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Black Americans for the President’s Agenda have run a radio ad in Arkansas’ 2nd district that is unsubtle to put it politely and seems to try to blend Jim Crow with Justice Kavanaugh’s hearings on Capitol Hill. The man the ad is either supporting or targeting seems to be the district’s GOP representative French Hill, a moderately wonky Republican who served at Treasury and at the Economy Policy Council for Bush 41 and has fairly extensive experience in the financial industry. And of course has been the 2nd district’s representative since 2014.

The ad features two women who are clearly black speaking about how the Kavanaugh hearings mean that any overturning of the presumption of innocence - as illustrated by the Kavanaugh hearings - will potentially portend a wave of lynching's perpetrated by Southern Democrats who will bring back the days of Jim Crow. In order to hold back this horrifying tide of racist violence voters - one assumes African American voters in the 2nd district in Arkansas, a three-quarters white district - have to support French Hill and the GOP. The group appears to be unaffiliated with French Hill's campaign.

French Hill himself has quickly issued a condemnation on Twitter and will surely be spending the rest of this race distancing himself from this ad.

So, who are Black Americans for the President's Agenda? Apparently, the treasurer is one Vernon Robinson, a former Winston-Salem city councilor (alderman in fact back in the late 90's when he served and before they changed the title) who this summer switched from the Republican Party to the Constitution Party for what seem to be Libertarian frustrations on Robinson's part. He's run unsuccessfully for various seats since his time as a city councilor.

Is Robinson trying to put his little PAC (he's raised about 150,000 which to you and me is a wonderful amount of money but in times when certain individual Senate Candidates raise around 40 million it's not even a rounding error) on the map and brand his organization as a feisty nationalist-conservative-libertarian political action committee with a unique perspective? If so, he's doing it at the expense of Representative Hill.

It's not overwhelmingly likely that this ad will cause a comment from the president with everything happening right now, and one hopes that Trump will either not hear of the ad, or if he does, refrain from commenting. But that's just me, I guess. Because if he does hear of the ad, one can easily imagine President Trump taking this little local scandal and blowing it up into a nasty, national slug fest about the Democratic Party's past.

That's all the mid-term elections would need, isn't it? President Trump reminding voters that Southern Democrats were once the ultimate white nationalists. Of course, historically he would be right, but politically it most likely would be a disaster ... wouldn't it?

Posted by AllardK at October 19, 2018 1:11 PM
Comments
Comment #433080

While “Guilty Until Proven Innocent” would be dangerous, it would be dangerous for everyone.
It would be so dangerous that it would be the end of the rule-of-law for everyone.

Yes, the ads are not helping Hill.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 19, 2018 6:02 PM
Comment #433083

Show of hands please.

Do you want the migrant caravan stopped before they reach our border?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 19, 2018 6:40 PM
Comment #433093
Royal Flush wrote: Show of hands please. Do you want the migrant caravan stopped before they reach our border?

Yes!

However, that would require that Mexico, and other Central American countries to stop them.
It is unlikely those conntries will help much with that; partly, because immigrants send money back to those countries.

IF those countries don’t want to cooperate, then why should the U.S. want to continue to send aid to those countries?

Unfortunately, the current laws are ridiculous, and once the illegal immigrants cross into the U.S., and provided they have not committed other crimes, they can be detained, or released and expected to voluntarily return on a specified court date (of which, few ever return).

Not all of the illegal immigrants can be detained, because there is currently no place to detain all of them.

How did these laws get so screwed up?
Democrats made it that way.
Democrats want open-borders.
Democrats want sanctuary cities and states.
Democrats want to turn red states to blue states, by changing the demographics.
Democrats want illegal immigration, because it can increase the Democrats’ representation in Congress, because district boundaries (and therefore, electoral votes) are determined by the population of the district, and the Every-10-Year-CENSUS does not verify citizenship.

Democrats have been despicably pandering to illegal immigrants for votes (i.e, via promises of amnesty; sanctuary states and cities; welfare, etc.), and Democrats have been despicably pitting U.S. Citizens and illegal immigrants against each other, for decades, for votes and power.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 19, 2018 10:30 PM
Comment #433096

Many illegal immigrants commit no crimes (excluding the fact that trespassing our border is illegal), but if you think illegal aliens pose no threat or burden to citizens, then please read the following.

These are crimes that should have never occurred.
Democrats pretend that they are showing compassion for the illegal immigrants.
But where is the Democrats’ compassion for these victims of crimes by illegal immigrants, which are crimes that should have never occurred, and could have been prevented:

  • http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens/
  • www.immigrationshumancost.org/
  • www.ice.gov/voice
  • twitter.com/aviacusa?lang=en
  • www.aviac.us/
  • Texas Criminal Illegal Alien Data:
    www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm ;
    www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/illegalArstConv.pdf ;
    www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm ;
  • Where is the Democrats’ compassion for our U.S. citizen dreamers? theremembranceproject.org/
Congress needs to act A.S.A.P.; to end catch-and-release; to secure the borders; to uphold the rule-of-law.

IF for no other reason, and IF some Republicans don’t get it yet, it should be obvious to Republicans that Democrats are changing the demographics (via massive illegal immigration), and IF Democrats flip one more state (i.e. Texas) from red to blue, it will essentially be the end of the Republican party.

Voters have a choice on 06-NOV-2018.
A vote for Democrats is a vote for:

  • open borders; more illegal immigration;
  • another shamnesty like the one in 1989 (which quadrupled the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S.);
  • more sanctuary cities and states (despite $110 Billion in net annaul losses in California due to illegal immigration);
  • despicably pandering to illegal immigrants for votes and more representation in Congress; despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, and an attempt to turn red states to blue states, via massive and uncontrolled illegal immigration;
  • higher taxes;
  • a nanny-state with citizens increasingly dependent on the government;
  • massive cradle-to-grave government programs (which are usually severely mismanaged) that nurture a sense of entitlement and dependency on government;
  • disguising envy and jealousy as demands for equality;
  • rewarding failure and laziness; perpetuate the myth that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else; more and more government and control, which is already beyond nightmare proportions; socialism, in general;
  • embracing “Guilty until proven innocent”; then end of rule-of-law;
  • inciting and encouraging forcible and violent suppression of opposition (an element of fascism); i.e. encouragement (including, by Congress persons), and attacking Trump supporters;
    For example:
    • Hillary Clinton said: “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, for what you care about,” … “That’s why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again,”
      - source: thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/410566-clinton-you-cant-be-civil-with-a-party-that-wants-to-destroy
    • former AG Eric Holder said: “When they go low, we kick them.”
      - source: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/11/eric_holder_when_they_go_low_we_kick_them.html
    • CA. Representative Maxine Waters said: “If you see anybody from the [Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!”
      - source: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/25/maxine_waters_god_is_on_our_side.html
    • NJ. Senator Cory Booker said: “Get in their face.”
      - source: insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/28/cory-booker-pleads-supporters-get-face-congresspeople
    • Barack Obama said: “Argue with neighbors, get in their face …”,)
      - source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM6UjwwP90
    • Barack Obama said: “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.”
      - source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM6UjwwP90
    • more evidence of increased violence from the left since year 2016:
      www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

Posted by: d.a.n at October 19, 2018 10:35 PM
Comment #433115

The only sure way to end the illegal alien problem is to strictly enforce our laws against the hiring of illegal aliens. Using work place enforcement, e-verify, and prosecution and jail time for employers who hire them would go a long way to ending this. If they cant get jobs, they won’t come. Take away the incentive.

Posted by: dbs at October 20, 2018 6:51 AM
Comment #433117

The incentives (plural). There’s more incentives than just jobs.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 20, 2018 9:09 AM
Comment #433118
dbs wrote: The only sure way to end the illegal alien problem is to strictly enforce our laws against the hiring of illegal aliens. Using work place enforcement, e-verify, and prosecution and jail time for employers who hire them would go a long way to ending this. If they cant get jobs, they won’t come. Take away the incentive.
Weary Willie wrote: The incentives (plural). There’s more incentives than just jobs.
Absolutely!

eVerify (and/or other citizenship verification systems; there are many such systems available today) is very important (possibly, the most important requirement).

The incentives are numerous (see below), and Democrats like it that way, because Democrats are trying to win power by changing the electorate (i.e. by changing the demographics), because the every-10-year CENSUS does not verify citizenship, and districts are re-drawn based on population, which determines the representation in the House of Representatives (and the number of electoral votes).

eVerify and prosecution of greedy illegal employers is necessary, and again, equally as (if not more) important than border security.
The border must also be secured too, because there is also a lot of human and drug trafficking across the border.
But, the greedy illegal employers, who despicably pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other, for profits, should be prosecuted harshly.
And each subsequent violation should double or triple the penalty, and an exceeded limit should include jail-time for the illegal employer.

Also, illegal immigrants should not be able to get food stamps, welfare, driver’s licenses, instant citizenship IF born in the U.S. by an illegal immigrant, nor should illegal immigrants be able to vote in our local, state, and federal elections.

