
    • After 5 years, Obamacare has failed miserably on 4 important metrics (cost, coverage, competition, and choice):
        Source: www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/are-we-better-now-five-years-obamacare
    • fewer health insurance providers, and none in some counties;
        Source: time.com/money/4503325/obama-health-care-costs-obamacare/
    • Five years later, it is clear that Obamacare failed:
        Source: www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2015/03/23/obamacare-at-five-years-old-a-disappointment/#25d817506ad2
    • Many people’s deductibles trippled, the max-out-of-pocket doubled, and the annual premiums trippled (but on the upside, they now have coverage for things they don’t need).
  • (002) There were a record number of people collecting food stamps under the 8 years of Obama.
  • (003) Obama did not have a clue about economics, and said GDP could never rise about 2.0%. Yet, in 2018, GDP reached 4.2% (during Trump’s 2nd year).
  • (004) Obama said jobs that went off-shore are NEVER coming back. Yet, many corporations, money, and jobs ARE returning to the U.S. due to the common-sense reduction of the corporate tax from 35% to 21% (closer to the global average of 20%)
  • (005) “I will have the most transparent administration.”;
  • (006) “I have shovel ready jobs.”;
  • (007) “The IRS is not targeting anyone.”; [Lois Lerner was never indicted, but should have been (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lerner)];
  • (008) “If four Americans get killed…uh…. it is not optimal.” [re: Benghazi]: www.floppingaces.net/2012/10/20/obama-youtube-video-disgusting-four-americans-dead-not-optimal-reader-post/ ];
  • (009) “Benghazi was because of a youtubevideo.”; [Another disgusting lie; Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice also lied about what happened; Obama went along with all of it.];
  • (010) “ObamaCare will be good for America.”; [In Maryland, Obama celebrated 60,000 Obamacare signups, BUT 73,000 lost insurance BECAUSE OF Obamacare!];
  • (011) New Record: Price of Gas was greater than $3 per Gallon for consecutive 1,245 Days (3.41 years);
  • (012) “I did not say you could keep your health care.” [Regardless that 29 recorded videos show Obama did say EXCACTLY that];
  • (013) “No one making less than $250,000 will see their taxes raised one dime.”; Opppsss…that was B.S.
  • (014) “If I had a son…”; [This is not the only time Obama racially pre-judged an incident incorrectly];
  • (015) “I will put an end to the type of politics that “breeds division, conflict and cynicism”.; [Laughable].
  • (016) “You didn’t build that.”; [This reveals a lot about Obama’s philosophy: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng ];
  • (017) “I will restore trust in Government.”; [laughable]
  • (018) “The Cambridge police acted stupidly.”; [This is not the only time Obama racially pre-judged an incident incorrectly];
  • (019) “I am not after your guns.”; [D.C. 23-year-old gun ban, which Obama had supported, was over-turned by the Supreme Court];
  • (020) “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.” [Senator Obama of 2006; yet, Obama set an all-time new record of spending, by doubling the national debt, leaving it at $20 Trillion by the end of 2016];
  • (021) “I have been practicing…I bowled a 129. It’s like — it was like Special Olympics.”; [HHMMmmm…that’s not nice, but it is doubtful even Obama meant to denigrate people with special needs];
  • (022) “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”; [Yeah, right. As usual, the middle-class gets screwed while their health insurance is destroyed; again, this reveals a lot about Obama’s philosophy (www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqI5PSRcXM)];
  • (023) “The Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk”; [Did that happen? I don’t think so.]
  • (024) “It’s not my red-line; it is the world’s red-line.”; [Re: consequences for Syria using chemical weapons];
  • (025) “Whistleblowers will be protected.”; [Nevermind the numoerous cover-ups and stonewalling, Benghazi, IRS, Fast and Furious, VA, etc.];
  • (026) “I will close Gitmo.” (Guantanamo); [Almost! Obama released many from Gitmo, and they went on to commit more terrorist acts, killing and injuring more people (www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/25/cory-gardner/how-many-released-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-commit-/); As of 23-JAN-2017, several Americans have been killed by the released terrorists; the federal government reported that 17.6% (122 individuals) had been “confirmed of re-engaging” and 12.4% (86 individuals) were suspected of re-engaging in terrorism].
  • (027) “The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t, — but she is a typical white person.”; [HHMmmmm … Obama said his mother is a “typical white person”?!?]
  • (028) “I am not spying on American citizens.”; [The NSA was spying on citizens!];
  • (029) Obama said (OCT-2013) government shutdown is all the “GOP’s fault”; [Maybe because they knew Obamacare was a disaster?: www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013/10/03/why-did-the-u-s-government-shut-down-in-october-2013/#63ed5d157d9d ]
  • (030) “ObamaCare will lower costs for everyone.”; [but costs actually doubled and tripled for many, causing great harm and loss to many];
  • (031) “More Americans will be insured under Obamacare”; [but more harm than good was the actual result];
  • (032) “Islam is the religion of peace and tolerance…Muslims are our friends” [then Obama bows to the muslim leaders; very strange, and not the norm for national leaders who are essentially at a peer level; not subordinate; but then, I remember George Bush walking around while holding hands with the Saudi Crown Prince Abdjullah. That was also very strange. Might be the oil, eh? However, today, since 2017, the U.S. is no longer so dependent on foreign oil];
  • (033) “That’s the good thing about being President, I can do whatever I want,” ;
  • (034) “I am not a dictator.”;
  • (035) 2011 Arab spring: FAIL;
  • (036)America’s 2010 Summer of recovery: FAIL;
  • (037) Hiring a known palestinian terrorist to work on Obamacare in Illinois. [Didn’t bother to check her on e-verify];
  • (038) “I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”; [That’s laughable; especially in light of the IRS targeting conservative groups; the deep-state, and officials in the DOJ and FBI trying to use a fake Steele dossier against a political opponent];
  • (039) “Buying health care insurance will be like using Amazon.”; [Ha Ha! Do you remember how screwed up the web-site was, for a very long time? Another lie, and/or a massive example of incompetence];
  • (040) “I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”; [That never happened];
  • (041) “I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year.”; [That didn’t happen];
  • (042) “I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”;
  • (043) “I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration.” [laughable];
  • (044) DOJ spying on the free press telephone calls;
  • (045) Blocking veterans from seeing their own WWII memorials during government shutdown; shutting down white house (people’s house) tours; but allows illegals to protest on the mall during the same government shutdown;
  • (046) Solyndra bankruptcy cost to taxpayer’s;
  • (047) “Obamacare will not be used to fund abortions.”;
  • (048) Eric Holder: “When they go low, we kick them”; way too many other incidents to list here for Eric Holder;
  • (049) Millions losing health care coverage, and forced to spend double and triple for health insurance;
  • (050) RECORD numbrer of people on welfare rolls;
  • (051) RECORD hollywood parties on the taxpayer’s dime;
  • (052) RECORD campaign tours on the taxpayer’s dime;
  • (053) RECORD exorbitant vacations on the taxpayer’s dime; [NOTE: Trump donates his salary to charity];
  • (054) RECORD secret service agents compared to ANY other president, on the taxpayer’s dime;
  • (055) Unconstitutional Obama recess appointment;
  • (056) Taking credit for SEAL Team 6 success;
  • (057) Forcing businesses to violate their religious beliefs about abortion with Obamacare; forcing businesses to provide insurance to fund abortions;
  • (058) Obamacare website no-bid contract website-cronyism that cost $634Mto build (and the website NEVER worked),amazon.com cost (059) Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists with arms and money in Syria, on the taxpayer’s dime;
  • (060) NSA acting as Obama Gestapo, spying in ALL AMERICAN telephone calls;
  • (061) Proposed amnesty for illegal law breakers;
  • (062) Spying on Americans, on American soil, with drones;
  • (063) NEVER had a balanced budget;
  • (064) The Russians invaded Ukraine, (Obama did nothing);
  • (065) 6 million people losing their healthcare, thanks to Obamacare;
  • (066) “The United States maintains a ‘rock-solid’ commitment to Israel”;
  • (067) Illegal fundraising for Obamacare by Katherine Sebelius (solicitation of money from the companies she regulates);
  • (068) Katherine Sebelius TOTAL incompetence in rolling out Obamacare (and Obama did nothing abut it);
  • (069) ex-IRS official Lerner takes 5th amendment; the IRS later paid millions in fines and settlements to conservatives groups that had be targeted by the IRS;
