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Is this an argument?

https://youtu.be/4JWw8cTEN14

I was seriously disturbed by this video. I'm waiting to see songs written about this hat. Someone with a talent for expression could certainly write a song about the Red Hat. Long may it wave!

How would this altercation be classified by those here on WatchBlog? Was this an argument? Was it a discussion? Was it a protest? Was it an altercation, an assault, an attempted murder, a riot?

The murderous crowd followed this one, lone man, or more precisely, his hat, through his home town of Burlingame, CA.! They were surrounding him, taunting him, assaulting him. When he finally gained a respite from the violence he was surrounded by media. They were asking him why he wore the hat. They wondered aloud why he didn't take it off. They accused him of instigating the episode. The entire cadre of media were following this guy, so of course, the rioters followed also, and the melee ensued again!

I was so taken with watching this guy get surrounded, cornered, kicked and punched, his glorious banner snatched from his head, and then proudly returned to wave again, but only to have the onslaught continue.

The video ends with the lone man in a Red Hat, trapped behind a line of police officers, having to be dragged over the top of a hedgerow to reach safety.

Some here on WatchBlog will try to justify the riotous behavior this video demonstrates. They will say the man was a foot taller than everyone else and putting on the hat was like waving a red flag at a bull. That doesn't fly. Bulls are animals. Unless you want to concede these people are animals, that argument doesn't hold water.

One thing is for sure. The exorbitant amount of time the media spent following this guy and interviewing him during this attempted lynching was wasted. This coverage their work received, it's only audience is on YouTube and was viewed by only 9000 people. If I were one of those reporters I would be pissed my work was ignored.

Posted by Weary_Willie at October 13, 2018 11:15 AM
Comments
Comment #432857

https://youtu.be/jYlE7Nh5egI

https://youtu.be/jYlE7Nh5egI


I challenge j2t2 to show us the videos of the equivalent behavior by Trump supporters. Back up what you’re saying, j2t2. Prove it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2018 12:49 PM
Comment #432858

You are seriously disturbed by that video! I saw a grown man, probably a paid right wing instigator punch a young anti fascist as a means to whip up violence in front of the media. Peaceful protestors at a GOP rally being victimized by a professional provocateur, whipping them into frenzy, working the crowd into a mob as he incites and instigates, yet no violence until he throw a punch at the young kid.

I saw a grown man attempt to ferment violence by taunting a bunch of young kids Weary. Despite all of this provocation I didn’t see any blood or guns or knives or bats, or bottles or sticks. The provocateur has zero wounds, no injuries, nothing…. I have seen more violence at a football game.

Want to see who really incites violence and has for years?


Trump supporters

More Trump supporters and an explanation why Weary wants videos !

Posted by: j2t2 at October 13, 2018 2:02 PM
Comment #432860

Some portions of those videos are a bit abmiguous.

The 1st youtu.be/4JWw8cTEN14 video shows a man who has the right to wear his MAGA hat, but he is asking for trouble, and trying to stir up trouble. Some of the other people were more wrong to encircle him, and trap him.

In this 2nd youtu.be/jYlE7Nh5egI video, there is a guy that might be lying about actually being a Bernie Sanders supporter, but someone thought he was a Trump supporter. He may indeed be lying in some way, and trying to make the anti-Trumpers look bad.

However, there are numerous other videos that leave little, or no doubt, and clearly show Trump supporters being attacked, or harassed, or beaten, and the attackers are not trying to hide it, or some are saying things that leave no doubt about it (such as kicking a man on the ground and screaming “You voted for Trump !?!”).
For example:

  • The Chicago Daily Caller, attacks on Trump supporters is “Not an isolated incident
    - dailycaller.com/2017/01/05/chicago-torture-not-isolated-incident-trump-supporters-have-been-violently-attacked-all-over-the-country/

And then, there are people (including Obama, Obama’s former A.G. Eric Holder, CA. Rep. Maxine Waters, Senator Corey Booker, and Hillary Clinton) that are encouraging mob-like behavior.
For example:

  • Hillary Clinton said: “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, for what you care about,” … “That’s why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again,”
  • former AG Eric Holder: “When they go low, we kick them.”
  • CA. Rep. Maxine Waters said: “If you see anybody from the [Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!”
  • Cory Booker said: “Get in their face.”
  • and Barack Obama said: “Argue with neighbors, get in their face.”