Illegal immigrants burden the following:

  • Crime is a serious issue, but only part of the many issues costing U.S. tax payers net losses several hundred billion dollars per year;
    • source#1: fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers
    • source#2: www.immigrationshumancost.org/
  • burden on education systems;
  • burden on healthcare systems;
  • burden on Medicaid system;
  • burden on hospital systems; 84 hospitals closed in California due to illegal immigrants;
    • source#1: www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2070-illegal-immigrants-overrun-arizonas-emergency-rooms
    • source#2: www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/06/border-hospitals-brink/
    • source#3: www.nytimes.com/2002/08/25/us/hospitals-feeling-strain-from-illegal-immigrants.html
    • source#4: www.snopes.com/fact-check/parkland-memorial-hospital/
    • source#5: www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#3dcd095512c4
  • a whopping 70% of women giving birth at Parkland Memorial hospital in Dallas,TX are illegal immigrants. Those newborn are currently considered U.S. citizens, and then mother can then get a Blue Passport, and collect welfare for the child.
  • burden on welfare systems;
    • in year 2012, 62% of illegal immigrants receive some form of welfare for food, Medicaid, cash welfare, emergency medical care, education, WIC, and housing;
    • source#1: cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Legal-and-Illegal-Immigrant-Households
    • source#2: nypost.com/2018/03/10/cutting-welfare-to-illegal-aliens-would-pay-for-trumps-wall/
    • source#3: cis.org/Ting/Tax-Cuts-Bill-Gives-Welfare-Illegal-Aliens
  • burden on border patrol systems; ever increasing numbers are needed; over 2,100 illegal border crossings (on average) per day, as of MAY-2018;
  • burden on insurance systems; illegal aliens can/will not pay for damages they cause; they drive without auto insurance;
  • burden on law enforcement systems; costing California over $134 Billion per year in net losses;
  • burden on prison systems; 32% of persons in federal prison are illegal immigrants;
    - source: cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens
  • millions of displaced American workers; partly because half of all illegal immigrants that don’t pay any income taxes, and greedy employers that don’t pay matching federal taxes, etc.;
  • Yet, Congress keeps bringing in 1.1+ Million (legal) foreign workers per year;
  • voter fraud; burden on voting systems;
    • source: www.westernjournal.com/texas-voter-fraud-ring-busted-slapped-nearly-30-felony-charges/
    • www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/19-illegal-immigrants-in-nc-voted-in-2016-election-feds/83-587333046
    • fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/noncitizens-voting-violations-and-us-elections
    • www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/san-francisco-allows-undocumented-immigrants-vote-school-elections-n893221
    • www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Mexican-national-pleads-guilty-to-illegal-voting-13228190.php
    • www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/add-these-voter-fraud-cases-the-growing-list

Posted by: d.a.n at October 20, 2018 12:48 PM
Comment #433119

Immigration policy will continue to fester, and divide Americans, until congress fixes the many problems with our current flawed laws.

Lobbyists on both sides of the congressional isle put intense pressure on our lawmakers to allow this national wound to continue festering.

Financial greed and lust for power are at the root of the problem. It is the wealthy and well-placed who benefit most. There is not a majority consensus among voting Americans to pressure their elected officials to fix our broken system. Politics is the dividing force.

Strong leaders such as President Trump are needed to coalesce the national will to demand changes.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 20, 2018 2:44 PM
Comment #433120

Complete baloney from the conservatives.

In 2013 the Obama administration and Senator Marco Rubio led a bipartisan effort to craft an immigration compromise. It passed the Senate with bipartisan support. The bill failed in the House because of opposition from stone cold racists like Congressman Steve King (R-IA).

You may remember King because of his racist, bigoted statements in the past. Anyone need Steve King quotes! He is a veritable treasure house of bigoted statements. Anyway, he was put in charge of writing the revised House version, which was only supported by a minority of racist, bigoted Republicans and failed.

Prejudice against immigrants among US whites is NOT new. It has resulted in such legislative gems as the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, and the immigration legislation of 1924, which called for zero immigration, and included the Asian Exclusion Act. The 1924 legislation was praised by AG Sessions.

So what is happening today is NOT new, or some sort of intractable problem. Racism and bigotry from the rural, white crowds of Trump reflect a long American tradition of hatred. Today we see Trump denounce them as “criminals,” “rapists,” “MS-13,” and more. We have seen an unconstitutional effort to ban all Muslims from coming to this country.

The excuses do not change over time. Immigrants, legal and illegal, supposedly cost money, and commit a lot of crimes. They steal jobs! Now, that one requires a kind of “1984” doublethink, because at the same time, Trump supposedly created a “new economy” and we’re at full employment.

And heavens! Immigrants, legal and illegal, might vote for Democrats! Lol. Worst excuse for bigotry- ever.

(Extra for experts. In the first 20 months of the Trump administration, an average of @ 190,000 non-farm payroll jobs per month have been created. Apples to apples comparison: during the last 20 months of the Obama administration, an average of 208,000 jobs per month were created. Oooh, Trump, so close! Keep trying!)


Posted by: phx8 at October 20, 2018 3:33 PM
Comment #433121

“The bill failed in the House because of opposition from stone cold racists like Congressman Steve King (R-IA).”

I am not quite sure what phx8 means by “failure”.

House Speaker John Boehner did not act on the bill and it expired at the end of the 113th Congress. Boehner said he didn’t trust Obama to keep the promises he made to enforce certain portions of the bill.

The comprehensive immigration reform bill passed by the Senate included a path to citizenship for 11.7 million unauthorized immigrants which was hard to swallow for Republican House members who were sent to Washington to fix immigration, not legalize more illegals.


The Immigration Control and Reform Act of 1986 signed by President Reagan was something of a “con-job” that allowed millions of immigrants in the country illegally to have legal status with a promise of workplace enforcement and other measures to curb future illegal immigration.

Those promises were not kept by the Democrats. I can’t blame Republican House members for not wanting to participate in another “con-job” under Obama.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 20, 2018 4:26 PM
Comment #433122

It was not all Republicans who opposed the 2013 bill. The House could have passed a difficult bill with Democratic and Republican bipartisan support. The problem is that a faction of the Republicans opposed this.

These opponents are the Republicans that Trump appeals to, and this is the faction that has taken over the GOP. Trump supporters. Deplorables. Many Republicans- Never-Trumpers- have left the party because of the hatred and bigotry that has conquered the party. Much to the dismay of the Never Trumpers, it turns out a lot of Republicans could not care less about the deficit, debt, or small government, or lower taxes, or doing away with the social safety net, or a Neo-Con foreign policy. The departing Republicans have been replaced by a wave of independents who like what they see in the new GOP.

We are seeing the results. Mobs of right wingers at Trump rallies, cheering and jeering as Trump pretends to body slam a journalist, just like the Montana Representative who pleaded guilty to doing just that. That is popular in Trump’s GOP.

And today, when Trump denounces thousands of migrants as “hardened criminals” without a shred of evidence and stokes the flames of hatred, or claims the Democrats are making this caravan happen, again without a shred of evidence, the deplorables are cheering.

Posted by: phx8 at October 20, 2018 5:27 PM
Comment #433123

phx8, we have all heard, and memorized, your anti-Trump; anti-Conservative, and pro-illegal immigration spiel many times. Next time just use Rush Limbaugh’s refrain of….”DITTO” and we will understand.

Since you fail to address my question; “Do you want the migrant caravan stopped before they reach our border?”, we will place you in the “NO” column.

I answered your question about the “Gang of Eight” senate group that passed immigration reform that never reached the floor in the House for a vote. You completely ignore the reasons I gave. Is that because you (A) don’t understand them? (B) Don’t agree with them?; or (C) agree with anything the Dems want and have no opinion of your own?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 20, 2018 6:01 PM
Comment #433124

“Do you want the migrant caravan stopped before they reach our border?”

I’m fine with them asking for asylum and receiving due process in accordance with American and international law (and basic human decency), being given a background check, and being admitted to the country. That is what this country is all about.

The immigration reform of 2013 died in the House because Boehner could not deliver his caucus, and he flatly refused to go to conference with the Senate. Instead, Congressman King and Bachmann wrote a wish list for the House GOP. It died. As far as I know, there was never even a vote in the House. The Democrats and perhaps 1/3 or more of the GOP would have supported the bill.

Those opponents are now ascendant in the GOP, and we are seeing the hatred unleashed by Trump.

Don’t kid yourself. We are not the first country to go down this path.

It does not end well.

Posted by: phx8 at October 20, 2018 6:35 PM
Comment #433125

Thanks for answering my question phx8. And, I correctly placed you in the “NO” column.

Since there were no guarantees that Obama and his stooges in the senate would not pull another “con-job”, I could not support legalizing over eleven million illegals already in our country.

The Democrats lied to President Reagan and our borders remained open for an additional flood of illegals despite the legislation.

The “Gang of Eight” thought they could fool the people a second time. Since the House was not filled with morons expecting a different result this time, we avoided sanctioning the Democrat plan to flood America with immigrants.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 20, 2018 6:46 PM
Comment #433126
phx8 wrote: Complete baloney from the conservatives.
The phx8 bot and j2t2 bot are programmed to search for “border wall”, “secure the borders”, “Trump”, and similar terms, and then respond with:
  • You are a Racist!
  • You are a Xenophobe!
  • You are Fascist!
  • You are a Nazi!
  • You are a Bigot!

Anyone who you dares to argue any of the many valid reasons against illegal immigration, will be called names (i.e. racist, bigot, xenophobe, Nazi, Fascists, etc.) and faced with a myriad of nonsensical excuses (see below) from Democrats, many on the left, and other open-borders crowd, and similar ilk):