  • (070) Failed to adequately fund our Nation’s military;
  • (071) Higher Spending and No Balanced Budget—EVER; doubled the national debt to about $20 Trillion (a new record);
  • (072) $1.2 Trillion in Higher Taxes (as of JUNE-2014);
  • (073) known Obama supporter is appointed to investigate IRS targeting scandal; lots of stonewalling followed; in the end, the IRS has to pay millions in reparations; but no one has yet to be held accountable in the so-called most accountable and “transparent administration”;
  • (074) former Soviet Union laughs at Obama’s Ukraine sanctions.;
  • (075) Over 70% of Obamacare signups are actually from people who LOST their insurance BECAUSE of Obamacare in the first place!;
  • (076) Obama did NOTHING to prevent some 150,000 people being killed in Syria, and he and the left were silent on the matter;
  • (077) On April 6th, 2014 Obama gave a speech on the 20th anniversary of the genocide in Rwanda lecturing about “the world’s failure to respond more quickly” and that “we always have a choice … we must never be indifferent.”; Then there is Syria? And the red-line?
  • (078) Obama demands “equality” but only pays women in his administration 88% of what it pays men;
  • (079) “We’re focused like lasers on job creation!!!”; however, by the end of Obama’s 8 years, record numbers were collecting food stamps;
  • (080) “Jobs are our number one priority!!!!”; under Obama, employment and the economy (for 8 years) was mediocre, at best;
  • (081) “Republicans still can’t bring themselves to admit that the Affordable Care Act is working.”;
  • (082) “If Republicans want to spend all their time talking about repealing a law that’s working, that’s their business.”;
  • (083) Syria uses chemical weapons, despite crossing Obama’s “red line”, and Obama is silent on the matter;
  • (084) China has become one of the biggest world economies, thanks to “ObamaNomics”.;
  • (085) Obama’s Iran deal was a joke; Obama gave Iran hundreds of billions of dollars, and immediately ramped up work on missiles, and Iran still continued its nuclear programs; John Kerry has had secret, unauthorized meetings with Iran during Trump’s time in office; Iran is one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the world; Iran has vowed to destroy Israel;
  • (086) in 2013, under the direction of Barack Obama, The Immigration and Customs Enforcement released 36,007 illegal immigrants who had been convicted of murder, s*xual assault, kidnapping, and aggravated assault, and drunk or drugged driving (source: cis.org/Report/ICE-Document-Details-36000-Criminal-Alien-Releases-2013 );
  • (087) incompetence at the Veterans Affairs Administration. Our veterans died …. Obama hires a “coverup” specialist Rob Nabors to assist in the White House’s reputation for deception;
  • (088) Many photos of Obama at the White house shows Obama with his feet on the historically significant antique furniture … it shows a lack of respect for its historical significance;
  • (089) 40 veteran patients die after being placed on a hidden waiting list that could last for up to a year, while officials at the hospital shredded documents and faked evidence to make it seem as if waiting times were under control;
  • (090) New Horizons in Presidential Dignity: President Obama does the “Shake Shack Shimmy” during his visit to the sandwich joint in Washington Friday May 17th 2014. U6 unemployment rate: 17.8% ;
  • (091) May 17th 2014: Greater than Fifty million working-age Americans aren’t working, according to the labor department, and Obama pushes immigration plan; record levels of people collecting food stamps under Obama administration;
  • (092) “STINKBURGER”: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/02/obama_paul_ryans_budget_plan_a_stinkburger_or_meanwich.html ;
  • (093) numerous questionable “executive actions” by Obama; some ruled unconstitutional, and Obama has lost in the Supreme Court more than any modern president: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Barack_Obama (Source: www.cato.org/publications/commentary/obama-has-lost-supreme-court-more-any-modern-president);
  • (094) Russia signs a contract with Iran to build two more nuclear reactors at its Bushehr power plant as part of a broader deal for up to eight reactors in the Islamic state;
  • (095) 5-30-14 ILLEGAL negotiation with terrorists: 5 gitmo Taliban terrorist leaders ILLEGALLY released for one American Army deserter: Bowe Berghdahl;
  • (096) Obama released many people from Gitmo, and they committed more terrorist acts, killing 6 U.S. soldiers, and injuring others (www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/25/cory-gardner/how-many-released-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-commit-/); Seriously? As of 23-JAN-2017, several Americans have been killed by the released terrorists; the federal government reported that 17.6% (122 individuals) had been “confirmed of re-engaging” and 12.4% (86 individuals) were suspected of re-engaging in terrorism. George W. Bush released some too, so he is culpable too.
  • (097) Obama negotiates with terrorists to release an army deserter because “we can’t leave an American Behind” but does nothing for the Marine that was being detained illegally in Mexico, arrested in Mexico less than 1 mile from the U.S. border (news.vice.com/article/ex-marine-who-carried-loaded-guns-into-mexico-is-released); Even if Tahmooressi intentionally broke the law, how does the actions of Bergdahl and Tahmooressi compare?
  • (098) Barack Obama’s admits to a what he calls a “boneheaded” move in involving contributor Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a Chicago businessman, in the purchase of his property on June 15, 2005. Rezko’s wife, Rita, also an Obama donor, bought the adjoining plot in Hyde Park from the couple, Fredric Wondisford and Sally Radovick, for the $625,000 asking price, the same day that Obama bought the house for $300,000 less than the asking price. Antoin Rezko was under federal investigation at the time. Rezko was indicted on unrelated fraud charges 16 months later, in October 2006. Obama has since returned about $85,000 in campaign contributions made or raised by Rezko … In January 2006, Rita Rezko sold Obamas’ one-sixth of the lot, for $104,500, to expand their yard;
  • (099) Since Obama’s inauguration in JAN-2009, 1,100 elected Democrats have subsequently been ousted by Republicans, hold only 18 of 50 governorships, and 31 of 99 state legislature chambers. Obama asked Americans to cast their votes for a thumbs-up or thumbs-down, and they did. In almost every respect, Obama leaves behind a trail of failure and disappointment. Obamacare was a healthcare disaster, and Politifact dubbed Obama’s statement, which he repeated over and over (“If you like your health plan, you can keep it”) as the “Lie of the Year”. Obama’s foreign policy was a disaster, and Obama’s rush to pull troops from Iraq and Afghanistan created a vacuum which plunged the region into terror, violence, and inspired lethal terrorist attacks in the west.
  • (100) Obama promised to soothe America’s bitter and divisive politics, but the healer-in-chief never showed up. In Obama’s own words, his political strategy was one of ruthless escalation: Obama said: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” During his 2012 reelection campaign;
  • (101) Obama and his administration had a filibuster-proof Congress in 2009, and failed to pass a pathway to citizenship for the “Dreamer” illegal immigrants; Obama was already too focused on Obamacare and what he thouhgt was going to be his benevolent legacy for America (which turned into a disaster);
  • (102) In Obama’s administration, Hillary Clinton broke the law (by sending classified information through personal email, and for destroying emails), and James Comey and Loretta Lynch (and others in the FBI and DOJ) protected Hillary from being prosecuted. Other people have spent time in prison for far less. Loretta Lynch subsequently met secretly in a private meeting Bill Clinton in Phoenix (29-JUN-2016) to signal Hillary’s exoneration decision by Comey. Hillary Clinton claimed that the private meeting happened by mere “chance”. Scum bags. It was later proven on 5-AUG-2017 that the meeting was “planned”. Lorreta Lynch used an alias email name of “Elizabeth Carlisle” in the letter to Bill Clinton about the meeting in Phoenix on 29-JUN-2016. The public fexoneration statements for Hillary were created before the meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. Peter Strzok was involved in editing and softening the Comey exoneration draft statement, and texts between Strzok and Lisa Page indicate that Loretta Lynch knew in advance that Hillary would be exonerated by Comey.
  • (103) More… What would be found in an investigation of the Clinton Foundation, and many people in the Obama administration (IRS, FBI, DOJ, VA, DNC, Robert Menendez, Lois Lerner, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, John Brennan, etc., etc., etc.) if they were investigated the same way Mueller is investigating the current administration?
  • (104) Think the Obama Administration Wasn’t Corrupt? Think again: www.investors.com/politics/editorials/think-obama-administration-wasnt-corrupt-think-again/
By the way, I was too young to vote for Nixon. Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 12:43 AM
Comment #437704

