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What Do You Have To Lose?

A loss could very well solidify a course to socialism. Some 60% of democrat officials are socialist. Project VERITAS has shown, on numerous occasions, that the left is not voicing their real agenda.

There is a reason the democrats are throwing everything at this election. They had 8 years to put much of their socialist agenda in place. If Hillary had been elected they would have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Hillary’s loss devastated the democrats, Hence, hollywood, the msm, and rep/dem globalists have near lost their minds this last two years.

They feel they have to win this election or all is lost in their quest for socialism.

Had Hillary won they would have found amnesty for the, not 11M, but, all of a sudden, 22M illegals in this country. That alone would give them the votes to control gov't for the foreseeable future.

If Trump gets control of the senate and house he will build a wall, put policy in place so that the 22M can not vote in the immediate future, That would give the GOP some sembalance of retaining a balance of power over the coming years.

The democrats have given their all for their socialist agenda. Consider that Hillary wanted so badly to hide her communications that she set up and used unsecured commo equipment for her gov't/DNC and personal business, resulting in the compromise of some 30K messages. The DNC colluded with CNN and, likely, every left biased media org in the country in putting together news articles. The democrat regime carried out the worst conspiracy that has ever been perpetrated against the U.S. in weaponizing the U.S. govt to go after a presidential candidate and later, to try and take down a sitting president. Numerous others to cite but I'll finish with the Kavanaugh hearings. Right to the very bottom in accusing a SC nominee of rape, by multiple women. One of whom is coming out this very day saying she 'made it all up'.

I can't leave out that the socialist regime and the MSM have been bashing Trump from the day he came down the elevator with his wife. 24/7, everyday, everday. They are a desperate people who will seemingly do anything at any cost, legal or not, to gain control of this country.

In a word or two - - - this election means the difference between Americanism and Socialism.

You can make your feelings known Nov 6th.

Posted by Roy Ellis at November 3, 2018 7:21 PM
Comments
Comment #433910

Project Veritas!!! Really Roy!! How many times do these clowns have to be discredited before you clowns wise up?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 4, 2018 3:56 AM
Comment #433912

Great diversion j2.

Posted by: Roy ellis at November 4, 2018 9:34 AM
Comment #433914

Project Veritas scores: Factual Reporting: MIXED
Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/project-veritas/

Therefore, not everything is FALSE.
All sources have issues, but j2t2 would probably tell you that MSNBC and CNN are great, and never report any fake news!

Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2018 10:35 AM
Comment #433921

Project Veritas is known for intentionally misleading its audience guys. Just a fact. For anyone other than the most vicious of liars to use anything these guys produce as facts is inexcusable. Doctored videos that even Glenn Beck can’t accept. Only a buffoon would compare this tripe to CNN or MSNBC.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe

Posted by: j2t2 at November 4, 2018 4:49 PM
Comment #433922

Roy, it seems the election is between Fear based Nationalism and Americanism IMHO.

If Trump gets control of the senate and house he will build a wall,

He has had control of the entire Congress since elected to office and yet no wall. But now he will do it!!!…right.

put policy in place so that the 22M can not vote in the immediate future,

Amnesty provides citizenship? DO you honestly believe all 11 million would vote dem all the time?

That would give the GOP some sembalance of retaining a balance of power over the coming years.


What about the big three, voter suppression, extreme gerrymandering and the big lie and massive propaganda from the nationalist/populist.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 4, 2018 5:05 PM
Comment #433923

Project Veritas? Isn’t that the one where James O’Keefe does interviews, and then splices and edits to make it appear the people being interviewed want terrible things? I remember he tried to show there was voter fraud in NH. He and his people got caught. His people tried to bug a Senator’s phone. They got caught. O’Keefe did a cut and splice job on ACORN. The state of CA, NY, and the federal GAO all found ACORN did nothing wrong, but it was too late to save ACORN from bankruptcy. One of the workers did receive a $100,000 settlement from O’Keefe.

There are not 22 million illegal immigrants in the US. According to DHS, there are about 12 million. This is a federal agency under Trump. It is administered by his appointee.

“If Trump gets control of the senate and house he will build a wall…”

Uh, he already controls the House & Senate. Remember when the Wall was a make or break deal for Trump supporters?

d.a.n.,
I remember when the Intelligence Community first used the term ‘fake news.’ It applied to the articles and social media insertions placed by the Russians to influence the elections.

Shortly after the election, Limbaugh adopted the term for Russian misinformation, and without the slightest trace of irony, applied it to the MSM. Trump quickly picked it up.
And I can think of nothing more appropriate than you using the term for Russian disinformation intended to undermine our elections, and applying it undermine the American free press.
American free press.

Posted by: phx8 at November 4, 2018 5:26 PM
Comment #433924

Looks like CNN and MSNBC have learned well (from the Russians) at making fake news.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2018 5:49 PM
Comment #433925

A little more about ‘what have you got to lose’.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/414737-falsehood-shames-clapper-brennan-and-pledge-to-protect-whistleblowers

J2, I can’t believe, after what Trump has done for the ‘GOP Trump hater’s’, that they would try to refuse him $$ for the his immigration policy.

He has won, j2. He’s beat the GOP never Trumpers, the democrats, and indiscriminate Globalists and, the MSM in gneral. I mean, like he’s laid them out on the floor, IMO.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at November 4, 2018 7:25 PM
Comment #433926
Looks like CNN and MSNBC have learned well (from the Russians) at making fake news

They are rank amateurs compared to most right wing outlets and it seems you have learned much more than either of these two stations when it comes to fake news D, judging by your posts here on WB. Your standard for myth misinformation half truths and outright lies is laughable. The only thing lower than your standards are the standards of Project Veritas D. You told us “Therefore, not everything is FALSE.All sources have issues, ” as a defense for Roy’s use of these twits as an honest news source! How f**king low have you set the bar to say something as foolish as that D.?

As an example go to your link on the propagandist project veritas and actually read what is said. They lie and mislead yet you defend them.
“some selectively edited to imply its subjects said things they did not”

” O’Keefe’s videos are edited in a way that makes them difficult to fact check. Often his information is debunked, but it is too late as the information has already been watched by thousands or more.”