  • EXCUSE # 01: Tradition:
    • MYTH: As George Bush said: “We are a land of immigrants”. We can not pull up the drawbridge now, unless we dismantle the Statue of Liberty. Otherwise, we are all hypocrites.
    • TRUTH: This is a common ploy. Yes, we are a land of immigrants. Mostly legal. We are enriched by legal immigration; not by massive, uncontrolled, illegal immigration. You would not allow large numbers of uninvited persons to come live in your home, use your food, utilities, and space. So, why would you let them come into your community, uninvited, and use your schools, hospitals, ERs, Medicaid, welfare, highways, and vote in your elections?
  • EXCUSE # 02: Economics:
    • MYTH: The U.S. will crumble without illegal immigrants. We need immigrants to pay the Social Security of the Baby Boomers when they begin to retire. Immigrants do jobs citizens won’t do. Who would pick our produce? Who would make the beds and wash the dishes?
    • TRUTH: This is another common myth, since illegal immigrants are costing U.S. tax payers a net loss of at least $70 billion per year (and possibly as much as $326.7 billion annually). $70 billion will pick a lot of vegetables and fruit, eh? Guarded and electronically monitored fences along all U.S. land borders would cost about $10 billion per year. How does that compare to the $70 billion per year in net losses to U.S. taxpayers?
  • EXCUSE # 03: Humanitarianism:
    • MYTH: You are selfish to put the needs of poor citizens ahead of more desperate people in other nations, by denying them entry into our country. The U.S. is obligated to share with others. Large-scale immigration is a significant way for the U.S. to help the impoverished people of the world.
    • TRUTH: It is also selfish to forget to show compassion for your fellow citizens that go without because illegal immigrants have stolen from and burdened our welfare, Medicaid, education, healthcare, hospital, E.R., Medicare, Social Security, law enforcement, prison, insurance, and voting systems. Also, without the sovereign right of nations to control their own borders and immigration, people in places where things are not as good will always descend upon places where things are better, ruining it for everyone. We can be enriched by controlled immigration, but massive, uncontrolled immigration (legal or not) is a recipe for disaster, chaos, increased crime, racism, resentments, and societal disorder.
  • EXCUSE # 04: Diversity / Racism:
    • MYTH: Increasing diversity through immigration is necessary to be true to our civil rights principles. Opposition to illegal immigration is racist. We are obligated to accommodate millions of immigrants per year because our strength is our diversity; the diversity of immigrants made America great. And, Christopher Columbus was the first illegal immigrant, and we stole the land from the Indians.
    • TRUTH: That is the old stand-by. You are a racist. However, race has nothing to do with it since illegal immigrants are of all races from all over the world. Diversity is good, but massive, uncontrolled, illegal immigration itself leads to racism due to chaos, resentments, increased crime, societal disorder, and increased competition for a slice of a shrinking pie.
  • EXCUSE # 05: Irredentism:
    • MYTH: We have no right to secure U.S. borders, because U.S. borders are illegitimate to start with. The U.S. really belongs to the Indians and other neighboring nations, to start with.
    • TRUTH: This is another weak argument. If you want to use that logic, we should all give back all of our nations to the original inhabitants, or their ancestors. This weak argument is just one of many that demonstrate how weak all of the pro-open-border arguments really are.
  • EXCUSE # 06: Cornucopianism:
    • MYTH: The free market and technology will save us. We are the land of plenty. Besides, we need illegal immigrants to grow out of our massive debt problems. They will become new tax payers, and we can grow our way out of debt.
    • TRUTH: Even if that were true, does it justify exploitation of an under-paid under-class? To attempt to remedy our own debt problems? This simply does not make sense, since illegal immigrants are costing U.S. taxpayers net losses of over $70 billion to $326.7 billion per year. Besides, how can importing massive numbers of uneducated and impoverished improve the economy. 32% of illegal immigrants receive welfare. 32% of all incarcerated in U.S. federal prisons are illegal immigrants. How will technology resolve that?
      The U.S.:
      • cannot afford to fix the economic and political problems of all neighboring countries, much less the other nations from which illegal immigrants originate (on other continents).
      • cannot afford the time and cost to fix Mexico, and even if it could, illegal immigrants come from hundreds of the other nations, and the U.S. cannot fix all of them (despite the billion$ in aid sent to numerous foreign nations);
      • cannot afford to be the world police
      • cannot afford to be nation-builders;
      • cannot afford to let every one come here from all over the world;
      • cannot afford to fix other nations’ problems around the world, when we can’t fix our own;
      • cannot afford any of it, because the U.S. already has enough debt of its own;
      • cannot stop illegal immigration with a border fence alone; the U.S. must enforce eVerify;
  • EXCUSE # 07: Globalism:
    • MYTH: We live in a global economy now, requiring new global solutions. Securing the U.S. borders is futile, since it is inadequate to deal with globalization.
    • TRUTH: This is a complete non-sequitur. Secure borders and a global economy have little (if anything) to do with each other. Nations have the sovereign right to secure their borders, and that is necessary, because without it, massive numbers of people from places where things are not as good would invade places where things are better, ruining it for everyone. We can not immigrate our way out of our fiscal and economic problems. Especially with increasing competition abroad, growing corpocrisy and corporatism within government, and an increasingly irresponsible, elitist, bought-and-paid-for, look-the-other-way government.
  • EXCUSE # 08: Practicality:
  • MYTH: It is not possible to deport 12+ million illegal immigrants.
  • TRUTH: There is no need to deport illegal immigrants. Enforce existing laws to prosecute greedy illegal employers, and most illegal immigrants will leave voluntarily. For those left, we can help deport those that volunteer to be deported, but once the magnets are eliminated, illegal immigrants will leave voluntarily. We could provide $500 (per person) and pre-paid transportation to each illegal immigrant volunteering to leave the U.S. That may cost as much as $12 billion, but it is a one-time cost, and it is still miniscule compared to the current annual losses of about $279 Billion (and climbing, year after year).
  • EXCUSE # 09: Racism and Xenophobia:
    • MYTH: You are a racist and xenophobe if you don’t want wide-open borders and have any problems with unchecked immigration.
    • TRUTH: Racism and xenophobia has nothing to do with it. Massive immigration (legal or not) causes many societal problems. Greedy corporations and illegal employers of illegal immigrants use the constant influx of illegal immigrants to depress wages and boost their own profits. Pandering politicians do it for votes, despicably pitting American citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes. The net losses due to illegal immigration are estimated to be about $279 Billion.
  • EXCUSE # 10: The Risk of War:
    • MYTH: You are risking war by expecting existing laws to be enforced to prosecute illegal employers of illegal immigrants.
    • TRUTH: This is more fear-mongering stooping to its lowest levels, and more misplaced compassion (if genuine) at its worst (i.e. more compassion for illegal immigrants than fellow Americans).
  • EXCUSE # 11: A Wall Won’t Work:
    • MYTH: A wall won’t work.
    • TRUTH: A barrier will work if it is also monitored by border patrol. There is ample evidence in many nations that show that a wall works quite well. And it doesn’t have to be a wall. A barrier (or fence) is merely a delay mechanism to make trespass more difficult; it is unlikely anything can stop all trespass 100% of the time, but giving up is not the solution; more border patrol is the solution; and where fences and patrols have been implemented, they have proven to be very effective.

Democrats, some on the left, and the open-borders groups hate the following decline in illegal immigrants trespassing the U.S. borders:

    • People Apprehended at the SouthWest U.S. Border:
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    • 0.30 M |_____________________________________________________________0__
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    • 0.10 M |_________________________________________________________________
    • 0.00 M |2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018@MAY31 ___ YEARDATE
    • Source: www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

Why are Democrats, pro-open-borders groups, and similar ilk are so strongly opposed to a border barrier and more border patrol?
Because the Democrats want continued, massive illegal immigration, because they want to regain power via demographic changes via massive illegal immigration, which can give them more representation in the House of Representatives (and electoral votes) when district boundaries are redrawn (after each 10-year CENSUS).

Essentially, Democrats have been despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes.
It ain’t easy to get much more despicable than that.

Therefore, since the majority of Americans want the borders secured, and less immigration, the phx8 bot, the j2t2 bot, and the Democrats are calling the majority of Americans racists, bigots, xenophobes, Nazis, and Fascists.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 20, 2018 10:02 PM
Comment #433127

“Essentially, Democrats have been despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes.”

Sheesh, d.a.n., illegal immigrants can’t even vote. How is “pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other” supposed to work? That makes no sense whatsoever.

“… are calling the majority of Americans racists, bigots, xenophobes, Nazis, and Fascists.”

Not the majority. 30% seems about right. You might wonder how that can be possible. But we are not the first country to experience this. There are plenty of fine countries with highly developed cultures that have gone a lot farther down this path than the United States, with much worse outcomes.

Posted by: phx8 at October 20, 2018 10:15 PM
Comment #433128
phx8 Bot wrote: Complete baloney from the conservatives.
You wish. See above.
phx8 Bot wrote: In 2013 the Obama administration and Senator Marco Rubio led a bipartisan effort to craft an immigration compromise. It passed the Senate with bipartisan support. The bill failed in the House because of opposition from stone cold racists like Congressman Steve King (R-IA). You may remember King because of his racist, bigoted statements in the past. Anyone need Steve King quotes! He is a veritable treasure house of bigoted statements. Anyway, he was put in charge of writing the revised House version, which was only supported by a minority of racist, bigoted Republicans and failed.
That is because Democrats are not serious about stopping illegal immigration. Democrats, pro-open-border groups, and similar ilk so, so strongly are opposed to a border barrier and more border patrol?, because the Democrats want continued, massive illegal immigration, because they want to regain power via demographic changes via massive illegal immigration, which can give them more representation in the House of Representatives (and electoral votes) when district boundaries are redrawn (after each 10-year CENSUS, which does not verify citizenship).

The majority of Americans want the borders secured, and less immigration, the phx8 bot and the Democrats are calling the majority of Americans racists, bigots, xenophobes, Nazis, and Fascists.

phx8 Bot wrote: Prejudice against immigrants among US whites is NOT new … So what is happening today is NOT new, or some sort of intractable problem. Racism and bigotry from the rural, white crowds of Trump reflect a long American tradition of hatred. Today we see Trump denounce them as “criminals,” “rapists,” “MS-13,” and more.
Not true. Trump said some are good people, but some are not. That is a true statement.
phx8 Bot wrote: We have seen an unconstitutional effort to ban all Muslims from coming to this country.
Not true. The ban was on people from specific nations with a lot of terrorism.
phx8 Bot wrote: The excuses do not change over time. Immigrants, legal and illegal, supposedly cost money, and commit a lot of crimes.
Illegal immigration does cost a lot. Politifact admits it us as high as $279 Billion per year in net losses.
  • Source: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jan/23/donald-trump/does-immigration-policy-impose-300-billion-annuall/
  • As for crime, those are crimes that should have never occurred (a fact the phx8 Bot so convienently and cruely ignores). So, phx8 can tell that to the thousands of victims and survivors of victims of crime by illegal immigrants.
    phx8 Bot wrote: And heavens! Immigrants, legal and illegal, might vote for Democrats! Lol. Worst excuse for bigotry- ever.
    True. See, you aren’t wrong all of the time, but even a broken clock is correct twice per day.

    Illegal immigrants do vote in our elections, and it could make a difference in close elections.
    Of course, you don’t care, because you know most of them are likely to for votes, and you also know that Democrats are trying to gain power via massive illegal immigration, because Democrats want to gain power via demographic changes via massive illegal immigration, which can give them more representation in the House of Representatives (and electoral votes) when district boundaries are redrawn (after each 10-year CENSUS, which does not verify citizenship).

    phx8 Bot wrote: (Extra for experts. In the first 20 months of the Trump administration, an average of @ 190,000 non-farm payroll jobs per month have been created. Apples to apples comparison: during the last 20 months of the Obama administration, an average of 208,000 jobs per month were created. Oooh, Trump, so close! Keep trying!)
    That is not an Apples to apples comparison.

    The sectors which have seen the most and least job gains under the Trump administration, with comparison to that of Obama’s.
    In President Trump’s first 20 months in office, the U.S. has seen 3.8 million jobs added.
    Obama’s 4.3 had million jobs added in the same time frame (482,000 more).

    However, in comparison to former President Obama, Trump has achieved significant job growth in sectors such as manufacturing, wholesale trade, and mining/logging.