Oh and BTW who did Gallup poll tell us was the most admired man for the 11gth year running. Well it sure as s**t wasn’t the Trump.

Ya know Hillary was the most admired women for years I wonder if that is why conservatives are so hateful towards her? Always telling lies about here, starting all sorts of rumors, spreading c0onservative propaganda , threatening to jail her.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2019 12:52 AM
Comment #437705
IF Conservatives are what you say, then what are socialist extremists like you?

Evidently a figment of your conservative/fascist/neo-Nazi/oligarchist imagination D.. A result of your fear and hate no doubt.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2019 12:56 AM
Comment #437707
j2t2 said blah, blah, blah, and: Evidently a figment of your conservative/fascist/neo-Nazi/oligarchist imagination D.. A result of your fear and hate no doubt.

OH, you mean nasty, vulgar, racist, hate speech, and name-calling like this ?

Hard to beat that, when it comes to hate, not to mention the utter hypocrisy of accusing others of hate and fear.

j2t2 comes here just to troll and make people angry, but actually only succeeds in making a fool of himself (as demonstrated and memorialized here).

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 1:25 AM
Comment #437713

Gotta hand it to you D., you always manage to ignore the real issues with all your false claims. So once again how many of those lives will be saved should the next $5.7b of wall go up> How many drugs won’t make it across the border because of the wall? What is the ICE saying about saying, based upon their thorough analysis of the amount of drugs and killers making through where they plan on putting the wall?

Tell you what I am gonna do I will post your answer to save you the trouble, because my guess is you don’t have an answer to the real questions. Yet you wonder why I ask “Have you no decency”.

“j2t2’s racist comments, examples of hypocrisy, name-calling, rudeness, and other gems:
* [01] j2t2 wrote: I am proud of each and every one of my comments you have listed here. In fact I am especially proud of the donkey show comment [see #11 below].
* [02] j2t2 wrote: Weary, I haven’t said you [Weary Willie] are a Nazi.
* [03] j2t2 wrote: I am not calling anyone a Nazi.
* [04] j2t2 wrote: Hiding behind populism just like good ol’ Adolph [Hitler], the lot of you.
* [05] j2t2 wrote: you complain about the fascist tag you guys on the right have earned.
* [06] j2t2 wrote: In fact I have said many times here on WB [that] you conservatives here on WB [WatchBlog] remind me of the people of Germany [i.e. Nazis] in the late 20’s and early 30’s.
* [07] j2t2 wrote: Welcome to Trumps America, Zeig Heil !
* [08] j2t2 wrote: The people of Germany, a lot of good people fell for this type of blaming those different from us and look where it lead, they were Zeig Heiling to a dictator a few years later.
* [09] j2t2 wrote: I don’t recall using the term racist or bigot or calling anyone a racist or bigot.
* [10] j2t2 wrote: It may not be fascism, it may be oligarchy that is the problem but never the less you guys are helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.
* [11] j2t2 wrote (comparing conservatives on Watch Blog to “Beastialists” or those that like to watch Beastiality): I didn’t imply anything of the sort. This is what I said: “What’s the difference between the Gringo [a disparaging and/or racist term] tourist at the “Tijuana donkey show” and the conservatives on WB [Watchblog] that believe the repubs on the intelligence committee actually have something of substance to show the American people?”
* [12] j2t2 wrote (comparing Trump supporters to Nazis): Oh look a, Trump rally [see video at j2t2’s link of Nazi supporters in 1939]: God , the flag, nationalism, returning America to the people who founded it, and a liberal protestor to beat on.
* [13] j2t2 wrote: How sad D. that you would think that calling names is your best argument…
* [14] j2t2 wrote: IMHO you guys are falsely setting liberals and dems up for persecution in the coming years.
* [15] j2t2 wrote: I look at you guys [Republicans and conservatives on WatchBlog] and see the good people, and you are good people, that were mislead by the fascist [Hitler] of the last century.
* [16] j2t2 wrote (blames Russia for 2016 election): Who gives a f * * k Obama is gone, Clinton is gone. Trump is here and it is in part due to Russian interference in the election.
* [17] j2t2 wrote: Neither am I a “build a wall on one border to keep the brown guys out” type.
* [18] j2t2 wrote: You have turned into a far right troll who spends his time instigating others into anger.
* [19] j2t2 wrote: Why would the same people who insulted and lied about Obama for 8 years think they deserve respect now that Trump is president?
* [20] j2t2 wrote (blaming Republicans and conservatives): Just doesn’t compare to [pipe]bomb attacks on political opponents does it?
* [21] j2t2 wrote: Yet here we are with conservatives hanging their hats on fearmongering and hatred as a means to win elections.
* [22] j2t2 wrote: Now you act surprised and try to deflect the blame! Go f * * k yourselves. Point the finger at yourselves for buying into the stupid propaganda you have bought into.
* [23] j2t2 wrote: I mean I don’t call anyone that I disagree with names, just those that support the far right or are politically on the far right.
* [24] j2t2 wrote: As far as the synagogue massacre conservatives have only the conservative media and their lies to blame for dehumanizing Jews once again. Look at the code word you guys have used for attacking Jews for the past few years.
* [25] j2t2 wrote: In fact right now I’m rather proud that you have spent the time going through the archives hunting for my words of wisdom.
* [26] j2t2 wrote: The only hypocrisy on this thread is yours.
* [27] j2t2 wrote: “Jeezus what a bunch of f * * ktards these repubs are.”
* [28] j2t2 wrote: Villification of your political opponents how f * * king fascist is that. Of course, I am not surprised.
* [29] j2t2 wrote: Of course Trump rakes in the dough because he charges for them to stay at his place you hypocrite.
* [30] j2t2 wrote: Ahhh D.[d.a.n] phase II of the Big Lie, Zeig Heil D., Goebbels would be proud.
* [31] j2t2 wrote: WTF does it take for you to realize the cognitive dissonance is yours?
* [32] j2t2 wrote: Wow if this doesn’t remind you of a circle jerk what else would?
* [33] j2t2 wrote: Seems to me we have heard enough lies from Trump and his followers the past two years. It’s time for Putin’s b * * ch to hit the road.
I always thought his 4 years would teach the ignorant f * * ks that voted for him enough, but I was wrong. They have doubled down on stupid it seems.
* [34] j2t2 wrote: Putin’s b * * ch is an acurate description of the facts. That man [Trump] is owned by Putin, therefore he is Putin’s b * * ch.
* [35] j2t2 wrote: Seems you guys [on Watchblog] just want to keep out the brown skinned families.
* [36] j2t2 wrote: He [Trump] promised you so much and … well f * * k you … he is too busy selling out to the Russian oligarchs. Putin’s b * * ch sold you guys out and you aren’t man enough to admit it.
* [37] j2t2 wrote: WTF were the CAtholics doing sending a bunch of CAtholic school kids to a political ralley? Since they have a tax exempt status, shouldn’t they stay out of politicis?
* [38] j2t2 wrote: The term fascist needs to be shouted from the rooftop during this reign of conservatism and the rise of populism.
* [39] j2t2 wrote: Yet Trump, you and many on the right support the neo-Nazis!
* [40] j2t2 wrote (address Royal Flush): Maybe it’s time to grow the f * * k up and realize Trump’s campaign team are the bad guys
* [41] j2t2 wrote: Y’all f**cked it [Obamacare] up with malice and bad intentions….
* [42] j2t2 wrote: Really D.[d.a.n] have you no decency?
* [43] j2t2 wrote: So yeah once again it is BS and you [d.a.n] have no decency.
* [44] j2t2 wrote: FFS guys, have you no decency?
* [45] j2t2 wrote: Both you clowns make these claims but cannot back them up. You divert and deflect. Have you no decency?
* [46] j2t2 wrote: Have you no decency?
* [47] j2t2 wrote: Because…wait for it…..wait for it…….. I am proud of those comments [above].”