And these guys are being polite. Giving these Project Bertias scumbags the benefit of the doubt. Faux News does a better job than these idiots D. They have less credibility than your comments .

Posted by: j2t2 at November 4, 2018 7:33 PM
Comment #433927
He has won, j2. He’s beat the GOP never Trumpers, the democrats, and indiscriminate Globalists and, the MSM in gneral. I mean, like he’s laid them out on the floor, IMO.

Why is that Roy? Other than putting 2 originalist activist on the SCOTUS, only 1 qualified, what has he done. I realize the bar is set low for you guys and you may actually believe he has done something for the economy but what has he done that would cause you to say he has beat the GOP never Trumpers or anyone else. The GOP hasn’t seen a tax cut they don’t like. THe wall isn’t approved. The deficit is up considerably under the Trump administration. The country is divided as if it were the 1860’s.

So other than sucking money into his own businesses, and lowering the US in the corruption of a third world nation what has he done? Gave China control over the whole TPP area? Allowed Putin to become a player in world politics while we have become a laughing stock?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 4, 2018 7:46 PM
Comment #433928
j2t2 so classily wrote: How f**king low have you set the bar to say something as foolish as that D.?
The problem is (as usual) there was no proof provided that disproves what Roy wrote about Veritas.

But here is some fake news from your favorite CNN, NBC, and ABC outlets:

  • (01) The New York Times’ Paul Krugman claimed on the day of President Trump’s historic, landslide victory that the economy would never recover.
  • (02) ABC News’ Brian Ross CHOKES and sends markets in a downward spiral with false report.
  • (03) CNN FALSELY reported that candidate Donald Trump and his son Donald J. Trump, Jr. had access to hacked documents from WikiLeaks.
  • (04) TIME FALSELY reported that President Trump removed a bust of Martin Luther King, Jr. from the Oval Office.
  • (05) Washington Post FALSELY reported the President’s massive sold-out rally in Pensacola, Florida was empty. Dishonest reporter showed picture of empty arena HOURS before crowd started pouring in.
  • (06) CNN FALSELY edited a video to make it appear President Trump defiantly overfed fish during a visit with the Japanese prime minister. Japanese prime minister actually led the way with the feeding.
  • (07) CNN FALSELY reported about Anthony Scaramucci’s meeting with a Russian, but retracted it due to a “significant breakdown in process.”
  • (08) Newsweek FALSELY reported that Polish First Lady Agata Kornhauser-Duda did not shake President Trump’s hand.
  • (09) CNN FALSELY reported that former FBI Director James Comey would dispute President Trump’s claim that he was told he is not under investigation.
  • (10) The New York Times FALSELY claimed on the front page that the Trump administration had hidden a climate report.
  • (11) “RUSSIA COLLUSION!” Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax. After 18 months, there’s no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia.
  • (12) In October 2016, WikiLeaks published emails from John Podesta, which showed CNN contributor Donna Brazile passing the questions for a CNN-sponsored debate to the Clinton campaign.[11]
  • (13) CNN falsely reported 20-MAR-2017 that Jack Kingston said: “I remember years ago looking at a CBO report that in 1964 predicted that Medicare would cost $9 billion 10 years later. And I think it was already over $100 billion at that point.”; [CBO did not exist in 1964];
  • (14) CNN falsely reported 05-FEB-2017 that Sara Palin said: “Says Donald Trump’s conversion to pro-life beliefs are akin to Justin Bieber’s, who said in the past that abortion “was no big deal to him.”;
  • (15) CNN falsely reported 15-SEP-2015 that Michele Bachmann said: Says Donald Trump’s polling numbers show that he’s “the highest with Hispanics that any Republican has ever been.”;
  • (16) CNN falsely reported 02-APR-2015 that Sally Kohn said: White men account for 69 percent of those arrested for violent crimes.”;
  • (17) ABC falsely reported 01-DEC-2017 that: ABC News had to correct a report indicating that Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn acted on Donald Trump’s instructions in allegedly violating the Logan Act under instruction by Donald Trump. The correction, initially billed a “clarification,” came after several hours of panic on the money markets. Journalist Brian Ross was suspended as a consequence.
  • (18) 04-JUN-2017: An NBC tweet promised more than the Megyn Kelly interview with Vladimir Putin had actually delivered. Putin denied having compromising info about Trump.
  • (19) 22-JUN-2017: CNN published a story connecting Anthony Scaramuccci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund. The store was retracted, and links to the story were deleted. CNN apologized to Scaramucci. CNN announced on Monday afternoon that three network officials are leaving their jobs over the incident.
  • (20) 08-DEC-2017, CNN admitted to getting the timing wrong on emails sent to Trump from Wikeleaks.
TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is real!

Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2018 8:43 PM
Comment #433929

The Main Stream Media has gone as crazy as Democrats.

Maybe that is because most people in the Main Stream Media are Democrats.

Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2018 8:48 PM
Comment #433931

Roy, against all the odds, you predicted the outcome of the previous 08-NOV-2016 election correctly.

What is your best guess for the results of the 06-NOV-2018 mid-term election?

I shudder to see more rioting, burning, violence, and protesting like what the Democrats did after the 08-NOV-2016 election.

But, I shudder more to see the end of all of the progress of the last 20 months (e.g. progress in the (01)economy, (02)fair trade, (03)border security, (04)reduced illegal immigration, (05)reduced bureaucracy and unnecessary regulation, (06)reduced taxes, (07)near decimation of ISIS, (08)higher GDP and economic growth, (09)reduced unemployment, (01)more people working, and less people on welfare, (11)corporations and money returning to the USA, (12)higher consumer confidence, (13)stock market reached all-time highs, (14) Trump led an unprecedented global campaign to achieve the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, and Kim Jong Un isn’t shooting more missles over Japan, (15)the horribly stupid Iran deal was ended, and re-imposed sanctions on Iran, (16)Judicial appointments, (17)denouncing “Guilty Until Proven Innocent, (18) the green light for school choice programs, (19) repeal of the Obamacare penalty, (20)exit from the Paris Climate Agreement, (21)the Keystone pipeline, (22)preseving coal as a backup energy source, (23)Trump has signed legislation to bring more accountability to the Department of Veterans Affairs and provide our veterans with more choice in the care they receive, (25)Trump followed through on his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, President Trump followed through on his promise to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, (26) secured the release of prisoners from North Korea and Venezuela, (27) Trump ordered strikes against Syria in response to the regime’s use of chemical weapons in April 2017 and April 2018, (28)Trump imposed a range of sanctions on the Maduro dictatorship in Venezuela, including sanctions targeting Maduro and other senior government officials, (29)Trump’s administration and I.C.E., in the first year (2017), made 110,568 arrests of illegal immigrants, of which 92% had criminal convictions, (30) and, ALL of that was accomplished in only 21 months, despite 90% negative reporting by the (much of it false) Main Stream Media).

Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2018 9:40 PM
Comment #433932
j2t2 foolishly wrote: Other than putting 2 originalist activists on the SCOTUS, only 1 qualified, what has he [Trump] done?
See above. Enjoy.
    Posted by: d.a.n at November 4, 2018 10:00 PM
    Comment #433933
    The problem is (as usual) there was no proof provided that disproves what Roy wrote about Veritas.


    No proof, except your own link and the two links I posted in my comment!

    D, Do you even know what fake news is? Until you do stick to paraphrasing and re-posting my comments please.

    Posted by: j2t2 at November 4, 2018 11:21 PM
    Comment #433934

    d.a.n., really appreciate your skills in generating profuse information and, so quickly. And, reliable, valid information,

    Trump has, quite correctly, put his emphasis on senate candidates. Will be a historical turnout for a midterm. I am expecting the GOP will pick up 4 or 5 senate seats.

    Going out on a limb with the House as I can’t bring myself to say the dems will take control. AAaarrggggg!!! So, I believe that of the 42 open seats the GOP will be able to win 23-24 to retain control.

    I believe the GOP will win 4 or 5 of the governorship races.

    But, with the Senate and close either way with the House, President Trump will be in excellent position for 2020.

    Obama too, is saying this is the most important election ‘of a life time. The democrats need to have control of everything to cover up/squelch all of their misdeeds carried out in/around the 2016 election. That, plus their whole socialist agenda/gains will be dismantled and/or put on hold.

    Posted by: Roy Ellis at November 4, 2018 11:46 PM
    Comment #433935
    j2t2 wrote: D, Do you even know what fake news is? Until you do stick to paraphrasing and re-posting my comments please.
    Yep. I know what FAKE NEWS is. It is very similar to most of the crap you write. All false.

    Thanks Roy. You were right 08-NOV-2016. I am sure hoping you’re right again. I agree about the senate and state governors. I am not sure about the House, but I think it is safe to say that the Republicans will retain the majority in the House. The polls are probably worthless. However, the polls in the NOV-2016 election were leaning left. IF the polls are still leaning left, and since many polls are showing ties at the moment, then that would mean the ties are actually losses for the left. We’ll know soon.

    Posted by: d.a.n at November 5, 2018 12:01 AM
    Comment #433957
    Yep. I know what FAKE NEWS is. It is very similar to most of the crap you write. All false.

    So obviously you are clueless D.. The cognitive dissonance is to much for you isn’t it.

    From the link below-
    ““Once a con man cons somebody, there is a bias among the marks not to admit that they’re that stupid,” he said. “In this particular one, they want it to go on and on. They love it.”

    “I don’t care if he sprouts a third dick up there,” read it D. you guys need it.

    Posted by: j2t2 at November 5, 2018 1:52 PM
    Comment #433958

    That is the ‘con’ in confidence man. The marks believe the con. They have confidence in the con, so much so that, even when the con is revealed to them to their own great harm, they still believe the con’s denials and deflections.

    We see a pretty good example in the comments in the previous middle column article. Two WB commenters simply refuse to believe numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They are like fish that have swallowed the hook. Even as they are being pulled from the water, they still insist the lure was real, or that the economy was bad under Obama, but magically changed into a good one under Trump.

    Predictions:
    The blue tsunami delivers the House. Let’s say a 45 seat pickup.

    Governor races go BIG for the Democrats. This does not receive much national attention other than the GA & FL races, but it is extremely important. If the GOP loses the governships of states gerrymandered in their favor, it will bode ill for holding onto the House for the next 14 years.

    The Senate is too close to call on election night, but ultimately stays 51-49 GOP.

    Initiatives overwhelmingly favor the Democrats. Four states have items on the ballot that will create non-partisan House districts. If these pass it will do even more harm to the GOP.

    Posted by: phx8 at November 5, 2018 2:36 PM
    Comment #433960
    j2t2 wrote: “I don’t care if he sprouts a third dick up there,” read it D. you guys need it.

    Ahh….more spewing of hatred of Trump.
    It’s like an addiction for j2t2 and phx8, who never tire of it, and predicting the end of the world!

    phx8 predicts:
    • The blue tsunami delivers the House. Let’s say a 45 seat pickup.
    • The Senate is too close to call on election night, but ultimately stays 51-49 GOP.
    • Governor races go BIG for the Democrats.
    We’ll know late tomorrow, or the next day. Hopefully, IF things don’t turn out the way you want, you two don’t justify (or join in for) more riots, burning, and violence like after the 8-NOV-2016 election.
      Posted by: d.a.n at November 5, 2018 2:57 PM
      Comment #433961

      “… 2 originalist activist on the SCOTUS, only 1 qualified…”

      Really j2t2, you need a new shtick (gimmick). The Senate Judicial Committee released its findings on their Kavanaugh investigation; with no response yet from the Democrats.

      Over 400 pages, 40 interviews, and 25 written statements have produced….no evidence of any wrongdoing. The ABA gave Kavanaugh its highest ratings. Two accusers have retracted their charges and may face prosecution.

      Get over it Pal. You fell for one of the oldest political dirty tricks in the bag; false charges designed to destroy a reputation.

      Now may be a good time to invite j2t2 and phx8 to renounce the Liberal wing of the Democrat Party and join the mainstream of Americans. We will grant them absolution and forgive their past political words and association.

      Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2018 4:35 PM
      Comment #433962

      “Going out on a limb with the House as I can’t bring myself to say the dems will take control. AAaarrggggg!!!”

      AAaaaarrrrgggg indeed Roy. However, should the Democrats take control of the House there are some consoling thoughts. Many of the Dems running for open seats are claiming to be “Moderates”, and many have said they support President Trump on many issues.