And then, there is j2t2, who wrote (which sounds similar to what Hillary Clinton said):

  • Why would the same people who insulted and lied about Obama for 8 years think they deserve respect now that Trump is president?

And, it is unlikely ABC News would produce a 1 hour show to teach people about Trump haters, IF it were not a growing problem. See the video: by John Quinones (ABC News Correspondent) about the growing problem:


No wonder so many people are afraid to say they voted for, and/or support Trump.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 13, 2018 2:09 PM
Comment #432862

More examples:

  • Ted Cruz is cornered, harassed, and run out of restaurant:
    www.westernjournal.com/ct/alert-ted-cruz-wife-attacked-escape-staff-struggle-door/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=ct-breaking&utm_content=western-journal
  • Chicago Torture Incident is not Isolated - Trump Supporters have been violently attacked ALL OVER THE COUNTRY:
    https://dailycaller.com/2017/01/05/chicago-torture-not-isolated-incident-trump-supporters-have-been-violently-attacked-all-over-the-country/
  • Woman attacked for supporting Trump:
    www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Woman-Says-She-Was-Attacked-in-DC-for-Saying-She-Supports-Trump-Police-478576743.html
  • Trump supporter attacked at NYC College:
    observer.com/2016/11/exclusive-trump-supporter-attacked-at-nyc-college-maga-hat-almost-set-alight/
  • A veteran is attacked for wearing a Trump MAGA hat; he says he is upset by those that don’t respect others’ opinions:
    www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/veteran-attacked-over-trump-hat/286365895
  • Restaraunt employees fired for attacking a man wearing a MAGA hat:
    //www.kyma.com/news/restaurant-employees-fired-after-attacking-man-wearing-maga-hat/745878181
  • Teen attacked for wearing “MAGA” hat:
    www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44732099
  • Man attacked for wearing “MAGA” hat:
    www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2018/05/15/black-trump-supporter-attacked-at-cheesecake-factory-over-maga-hat-report.html
  • Highschool girl attacked for supporting Trump:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-1j8upKo6Y
  • Man assualted for flying a Trump flag in his yard:
    www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Boynton-Beach-Man-Claims-He-Was-Assaulted-Over-Trump-Flag-in-Yard-487493731.html
  • Teen beaten for liking Trump:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=x06_9sICCfM
  • Wearing a Trump hat in Hollywood is dangerous; woman is attacked several times by anti-Trump thugs:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyHB0COkw3s
  • Man getting beaten and bloodied for wearing a Trump hat:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW_8V5gB6qw
  • Berkley Student beaten for wearing a Trump hat:
    www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/02/02/student-wearing-trump-hat-beaten-berkeley-after-protest/htFyg9NRPl0Q5BQI7zhNyH/story.html
  • 15 people beaten for wearing Trump MAGA hats, and showing support for Trump:
    wtop.com/montgomery-county/2016/11/trump-supporter-15-beaten-during-rockville-protest/slide/1/
  • A man threatens to kill Trump supporters and Congressman:
    www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/threats-zeldin-campaign-nesconset-1.19664904
  • A anti-Trump, anti-Republican thug shot Congressman Scalise, Zack Barth, Matt Mika, and two police: David Bailey and Crystal Griner:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting
  • A student, Emily Markowski (age 18) says she was attacked for wearing a Trump MAGA hat:
    www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/6969753-u-of-guelph-student-says-she-was-assaulted-for-wearing-trump-hat/
  • A student, Gavin Cortina is beaten on bus for wearing a Trump MAGA hat:
    thebeatdfw.com/2956856/student-attacked-for-wearing-make-america-great-again-hat-and-gets-suspended/
  • Student, Ashton Hess(age 17) in Seattle is attacked (struck in the head) for wearing Trump MAGA hat:
    mynorthwest.com/1056866/teen-attacked-seattle-maga-hat/?
  • Attacks are so bad on Trump supports, that many schools banned all Trump branded hats and clothing:
    www.gq.com/story/trump-gear-in-school
  • Congressperson Maxine Waters is inciting people to “harass” and hound (or worse) members of the Trump administration:
    www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/25/maxine_waters_god_is_on_our_side.html
  • Kirstjen Nielsen, is confronted by protesters who chant ‘shame’ as she dines at a Mexican restaurant:
    www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/jun/20/protesters-confront-us-homeland-security-secretary-kirstjen-nielsen-mexican-restaurant-video
  • Mitch McConnell is harassed at restaurant, and showed up at his house while his wife, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao were there:
    www.newsweek.com/how-long-harassment-trump-officials-gets-out-control-opinion-1018085
  • Candace Owens harassed and hounded out of restaurant:
    www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-candace-owens-charlie-kirk-protestors-restaurant-a8480746.html
  • Stephen Miller, a White House adviser, was also harassed last week when he tried to dine at an upscale Mexican eatery in Washington.
  • Florida Attorney General, Pam Bondi was confronted by a group of protesters outside the screening of a documentary about Mister Rogers in Tampa. A video of the confrontation shows the Florida AG leaving the theater as several people yell at her, with one woman seen shouting at her about Bondi’s recent actions on health care policy and her stance on immigration.
  • Sarah Sanders’ was asked to leave the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington, Va. – protesters gathered outside Nielsen’s Virginia townhouse, chanting “no justice, no sleep”.
  • “Last Week Tonight” host John Oliver requesting that his audience send obscene images to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and posting Sessions’ email account on air.
  • “… based on specific and credible threats that have been levied against certain DHS employees and a sharp increase in the overall number of general threats against DHS employees — although the veracity of each threat varies,” the memo from acting deputy secretary of homeland security Claire M. Grady stated, according to CBS News. “In addition, over the last few days, thousands of employees have had their personally identifiable information publically [sic] released on social media.”:
    www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/25/trump-officials-hounded-and-harassed-as-protester-tactics-take-turn.html
  • Actor Peter Fonda posted on his Twitter to: : “… rip Barron Trump from his mother’s arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles.”
  • Obama said “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”.
    www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/06/obama-brings-a-gun-to-a-knife-fight-009692
  • And Steve Scalise knows firsthand the dangerous consequences that can result from making political differences personal and vitriolic:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Scalise
  • More … many people being attacked by anti-Trump thugs, more burning, rioting, and violence by many on the left:
    www.westernjournal.com/trumpatwar/fullmovie/?ffv_puid=2801390