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2019 7:14 AM
Comment #437715

Great!
So glad you like it!
Could you also post phx8’s and Ed O’hrealy’s “words of wisdom” and “great” comments ?
They are posted here.

Interesting how you keep ignoring these 12 facts.

Funny that you keep asking …

j2t2 wrote: “Have you no decency”.
… while you repeatedly spew more nasty, vulgar, racist, hate speech.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 8:17 AM
Comment #437717

“This $5.7b do we even know where the Border patrol is planning on putting the wall?”

As we have done in the past, the barriers will be erected in vulnerable and high traffic areas.

“Is there any projections from the border patrol that would indicate just how the new wall will reduce the number of killings and the amount of drugs coming into the country?”

Common sense tells us that the fewer illegal aliens in the country, the fewer crimes that can be committed by illegal aliens.

As far as the drugs: “When drug smuggling moved to the ports of entry, it was by design. The idea was that fences would divert drug trafficking to one area: the ports.”

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/drug-trafficking-smuggling-cartels-tunnels/559814001/

“You are good at the fearmongering stats but anything that would actually justify a wall is in short supply.”

There are plenty of reasons and examples that justify a wall, but perhaps the best one is that in places where it is used, it does what it is designed to do: deter and funnel.
If it didn’t, actual democrats would not have overwhelmingly supported barriers just a few short years ago.
This is ALL about President Trump and discouraging his support in the 2020 elections.

“Yet conservatives are trying to sell more wall as the answer”

Nice newspeak, but not the least bit true. Barriers are only an important part of the answer and any objective person could admit that they are a very important part of any security plan.

Posted by: kctim at February 5, 2019 10:07 AM
Comment #437718

The wall is only part of the solution.
This has been explained to j2t2 many times.
Either j2t2 is playing dumb, or j2t2 truly has a serious comprehension problem, probably caused by blind hate.
Most people of average intelligence understand.
j2t2 is not really coming here to debate honestly.
j2t2 is a troll whose sole purpose is to come here to piss off people, because j2t2 enjoys it.

j2t2 does not care about 2,000 homicides per year (5.5 per day) by criminal non-citizens, or 117 deaths per day due to overdoses from drugs (90% crossing U.S./Mexico border).

phx8 already wrote he is fine with open borders.

phx8 wrote:“As for immigration, I would be fine with open borders.”

j2t2, phx8, and Ed O’hrealy don’t want to debate. They only want to spew nasty, vulgar, racist, hate speech, as exemplified by H E R E, and promote their socialist extremism. And anyone who disagrees is called Racists ! , Fascists ! , Nazis ! , Neo Nazis ! , Brown Shirts ! , Beastialists ! , White Nationalists ! , Sexists ! , Misogynists ! , Xenophobes ! , Anti-Semites !, Authoritarian Right-Wing Conservatives ! , Bigots !, Zeig Heil !, F**ktards !, etc., etc., etc… . . name-calling that is always a sure sign of a weak and failing arguments.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 10:57 AM
Comment #437721

“How is that big tax break for all us middle class people working out for you guys?”

Working well for me j2t2. Guess you didn’t notice this important point…you must have income to get a reduction in taxes. Yeah…we know…that’s unfair. You folks want a tax refund without paying any tax. You folks want guaranteed government income to be paid out of my pocket, and the pocket of all those who do work and earn. You folks are an abomination.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 5, 2019 2:11 PM
Comment #437722

It is possible that our Liberal Pal’s obsession with big government is an honest attempt to eliminate poverty as we know it today. They believe when government controls everything, all will be fair.

I agree. We will all be equally poor, miserable, and slaves.

Some say a little socialism is better than a lot of capitalism. I say…prove it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 5, 2019 2:25 PM
Comment #437724

I find it entertaining to read Liberal comments dishing President Trump’s accomplishment. They use the most nasty language and outright lies their pitiful minds can conjure.

Normal Americans have prospered under changes fostered by the president. Malcontents unwilling to participate in our great economy continue to wail and cry.

We all know how well the economy is doing as the decibel level of Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist lies and outrage increases proportionally.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 5, 2019 2:41 PM
Comment #437727
We all know how well the economy is doing as the decibel level of Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist lies and outrage increases proportionally.

And that is your measuring stick! My comments are your measuring stick! No wonder you believe Trump is doing so well look at the standards you have set for him! But in the real world all he has done is not run the bus off the mountain. Nothing great so far he just hasn’t crashed the economy yet. Yet we are the abomination.

j2t2 does not care about 2,000 homicides per year (5.5 per day) by criminal non-citizens,

You know what I care about D.? A bit of truth, tell you what show me the 5.5 for the past week. That should be 27.5 deaths due to illegals this past 5 days or 38.5 for the past 7 days, show’em to me. Certainly they made the news what with the Big Lie about the border wall the past month. I know of one.

Could you also post phx8’s and Ed O’hrealy’s “words of wisdom” and “great” comments

Nope, that is your job. But I was wondering if you could keep up on mine a bit better, I’m sure you have missed several gems of wisdom.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2019 7:10 PM
Comment #437728

Royal Flush,
Yes, it can be entertaining to see the extremists twist like a pretzel while trying to prop up their failing arguments.
However, it is disturbing that some people:

  • can be so consumed with hate; they go ballistic when they see a “MAGA” hat or T-shirt;
  • have such a deep sense of entitlement of what others own;
  • want the government to take care of them from cradle-to-grave, and wipe their lazy butts for them;
  • want to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality;
  • want more power for THEIR party via massive illegal immigration;
  • want more free stuff;
  • want open-borders; they don’t care about illegal immigration; they don’t care about 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (61% higher homicide rate than U.S. citizens); sources: sources: DHS, GAO, cis.org, www.cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-bannister/dems-snub-dhs-presentation-detailing-illegal-immigration-threat-during ; www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf ; (proof that j2t2 claims does not exist; the Main Stream Media rarely reports any of it);
  • want more POWER for THEIR party by despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for more votes, money, and power;
  • don’t care about $300+ Billion per year in net losses due to illegal immigration (not including the cost of crime by criminal non-citizens);
  • want more sanctuary cities and states;
  • want to abolish I.C.E.;
  • want another amnesty like the shamnesty of 1986;
  • want non-citizens to vote in U.S. elections;
  • want to give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, and automatically register them to vote at the same time;
  • reject a [x]citizenship check-box on the decennial CENSUS;
  • reject eVerify to verify eligibility for employment;
  • love mayors like Libby Schaaf (Oakland, CA), who warns illegal immigrants (including criminal illegal immigrants) before an ICE raid to arrest criminal illegal immigrants;
  • love Xavier Becerra (A.G. of CA.), who passed sanctuary city and state laws that protect criminal non-citizens (e.g. where an illegal immigrant, Garcia Zarate (already deported 5 times) can shoot and murder Kate Steinle, and be acquitted for that murder);
  • want to abolish or restrict 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens;
  • want to want to restrict or eliminate 2nd amendment rights, and (hypocritically) say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens (as of JAN-2019; sources: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-bannister/dems-snub-dhs-presentation-detailing-illegal-immigration-threat-during ; www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf)
  • attack anyone who disagrees with their socialist extremism (an element of fascism).
  • can be so depraved, as exemplified by their nefarious motives shown above, which reveals a common-thread, and ample proof of many Democrats’ (and similar ilk) despicable strategy to pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, by pandering to illegal immigrants for 30+ years, for more votes (via more representation in the House, via more U.S. House representatives, via apportionment of representatives (and more electoral votes, and more federal funding), based on population, based on the decennial CENSUS, which does NOT verify U.S. citizenship);
  • who have no clue about the meaning of “live and let live”.
As a result, the lives of these losers most likely have a long history of dysfunctional relationships and failures (and probably worse), because people that adhere to those traits above, have no moral compass, they are severely selfish, they hate this country, and they have no respect for the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, or other people who do respect the U.S. Constitution and U.S. laws.

These extremist losers are “Cheaters”. They are parasites, who want to ride in the wagon, while everyone else pushes the wagon.
That Master-Cheaters are the master-parasites, who want to control everything, and be responsible and accountable for nothing.
They want to plunder what others own (i.e. legal plunder; to twist the laws and law enforcement to do the very things that the laws were originally supposed to prevent).

To describe these extremist cheaters (based on their behavior above) as toxic and depraved is an under-statement.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 7:26 PM
Comment #437731

Wow do I feel baited after this diatribe of myth and misinformation by the Big Lie himself, D.. He is a master at mischaracterization and disinformation. A master at not responding to the issue with his illogical conclusions.

Yes, D. is a master baiter.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2019 10:59 PM
Comment #437733

j2t2 proves (again) why this description fits him (and other socialist extremists) so well.

Feel free anytime to disprove the DHS, GAO, and CIS (sources: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-bannister/dems-snub-dhs-presentation-detailing-illegal-immigration-threat-during ; www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf ; site2data.com/homicides1.html ).

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 11:27 PM
Comment #437734
j2t2 wrote (something revealing): Wow do I feel baited after this diatribe of myth and misinformation by the Big Lie himself, D.. He is a master at mischaracterization and disinformation. A master at not responding to the issue with his illogical conclusions. Yes, D. is a master baiter (more nasty, vulgar, hate speech by j2t2).
Why should you feel baited, unless you thought this description of a socialist extremist is referring to you? After all, your name (i.e. j2t2) was not mentioned in that description.
Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 11:37 PM
Comment #437735

WHhaaa Whaa … Guess the show fits, eh? How’s that making your life wonderful there in Colorado?

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 11:46 PM
Comment #437736

CORRECTION: Guess the show shoe fits, eh?

j2t2 wrote: A master at not responding to the issue …
Not true. You only don’t like the answers (i.e. truth), and prefer to keep doing this.
Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2019 11:52 PM
Comment #437767

D., your anger is showing. Sorry I wasn’t here to respond to your comment… well…not really….it is kinda funny watching you, the master baiter, trolling and getting more hateful and angry with each passing minute. But I did read the “Why should you feel baited, unless you thought this description of a socialist extremist is referring to you? After all, your name (i.e. j2t2) was not mentioned in that description.”, had a good laugh and left for the day.

Are you suggesting that you weren’t directing that rant at me? Tell the tru…. oh never mind why start now.

Yes you have accused me of “failing arguments” on numerous different threads. You have accused me of being an extremist and you probably believe someone is actually twisting like a pretzel. So I did respond now it’s your turn man up D. and tell the truth who were you talking about?

Anyway can you show us the 5.5 deaths from today or yesterday or any day this past week? Talk about twisting like a pretzel.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 6, 2019 7:32 PM
Comment #437772
j2t2 wrote: D., your anger is showing
Not true. What sounds angry? Why should I care if you’re making a fool of yourself (repeatedly)?
j2t2 whined:… tell the truth who were you talking about?
You, IF shoe fits (which it does; perfectly).
j2t2 wrote: Anyway can you show us the 5.5 deaths from today or yesterday or any day this past week?
Easy. It’s been here all along (follow the links to DHS, GAO, and other reports of each). You’d know that already if you weren’t so lazy and brainwashed (sources: GAO: www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf ; DSH: www.cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-bannister/dems-snub-dhs-presentation-detailing-illegal-immigration-threat-during ; National Review: www.nationalreview.com/corner/crime-illegal-immigration/ ).
I cannot show you news all of the news articles, because most of the Main Stream Media refuses to report it.
All of the data is from the GAO, DHS, and some other journalists who also analyzed the data.
Feel free anytime to disprove it (if you aren’t too lazy; a common problem with socialist extremists who prefer to parasitically live off of others).

By the way, one homicide by a criminal non-citizen in the U.S. is one too much.
Especially since many Democrats (and similar ilk) want to abolish or restrict 2nd amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 6, 2019 10:29 PM
Comment #437775

j2t2,
And before you (ignorantly) say the Main Stream Media (MSM) would report all of those homicides by criminal non-citizens each year, then you would also have to explain why the MSM also does not report the 44 homicides per day (on average, based on the total of 16,072 homicides per year in the U.S. in year 2018) ?
Only because the MSM does not report all homicides each day, does not mean that those 44 homicides (per day, on average) did not happen in year 2018.

Also, as incredible as this sounds, many sanctuary cities and states release criminal non-citizens, who commit more subsequent crimes.
For example:

  • (a) In 2014, the Obama administration released from its custody 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a total of 79,059 convictions ( 2.6 convictions per criminal illegal immigrant), instead of deporting them.
  • (b) Between October 1, 2010 and July 21, 2015, the Obama administration released 124 criminal aliens who were later charged with murder-related crimes committed in the U.S. after their release, and before February 2016.
    Source: cis.org/Vaughan/Free-Kill-124-Criminal-Aliens-Released-Obama-Policies-Charged-Homicide-2010
  • (c) Obama released many from Gitmo, and they committed more terrorist acts, killing and injuring more people (www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/25/cory-gardner/how-many-released-guantanamo-bay-prisoners-commit-/); As of 23-JAN-2017, several Americans (6 or more) have been killed by the released terrorists; the federal government reported that 17.6% (122 individuals) had been “confirmed of re-engaging” and 12.4% (86 individuals) were suspected of re-engaging in terrorism.
As you can see here (search for drunk), many homicides (manslaughter) are caused by non-citizens driving under the influence (and that is only a small percentage of the millions of crimes per year by non-citizens in the U.S.).

Regarding Afghanistan, as Trump said on 5-FEB-2019, “Great nations do not fight endless wars”.
Afghanistan is still full of the intolerant Islamic fundamentalist Taliban, and there is no easy way to fix that. Afghanistan is messed up, has been for many decades, and will probably remain that way for a very long time.
Is the risk to U.S. troops in Afghanistan worth it ?
Does the The U.S. need military bases in over 70 countries, and a military presence in 150 (of 195) countries (which excludes the Navy or Marine Corps at sea).
There are still 40,000 U.S. troops and 179 U.S. bases in Germany alone.
There are still 50,000 U.S. troops and 109 U.S. bases in Japan. Is all of that worth it ?