      Now it is true that all politicians lie. However, perhaps a few of the Dem candidates are actually men and women of their word.

      Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2018 4:44 PM
      Comment #433963

      Thanks to phx8 for his daring out-on-a-limb election predictions. I will carefully place your comments in the circular file on my office floor.

      Posted by: Royal Flush at November 5, 2018 4:48 PM
      Comment #433965

      “The blue tsunami delivers the House. Let’s say a 45 seat pickup.”

      If that’s a ‘tsunami’ then 63 must of been a biblical flood.

      Lose 63 seats: No big deal. Means nothing. Has nothing to do with Obama. No mandate. Media covers what Michelle Obama is wearing.

      Win 45 seats: Huge deal. Means everything. Everything to do with Trump. Rejection of Trump. Leftist mandate. 24/7 media coverage of sources saying Trump is crying and scared.

      God I hope dems lose the House and Senate. I want to see them go totally overboard. Nothing like a bunch of ‘protests’ riots and violence.

      Posted by: kctim at November 5, 2018 5:26 PM
      Comment #433966

      Talk about desperation - - dems, msm, and never trumpers are letting it all hang out today. Just one lie piled on top of the next hyper lie. They’ve got Menendez up 15 in NJ. Wolf says 70% are set to give Trump the finger tomorrow.

      Hi level pols, movie stars, old retired news anchors, and many millions of dollars thrown at this mid-term. A historical event, at least never in my lifetime.

      They had this move to socialism in the bag - - - until Trump came down the elevator. Had any other rep candidate won the election the dems socialist agenda would have succeeded. But, Trump stopped the numbers count with immigration. Adding to their defeat, he brought jobs back. companies relocating to the U.S., dug pipelines, opened up coal mines, put blue collars back in play.

      The dem socialist cannot succeed. Trump has another six years to plug all the holes. Dems will be starting from near zero from that point in time.

      So, we just wait and see how the deplorables vote tomorrow.

      I hear McCaskill is going to vote against herself so she will look more like a moderate.

      Posted by: Roy Ellis at November 5, 2018 5:29 PM
      Comment #433967

      Ha! Good one Roy.

      Like any of us really believe she is some kind of moderate on the issues that matter this year.

      Posted by: kctim at November 5, 2018 5:42 PM
      Comment #433969
      Roy wrote: I hear McCaskill is going to vote against herself so she will look more like a moderate.
      Yeah, that’s funny! : )

      Funny how, as an election approaches, several Democrats are only now pretending to support the 2nd amendment, border security, legal immigration, etc., and claiming not to be like the other “crazy democrats”?
      Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/us/politics/claire-mccaskill-crazy-democrats.html

        Posted by: d.a.n at November 5, 2018 5:55 PM
        Comment #433970

        Right d.a.n. And, we don’t hear any talk about Kavanaugh’s gang rape problems. Is that not a good issue for the dems to put out on the reps? And, I’m heard nothing about sanctuary cities, amnesty/citizenship, free college, medicare for all. In fact, all I’ve heard from the dems is ‘healthcare for permanent conditions’ or something like that …

        What about russia - russia - russia? Nada …

        What about touting ‘impeachment’ of ‘Trump’, of ‘SCJ Kavanaugh’?

        Incredulous, but they want this country to fail economically, they want the ruskies to take over poland, Lith, and all of Ukran …

        They want the U.S. on it’s back so they can save us with their socialist agenda. Hillary compromised commo security. She, the DNC, the MSM, and all the Trump haters colluded to commit the greatest conspiracy in our history, first, to get candidate Trump, second, to get President Trump. If the dems get the House they will try to impeach the sitting President.. .

        Hundreds of people, in the Obama admin, DNC, MSM should be doing 20-30 in prisons but, nothing …

        A few more keystrokes …

        Dems want gov’t to look after them, free education, free healthcare, guarantee salary/employment, social security starting after your first child and so on …

        And, they want the same and more delivered under a one world umbrella.

        Big biz wants a one world umbrella too.

        both want globalism, not racist nationalism.

        To get there they have to control gov’t for a long enough continuous period to instill socialist policies. So big biz and the dems teamed up to move companies overseas, and break the middle class and blue collar folks down with unemployment, high insurance and so on …

        The middle class family could only afford to support 2 - 2 1/2 offspring which brought about the need for workers, cheap foreign workers, who would put more pressure on the working/middle class folks.

        GOP and Dems had about 20 years to get things in place for globalism and Obama had an 8 year run to get their socialist agenda in place. And, then, THEN, along comes Trump down the elevador !! Sent the GOP and Dems into another world . . couldn’t drive a needle up their ass with an 8 pound sledge hammer … and so it goes .. .

        Posted by: Roy Ellis at November 5, 2018 8:53 PM
        Comment #433971

        Jeff Sessions, you are a WAY GREAT, SUPER LARGE A..HOLE

        Posted by: Roy Ellis at November 5, 2018 9:27 PM
        Comment #433972
        j2t2 wrote: “I don’t care if he sprouts a third dick up there,” read it D. you guys need it. Ahh….more spewing of hatred of Trump.

        So you finally get one right D.. I was repeating the comment from a Trump supporter so I guess hatred is the right choice.

        As Trump Spreads A Fog Of Falsehoods, His Fans Believe Them And Make Excuses For Him”
        was the title of the article I linked to. But hey I didn’t expect you to actually look at it. It kind of reminds me of you and Roy babbling back and forth here, what with the cognitive dissonance and all.

        Talk about the people of Germany in the 30’s this is the textbook for all those conservatives who buy into the Trump line!

        We’ll know late tomorrow, or the next day. Hopefully, IF things don’t turn out the way you want, you two don’t justify (or join in for) more riots, burning, and violence like after the 8-NOV-2016 election.

        Say are you talking about the anarchist that according to your link were responsible for the fires and damage? The antifascist were quick to spot Trump for what he is…but I doubt I will be out there lighting fires either way, hopefully if the election results go south on you your conservatives friends, that aren’t heading towards the border, won’t be attacking churches and schools in retaliation D..