    On the other hand, job growth under President Trump has lacked in comparison to Obama in education and health, leisure/hospitality, and retail trade.

  • Source: www.etftrends.com/trump-vs-obama-most-jobs-created-first-20-months/
  • Also, during Obama’s first term, there was nowhere to go but up, because the markets had already bottomed out. Therefore, that is also not an Apples to apples comparison. Job creation under Trump could have exceeded job creation under Obama in the first 20 months, had Trump did not have to deal with all of the horrible trade deals with other nations, which has caused some pain and losses, but it was necessary to establish more fair trade for the U.S.
    Also, check again in 2020, and 2024. phx8 Bot may be eating more crow.

    The phx8 Bot (perhaps, a Russion Bot) seems almost as if it wants the economy, stock market, and economy to tank.

    As I recall, the phx8 Bot was predicintg the “end of the world” and “stock market crash” after Trump wsa elected.
    So much for the phx8 Bot predictions, eh?

    phx8 Bot wrote: Sheesh, d.a.n., illegal immigrants can’t even vote. How is “pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other” supposed to work? That makes no sense whatsoever.
    Evidently, the phx8 Bot is not too bright.

    (1)Illegal immigrants do vote in our elections.
    (2)Districts are redrawn, which determines the number of House Representatives (and therefore, electoral votes too), based on the 10-year-CENSUS, which does not verify citizenship (and illegal immigrants do respond to the CENSUS);

    phx8 Bot wrote: Not the majority. 30% seems about right. You might wonder how that can be possible. But we are not the first country to experience this. There are plenty of fine countries with highly developed cultures that have gone a lot farther down this path than the United States, with much worse outcomes.
    Racism exists, but not by the people that the phx8 Bot accuses of it. That is a lame tactic used by Democrats and pro-open-borders groups.

    The majority of Americans want border security, and Racism and xenophobia has nothing to do with it.
    Massive immigration (legal or not) causes many societal problems. Greedy corporations and illegal employers of illegal immigrants use the constant influx of illegal immigrants to depress wages and boost their own profits. Democrats and pro-open-border groups despicably pander (via promises of citizenship, amnesty, and other magnets) for votes, despicably pitting American citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, despite the net losses due to illegal immigration are estimated to be about $279 Billion per year.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 20, 2018 11:20 PM
    Comment #433129

    Amazing how some people claiming racism by others are actually the most guilty of racism.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 20, 2018 11:29 PM
    Comment #433130

    Immigration used to be handled by the individual states. It wasn’t until the 1900-10 when the federal government took over immigration into the U.S.

    Why are all our current problems federal government problems? Why are all our problems the result of Progressive politics starting with the Department of the Interior? Teddy, a Republican, no, a Bull Moose, No, a Progressive, Teddy Roosevelt decided the federal government is more important than the states.

    Why don’t we hear about state problems? Why is the focus of our attention on our federal government?

    Please! Give us a break. 435 people can’t represent 3.4 million people. It just can’t be done! Why are we kidding ourselves?

    Quit sending so much money to D.C. Send it to your state house. Let the state give the fed it’s due.

    I’m tired of the federal government being the all. It’s all a figment of our imagination gone amok.

    I don’t think it works anymore.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 20, 2018 11:34 PM
    Comment #433131

    True, most of everything that the federal government does, it does very badly.

    The primary purpose of the federal government is national defense, and that includes border security. States do assist with border security, but some states are now sanctuary states (for nefarious reasons; for votes).

    Did you mean 435 House Representatives cannot represent 326 Million people (i.e. population of the U.S.A as of 2017)?

    I don’t think the number of representatives is the problem.
    I think part of the problem is that the number of representatives (and therefore, electoral votes) in distrcits, which are redrawn based on the 10-Year-CENSUS, is giving Democrats more representation, because the 10-Year-CENSUS does not verify citizenship.

    This is how Democrats are turning states blue.

    Republicans had better catch on to this tactic to gain power by changing the demographics (i.e. via massive illegal immigration). There are plans to put a citizenship status checkbox on the next CENSUS, but that still, in no way verifies citizenship, and illegal immigrants have been returning CENSUS forms. Democrats are opposed to the citizenship status checkbox on the CENSUS form, because Democrats want illegal immigrants to be counted in the population of each district (which affects how district boundaries are drawn). While there are 538 electoral votes, the numbers of electoral votes per state can change, depending on the state’s populations.

    For example, since 2012:

    • Florida gained 2 electoral votes
    • New York and Ohio each lost 2.
    • Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina, Utah and Washington gained one electoral vote.
    • Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey and Pennsylvania lost one electoral vote.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 21, 2018 12:00 AM
    Comment #433134

    There’s no point in putting a check box for citizenship on the census questionnaire. People who are here illegally lie, so what’s the point.

    Legal immigrants won’t lie. They are legal. Why should they lie?

    The best way to handle this immigration situation is to eliminate the benefits. If they want to come here to work, then work. Who cares. It’s an agreement between two people.

    The things that clutter up that solution are the money that must be paid to people who think they need to be in the middle of that agreement. Those people are the ones who muck things up.

    Government thinks we’re all criminals and we need to be regulated. Government doesn’t trust us. The problem is we’ve been spoiled over the last century. We believed we can sustain an exorbitant lifestyle off the spoils of a world war that is long over.

    We’ve rebuilt the world that was destroyed and we now are on an equal playing field. It’s time to be selfish, because the rest of the world is capable of taking what we don’t protect.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 21, 2018 1:21 AM
    Comment #433143

    Yes, a checkbox is pointless, because it will probably only deter a few (if any) illegal immigrants from checking immigration status box on the CENSUS form.

    Weary Willie wrote: The best way to handle this immigration situation is to eliminate the benefits.

    That is possibly the most important step, and with no magnets (no jobs, welfare, education, healthcare, etc.), most illegal immigrants will self-deport.

    However, the borders must be secured also, because of human and drug trafficking, and the primary purpose of the federal government is national security.
    Currently, 32% of all persons in federal prison are illegal immigrants (source: cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federal-Inmates-Are-Aliens), and the estimated annual new losses due to illegal immigration is about $297 Billion (source: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jan/23/donald-trump/does-immigration-policy-impose-300-billion-annuall/).

    The solution:

    • Secure the borders immediately.
    • Fix the laws. Get rid of the catch-and-release laws. Prosecute greedy illegal employers, who despicably pit U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for profits.
    • Verify ALL voter’s and employees’ citizenship (or eligiblity to work in the U.S.), before permission to work and vote (employers can confirm eligibility via e-Verify which is 99.5+% accurate). Prosecute the greedy illegal employers.
    • Require deportation of ALL criminal illegal entries.
    • IF necessary, pass an amendment to the Constitution to eliminate automatic citizenship for illegal immigrant births. Stop the abuse of anchor babies and chain migration (though, there is nothing in the Constitution that gives automatic citizenship to newborn of illegal immigrants).
    • Require U.S. citizenship to acquire any public benefits (welfare, Medicaid, healthcare, food stamps, housing, drivers licenses, education, college tuition, and other U.S. benefits, etc.).
    • Voters must recognize that nothing is likely to ever improve as long as voters reward irresponsible open-border politicians with [re]election.
      Democrats want open-borders, and despicably, pit American citizens and illegal aliens against each other for votes. IF you don’t want open-borders, why vote for Democrats?
    • Lastly, only after the above have been done, pass a BILL to provide a path to citizenship ONLY for the truly innocent persons, which are some persons that were brought into the U.S. illegally by their parent(s) when young and have lived over N years of their life in the U.S., and are no longer dependent on their parents. This will be a painfully difficult and costly process, but one that will only get more costly and difficult until the borders are secured and the greedy illegal employers are stopped from employing illegal immigrants. Another broad amnesty is not the solution. Our politicians already failed to secure the borders and enforce existing laws after the last amnesty of 1986, so they can not be trusted again, and the U.S. must first secure the borders and enforce new and existing laws against illegal immigration, considering a path to citizenship ONLY for the truly innocent persons.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 21, 2018 12:11 PM
    Comment #433144

    According to phx8, me being a citizen, having served in our military, working and paying taxes most of my life, honoring our country, and obeying all our laws; but being a Conservative, makes me deplorable.

    According to phx8, those who are here illegally are dreamers.

    Does anyone still wonder why I label these Liberals as politically mentally deficient?

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 21, 2018 2:45 PM
    Comment #433145

    Royal Flush,
    I don’t get it.
    I think there is something fundamentally wrong with people who think others are Nazis, racists, fascists, or xenophobes, IF they also do NOT want:

    • open borders; more illegal immigration;
    • another shamnesty like the one in 1989 (which quadrupled the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S.);
    • more sanctuary cities and states (despite $297 Billion in net annaul losses due to illegal immigration);
    • to despicably pander to illegal immigrants for votes and more representation in Congress; despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, and attempting to turn red states to blue states, via massive and uncontrolled illegal immigration;
    • to raise taxes;
    • a nanny-state with citizens increasingly dependent on the government;
    • more massive cradle-to-grave government programs (which are usually severely mismanaged) that nurture a sense of entitlement and dependency on government;
    • to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality;
    • reward failure and laziness; and perpetuate the myth that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else; Democrats want more government and control, which is already beyond nightmare proportions; socialism, in general;
    • to embrace “Guilty until proven innocent”; then end of rule-of-law;
    • to incite and encourage forcible and violent suppression of opposition (an element of fascism).
    I seriously doubt it is true compassion for illegal immigrants, because IF it is, it is ridiculously misplaced, and effectively (and despicably) pits U.S. citizens against each other for votes for Democratc, and profits from cheap labor.
    Honestly, the only conclusion anyone with any common sense can arrive at is that:
    • (1) they are politically brain-washed, and they want to help Democrats acquire power via massive illegal immigration (i.e. via a demographic shift via massive illegal immigration); they may know exactly what they are doing, and they may now believe they can acquire power if they can turn enough states from red to blue, via massive illegal immigration.
    • (2) they are truly the true racists and fascists (as they, ironically, and despicably, call everyone who disagrees with them, racists and fascists).
    • (3) they are essentially (as you say) mentally deficieint. They lack a moral companss; they don’t seem to care that illegal immigration is “ILLEGAL”. They don’t seem to care that the U.S. cannot have open-borders. They don’t seem to care that the U.S. cannot allow massive and uncontrolled immigration. They don’t seem to care of all the burdens (www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/010165.html#433118) that massive illegal immigration places on U.S. citizens. They don’t seem to have any compassion for the hundreds of U.S. citizens killed every year by illegal immigrants, and the estimated $3279 Billion in net losses to U.S. tax payers, due to illegal immigration.
    • (4) they are so blinded by hate that they cannot see how utterly ridiculous that are, and will stop at nothing, no matter how despicable, to acquire power for THEIR Democrat party. They know what they are doing is wrong, but they don’t care, because they are so blinded by their hatred.
    • (5) or a combination of (1)-through-(4) above.
    Whatever the reason, they are all bad, and no amount of logic, reasoning, or evidence can change their mind. They don’t seem to comprehend how fundamentally wrong their believes and behavior is, and it is quite possible that it has caused them a lot of grief and trouble throughout their lifetime.