Posted by: d.a.n at February 7, 2019 1:17 AM
Comment #437805
117 deaths per day (4.9 deaths per hour) due to drug over-doses (90% from across the U.S./Mexico border

Umm… D., are you suggesting none of these overdoses are due to Big-Pharma pills prescribed by Doctors that have nothing to do with immigrants? You would have us believe every hour 5 people die from imported heroin not from the Fentanyl epidemic? Anyway you site no source and your figures don’t add up to those from the CDC.

I cannot show you news all of the news articles, because most of the Main Stream Media refuses to report it.

The MSM refuses to report it! What kind of excuse is that D.? Are you telling us the conservative propaganda machine isn’t reporting these killings either? Wonder why? I would suggest it is because they don’t exist to the extnet you claim.

All of the data is from the GAO, DHS, and some other journalists who also analyzed the data.

So let me get this straight D.. The GAO and the DHS are part of the same government you claim cannot do anything right? Yet these statistics are spot on? Which is it the government can’t do anything right or the government can and does a great job?

Regarding Afghanistan, as Trump said on 5-FEB-2019, “Great nations do not fight endless wars”.

Finally something Trump gets right. What kind of country goes into Venezuela to overthrow an elected leader and installs someone they picked without the people of the country voting them into office.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 7, 2019 1:17 PM
Comment #437806

“What kind of country goes into Venezuela to overthrow an elected leader…”

Perhaps j2t2 will tell us the answer.

Hmmm…were Hitler and Mussolini elected leaders?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 7, 2019 1:29 PM
Comment #437808
Hmmm…were Hitler and Mussolini elected leaders?

Better watch out Royal, D. will get all butt hurt and start a list of your comments if you keep comparing Trump with Hitler and Mussolini. Even if your comparisons are accurate.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 7, 2019 4:27 PM
Comment #437811
Working well for me j2t2. Guess you didn’t notice this important point…you must have income to get a reduction in taxes.


Spoken like a true elitist Royal. Unfortunately many “>https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/middle-class-dad-freak-trump-211032057.html”> middle class dads aren’t feeling the love. Seems they may have had their eyes opened about the Trump.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 7, 2019 8:56 PM
Comment #437812
j2t2 wrote: D., are you suggesting none of these overdoses are due to Big-Pharma pills prescribed by Doctors that have nothing to do with immigrants?
No. Doctors in the U.S. are also culpable. Among the more than 70,200 drug overdose deaths estimated in 2017, the sharpest increase occurred among deaths related to fentanyl and fentanyl analogs (other synthetic narcotics) with more than 28,400 overdose deaths (Source: CDC WONDER).
However, heroin is an illegal drug, which accounts for 42 deaths per day. Enough illegal fentanyl has crossed the U.S./Mexico border to kill everyone in the U.S. several times over.
Therefore, a large percentage of the 117 deaths (42 due to heroin) per day is due to illegal drugs crossing the U.S. / Mexico border. Yet, you still fail to see a problem? You still attempt to obfuscate? Nothing new there. It’s expected, when one understands the mindset of a socialist extremist (i.e. cheater).
j2t2 wrote: The MSM refuses to report it! What kind of excuse is that D.? Are you telling us the conservative propaganda machine isn’t reporting these killings either? Wonder why? I would suggest it is because they don’t exist to the extnet you claim.
Nonsense. In 2018, there was a total of 16,072 homicides (44 per day, on average).
Did you see reports in the Main Stream Media of those 44 homicides? Of course not.
Otherwise, the MSM would be reporting about 2 homicides per hour, which they are not (though it is happening, but the MSM is not reporting it). What part of that do you not understand? Do you see 44 homicides reported daily in the Main Stream Media? IF you do, where? Please show us the sources.
j2t2 wrote: So let me get this straight D.. The GAO and the DHS are part of the same government you claim cannot do anything right? Yet these statistics are spot on? Which is it the government can’t do anything right or the government can and does a great job?
Correct. The federal government rarely does anything well, and it is NOT doing a good job on these statistics, because: IF the federal government, GAO, and DHS has been doing a better job at collecting statistics, there would most likely be data that proves that the levels of homicides and other crimes by criminal non-citizens is MUCH worse.
After all, as more and more recent data becomes available, the worse it looks in terms of homicides and crimes by criminal non-citizens. Also, IF the federal government was doing their job, the borders would ALREADY be secured. Democrats are mostly to blame for failing to secure the borders, because many Democrates pander to illegal immigrants, encourage illegal immigration, encourage massive illega immigration, and despicably pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for more votes, money, and power.

But feel free anytime to try to disprove what little bit of data that the GAO, DHS, CIS.org, and FairUS.org have so far.
I seriously doubt you will thoroughly research it, because: (a)you are too lazy, as many socialist extremists are, and (b)you don’t want to know the truth.

Besides, many Democrats (and similar ilk) consistently want to abolish or restrict 2nd amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens. No hypocrisy there, eh?

By the way, ONE homicide by a criminal non-citizen in the U.S. is ONE too many. It is preventable, and it should have never happened.

j2t2 wrote: Better watch out Royal, D. will get all butt hurt and start a list of your comments if you keep comparing Trump with Hitler and Mussolini. Even if your comparisons are accurate.
Nope. Royal Flush gets it.
Roy Ellis, dbs, kctim, dbs, and some others get it, and they are not socialist extremists.
You can tell a lot about a person by what they write over many years.
Your’s [j2t2’s], phx8’s, and Ed O’hrealy’s comments (stretching back to 2006 or earlier) are listed here because you claim to be proud of them, you claim to like it, you have stated your gratitude many times, and you have even repeated your lists all by yourselves. Since you are so proud of them, and if your comments are so “great” as portrayed by phx8, then they should be shown as often as possible, for all to see, and to give insight into your wonderful character. IF you are truly “proud” of your own comments, then you should not mind, eh?
At any rate, only a fool can make a fool of one’s self.
Posted by: d.a.n at February 7, 2019 9:22 PM
Comment #437813
j2t2 wrote: Unfortunately, many middle class dads aren’t feeling the love.
Ha ha! That’s not Trump’s fault. Good try though.

The elimination (or cap) of some deductions was a good thing, because it ends the indirect subsidies by states with no (or low) state income taxes to the states with high state income taxes.

It is the fault of the state governments (i.e. CA=13.3%, HA=11%, OR:9.9%, IA=8.9%, NJ=8.97%,VT=8.95%, DC=8.95%, NY=8.82%, WI=7.65%, etc.) where those people live, where state income taxes are very high, and tax payers were previously getting their high state income tax deductions subsidized by states that do not have high state income taxes.

Therefore, IF those people don’t like it, they should move to states with ZERO or lower state income taxes.
The should not blame Trump for that; they should blame their states for those exorbitant state income taxes.
It does not surprise me one bit that Democrats will try to shift blame for this to Trump, when the changes actually made the tax system more fair, by eliminating (or cap) of the indirect subsidies by states with no (or low) state income taxes to the states with high state income taxes.

The tax code is already full of TOO MANY deductions, which actually make the tax system more regressive.
And they should be happy about the elimination (or cap) of deductions that only make the tax system more unfair.
It is not the job of the federal government and other states to make up for the states that have low (or ZERO) state income taxes.