        Posted by: j2t2 at November 5, 2018 10:47 PM
        Comment #433973
        j2t2 babbled: …but I doubt I will be out there lighting fires either way, hopefully if the election results go south …
        You ought to see a doctor for your case of TDS. That might be why you think you see Nazis, Fascists, and Racists everywhere. Posted by: d.a.n at November 5, 2018 11:20 PM
        Comment #433976

        TDS is what conservatives suffer from D. They have this syndrome of not being able to discern truth from fiction. TDS is listening to Trump lie, knowing he is lying and then defending him for lying when he is called out for his lies. You know like the people of Germany whilst Hitler was coming to power in the 30’s.

        Posted by: j2t2 at November 6, 2018 1:03 AM
        Comment #433997

        A major story flying under the radar is the banning of the GOP/Trump ad from FOX, FOX Business Network, CNN, NBC, and Facebook for being overtly racist. I am not going to link the ad. Yes, it really is that bad. It raises an interesting question. Media companies are privately owned, and have the right to refuse to accept money for advertising; however, this ad is political advertising, and refusing to run it is unquestionably a form of censorship. Is it justified?

        Posted by: phx8 at November 6, 2018 10:45 AM
        Comment #433998

        The only reason that ad was banned is because it was effective. The Willie Horton ad was also effective, but the social media fascists weren’t dominating the environment then, so it wasn’t banned or censored. Democratics could only say it was racist then. Now they have a compliant media willing to ban and censor effective conservative points of view.

        Had that ad been composed of 2 separate ads, one showing the murderer vowing to kill more cops, and a second showing the southern border of Mexico being invaded, would they both be considered racist when shown back to back, or is them being combined together why they are considered racist?

        Posted by: Weary Willie at November 6, 2018 11:20 AM
        Comment #433999

        If the ad were a different ad, would it still denounced for being racist? Don’t know. Probably.

        Banning the ad was not the act of a “compliant media.” FOX and FOX Business News would not run it either.

        The ad uses ‘The Criminal Jew’ propaganda technique I described in a previous thread. The idea is to take a real case, a heinous crime committed by an individual, and then extend the emotional reaction to it to cover everyone in that group. In Nazi Germany, the criminal acts of one Jew were publicly denounced and then ascribed to all Jews. In the US, the criminal acts of one Hispanic are being ascribed to all Hispanics.

        There is no “invasion” at the southern border. The immigrants are unarmed, poor, and include a lot of women and children.

        Posted by: phx8 at November 6, 2018 11:49 AM
        Comment #434000

        That ad isn’t racist, it’s simply not politically correct. Big difference. Refusing to air it is nothing more than a sad attempt to protect advertising profits by appeasing the twitter-nazis.

        Yes, it’s their right not to air it, and yes it’s a form of censorship. They believe it’s justified because their goal is to silence the majority and condition them into accepting the divisive social justice nonsense of the minority.
        Report the wrong person illegally parking in a crosswalk? Racist. Support traditional marriage? Homophobic hatred. Acknowledge the burden and dangers of illegal immigration? Xenophobic hatred. Don’t want males showering with girls? Hateful bigot. Innocent until proven guilty? Sexist. Support the 2nd Amendment? Murderer. Love your country and Constitution? Fascist!

        For the past decade leftist hatred has made our elections about this social justice nonsense, not the country.

        Posted by: kctim at November 6, 2018 11:56 AM
        Comment #434001

        I didn’t see the Mexican police escorting the masses through their border checkpoints. In fact, they were tearing down the barriers that were in place to stop them from entering the country.

        Forcibly entering a country without the consent of the country being entered is an invasion, phx8. Just like if I snooped in your e-mail, that would be an invasion, no weapon needed. If I were to enter your home uninvited by tearing the door off it’s hinges, that would be an invasion.

        You need to get past the “protect the talking points at all cost!” mentality, phx8. It isn’t working any longer.

        Posted by: Weary Willie at November 6, 2018 12:51 PM
        Comment #434002

        You have no idea they are unarmed. Perhaps the mostly 18-25 year old males are going to acquire arms in the cartel held northern states. I heard there are a lot of assault weapons down there, courtesy of Eric Holder and Barrack Obama. (or was it that other black guy, they all look alike to me.)

        (Uproarious laughter from audience)

        Posted by: Weary Willie at November 6, 2018 1:01 PM
        Comment #434007
        j2t2 wrote: You know like the people of Germany whilst Hitler was coming to power in the 30’s.
        The Nazi thing again, eh? That’s one of the symptoms of TDS (believing everyone who disagrees with you are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, and Beastialists).
        phx8 wrote: Yes, it really is that bad… . however, this ad is political advertising, and refusing to run it is unquestionably a form of censorship. Is it justified?

        It is interesting that NBC played the ad 18 times before deciding to ban it?

        Why is this the 30 second video considered Racist?

        The video shows:

        • (a) an illegal immigrant in court that murdered two police officers and said he wants to kill more people,
        • (b)shows an illegal immigrant in the caravan that has already been deported for 3rd degree felony for “attempted murder”,
        • (c)shows the caravan recently storming and breaking down fences to illegally enter Mexico, and
        • (d) displays a message that Democrats are to blame (which is true, because Democrats created sanctuary cities and states that protect criminal illegal immigrants).

        So, exactly, what part of any of that is not true?

        Posted by: d.a.n at November 6, 2018 1:22 PM
        Comment #434013

        Nevermind that a whopping 32% of everyone in federal prison is an illegal immigrant (Source (26-DEC-2017): cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens ).
        Nevermind that thousands of people in the U.S.A. are killed per year by illegal immigrants.

        The only thing missing from the video is that Republicans are also culpable, because Ronald Reagan passed an amnesty in 1989, which helped to quadruple or quintuple the problem, and Republicans ignored the growing problem for decades, because they liked the cheap labor too. It wasn’t until recent years that the Republicans finally realized that Democrats were using massive illegal immigration to change the electorate by (despicably) pandering to illegal immigrants with promises of amnesty, citizenship, welfare, free housing, free healthcare, Medicaid, food stamps, education, in-state college education prices, drivers’ licenses, voting in some state elections, etc., etc., etc.