    What other explanations can there be for such *effed*, un-American, unfair, un-Constitutional, and despicable thought processes?

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 21, 2018 3:28 PM
    Comment #433146

    “According to phx8, me being a citizen, having served in our military, working and paying taxes most of my life, honoring our country, and obeying all our laws; but being a Conservative, makes me deplorable.”

    Does being a citizen make a conservative a deplorable?
    No.
    Serving in the military?
    No.
    Working? Paying taxes?
    No. And no.

    What makes a conservative deplorable is supporting Trump and his racism, bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia. THAT is what makes a conservative a deplorable.

    And remember. Trump is treason.

    The Mueller probe is still conducting additional interviews with Cohen and Manafort, which means we may not be as close to finishing as people would hope. On the one hand, the Mueller probe seems to be done with Flynn, and will supposedly sentence him in December, so that would indicate a portion of the investigation may be done by then. On the other hand, Manafort is now looking at sentencing in February, so his testimony in a trial may be needed as late as that point.

    Mueller was tasked with a criminal investigation into Russian interference with the 2016 campaign and Trump campaign cooperation with the Russians. So far Mueller has flipped the top people from the 2016 campaign, and obtained convictions, guilty pleas to felonies, and cooperation from the Campaign Manager, Deputy Campaign Manager, National Security Advisor, and a Foreign Policy Advisor.

    Trump’s chief Financial Officer is also cooperating with the SDNY, which is working with the Mueller probe.


    The first clue about Trump should have been the 2012 campaign’s Birtherism, a fundamentally racist conspiracy theory (along with Obama being a Muslim). That should have been a warning sign right then.

    Next clue should have been Trump bragging about his wealth, but refusing to release his tax returns.

    And then, overtly, publicly appealing to the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton might have been an indicator too…

    Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2018 3:38 PM
    Comment #433147

    phx8,

    • There a lots of conclusions in your post, but no facts.
    • It is true that Trump has said some things that are inexcusable, but, unfortunately, nothing proves treason, racism, fascism, tax evastion, mysogyny, or Russian collusion. Those charges require much more credible evidence that you, or anyone else has provided thus far.
    • All presidents and politicians have done things, and made inexcusable comments, including Obama, Hillary Clinton, George Bush, etc. One president (F) even forced all Japanese Ameridcans into interment camps.
    • Some of Trump’s foolish statements and name-calling also do not prove misogyny (misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls).
    • As for Trump’s taxes, IF there was anything illegal about it, the IRS would have done something about it a long time ago? Especially, since the IRS (and Lois Lerner) had a propensity for illegally targeting conservatives. There is also no law requiring the president to reveal his tax returns to the oublic, because the IRS already has them.
    • Challenging Obama’s true citizenship does not equate to racism. Trump (and Hillary Clinton too) simply didn’t believe Obama was born in the U.S.A. He was wrong, and admitted it.
    • And all the Russia collusion is nonsense too, because there is no evidence of Russian collusion (after 1 year and 5 months of investigations), and if there was, Mueller would have also done something about it already.
    • Also, and this pains Democrats and similar ilk to no end, but it is important to not only look at words, but look at actions too. Trump and his administration has many good accomplishments in only 22 months:
      • better immigration enforcement;
      • the push for eVerify (or similar verification process);
      • lower taxes;
      • less nonsensical, crushing bureaucratic red-tape; lower unemployment;
      • participation is up; more people are employed and working;
      • the push for fair trade;
      • allowed the military to do what they do best, and quickly decimate ISIS and terrorists;
      • lowering corporate taxes to 21% (near the global average of 20%), causing more investment in the U.S.A, etc.).
      • the stock market is up since JAN-2017;
      • GDP is over 4%

    Voters have a choice on 06-NOV-2018.
    We’ll see what happens.
    It is likely that Democrats and similar ilk are not going to be too happy.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 21, 2018 4:35 PM
    Comment #433148

    d.a.n.,
    “As for Trump’s taxes, IF there was anything illegal about it, the IRS would have done something about it a long time ago?”

    Not necessarily. Manafort & Gates laundered money for years. They were on law enforcement radar, but fell off it after 9/11. Resources went to fighting terrorism instead, which is too bad. I’d like to see white collar criminals prosecuted more often.

    The NYT did an exhaustive article on how Trump was not a self-made millionaire, but inherited $413 million from his father through various tax strategies. Anyone familiar with Trump’s history already knew this. Trump is a con, a confidence man, a phony.

    His wealth also came from money laundering for the Russians through cash purchases of real estate, and c*sinos.

    Ultimately, I think it will be the financial crimes that get Trump. There is a paper trail & an electronic trail, and although pursuing it takes a long time and a lot of work, once a case is made, it is very difficult to escape.

    “Collusion” is not a legal term. More likely, the Mueller team will pursue “conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws,” along with Obstruction of Justice. But remember, criminal charges have a higher bar, and Obstruction is hard to prove- Conspiracy less so. Money laundering is difficult and slow, but the train of evidence makes it inescapable. Just ask Manafort and Gates.

    “Challenging Obama’s true citizenship does not equate to racism. Trump (and Hillary Clinton too) simply didn’t believe Obama was born in the U.S.A.”

    Oh yes. Racism fueled the talk about Obama’s citizenship. Here is an op-ed from Colin Powell:

    https://observer.com/2016/09/colin-powell-is-right-birtherism-is-racism/

    And no. Hillary Clinton NEVER bought into Birtherism, not in any way, shape, or form.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2018 5:01 PM
    Comment #433149
    phx8 bot wrote: Not necessarily. Manafort & Gates laundered money for years. They were on law enforcement radar, but fell off it after 9/11. Resources went to fighting terrorism instead, which is too bad. I’d like to see white collar criminals prosecuted more often.
    Whoever breaks the law should be held accountable. However, there’s still no evidence of Trump breaking any tax laws.
    phx8 bot wrote: His wealth also came from money laundering for the Russians through cash purchases of real estate, and c*sinos.
    Whoever breaks the law should be held accountable. Where is the proof of money laundering?
    phx8 bot wrote: Ultimately, I think it will be the financial crimes that get Trump. There is a paper trail & an electronic trail, and although pursuing it takes a long time and a lot of work, once a case is made, it is very difficult to escape.
    Whoever breaks the law should be held accountable. But, it has now been 1 year and 5 months, and there is still no evidence.
    phx8 bot wrote:“Collusion” is not a legal term. More likely, the Mueller team will pursue “conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws,” along with Obstruction of Justice. But remember, criminal charges have a higher bar, and Obstruction is hard to prove- Conspiracy less so. Money laundering is difficult and slow, but the train of evidence makes it inescapable. Just ask Manafort and Gates.
    Whoever breaks the law should be held accountable. IF Mueller and his team (costing tens of million@) haven’t found it after 1 year and 5 months, they are either incompetent, or there is no evidence.
    phx8 bot wrote:Oh yes. Racism fueled the talk about Obama’s citizenship.
    Nonsense. Citizenship has nothing to do with racism. What Colin Powell thinks is irrelavant.
    phx8 bot wrote:And no. Hillary Clinton NEVER bought into Birtherism, not in any way, shape, or form.
    OK. Since Snopes.com rules FALSE, I’ll concede on that issue, unless evidence to the contrary is found. Posted by: d.a.n at October 21, 2018 6:36 PM
    Comment #433150

    “Whoever breaks the law should be held accountable. However, there’s still no evidence of Trump breaking any tax laws.”

    Whoops! Trump paid a $2,500 fine for violating tax laws.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/01/trump-pays-irs-a-penalty-for-his-foundation-violating-rules-with-gift-to-florida-attorney-general/?utm_term=.fd86db23cc5c

    The judge has urged him to settle his current Trump Foundation lawsuit. This is another paper trail crime, open and shut, and virtually inescapable. Most likely Trump will pay a $2.5 million fine, and he and his children will be barred from having positions with charitable foundations.

    Trump already paid $25 million in a settlement for the Trump University fraud.

    As for the Mueller investigation not charging Trump or others, it has been a very methodical search, a Gambino style roll-up. We will all know more soon.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2018 7:06 PM
    Comment #433151
    phx8 bot wrote: Trump paid a $2,500 fine for violating tax laws.
    Good. Trump paid the IRS a penalty of $2,500 for not reporting that his foundation violated rules with a gift to the Florida attorney general. That was also before the 2016 election, and the $25,000 donation was made in 2013. Trump’s organization blames the failure to report the donation on the 2013 tax filing as an unintended mistake, and paid the fine. Big deal. It doesn’t prove much, and Trump may have decided a paying a measly $2,500 fine was easiest. You, nor I can know the real truth of the matter.
    phx8 bot wrote: The judge has urged him to settle his current Trump Foundation lawsuit. This is another paper trail crime, open and shut, and virtually inescapable. Most likely Trump will pay a $2.5 million fine, and he and his children will be barred from having positions with charitable foundations. Trump already paid $25 million in a settlement for the Trump University fraud.
    Good. Trump paid the settlement. Again, big deal. It really doesn’t prove much, and Trump may have agreed to a settelment (shortly after the 2016 election), because it isn’t worthe the additional cost, time, and bad publicity. You, nor I can know the real truth of the matter.
    phx8 bot wrote: As for the Mueller investigation not charging Trump or others, it has been a very methodical search, a Gambino style roll-up. We will all know more soon.
    We’ll see. So far, after 1 year and 5+ months, Mueller appears to have nothing. IF Mueller finds anything, then Trump should be held accountable. However, despite some Democrats and similar ilk who believe otherwise, there is a “presumption of Innocence, until proven guilty”. Trump haters are so blinded by their hate, they are desparate to get something on Trump. IF Mueller had anthing, we would already know about it. How many years and how much cost will the Mueller investigation cost, which may make Trump’s fines and settlements seem miniscule?
  • Posted by: d.a.n at October 21, 2018 8:48 PM
    Comment #433152

    However, compare those violations by Trump to the laws violated by Hillary Clinton, who should have been indicted for numerous violations pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 641(The prohibited conversion of official records, whether classified or not), 793(gathering, transmitting or losing defense information), 794, 798(Disclosure of classified information), 952, 1505(Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees), 1924(Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material), 1519(Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations), 2071(Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally)). Hillary Clinton was in direct violation of the agreement between her and the United States of American outlined on the Standard Form 312, section 4. She sent classified information outside of a server with the classification needed to keep the information she was sending secure. Her actions have created a major security violation and could potentially be used by enemies of the state. The FBI decision let Hillary Clinton off the hook, be she should have been charged with all of the aforementioned charges, along with any others that are outlined in the SF 312. (edit) She has also due to recent reports intentionally used the unsecure server as a scapegoat for blaming The Nation of Russia for the hacking of her private server, when such server was not encrypted from potential hacking.