But j2t2 did not tell you about any of that stuff about state income taxes.
j2t2 (sufferring from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)) only wants to try to find things (no matter how false or flimsy) to reinforce his hatred of Trump, conservatives, anyone who disagrees with him, or his socialist etremism.

j2t2 did not bother to tell you why some people’s taxes were increased, and why it is more fair to all states.
Perhaps j2t2 doesn’t care, since j2t2 wants a nanny state that will give him everything for free. Don’t worry j2t2, IF you have any income to report, the state income tax in Colorado is only 4.63%. I am in Texas, where the state income tax is $ZERO.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 7, 2019 10:09 PM
Comment #437817

CORRECTION: It is not the job of the federal government and other states to make up for the states that have low (or ZERO) state income taxes.
It is not the job of the federal government and states with low (or ZERO) state income taxes, to subsidize the tax deductions in states with high state income taxes.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 7, 2019 11:39 PM
Comment #437825

Look D., another conservative propagandist using inflated numbers! Who would have thought?
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/rep-matt-gaetz-lies-gun-224657337.html

Yet, you still fail to see a problem? You still attempt to obfuscate? Nothing new there. It’s expected, when one understands the mindset of a socialist extremist (i.e. cheater).

It’s not a matter of seeing a problem it is more a matter of quantifying the problem D.. Your gross exaggerations only serve the fearmongers and haters. Even your 42 deaths a day is an exaggeration as more than half the heroin deaths are due to a combination of fentanyl and heroin.

As far as your laughable framing of the tax hike for the middle class…..thanks for the laugh. Total nonsense. The tax code on the Federal level was used to punish the higher income tax states because of the perception they are Dem states. It was the federal tax code that changed not the states. It was a Trump led attack on the middle class. The false assumption that somehow the lower income tax states subsidize higher rate states is wrong when we see the lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2019 8:58 AM
Comment #437826

“Gaetz drew complaints from the audience as he tried to argue that violence caused by undocumented immigrants is worse than the toll of gun violence in the United States.”

https://www.ice.gov/features/100-days

- The arrest of convicted criminal aliens climbed nearly 20 percent, from 25,786 last year to 30,473 this year.

- Violent crimes such as homicide, rape, kidnapping and assault accounted for more than 2,700 convictions.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1398/remove-criminal-undocumented-immigrants/

- ICE also reported close to 5,900 removals of known or suspected gang members in 2018 and about 5,400 in 2017.

At the same time, ICE said it removed 45 known or suspected terrorists in 2017 and 42 in 2018.

Violence caused by illegal aliens is a big problem. It is also a preventable problem, which makes it worse. Probably pointless to bring it up at a meeting to discuss an unenforceable law requiring background checks for every firearm sale, though.

Posted by: kctim at February 8, 2019 10:09 AM
Comment #437829
kctim wrote: Violence caused by illegal aliens is a big problem. It is also a preventable problem, which makes it worse.
kctim, Thanks for that data !

How does it make you feel when Socialist extremists (like j2t2, open-borders phx8, and Ed O’hrealy) trivialize the millions of crimes per year?
Imagine how the millions of family and survivors of the victims feel about those crimes by criminal non-citizens.

Socialist extremists, who want open-borders, don’t care about that, are they are trying very hard to obfuscate and ignore the thousands of homicides per year, and the millions of victims of other crimes (per year) by criminal non-citizens, as evidenced by their continual attempts to try to trivialize it, and perpetuate the lie that non-citizens commit fewer crimes than U.S. citizens.
Even if that were true, it still would not console the survivors of the millions of victims (per year), since those should have been preventable crimes; those are all crimes that should have never happened.
Sanctuary cities and states are havens for criminal non-citizens, and many Democrats (and similar ilk) not only defend it, but they also promote it. Xavier Beccera, the Attorney General of California, threatend to prosecute anyone who attempts to cooperate with I.C.E. California, and other sanctuary cities and states choose to protect criminal non-citizens. How much lower can they get?

Regarding the 2nd Amendment, many Democrats and socialist extremists (like j2t2, open-borders phx8, and Ed O’hrealy) consistently want to abolish or restrict 2nd Amendment rights, and say it is worth it “even if it saves only ONE life”, but they conveniently ignore 2,000 homicides per year by criminal non-citizens, and millions of victims (per year) of crimes by non-citizens.
Their hypocrisy has no bounds?

Posted by: d.a.n at February 8, 2019 11:42 AM
Comment #437831
j2t2 wrote (more lies): Your gross exaggerations only serve the fearmongers and haters.
Nonsense. You are claiming that the GAO and DHS are lying? Prove it.
j2t2 wrote (more lies): As far as your laughable framing of the tax hike for the middle class…..thanks for the laugh.
How is this a tax increase?
PERSONAL TAXES:
  • 2017 ____ 2019-to-2025___single____________married
  • 10% _____ 10%________ $0-$9,525 _________$0-$19,050
  • 15% _____ 12%________ $9,525-$38,700_____$19,050-$77,400
  • 25% _____ 22%________ $38,700-$82,500____$77,400-$165,000
  • 28% _____ 24%________ $82,500-$157,500___$165,000-$315,000
  • 33% _____ 32%________ $157,500-$200,000__$315,000-$400,000
  • 33%-35% _ 35%________ $200,000-$500,000__$400,000-$600,000
  • 39.6% ____ 37%________ $500,000+ _________$600,000+
There were no tax increases.
There was also an increase in the child tax credit.
There were some changes to the numerous deductions, which are ripe for abuse.

The following changes were made:

  • (01)The standard $6,350 deduction was increased ($12K to $24K);
  • (02)Personal exemptions were eliminated (which as up to $4050 per person; offset by the increased standard deduction);
  • (03)Unlimited state and local tax deductions (now capped at $10K).
  • (04)A $1 million mortgage interest deduction (capped lowered from $1 Million to $750K).
  • (05)An unrestricted deduction for home equity loan interest (limited now only to home improvements and limited to loans of $750K).
  • (06)Deductions for unreimbursed employee expenses (eliminated 2% of gross income deduction; this may help incentivize employers to pay for employment-related expenses).
  • (07)Miscellaneous itemized deductions (eliminates several deductions; i.e. financial services fees; tax prep fees; investment fees; professional dues; and a long list of other fees).
  • (08)A deduction for moving expenses (limited now only to members of the military).
  • (09)Unrestricted casualty loss deduction (now restricted only to designated disaster zones).
  • (10)Alimony deduction (since the recipient is not taxed, the payor can no longer deduct it, nor any divorce related legal fees).
  • (11)Deductions for certain school donations (i.e. alumni donations, season ticket purchases, etc.).
  • (12)Deductions from tax extenders (elimination of deductions for mortgage insurance premiums, college tuition and fees, etc.).
The details of each of the above are listed here.

j2t2 lied (again): The tax code on the Federal level was used to punish the higher income tax states because of the perception they are Dem states.
Nonsense. The elimination It is not a punishment. It is simply doing what is fair. Why should other states with lower (or ZERO) state income taxes subsidize states with very high state income taxes, via tax deductions for those state taxes on their federal income tax assessments? What part of that do you not understand?
j2t2 lied (again): The false assumption that somehow the lower income tax states subsidize higher rate states is wrong when we see the lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.
Not true. Many states with zero (or low) state income tax, also receive less money (per capita) back from the federal government. States with high state income taxes are gaming the tax system by relying on the subsidies via state income tax deductions on their federal income tax assessments. Fortunately, that abuse is being addressed.

Good try, but your attempts to try to stir up hate for Trump, and label the tax changes as a “Trump led attack on the middle class” are laughable.

The highest income tax states (CA=13.3%, HA=11%, OR:9.9%, IA=8.9%, NJ=8.97%,VT=8.95%, DC=8.95%, NY=8.82%, WI=7.65%, etc.) are now capped at $10K for deductions of their local and state income taxes.
In my opinion, there should be no federal tax deductions for local and state income taxes, because it is unfair to states with lower (or ZERO) state income taxes. In Texas, there is no state income tax, and Texas (ranked 43rd) only receives only $0.57 for every $1 dollar send to the federal government.
There is no doubt that taxpayers in high income tax states benefit the most from the federal deduction for those state taxes.
So, j2t2’s theory that only states with high state income taxes are being punished is nonsense, since Texas (with ZERO state income tax), and some other states, pay more to the federal government than it gets back.