No wonder so many people are afraid to say they voted for, and/or support Trump.

That is what facism looks like, the
forcible and violent suppression of opposition.
Especially, when some in government are also encouraging mob-like behavior, with words like:

  • “When they go low, we kick them.”
  • “push back on them”
  • “you cannot be civil…”
  • “get in their face”
  • “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”

To be fair, Trump has made some statements too that can incite violence (i.e. “Maybe he should have been roughed up”, “IF you do (hurt him), I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it.”

However, the majority of violence and mob-like behavior, since 2016, appears to be coming from the left.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 13, 2018 2:25 PM
Comment #432864

I think those comments from Trump illustrate a response to a threat, not an attempt to incite violence out of thin air.

It’s like someone getting snippy at people who have accused you of being a rapist and a drunk.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2018 4:10 PM
Comment #432865
It’s like someone getting snippy at people who have accused you of being a rapist and a drunk.
Not true; not in all instances.

I heard some of these things that Trump said, with my own ears, so I am not going to make excuses for some of the things Trump has said. However, actions speak louder than words, and Trump, and his administration (so far) has accomplished a LOT of good things since JAN-2017. I cringe at some of these things, and Trump’s mouth is his worst enemy. He could be GREAT, IF he would dispense with the unsavory and unprofessional rhetoric. I will say, I think Trump’s rhetoric has improved a little, but there’s room for improvement, because, recently, insinuating or declaring that Blasey Ford was out-right lying was not cool, because nobody knows what happened to Ford, and while Ford’s story may not be factual, it does not mean that something may have happened to Ford, and she may actually believe what she is saying, despite it actually being false. Or, might have happened just as she described. However, without evidence or corroboration of any kind, there is a presumption of evidence for Kavanaugh.