    Luckily for Hillary Clinton, the FBI lied and ignored serious violations by Hillary Clinton; violations that would have landed anyone else in jail for years.

    Hillary Clinton lied repeatededly about a “film” having something to do with the Benghazi attacks, and it was proven by an email that Hillary Clinton sent to her daughter only hours after the Benghazi attacks. When caught red-handed in her lie, Hillary said to Congress: “What difference does it make?”.

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    Posted by: sahmat hussian at October 22, 2018 5:38 AM
    Comment #433178

    d.a.n.,

    I’m changing the FBI tip line just in case you actually believe any of that conspiracy crap. The following is satire. You should NOT actually call the FBI:

    Oh my! You should call the FBI tip hotline right now! Immediately! All those crimes by Hillary Clinton! And wow, they sound really serious! Goodness me. How could this have escaped the notice of the FBI after a one year investigation? CALL RIGHT NOW!!!

    1-800-xxxxxxx

    And don’t forget Benghazi!!! Eight investigations over four years, and they missed this?!!!

    BENGHAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You might throw in Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation just for good measure. Oh, and don’t forget Travelgate, Whitewater, and Filegate. Gosh. Not one indictment, trial, conviction, plea bargain, literally nothing. You MUST do your civic duty and bring this to the attention of the FBI.

    There is a pizza parlor in D.C., Comet Pizza, that is running a child s*x trafficking ring in their basement, and Hillary Clinton is in on it.

    Don’t forget that one.

    And I heard Hillary Clinton was involved in the murder of Vince Foster. It wasn’t a suicide, you know. Our newest Justice, Kavanaugh, was deeply involved with that one, but he couldn’t quite bring home the bacon.

    So call now, and call often.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 22, 2018 11:58 AM
    Comment #433179

    The hotlines too busy with all the ‘Russia Russia Russia’, racist, sexist, xenophobe, islamaphobe, “conspiracy crap.”

    Posted by: kctim at October 22, 2018 1:05 PM
    Comment #433180

    Comey and the FBI lied, and gave Hillary a pass for her well-documented crimes.

    Hillary’s lies about Benghazi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjMGhS1zz4

    That’s the truth, and all but brain-washed Democrats know it.

    But, fortunately for the U.S., Hillary is not the POTUS.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 22, 2018 1:09 PM
    Comment #433181
    kctim wrote: The hotlines too busy with all the ‘Russia Russia Russia’, racist, sexist, xenophobe, islamaphobe, “conspiracy crap.”
    Haha! Funny!
  • Posted by: d.a.n at October 22, 2018 1:13 PM
    Comment #433182

    More ‘right-wing’ conspiracy crap: https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1054015778100600835?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Posted by: kctim at October 22, 2018 2:55 PM
    Comment #433183

    Paul Krugman proclaimed:“I think I can say without false modesty, a huge win; I, and those of like mind, have been right about everything.”

    https://mises.org/library/fact-checking-paul-krugmans-claim-be-right-about-everything

    How can an Op-Ed be wrong so often, and still have a job?

    What is amazing is that Paul Krugman’s predictions even defy the probabilities of being correct once in a while. That is because, like many Democrats and others on the left, it is driven by partisan bias and hate, and detachment from reality.

    LOL : )

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 22, 2018 3:27 PM
    Comment #433185

    d.a.n. did you know that phx8 is an ardent supporter of Paul Krugman? Funny how political blinders lead to huge errors in judgement. I believe the Nobel committee asked Krugman to return his prize as they did with Obama and his Peace prize.

    Just kidding about returning the prizes phx8. Don’t have a stroke.

    According to phx8, I am a deplorable because of my politics. How sad. Dreamers however, are lovely people and entitled to honor because Dems expect their illegal vote.

    Does the term “Bat-shit crazy” sound about right for some of our Lefty Pals?

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 22, 2018 5:16 PM
    Comment #433187

    “Sadly, it looks like Mexico’s Police and Military are unable to stop the Caravan heading to the Southern Border of the United States. Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed in. I have alerted Border Patrol and Military that this is a National Emergy. Must change laws!”
    Donald Trump, 10/22/18

    When it comes to “‘Russia Russia Russia’, racist, sexist, xenophobe, islamaphobe,” we do not have to look far for examples of hatred. Trump said that today. There are “unknown Middle Easterners” in the current Caravan. Trump refused to provide evidence. Reporters on site can not find any Middle Easterners.

    In other words, it is a lie. It is a classic example of xenophobia, and the implication with “Middle Easterners” is intended to stoke Islamophobia as well.

    The reference to “hardened criminals” is of the same ilk. It is intended to fire up the hatred of the deplorables without any evidence whatsoever. Trump is playing to the worst and darkest part of the American character. Sadly, a lot of Americans will embrace this hatred.

    Trump has threatened to cut off aid to some Central American countries. How this can possibly make the situation better for people fleeing poverty and violence is a mystery.

    But after Trump supporters sat quietly by during the Surrender at Helsinki, where Trump sided with Putin and against American intelligence, it seems pointless to ask conservatives to denounce Trump for the lies about “unknown Middle Easterners.” Nevertheless, here is the opportunity:

    Can any of you denounce this hateful lie?

    Posted by: phx8 at October 22, 2018 5:34 PM
    Comment #433188

    “Reporters on site can not find any Middle Easterners.”

    Which reporters phx8? Did they interview every single one of the 7,000? Please prove they are telling the truth. Link to the reporters and their interview videos.

    “The reference to “hardened criminals” is of the same ilk.”

    I challenge phx8 to prove there are none of these people. Link to the evidence.

    Insanity reigns among the Left. Phx8 asks how cutting off aid to countries allowing immigrants to form caravans to come here will help. Silly question phx8. The aid being given was designated to help keep these people from leaving. Does anyone believe it is working? Stupid Dems want to give more aid so more will leave.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 22, 2018 5:55 PM
    Comment #433189

    With 7000 people in a caravan you would have to be either stupid or a left wing lunatic or a Democrat to think there are no criminals in the bunch. In FACT all are criminals being they crossed into Mexico ILLEGALLY.

    Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2018 7:49 PM
    Comment #433190
    phx8 bot wrote: In other words, it is a lie. It is a classic example of xenophobia, and the implication with “Middle Easterners” is intended to stoke Islamophobia as well.
    Never mind that many hundreds of U.S. citizens are killed by illegal immigrants every year. Tell that to the thousands of victims and survivors of victims of crime by illegal aliens. Democrats say illegal aliens commit few crimes, yet 32% of everyone in federal prison is an illegal immigrant. Not to mention the $297 Billion per year in net losses due to illegal immigration.
    • source: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jan/23/donald-trump/does-immigration-policy-impose-300-billion-annuall/
    The phx8 bot and j2t2 bot are upset that Americans are catching on to the Democrats’ scheme to (despicably) change the electorate by changing the demographics by getting more representation in Congress via the Every-10-Year-CENSUS (which does NOT verify citizenship).

    Seriously, how scummy and pathetic is that.
    The phx8 bot, j2t2 bot, and many Democrats, and similar ilk are despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, so that the Democrats can acquire more power. Can’t get much lower than that, and the phx8 bot and the j2t2 bot support that.

    phx8 bot wrote:Can any of you denounce this hateful lie?
    The true, hateful lies are coming from the phx8 bot, j2t2 bot, and ohrealy, and THEIR party (i.e. many Democrats). The true racists are the people that despicably run around calling everyone else raciists, fascists, and Nazis.

    phx8, jt2t, and ohrealy have no proof.
    Only their demented, blind partisan hatred towards anything that threatens THEIR party.
    Not all illegal immigrants are bad; they are not the TRUE VILLAINS.
    The TRUE VILLAINS are the despicable people (mostly Democrats) who despicably pit U.S. citizens and illegal immgirants for votes.

    Fortunately, the Democrats’ evil scheme is finally being found-out for what it truly is: despicable.
    And, that is what truly pains the phx8 bot, j2t2 bot, and ohrealy.
    Because, it means THEIR party is losing power (despite all of the Democrats’ despicable tricks).