        A study by the ( www.gao.gov/htext/d05646r.html ; GAO Report GAO-05-646R) found the following (for a study group of 55,332 illegal immigrants (about 3.76% of all 436,313) incarcerated during 1 year (1-JUL-2002 to 30-JUN-2003) in 7 of 50 states: Colorado, Florida, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon, New Jersey, and North Carolina):

        • the study group of 55,332 illegal immigrants is only 3.76% of all illegal immigrants incarcerated in year 2003; the total number of people incarcerated in state and federal prisons and jails was 1,470,045 (in 2003, 29% (436,313) were illegal immigrants; as of 2018, the 32% of all persons in federal prison are illegal immigrants);
        • each illegal immigrant was arrested an average of 8 times;
        • 80% of all arrests were in 3 states: California(58%), Texas(14%), and Arizona()8%;
        • 97% were arrested more than once;
        • 38% were arrested 2-to-5 times;
        • 32% were arrested 6-to-10 times;
        • 26% were arrested 11 or more times;
        • 80% of arrestes occurred after year 1990;
        • 5,992 of all offenses were homicides (since year 1947), which is an average of 101 homicides per year (only for the study group 55,332 illegal immigrants in 7 of 50 states);
        • Total Arrests: 459,614
        • Total Criminal Offenses: 691,890
        • Average number of criminal offenses per illegal immigrant: 13
        • Criminal offense: Drugs; Total offenses: Number: 166,722;
        • Criminal offense: Immigration (multiple offenses; the first trespass is only a misdemeanor): Total offenses: Number: 144,166;
        • Criminal offense: Traffic violations; Total offenses: Number: 55,060;
        • Criminal offense: Assault; Total offenses: Number: 50,958;
        • Criminal offense: Obstruction of justice; Total offenses: Number: 45,632;
        • Criminal offense: Burglary; Total offenses: Number: 38,689;
        • Criminal offense: Larceny/theft; Total offenses: Number: 31,883;
        • Criminal offense: Fraud, forgery, and counterfeiting; Total offenses: Number: 25,773;
        • Criminal offense: Weapons violations; Total offenses: Number: 22,263;
        • Criminal offense: Motor vehicle theft; Total offenses: Number: 20,950;
        • Criminal offense: Robbery; Total offenses: Number: 15,305;
        • Criminal offense: Stolen property; Total offenses: Number: 13,415;
        • Criminal offense: S*x offense; Total offenses: Number: 11,833;
        • Criminal offense: Disorderly conduct; Total offenses: Number: 8,768;
        • Criminal offense: Property damage; Total offenses: Number: 6,478;
        • Criminal offense: Homicide; Total offenses: Number: 5,992;
        • Criminal offense: Kidnapping; Total offenses: Number: 3,236;
        • Criminal offense: Arson; Total offenses: Number: 457;
        • Criminal offense: Other; Total offenses: Number: 24,310;

        Some people claim that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than U.S. citizens, but 32% of everyone in federal prison is an illegal immigrant.
        Regardless, those are all crimes that should not have happened.
        And none of that includes the estimated $297 Billion in annual net losses due to illegal immigration.
        Border states are hit much harder than northern states. For example, almost 100 over-run hospitals along the southern border have closed.

        For the people that make excuses for illegal immigrants, they should try and tell it to the victims and survivors of these victims, which could have been prevented:

        • August 2017 — Martel Valencia-Cortez, a human smuggler from Mexico, was sentenced to eight years in American Prison for assaulting a U.S. Border Patrol agent with a rock; he was also charged with three counts of human smuggling. Valencia-Cortez has been listed as one of the most dangerous human smugglers in the San Diego area. Previous to the most recent charge, Valencia-Cortez served three years in prison for human smuggling charges and was then deported back to Mexico. (U.S. News, August 29, 2017)
        • August 2017 — Thirty three-year-old nanny Lidia Quilligana, an illegal alien from Ecuador, was convicted and sentenced to fifteen years in prison for the brutal torture and abuse of three small children. Nanny cam footage caught Quilligana burning the hands and legs of the three-year-old child as well as grabbing her by the hair and hitting her in the face. The torture was described as “sustained and depraved cruelty” by the District Attorney, and the judge admitted that the sentence nowhere near fit the heinous nature of the crime. Quilligana cited her own abusive childhood in Ecuador as justification for her actions. (Newstimes, August 22, 2017)
        • July 2017 — Ariel Cuellar Guizar will face thirty-one years in prison for a collection of charges relating to his activities as a human trafficker. He has been found guilty of trafficking, pimping women out to prostitution, and the rape of a fifteen-year-old girl. Guizar will also be registered as a s*x offender for life. (ABC7, July 20, 2017)
        • June 2017 — Vanessa Hernandez, an illegal alien from Mexico, was sentenced to 100 months in prison for importing nearly 9 pounds of methamphetamine. Hernandez is expected to face deportation proceedings after she is released from prison. (ICE.gov, June 9, 2017)
        • May 2017 — Illegal alien, Edwin Velasquez Curuchiche, has been sentenced to fifty years in prison after being convicted of two counts of producing child pornography. Specifically, Curuchiche has been charged with sneaking into the room of a six year old girl and filming himself molesting her while she slept. Originally apprehended entering the country illegally in 2013, the Guatemalan national never returned for his immigration hearing and was living in the U.S. illegally at the time he assaulted the child. (Tennessean, May 15, 2017)
        • May 2017 — An Uzbek refugee serving 25 years behind bars for a plot to kill U.S. military personnel or civilians has been charged with stabbing the warden at the California federal prison where he was serving his sentence, prosecutors said Thursday. (Fox News, May 27, 2017)
        • May 2017 — Pasqual Mendez, 24, of Morganton, was given an active prison term of 12 to 19 years for felony human trafficking of a child, assault on a female, interfering with emergency communication and statutory rape of a child less than 15 years of age (News Herald, May 23, 2017)
        • May 2017 — Oscar De La Rosa-Mendoza, 31, of Mission — a Mexican citizen who wasn’t lawfully present in the United States — pleaded guilty to driving while intoxicated, a Class B misdemeanor, on May 9. (CBS News, May 18, 2017)
        • May 2017 — Carlos Santiago-Alvarez, 41, of Holyoke, was sentenced Monday to six to eight years in state prison followed by five years probation in a child rape case. (Mass Live, May 4, 2017)
        • April 2017 — Ignacio Luque-Verdugo, 32, was convicted Friday in Adams County District Court of first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder charges. (Denver Channel, April 18, 2017)
        • April 2017 — Four Charlotte-area members of the El Salvadoran gang MS-13 were convicted Tuesday of federal racketeering charges. (Charlotte Observer, April 18, 2017)
        • April 2017 — Pablo Gonzales Sanchez will spend at least 18 years in prison for molesting a young teenage girl an estimated 50 times. The girl’s mother, an illegal alien, has also been sentenced to prison for not reporting her daughter’s allegations of abuse. Both she and Sanchez also were ordered to be added to the S*x Offender Registry. (Shelby Star, April 11, 2017)
        • April 2017 — Abdirahman P. Sahel was sentenced Monday, April 10, to 20 years in prison for s*xually assaulting and terrorizing a young woman nearly four years ago. (Jamestown Sun, April 11, 2017)
        • April 2017 — Gil Gaxiola was convicted of first-degree attempted murder of a National Park Service employee, as well as armed robbery, three counts of aggravated assault, kidnapping and theft of means of transportation, following an 11-day trial. (Wilcox Range News, April 1, 2017)
        • March 2017 — Mexican National Miguel Rangel-Arce, 36, has been convicted of trafficking methamphetamine in New Mexico and Navajo Nation land. He will serve 10 years in prison. He is one of eight others who were charged with trafficking drugs between November 2015 and March 2016. When they were apprehended, the police also found 2 1/2 pounds of meth and 10 firearms. (Daily Times, March 8, 2017)
        • February 2017 — 29-year-old Ricardo Solis Garcia was sentenced to 20-29 years in prison after being convicted of raping a 13-year-old girl in Burke County, North Carolina in March of 2015. Garcia lured the girl into his car on the pretense of giving her a ride but instead took her to a motel room where he forced her to have s*x with him. Garcia will be scheduled to be deported after he has served his prison sentence. (WHKY, February 2, 2017)
        • January 2017 — A Mexican illegally in the United States;, Leonard Pennelas-Escobar, was shot dead in Arizona as he assaulted a police officer by banging his head against cement after Pennelas shot and wounded the officer who had stopped to render assistance after Pennelas driving at a high speed had rolled the car killing the woman passenger.
        • January 2017 — Alexis De La Rosa Sosa, an illegal alien from Mexico, was sentenced in Texas to four concurrent terms of 12 years in prison for the deaths of two persons as a result of his crashing into their vehicle while driving recklessly and then fleeing the scene of the crime. (Breitbart News, January 11, 2017)
        • Years 2016,…,2004: www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens
        • On 13-Nov-2005, Brian Jackson, a Dallas policeman was shot and killed by an illegal alien, Juan Lizcano. Lizcano had become drunk and went to the home of his ex-girl-friend to threaten her. As the police pursued Lizcano after he fled the woman’s home, he shot Officer Jackson, who died later in the hospital. Officer Jackson was remembered by his fellow police as someone who loved his job and always went the extra mile.
          N Then, there is Jorge Hernandez, a.k.a. Jorge Soto, who killed Min Soon Chang, an 18-year-old college freshman, in a terrible head-on wreck while Hernandez was driving drunk. He had been arrested 3 previous times for drunk driving in 3 other states, and he had been deported to Mexico 17 times! Why aren’t illegal aliens aren’t deported instantly after being arrested for drunk driving?
        • Debbie Thomas, who was the mother of three, was killed in a head-on collision on Christmas Eve 2003 when her car was struck by a car being driven in the wrong direction by illegal alien, Narciso Garcia-Jimenez. He later escaped from his hospital bed and is still at large. The car he drove had no inspection sticker and was registered to another person. When Debbie’s mom learned that her daughter’s killer survived and escaped after being treated at the hospital, she said she felt “angry, bitter and sad, all at once.”
        • In Atlanta, Georgia: Mexican Miguel Carrasco raped a female victim in front of her four year old child and two minors; California Mexican Zacarias Camacho committed lewd acts upon a child under 14; El Salvadoran Oswaldo Martinez raped, sodomized and murdered a 16 year old; MS-13 gang member Reinaldo Ramos convicted of 2nd degree s*xual offense for brutal gang rape of 16 year old girl.
        • Jose Ramirez is every father’s nightmare. The illegal alien beat up a 15-year-old girl after whistling at her. He broke her nose, fractured a bone in her face and produced cuts requiring 30 stitches. The man worked in construction in Spotsylvania, Virginia, where the attack occurred, and resisted arrest to the point where police had to taser him.
        • Jose Raul Pena, earlier deported for cocaine possession, used his little daughter as a human shield in an hours-long Los Angeles shootout with police. Pena and Suzie were both killed. During the incident, Pena used a 9-millimeter Beretta pistol which had been stolen last year in a burglary in Oregon. His office at the car dealership contained a bag of cocaine and a half-drunk bottle of Tequila — consistent with the illegal Pena’s previous deportation for cocaine possession. Videotape captured images of Pena shooting at the police while holding his daughter, yet his relatives are questioning not only whether he used his daughter as a shield, but whether he was even armed at all, according to the Los Angeles Times.
        • Esmerelda Nava, age 4, was recently strangled, molested and killed by an illegal alien who had been deported in 2003. The accused killer is Cornelio Rivera Zamites, who had been residing in Gainsville, Georgia. Esmerelda went with her parents to visit the 24-year-old Zamites. At some point late Saturday night, the child’s mother realized the girl was missing. A police officer found her body early the next morning in nearby woods. An article of Zamites clothing was close by and he was gone. Zamites had been deported for driving under the influence, as well as having no license or insurance. At least his illegal status was duly noted.
        • The nation’s highways have become far more dangerous since they have been turned into smuggling thruways for criminals. Nineteen-year-old Travis Smith of Mesa, Arizona, was killed in 2002 by a carload of illegal aliens being smuggled to Pennsylvania. The accident occurred near Monticello in southeastern Utah, as the car driven by illegal alien smuggler Isidro Aranda-Flores plowed head-on into Smith’s 1966 Mustang. The smuggler apparently fell asleep at the wheel.
        • In Los Angeles (year 2004), 95% of over 1200 outstanding warrants for homicide and 67% of 17,000 fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
        • PHOENIX: Television and radio stations began running ads in the Valley last week, paid for by the Coalition United to Secure America, attributing the 45% increase in homicides and 41% increase in home invasions to illegal aliens. Phoenix Police Department reports confirm those figures and Sgt. Tony Morales believes there is no doubt that the statistics are tied to illegal aliens.
        • 12/31/2002: Six-month figures revealed a 3.3% increase in violent crime in California, including a 16% rise in homicides, over the same span in 2001.
        • In 2001, 87% of deportable aliens who received run letters later disappeared; a number that was even higher (94%) for illegal aliens from terror-sponsoring countries.
        • According to statistics by the Salt Lake City Police Department (and verified by an independent study), 80% of all drug crimes in the City are committed by illegal aliens. In Salt Lake County, the equivalent number is 50%. That’s why Congressman Cannon is on the Immigration Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee. He is working to insure that interior states, like Utah, are not overlooked in the war on illegal immigration.
        • John Mullaly a former NYPD homicide detective, states 70% of the drug dealers and other criminals in Manhattan’s Washington Heights are were illegal aliens.
        • In 2004, an average of 2,000 illegal aliens stream across our borders daily. One illegal alien in Santa Barbara, California infected 56 other people with tuberculosis as reported on April 24, 2004, by the Santa Barbara Press-News, “Anatomy of an Outbreak”
        • www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens/
        • www.immigrationshumancost.org/
        • www.ice.gov/voice