IF I were to ignore these inconvenient facts, and things Trump said, it damages one’s own credibility, damages one’s own cause, and such lies or rationalizations only serve to fuel more left-wing hate, and too many on the left are already resorting to mob-like behavior, and forcible and violent suppression of opposition (characteristics of facism).

However, the most important point is, that the majority of mob-like behavior, and forcible and violent suppression of opposition, is coming from the left. That is my opinion, based on research of many months, and I stand by it, until someone can prove otherwise.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 13, 2018 5:20 PM
Comment #432867

When I was growing up my Dad always told me to walk away. When I came home from school scuffed and with torn clothing I was punished. He didn’t understand that if you always walk away they will eventually start to follow you. Then the resulting violence is unavoidable. My Dad never understood that.

It’s refreshing to see a president willing to take the gloves off. I’m glad he’s in my corner. If Trump’s words are compared to the words of those on the left in those videos, well, Trump looks like a genius.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2018 6:20 PM
Comment #432868

Most of what Trump is being criticized for is statements he’s made at his rallies. In the words of the Ronald Reagan, “I PAID FOR THIS MIC!”. Donald Trump doesn’t tolerate obnoxious guests.

No one should.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2018 6:51 PM
Comment #432871
Some portions of those videos are a bit abmiguous.

The results I get from my search engine lists left wing violence in a number of different U.S. Cities.

Do you want me to also believe the number of different cities experiencing this behavior is ambiguous?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2018 2:12 AM
Comment #432872

No. There is ample evidence of mob-like and violent behavior from the left. I am saying there are better examples than the two videos that you posted. Therefore, I added videos and articles, many from News stations, that are better examples.

The 2nd video that you posted does not show the attack.
The 1St video shows a guy who was being roughed up a bit, and that is more wrong than his clear attempt to irritate the Trump haters.

Posted by: d.a n at October 14, 2018 2:33 AM
Comment #432879
Weary Willie wrote:When I was growing up my Dad always told me to walk away. When I came home from school scuffed and with torn clothing I was punished. He didn’t understand that if you always walk away they will eventually start to follow you. Then the resulting violence is unavoidable.
That’s true, and self defense is completely justifiable.

But all elected officials should ratchet down the rhetoric that encourages and condones violence against the opposition, because facism is defined as forcible and violent suppression of the opposition.

At this time, most of the violence is being encouraged by Democrats in government.
For example:

  • Hillary Clinton said: “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, for what you care about,” … “That’s why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again,”
    - source: thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/410566-clinton-you-cant-be-civil-with-a-party-that-wants-to-destroy
  • former AG Eric Holder said: “When they go low, we kick them.”
    - source: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/11/eric_holder_when_they_go_low_we_kick_them.html
  • CA. Representative Maxine Waters said: “If you see anybody from the [Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!”
    - source: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/25/maxine_waters_god_is_on_our_side.html
  • NJ. Senator Cory Booker said: “Get in their face.”
    - source: insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/28/cory-booker-pleads-supporters-get-face-congresspeople
  • and Barack Obama said: “Argue with neighbors, get in their face.”)
    - source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4

More … http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/010162.html#432862

Posted by: d.a.n at October 14, 2018 11:37 AM
Comment #432880
While both sides are guilty of violence, the media has not been truthful in their reporting of Antifa’s activities, describing them as “peaceful counter-protesters.” Peaceful people do not crack skulls.

http://newsfakes.com/2018-08-09-national-media-refuses-to-report-on-left-wing-antifa-mob-violence.html

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2018 1:52 PM
Comment #432881

LOL. Antifa peaceful?!?

Posted by: d.a.n at October 14, 2018 2:45 PM
Comment #432882

I noticed (in the video) that the police were (sometimes) not doing anything.

Perhaps the police believe that they should simply let both sides (extreme-right-wing-facists and extreme-left-wing-facists) beat-up and kill each?