    It is very encouraging to finally see Trump and the current administration, and voters, who are finally getting wise to the majority of Democrats, who want:

    • open borders; more illegal immigration;
    • another shamnesty like the one in 1989 (which quadrupled the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S.);
    • more sanctuary cities and states (despite $297 Billion in net annaul losses due to illegal immigration);
    • to despicably pander to illegal immigrants for votes and more representation in Congress; despicably pitting U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants against each other for votes, and attempting to turn red states to blue states, via massive and uncontrolled illegal immigration;
    • to raise taxes;
    • a nanny-state with citizens increasingly dependent on the government;
    • more massive cradle-to-grave government programs (which are usually severely mismanaged) that nurture a sense of entitlement and dependency on government;
    • to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality;
    • reward failure and laziness; and perpetuate the myth that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else; Democrats want more government and control, which is already beyond nightmare proportions; socialism, in general;
    • to embrace “Guilty until proven innocent”; then end of rule-of-law;
    • to incite and encourage >forcible and violent suppression of opposition (www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/) (an element of fascism).
    It is seriously doubtful that many Democrats have true compassion for illegal immigrants, because IF it is, it is ridiculously misplaced, and effectively (and despicably) pits U.S. citizens against each other for votes for Democratc, and profits from cheap labor.
    Honestly, the only conclusion anyone with any common sense reason a sane person can conclude about these cheaters is that:
    • (1) they are politically brain-washed, and they want to help Democrats acquire power via massive illegal immigration (i.e. via a demographic shift via massive illegal immigration); they may know exactly what they are doing, and they may now believe they can acquire power if they can turn enough states from red to blue, via massive illegal immigration.
    • (2) they are truly the true racists and fascists (as they, ironically, and despicably, call everyone who disagrees with them, racists and fascists).
    • (3) they are essentially (as you say) mentally deficieint. They lack a moral companss; they don’t seem to care that illegal immigration is “ILLEGAL”. They don’t seem to care that the U.S. cannot have open-borders. They don’t seem to care that the U.S. cannot allow massive and uncontrolled immigration. They don’t seem to care of all the burdens (www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/010165.html#433118) that massive illegal immigration places on U.S. citizens. They don’t seem to have any compassion for the hundreds of U.S. citizens killed every year by illegal immigrants, and the estimated $3279 Billion in net losses to U.S. tax payers, due to illegal immigration.
    • (4) they are so blinded by hate that they cannot see how utterly ridiculous that are, and will stop at nothing, no matter how despicable, to acquire power for THEIR Democrat party. They know what they are doing is wrong, but they don’t care, because they are so blinded by their hatred.
    • (5) or a combination of (1)-through-(4) above.
    Whatever the reasons are as to why anyone would support those things (that many Democrats support), they are all bad, and no amount of logic, reasoning, or evidence can change their mind. They don’t seem to comprehend how fundamentally wrong their beliefs and behavior is, and it is quite possible that it has caused them a lot of grief and trouble throughout their lifetime.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 22, 2018 8:17 PM
    Comment #433191
    Did you know that phx8 is an ardent supporter of Paul Krugman? Funny how political blinders lead to huge errors in judgement.
    Yes, it is amazing !

    phx8, j2t2, and ohrealy remind a bit of Stephen Daugbherty (probably, their hero).
    No amount of logic, reasoning, or evidence can change their mind, and that is quite likely, because:

    • (1) they are politically brain-washed, and they want to help Democrats acquire power via massive illegal immigration (i.e. via a demographic shift via massive illegal immigration); they may know exactly what they are doing, and they may now believe they can acquire power if they can turn enough states from red to blue, via massive illegal immigration.
    • (2) they are truly the true racists and fascists (as they, ironically, and despicably, call everyone who disagrees with them, racists and fascists).
    • (3) they are essentially (as you say) mentally deficieint. They lack a moral compass; they don’t seem to care that illegal immigration is “ILLEGAL”. They don’t seem to care that the U.S. cannot have open-borders. They don’t seem to care that the U.S. cannot allow massive and uncontrolled immigration. They don’t seem to care of all the burdens (www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/010165.html#433118) that massive illegal immigration places on U.S. citizens. They don’t seem to have any compassion for the hundreds of U.S. citizens killed every year by illegal immigrants, and the estimated $3279 Billion in net losses to U.S. tax payers, due to illegal immigration.
    • (4) they are so blinded by hate that they cannot see how utterly ridiculous they are, and they will stop at nothing, no matter how despicable, to acquire power for THEIR Democrat party. They know what they are doing is wrong, but they don’t care, because they are so blinded by their hatred.
    • (5) or a combination of (1)-through-(4) above.

    Royal Flush wrote: According to phx8, I am a deplorable because of my politics. How sad. Dreamers however, are lovely people and entitled to honor because Dems expect their illegal vote. Does the term “Bat-shit crazy” sound about right for some of our Lefty Pals?
    Close. But sadly, it is more sinister that that.

    My suspicion is number (1) in the list above (mostly), and some of the others, partially.

    The news stated that the illegal immigrant mob is now over 14,000.
    Many seem to have the same affliction that Democrats have (“entitlement syndrome”).
    They think they have a right to do trespass our borders.
    And, unfortunately, thanks to the *effed laws and sanctuary cities and states, they can get away with it.

  • Posted by: d.a.n at October 22, 2018 9:24 PM
    Comment #433192

    One thing that is interesting about some of the illegal immigrants in the caravan/mob is that they are waving Mexican flags, and other flags of other countries, and painting Swastikas on the American flag, and then burning the American Flag.

    These are DREAMERs?

    IF the countries that they are coming from are so great (so, great that they wave their flags and burn the American flag), why are they coming to the U.S.A.?!?

    More likely, it is meant to insult and anger Americans.
    And after they get to the U.S., they will probably start buring he U.S. flag.
    For example:

    They supposedly come here for the American Dream, and once they are here, they burn the American flag?!?

    Democrats are now admitting that they are using illegal immigration to expand their base, and get more electoral votes (via more representation in Congress, via redrawing of district lines and apportionment of representatives in Congress).

    Democrats could be making a BIG mistake by using illegal immigration to acquire more power (while faking compassion).
    Democrats could be sowing a disdain for the the Democrat party at levels never seen before.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 22, 2018 9:42 PM
    Comment #433224

    “we do not have to look far for examples of hatred”

    But you do have to look pretty hard for examples of actual hatred, don’t you. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t be looking so silly with all the dissecting and spinning.
    For decades you guys and your media have been redefining words in order to push your politics. People who disagree with your new definitions, they are racists, sexists, homophobes etc… You label simple disagreement as hate and, non-support as bigotry. Patriotism equals fascism and love of American culture equals white supremacy.
    You’ve gotten away with it for so long that now you are starting to believe the nonsense to be the truth.

    “Can any of you denounce this hateful lie?”

    “In FY 18, CBP apprehended 17,256 criminals, 1,019 gang members, and 3,028 special interest aliens from countries such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, and Somalia. Additionally, CBP prevented 10 known or suspected terrorists from traveling to or entering the United States every day in fiscal year 2017.” - CNN

    So, you think it is wrong and evil to say people from the mid-east, an area rife with terrorists and terrorism, have been trying to come across our borders? That Trump is being hateful because he didn’t instead name all these places surrounding the mid-east by name?

    What do you think normal Americans care more about, Phx8: Your word games, or protecting American citizens?

    Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2018 8:26 AM
    Comment #433228

    “IF the countries that they are coming from are so great (so, great that they wave their flags and burn the American flag), why are they coming to the U.S.A.?!?”

    Many thanks to d.a.n. for the best analysis I have read lately. We see many illegals, already in our country, display the same behavior of hatred. They burn our flag, insult our citizens, break our laws, and burden our finances.

    Why would anyone want to invite a guest into their home knowing that their intention is to destroy the family that gives them succor?

    Actual asylum seekers don’t reject offers of asylum simply because they seek asylum in a different country. I have listened to many of the interviews with members of this mob. I have not heard a singe one mention asylum. They have all said they are seeking economic benefits in the United States. Translation: They want what we have worked to obtain.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2018 2:38 PM
    Comment #433229

    I just heard this march was funded by Venezuela. It came from the president of Honduras. It also said Honduras usually lies about Venezuela.

    This news story went one step forward and one step back.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2018 5:14 PM
    Comment #433231

    If any of our Liberal Pals have forgotten the position taken by Obama, the Clintons, Harry Reid, and other leading Dems, against those illegally crossing our border in the recent past; let us know.

    There are many, many videos available outlining the Democrat position on illegals that matches the Republican position of today.

    What happened to change the Democrat position?

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2018 6:48 PM
    Comment #433232

    By now, most of you are aware Trump lied. There are no “unknown Middle Easterners” in the caravan. He made that up. When asked today, he admitted there is “no proof.” ABC, CNN, and Telemundo are all onsite, and none of them found any “Middle Easterners.” According to the State Department, no terrorist has ever used to the Southern border to enter the US. Trump and Pence are blaming Democrats, leftist groups, and Venezuela (?), and all of it is made up.

    Trump also made up a 10% tax cut for the middle class, which he said would be done by November 1st. When pointed out that it is impossible, due to the fact that Congress won’t be back until after the election, Trump muttered something about a “resolution.” That is not how tax cuts are done by Congress. No one in the administration knew about this tax cut. It was made up.

    Why? Because the actual tax cut benefitted the 1% and corporations. The GOP can’t campaign on it because the tax cut is overwhelmingly unpopular. Now Trump is pretending he cares about the middle class.

    Trump lied about “rioting” in California over sanctuary cities. That simply didn’t happen.

    There have been several lies about the Saudi arms sale. On March 20, Trump said it would generate over 40,000 jobs. A few days ago he said it would generate 450,000 jobs, and then 500,000 jobs, and yesterday one million jobs.

    Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2018 6:49 PM
    Comment #433234

    “The GOP can’t campaign on it because the tax cut is overwhelmingly unpopular.”

    phx8 is so out of touch we wonder if he is lost somewhere with no way to get news. Come to think of it, “bat-shit” caves are like that.

    “By now, most of you are aware” that the Democrats fear losing senate seats and not capturing the House.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2018 6:58 PM
    Comment #433235

    Has anyone ever tried to tell a political joke to a Liberal? If so, what happened?

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2018 7:00 PM
    Comment #433236

    Democrats no longer have a sense of humor.

    • QUESTION: What do Democrats call illegal aliens?
    • ANSWER: Undocumented democrats.

    • QUESTION: Why shouldn’t Democrats worry about losing the midterm elections?
    • ANSWER: Depression is covered by Obamacare.
    Posted by: d.a.n at October 23, 2018 8:05 PM
    Comment #433237

    7000+ people in a march to the southern border and all because CNN, ABC, and Telemundo didn’t see any middle easterners in the mix Phx8 takes that as Gospel. Over 7000 people in the mix phx8 a person can and most likely will hide from Cameras and News people and that would not be a hard thing to do with over 7000 people phx8.

    Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 23, 2018 8:06 PM
    Comment #433238

    There were very likely suspected terrorists in the caravan.

    The Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales announced in October 2018 the arrest and deportation of 100 people “highly linked to terrorist groups, specifically ISIS.”

    However, the caravan that originated in Honduras did not reach the Guatemalan border until after the suspected terrorists had already been arrested and deported, and the suspected terrorists may not have participated in the caravan.