So, again, j2t2 never tires of being wrong, and sees everything through the lenses of a socialist extremist.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 8, 2019 12:03 PM
Comment #437833

“How does it make you feel when Socialist extremists (like j2t2, open-borders phx8, and Ed O’hrealy) trivialize the millions of crimes per year?”

I pay the childish emotional hatred posted by ohrealy no mind, d.a.n. Most leftists hide their inability to deal with facts in the same way.

Today’s versions of J2 and Phx8 sadden me, though.
Years and years of respectful and rational debate replaced with hatred and name-calling at all who disagree with them.

Posted by: kctim at February 8, 2019 12:38 PM
Comment #437834

“It is not the job of the federal government and states with low (or ZERO) state income taxes, to subsidize the tax deductions in states with high state income taxes.”

The quote of the week award goes to d.a.n. for this succinct and true comment.

Liberals/Progressives/Socialists and Commies disagree. They hate having to pay their own bills.

“…lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.”

I challenge j2t2 to prove this silly comment. He won’t, he can’t.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 8, 2019 1:39 PM
Comment #437836

Wow…who could have predicted this outcome? People are happy sitting on their ass collecting money from those who work.

Finland’s basic income trial boosts happiness but not employment

Chicago Dems want to try this in their city too. They are nearly bankrupt, so we guess the free money will simply buy votes.

Mayoral task force recommends paying struggling Chicagoans $1,000 a month

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 8, 2019 2:00 PM
Comment #437838

Sorry, here are the links

http://news.trust.org/item/20190208110119-hyky5 Finland link

https://abc7chicago.com/5127392/ Chicago link

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 8, 2019 2:08 PM
Comment #437839

Sorry, here are the links

http://news.trust.org/item/20190208110119-hyky5 Finland link

https://abc7chicago.com/5127392/ Chicago link

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 8, 2019 2:09 PM
Comment #437842
Royal Flush wrote: Wow…who could have predicted this outcome? People are happy sitting on their ass collecting money from those who work.
Yes, not everyone, but some people are happy to be parasites.
And, not all, but many politicians (i.e. master-parasites) are all too happy to pander and use promises of free stuff to acquire votes, money, and power, which politicians use to control everything, while being responsible and accountable for nothing.

However, such systems are doomed to fail.
The people who produce something, who are forced to pay taxes for those that get the free stuff, simply move to another state (or country). That’s why people are leaving California and New York state in droves. More people are leaving New York and Illinois than any other states. For California, there was also a huge net loss of 130,000 residents in 2017 (source: top out-bound states).
Those states are also sanctuary states.

HHMMmmmm … maybe it would be better to build border walls/fences around those states?

Similarly, when corporations were taxed much higher (i.e. 35%) than the global average corporate tax rate (of about 20%), companies simply moved their money, jobs, and companies to other countries with lower corporate taxes. Duh!

Socialist extremists perpetuate the myth that we can all somehow live at the expense of everyone else.
How did that work out for Venezuela, East Germany (ended 1990), Ethiopia (ended 1991), Poland (ended 1989), Romania (ended 1990), USSR (ended 1991), and some other nations that are struggling with problems inherent to socialism?

So, because the socialist extremists need to get more money from somewhere, they target the wealthy with 70% (or higher) tax rates, to try to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality.

So, the master-parasites in government (mostly Democrats), who want votes, control, and power, want to pervert existing laws to legally plunder the wealthy, and to do the very things the laws were originally supposed to prevent (via tax hikes as high as 70%, or higher).

Ed O’hrealy exemplifies this attitude perfectly, who wrote: The rates [70%] proposed by AOC [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] are far too low … . The third part of this [AOC’s plan] should be a 100 year 100% inheritance tax to undo what the reich wing has done over the last 40 years.
HHMMmmm … how revealing.
Posted by: d.a.n at February 8, 2019 4:07 PM
Comment #437843
Liberals/Progressives/Socialists and Commies disagree. They hate having to pay their own bills. “…lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.” I challenge j2t2 to prove this silly comment. He won’t, he can’t.


Royal we have been over this before, why would you be so foolish as to think the gibberish D. tells us is anything but the Big Lie? Any way here is the proof you asked for.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2019 4:30 PM
Comment #437847
j2t2 lies (again):. Royal we have been over this before, why would you be so foolish as to think the gibberish D. tells us is anything but the Big Lie? Any way here is the proof you asked for.
j2t2’s link does not prove that Democrat (blue) states pay more in federal taxes (per capita) than Republican (red) states. IF it did, j2t2 would have identified where (exactly) in the article that proof exists. Especially, since the map shows many states that get a lot of federal aid (such as OR, HI, OH, ME, RI, VT,NM). Compare the federal aid map to this red/purple/blue map.

Texas (with a population larger than New York) is near on par with New York, OK, AR, FL, WY, TX, NC, IA, MI, IN, etc.)

So, j2t2 is desperately grasping at straws; desperate to stir up hate against Trump, but failing (again) to provide credible proof.
j2t2 just lazily posts this and that link, hoping to see what sticks, or fools anyone.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 8, 2019 6:21 PM
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Also, for all of those states that were able to deduct their state income taxes on their federal taxes, it is only fair that they should receive less federal aid anyway. Whaa whaaa …

Posted by: d.a.n at February 8, 2019 6:28 PM
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““…lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.”

I challenged j2t2 to prove it. He linked to a reference from 2014. Of course, the measurement doesn’t consider aid to states with natural disasters, or spending on roads, infrastructure and much more.

The obvious omission by j2t2 and his chart is the lack of a link between low state taxes and high federal largess, his original premise.

If what he claims is true, would it not make sense for high tax states to lower their taxes to gain more federal money?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 9, 2019 1:39 PM
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j2t2’s link does not prove that Democrat (blue) states pay more in federal taxes (per capita) than Republican (red) states.

Of course j2t2 said ““…lower tax states get more federal revenue than higher tax states.””. Not what D’ diversion claims I said. Not only that D. Trump is the one who called the higher state tax states dem states, not me. The intention of the Trump tax “reform” was to penalize these states. The link serves very well to debunk the ridiculous statement that low tax states subsidize high tax states. The fact is what we consider to be the high tax states are the same states that get a smaller percentage of their income from the Feds. The lower income tax states in general receive a greater percentage of the revenue from the Feds. The subsidizing of high tax states is false.


The obvious omission by j2t2 and his chart is the lack of a link between low state taxes and high federal largess, his original premise.

One time emergency funds for disasters! Face it guys many low income tax states income is subsidized by the federal government. The myth D. seeks to create to justify the attack on the middle class by Trump is ridiculous.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 9, 2019 2:33 PM
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J2t2. You stii provided no credible proof. Whaa Waaaa 8

Even if j2t2 had credible proof, it does not matter, because high income tax states should have been receiving less money back from the federal government, since the were deducting it from their federal taxes. Too bad now. Niw, those states should lowere their state taxes, unkess they want to see more hundreds of thousands leavinvg those staes. It:s their own fault for over taxing, and being sanctuary states. California is losing over $113 Billion per year due to illegal immigration. No wonder people are leaving CA, NY, IL, etc. In droves (states all run by Democraps).
Whaa Waaaa

Posted by: d.a.n at February 10, 2019 1:18 AM
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Hey d.a.n., did you ever expect our Liberal Pal j2t2 to be advocating more tax benefits for the rich? OOOOPS…his liberal “slip” is showing.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 10, 2019 4:22 PM
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Royal Flush, Yeah….no kidding…nothing makes them happy. One moment, they are complaining taxes being too low, and now they are complaining about taxes being too high. Whhhaaa….. Nevermind that they were getting to deduct their high state income taxes from their federal taxes for decades .

Posted by: D.a.n at February 10, 2019 4:47 PM
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