Makes you wonder why a sane person would want to go to one of these protests?
IF you do, you had better wear a helmet, armor, perhaps a bullet proof vest, and take along a First-Aid kit.

Posted by: d.a.n at October 14, 2018 3:01 PM
Comment #432884

https://youtu.be/SWHLEgzPWvE

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2018 8:36 PM
Comment #432898

I Appreciate Your Efforts In Preparing This Post. I Really Like Your Blog Articles.

Posted by: Thesis Help USA at October 15, 2018 2:30 AM
Comment #432908

Hey Weary I tried to post a response Saturday but it was held up by the editor, can you do anything?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 15, 2018 5:34 PM
Comment #432911

It’s published now, j2t2. The comment had too many links. The limit is 2 per comment.

You should be able to excuse language used in your first video, j2t2. I didn’t see any one of those people in that compilation acting violently. I’d think that if you can excuse people who uses language like cock holster, raping 11 year old boys, bombing the white house, the rhetoric used on late night comedy shows and protests, then you can certainly be able to excuse the language coming out of the mouths of those in the video.

Your second link showed a bunch of people filming and breaking up an obvious assault. I didn’t see any burning cars or smashed windows. No bats or pepper spray. There were a lot of cameras, but no mobs.

I noticed the Washington Post video was entirely one sided. It mentioned nothing about left wing violence. Everyone admits there are violent people on both sides, except for the Washington Post. They ignored left wing violence entirely.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 15, 2018 8:13 PM
Comment #432960

I’m Really Impressed With Your Article, Such Great & Usefull Knowledge You Mentioned Here

Posted by: PM Homework Help at October 17, 2018 6:51 AM
Comment #432964

“Your second link showed a bunch of people filming and breaking up an obvious assault.”

Nope. It has been edited to give that false impression.

What actually happened is that a group of people were having a meeting and violent fascist antifa punks showed up to intimidate and attack people they disagree with, as they always do.
9 times out of 10, normal American’s just shake their heads and let them get away with their little leftist tantrums, but now some are getting tired of it and fighting back.
If anything, these guys should be commended for being willing to take on these leftist thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1A_AxUKosk

Posted by: kctim at October 17, 2018 8:13 AM
Comment #432967

https://youtu.be/hRA3cc5Irt8?t=115

This is an interesting statement by Michael Moore. He completely contradicts himself by saying Republicans beat the Democratics. He says that even when Democratics got more votes, they won using voter suppression!

How does that fit into a logical thought process? I don’t know.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 17, 2018 10:06 AM
Comment #432968

“Michael Moore” != “Logical Thought Process”

That does not compute.
Those two things do not equate.

Michael Moore also does not seem to understand the Electoral College. Democrats already have an Electoral College advantage, because the CENSUS does not verify citizenship, and population is used to draw district boundaries, which could give Democrats more representation in the House of Representatives.

Seats in the House, and consequently, Electoral College votes as well, were given out based on the total number of people residing in a state. So, currently, California has 5 or 6 times more members in the House than it would IF seats were based on U.S. citizens only.

No wonder Democrats are furious about a citizenship status checkbox that might be added to 2020 CENSUS (although, a checkbox still, will not verify citizenship). The fact that Democrats are afraid of this simple checkbox corroborates the Democrats’ hidden (and despicable) intentions, which are to use illegal immigration to gain votes and more representation in the House of Representatives.

  • Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/census-questions-illegal-immigrants-give-cities-political-power/
  • Posted by: d.a.n at October 17, 2018 10:50 AM
    Comment #432969

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/10/12/cnns-chris-cuomo-trump-probably-having-racist-thoughts-kanye-meeting/

    Do you want to see another episode of the left’s Trump Derangement Syndrome?

    Here is Chris Cuomo being WRONG on so many levels. Now he believes he is a mind reader. He even attributes what Kanye is saying to what he thinks Trump is thinking!

    With so many people on the right being stripped off their platform on social media, and actors being banned and fired for what they say, where is the outrage from the right when they see stupid stuff like this passed off as news?