    That does not mean there may not be terrorists in the caravan, and the odds are high that some people in the caravan do have links to terrorism. There is a very high likelyhood that many have links to crime, and some may have already been deported once or more (a felony, after the first illegal trespass).

    The interesting thing about phx8 bot’s comments is that phx8 bot is more focused on trying to prove statements by Trump are lies, than the chaos and negative impact of 10K-to-14K illegal immigrants trying to trespass U.S. borders.

    That sort of laser focus by phx8 bot on minutia, and oblivion of much more important issues, is fueled by a deep, irrational partisan bias and hatred for anyone that disagrees, and anything NOT Democrat.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 23, 2018 8:54 PM
    Comment #433239

    KAP,
    Why would a “Middle Easterner” show up in Honduras for a grueling, possibly dangerous trip of over 2,000 miles to the US border? Unless that “Middle Easterner” speaks Spanish and knows Honduran culture, that person would stick out like a sore thumb.

    It is a silly lie. It doesn’t even make sense.

    Trump will not institute a 10% tax cut for the middle class by November 1st. That is a lie. It is impossible. And a ‘resolution’ means nothing whatsoever.

    And there is no rioting in CA over sanctuary cities. That is a lie.

    Will the Saudi arms deal generate 40,000 jobs? 450,000? 500,000? A million? Trump has said all of the above within the past seven months. He is just making up stuff on the fly.

    RF,
    Who in the GOP is running on the tax cuts? It is their only significant legislative accomplishment, yet only 17% of GOP ads even mention them.

    “An internal poll commissioned by the Republican National Committee and obtained by Bloomberg last month said that, by a two-to-one margin, Americans see the tax bill as benefiting large corporations and rich Americans over the middle class.”

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/17/17990064/republican-tax-cuts-bill-2018-midterm-elections

    Gee. Ya think?

    Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2018 9:03 PM
    Comment #433243

    Phx8, the question is phx8 why wouldn’t a middle easterner show up to join a march to our southern border to achieve a purpose of getting into the country ILLEGALLY? Most middle westerners are used to hot weather and some even harsh terrain. So hiding among 7000+ people would be great cover don’t ya think. As far as the 10% tax cut I’m sure Trump realizes that congress will not be in session until after the mid terms and mis spoke like many of those on your side do daily, Pelosi is one that comes to mind.

    Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 23, 2018 9:29 PM
    Comment #433246

    The sad reality is that Democraps have so thoroughly *effed up the immigration laws (and Republicans allowed it), that the 7K-to-14K illegal immigrants will most likely be released into the U.S. population, because:

    • illegal immigrants cannot be detained for more than 20 days;
    • there is insufficient housing to detain 7K-to-14K illegal immigrants;
    • there is a an insufficient number of judges and courts to process 7K-to-14K illegal immigrants in 20 days;
    • children and (supposed) parent cannot be separated;
    Therefore, until the laws are fixed, the 7K-to-14K illegal immigrants will most likely be released into the U.S. population, and the vast majority will never return for their court cases and hearings.
    The co$t could be in the billion$.

    IF enough voters who do NOT like that, but are too lazy to take the time to vote, then they have what they deserve.

    phx8 bot wrote: Why would a “Middle Easterner” show up in Honduras for a grueling, possibly dangerous trip of over 2,000 miles to the US border? Unless that “Middle Easterner” speaks Spanish and knows Honduran culture, that person would stick out like a sore thumb. It is a silly lie. It doesn’t even make sense.
    Not true.

    The Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales announced in October 2018 the arrest and deportation of 100 people “highly linked to terrorist groups, specifically ISIS.”, and the terrorists were arrested and deported from Honduras, BEFORE reaching the border of Guatemala.

    phx8 bot wrote: And there is no rioting in CA over sanctuary cities. That is a lie.
    Not totally true.

    There have been protests by California cities about the California A.G. Xavier Beccera’s sanctuary laws.

    However, IF Xaveir Beccera actually arrests any sheriff or police, the U.S. DOJ may arrest California A.G. Xavier Beccera.
    So far, California A.G. Xavier Beccera has not risked arresting anyone yet (lest, he be arrested too).

    phx8 bot wrote: Trump will not institute a 10% tax cut for the middle class by November 1st. That is a lie. It is impossible. And a ‘resolution’ means nothing whatsoever.
    According to this article, Trump is planning a tax cut after the mid-term elections. How soon after the election is the question.
    • source: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-22/trump-says-congress-to-vote-on-10-percent-tax-cut-after-election

    As for the last tax cut, the reduction of the corporate tax from 35% to 21% is common-sense (something the phx8 bot would not know much about), because high corporate taxes above the global average of 20% is stupid, and drives corporations and jobs out of the country.

    The following tax rate changes will likely be offset by increased GDP growth and corporations, money, and jobs returning to the U.S.:

    • 2017 ____ 2018-to-2025___single____________married
    • 10% _____ 10%________ $0-$9,525 _________$0-$19,050
    • 15% _____ 12%________ $9,525-$38,700_____$19,050-$77,400
    • 25% _____ 22%________ $38,700-$82,500____$77,400-$165,000
    • 28% _____ 24%________ $82,500-$157,500___$165,000-$315,000
    • 33% _____ 32%________ $157,500-$200,000__$315,000-$400,000
    • 33%-35% _ 35%________ $200,000-$500,000__$400,000-$600,000
    • 39.6% ____ 37%________ $500,000+ _________$600,000+
    The percentages for the upper-income brackets were reduced 1%-to-2.4%, but 2%-to-4% for the lower brackets.
    How is that an income tax cut ONLY for the rich?).

    IF Democrats want to complain about unfair taxes, why don’t Democrats mention the 15%(max) capital gains tax, which is far below the 0%-to-39.6% taxes on wages (which is how Mitt Romney paid 15% on $21 Million, while a person making $40K per year is paying 32.7% (a higher percentage) in federal income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes; and that 32.7% does not even include the employer matching for Social Security and Medicare taxes)?!?

    Due to several factors ((a)maxiumum capital gains tax of 15%, (b)Social Security and Medicare taxes ONLY on wages (not on capital gains), (c)and the cap on Social Security taxes), the U.S. tax-vs-income curve ACTUALLY looks like this (i.e. regressive):

    • CURRENT TAX-RATE CURVE (hammers the middle-class):
    • 40% |————————————————o———————————————————
    • 35% |————————o———————————————————-o——————-
    • 30% |———-o——————————————————————————o————-
    • 25% |——o—————————————————————————————o———
    • 20% |—o———————————————————————————————-o—-
    • 15% |-o—————————————————————————————————o-
    • 10% |o——————————————————————————————————-
    • 00% |o_80K_160K_240K_320K_400K_480K_……1.0M_$INCOME

    Therefore, a cut in federal income taxes (i.e. 10% would bring taxes close to a maximum rate of 27%, which is good, but still higher than the 15% maximum rate on capital gains. To be fair, all forms of income should be treated equally (e.g. 18%-to-22%, or less, if possible).

    A more fair tax system would be a FLAT income tax (with all types of other taxes, such as Social Security and Medicare taxes currently levied on wages).
    For example, how about a 20%-to-22% FLAT income tax on ALL types of income. Higher if necessary for a while, due to $21.5 Trillion national debt, but then lowered as much as possible after the debt is reduced significantly.
    The federal government would probably get more revenue, since the curve is not regressive (as it currently is as shown in the chart above).
    A FLAT income tax curve would look like this:

    • FLAT INCOME TAX-RATE CURVE (more fair; taxes only above the poverty level):
    • 40% |————————————————————————————————————
    • 35% |————————————————————————————————————
    • 30% |————————————————————————————————————
    • 25% |————————————————————————————————————
    • 20% |——-o—-o—-o——o——o——o——o——o——o——o——o——o——o——o
    • 15% |—o——————————————————————————————————-
    • 10% |-o———————————————————————————————————
    • 00% |o_80K_160K_240K_320K_400K_480K_……1.0M_$INCOME
    So, phx8 bot, as usual, your comments are mostly nonsense.

    But what is more obvious is that your comments are so politically biased, and so desparate and reaching that they are elevating minutia, while ignoring the most important issues.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 23, 2018 10:14 PM
    Comment #433247

    More protests in California about sanctuary cities:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw2ekveCOfg

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 23, 2018 10:18 PM
    Comment #433248

    And … more protests in California about sanctuary cities:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvs1GO9J6Dg

    It’s good to see there are some residents of California that don’t agree with sanctuary cities and state laws. My advice to those few people is to move out of California to a non-sanctuary city and state. California is and has been in decline for many years.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 23, 2018 10:24 PM
    Comment #433273

    “I’m putting a spell on you” Bahahahahahaha !

    Posted by: dbs at October 24, 2018 4:44 AM
    Comment #433284

    - Trump also made up a 10% tax cut for the middle class, which he said would be done by November 1st.

    What was actually said: “We are looking at putting in a very major tax cut for middle-income people,” Trump said. “And if we do that, it’ll be sometime just prior, I would say, to November.”

    You ‘put in’ (submit) your plan, it is discussed and THEN it is voted on.
    It’s pretty obvious that President Trump is dangling a pay raise in front of the people in order to get them to the polls in Nov. They know they will never get that raise with democrats and leftists in charge of the House and/or the Senate.

    Luckily, for the executive order Obama people, the Treasury Secretary explained how the process works.

    “Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin clarified in an interview with The New York Times on Sunday that the administration and GOP leaders were working on a plan for another middle-class tax cut that would be released, but not passed, by the midterms.”

    Instead of spinning and grasping, shouldn’t you guys be telling voters why tax increases are good, why lax border security is good, why infringing on the 2nd Amendment is good, and why illegal aliens are more important than the homeless American citizen down on the corner?

    Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2018 9:19 AM
    Comment #433290

    “Americans see the tax bill as benefiting large corporations and rich Americans over the middle class.”

    The tax bill benefited me and I am not a corporation or rich. However, I do pay taxes. Those that don’t pay taxes phx8, received no tangible benefit from the bill.

    Corporate tax cuts have led to the lowest unemployment rate in decades. Does anyone believe all these additional jobs would not be affected by Democrats raising corporate tax rates if they achieve power?

    I remember the campaign promise of the Democrats when Fritz Mondale was their presidential candidate. He promised to raise taxes and won only one state. Phx8 now appears to believe that raising tax rates, and restoring both the dreaded alternative minimum tax and the death tax, is a vote getting idea.

    Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2018 4:13 PM
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