        Posted by: d.a.n at November 6, 2018 1:27 PM
        Comment #434014

        CORRECTION:
        A study by the GAO Report (GAO-05-646R) found the following (for a study group of 55,332 illegal immigrants (about 3.76% 12.7% of all 436,313) incarcerated during 1 year (1-JUL-2002 to 30-JUN-2003) in 7 of 50 states: Colorado, Florida, Montana, Oklahoma, Oregon, New Jersey, and North Carolina):

        • the study group of 55,332 illegal immigrants is only 3.76% 12.7% of all illegal immigrants incarcerated in year 2003; the total number of people incarcerated in state and federal prisons and jails was 1,470,045 (in 2003, 29% (436,313) were illegal immigrants; as of 2018, the 32% of all persons in federal prison are illegal immigrants);
        • each illegal immigrant was arrested an average of 8 times;
        • 80% of all arrests were in 3 states: California(58%), Texas(14%), and Arizona(8%);
        • 97% were arrested more than once;
          : : : : :

        Posted by: d.a.n at November 6, 2018 2:07 PM
        Comment #434015

        Is it justified?
        Posted by: phx8 at November 6, 2018 10:45 AM

        Weary and kctim answered well. I agree with them.

        If the Obama administration can blame a video for the murders of American diplomats and others in Benghazi; I guess it’s OK for the Trump administration to blame a border jumping murderer for murder.

        Posted by: Royal Flush at November 6, 2018 2:51 PM
        Comment #434016

        Perhaps our Nazi-enthusiast Pal j2t2 will recognize the similarity between these Nazi’s and many in the Democrat Party today.

        His and Herrs: Photos reveal how cross-dressing Nazis loved to wear women’s clothes for fun during World War Two

        His and Herrs: Photos reveal how cross-dressing Nazis loved to wear women’s clothes for fun during World War Two

        Posted by: Royal Flush at November 6, 2018 3:03 PM
        Comment #434017
        phx8 asked: Is it justified [to stop showing 30 second video]?
        Dumb question.

        News stations can refuse to stop playing any video, despite already playing it 18 times on NBC.

        There is nothing racist in the video.
        It is all true.
        No one has yet stated (much less proven) any of it is false.

        That video is much milder than the horrible reality for many victims and survivors of crime by illegal immigrants.

        IF only Democrats and others on the left cared about those victims and survivors as much as they cared about some Kavanaugh accusers without a shred of evidence. No partisan hypocrisy there, eh?

        The News Stations that stopped playing the ad are simply trying to hide the truth.
        The truth is, NOT all illegal immigrants are criminals, but many are, and many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people are killed in the U.S.A. every year by illegal immigrants.
        Since when did the truth become “Racist” ?!?

        Posted by: d.a.n at November 6, 2018 5:18 PM
        Comment #434020
        Perhaps our Nazi-enthusiast Pal j2t2 will recognize the similarity between these Nazi’s and many in the Democrat Party today.

        Good point about the Nazis Royal, It is something I haven’t considered when discussing the issue. Perhaps if you really believe crossdressing to be a sign of Nazism you should consider the conservatives Golden Boy and his revered friend.

        Posted by: j2t2 at November 6, 2018 7:54 PM
        Comment #434021
        The Nazi thing again, eh? That’s one of the symptoms of TDS (believing everyone who disagrees with you are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, and Beastialists).

        D., TDS is a conservative disease resulting from the effects of a massive cognitive dissonance episode. It results in a conservative response to anything that may get in the way of the big lie, you know “fake news” its gotta be “fake news”.


        Although it didn’t go by the same name in the 30’s the methods used to inflict the equivalent of TDS were the same as used today. Just look at PHX8’s comment on the techniques you guys use to keep the big lie alive and terrifying your neighbors.

        Posted by: j2t2 at November 6, 2018 8:05 PM
        Comment #434044

        Can’t say I am happy about the 06-NOV-2018 election results, but it wasn’t exactly a blue wave either.

        On the positive side, Democrats did not feel a need to go into the streets to protest, riot, burn and commit violence, like some Democrats and people on the left did after the 8-NOV-2016 election.

        Posted by: d.a.n at November 7, 2018 2:38 PM
        Comment #434049
        phx8 wrote: Predictions: The blue tsunami delivers the House. Let’s say a 45 seat pickup.
        This is not a blue wave. It is more like a blue ripple (only 28 (5.2% of 545) seats changed thus far):
        • The Senate is currently: 51(+2) Republican, 46(-2)Democrats, 3 undecided (and FL & AZ likely go Republican)
        • The House is currently: 196(-26) Republican, 221(+26) Democrat, 18 undecided thus far;
        • Governorships: 25(-7) Republicans, 23(+7) Democrats, 2 undecided (and AK & GA likely go Republican);
        Posted by: d.a.n at November 7, 2018 3:41 PM
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