    I forgot, nobody watches CNN.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 17, 2018 11:01 AM
    Comment #432970

    Cuomo’s entire rant is an example of a racist mentality. Along with his Governor father, and New York City’s Sasquatch Mayor thinking all conservatives should move out of New York, Chris Cuomo simply reinforces the fact that Liberals are the racists in this equation, not Trump supporters.


    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 17, 2018 11:17 AM
    Comment #432971

    So I should excuse Conservative propagandist for their calls to violence whilst conservatives parade around rather benign comments from dems as being a call to violence!

    Hahahaha get over yourselves guys. You guys have been helping conservative propagandist spread lies about the dems and liberals, exaggerating and projecting for a couple of weeks now and the rest of us are supposed to sit by in silence and let you spread your lies! I don’t think so.

    Weary the second link was a mob, just because they dressed up to attend the republican club and provide a re-enactment of a killing doesn’t mean they aren’t a mob. You guys try to tell us these guys are very few and just extremist but they are a nationwide group and were invited by local repubs to the repubs clubhouse.


    So despite your false claims of more leftist violence what we see in ongoing right wing violence. Despite your false claims of dems inciting violence with benign statements like “Argue with neighbors, get in their face.” we see conservatives propagandist telling their followers inciting violence. Not to mention the outlandish claims of D. such as “At this time, most of the violence is being encouraged by Democrats in government”! You guys need to get a grip, stop drinking the kool aid, take off the rose colored glasses and come up with something better to force the laws you want to enact.

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 17, 2018 1:50 PM
    Comment #432974

    Here is Gavin Mcinnis giving his side of the story about that video.

    https://youtu.be/lJdgP6mTpH4

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 17, 2018 4:12 PM
    Comment #432975

    What bothers j2t2 the most is the truth.
    Inciting violence, whether it is coming from Trump, the left, or the right, is dangerous.

    As said many times already, there is plenty of evidence of violence from both the left and the right.

    However, since 2016, the majority of people are Democrats, who are (or were) in Congress, or the White House, that are carelessly inciting or insinuating the use of violence.

    For example:

    • Hillary Clinton said: “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, for what you care about,” … “That’s why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that’s when civility can start again,”
      - source: thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/410566-clinton-you-cant-be-civil-with-a-party-that-wants-to-destroy
    • former AG Eric Holder said: “When they go low, we kick them.”
      - source: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/11/eric_holder_when_they_go_low_we_kick_them.html
    • CA. Representative Maxine Waters said: “If you see anybody from the [Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station — you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!”
      - source: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/25/maxine_waters_god_is_on_our_side.html
    • NJ. Senator Cory Booker said: “Get in their face.”
      - source: insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/28/cory-booker-pleads-supporters-get-face-congresspeople
    • Barack Obama said: “Argue with neighbors, get in their face …”,)
      - source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM6UjwwP90
    • Barack Obama said (this was before NOV-2016): “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.”
      - source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYM6UjwwP90
    • Trump said (this was before NOV-2016): “IF she [Hillary Clinton] gets to pick her judges, there’s nothing you can do folks. Although, the 2nd amendment people? Maybe there is, I don’t know.” (an insination of violence against Hillary Clinton; although, some people may not know what that means, since most Americans don’t know what the 2nd Amendment is about).
      - source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ygeVnRxFA
    • more attacks on Trump supporters …

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 17, 2018 4:16 PM
    Comment #432976

    What lies are we telling in the last few weeks, j2t2? And don’t tell us we should already know what the lies are instead of answering. What lies are being told?

    There’s quite a bit of context missing from the video. kctim’s video puts it more in perspective. Gavin Mcinnis’s narration of the night’s events were clearly pointed out in my last link.

    There is something you and the left are not taking into consideration, j2t2. The antifa people weren’t invited to the gathering. They were invaders and vandals. They were instigators and violent. People live in this building and it is their home. This is something you are not going to hear about, apparently, on the MSM. Link to the story on CNN or the broadcast networks if I’m wrong.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 17, 2018 4:34 PM
    Comment #432977
    What bothers j2t2 the most is the truth.

    No D. what bothers me the most is the conservatives here on WB, yourself included, refuses to tell the truth. Refuses to be objective. You compare mountain to molehills and try to tell us the are identical! It would be laughable were you not so determined to have this latest conservative disinformation to be true.

    As said many times already, there is plenty of evidence of violence from both the left and the right. However, since 2016, the majority of people are Democrats, who are (or were) in Congress, or the White House, that are carelessly inciting or insinuating the use of violence.

    Yet you provide no proof, only the blatherings of an agenda driven extremist D. desperately trying to find actual dems saying something that would be anywhere close to what the right has been saying for years. The bias in your comment is so evident you lose credibility.

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 17, 2018 5:03 PM
    Comment #432978

    Weary, what you guys on the right seem to forget is the mainstream repubs invited this far right neo-fascist group to NYC (this is an act of inciting violence IMHO bigger than anything Obama said.). IMHO, in a WWAD, fashion it is only a matter of time before Trump and his far right activist call for many new laws against protestors and protest. That is why they are trying so hard to sell the left wing violence fabrication.

    The antifa are not a mainstream liberal group. They are a far left group dedicated to fighting fascism whenever it rears it’s head. Just think if a group of people would have taken the same approach when Hitler first got out of jail in the ‘20’s, when Italy and Germany were just introducing fascism to the world. Before he had a chance to come to power. Is that why the right wing has become so fearful of the left lately?

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 17, 2018 5:18 PM
    Comment #432979

    Antifa is fighting something that is fabricated entirely in their head! Mcinnis and Trump are no more a fascist than you are!

    What lies are we telling, j2t2? You, again, didn’t answer.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 17, 2018 7:58 PM
    Comment #432983
    • October 16, 2018: Person claimed ricin was in letter sent to Senator Collins home
    • October 16, 2018: Republican candidate Shane Mekeland punched in Minnesota restaurant
    • October 16, 2018: Gov. Cuomo (D-NY) Blames GOP for Antifa Attack on Manhattan Club
    • October 16, 2018: Republican State Rep. Sarah Anderson assaulted in Minnesota
    • October 16, 2018: DFL Employee Calls for Republicans to be Beheaded
    • October 12, 2018: Antifa Smash Windows, Deface Doors of Metropolitan Republican Club in Manhattan
    • October 11, 2018: Anti-Trump Protester Threatens to Rape Conservative Reporter
    • October 11, 2018: A truck with ‘Trump 2020’ bumper stickers was left at a bar overnight. Someone set it on fire.
    • October 10, 2018: Susan Rice’s Republican Son Assaulted at Pro-Kavanaugh Event
    • October 10, 2018: Eric Holder Tells Dem Activists: ‘When They Go Low, We Kick ‘Em’
    • October 10, 2018: CNN says mobs have “constitutional right” to chase Republicans out of restaurants
    • October 9, 2018: Hillary Clinton opposes “civility” with Republicans.
    • October 8, 2018: Raw Story’s Editor: Steve Scalise ‘Accomplice’ to His Attempted Murder
    • October 8, 2018: Leftist Teacher Tweets: “So Who’s Gonna Take One For the Team and Kill Kavanaugh?”
    • October 8, 2018: Antifa Takes Over Portland, Harasses Old Man for Disobeying
    • October 8, 2018: Rand Paul’s Wife: I Sleep with a Loaded Gun Thanks to Leftists’ Threats
    • October 7, 2018: Sen. Cory Gardner claims wife received a beheading video over Kavanaugh vote.
    • October 6, 2018: Kavanaugh Protesters Accost an Elderly Trump Supporter
    • October 6, 2018: Sen. Collins Flooded with Abusive Tweets Threatening Death, Violence
    • October 5, 2018: Protesters Chase Graham To His Car Saying They Will Remove Him From Office
    • October 4, 2018: Republican Senators Hit With Death Threats Amidst Kavanaugh Fight
    • October 3, 2018: Ricin and threatening letter sent to Trump
    • October 2, 2018: 2 hospitalized after exposure to powdery substance at Cruz’s Houston campaign office
    • October 2, 2018: GOP Congressman Andy Harris (R-MD) assaulted by protesters
    • October 2, 2018: Video: Leftist protester kicks pro-life woman
    • October 1, 2018: Vandals Hit IL GOP Headquarters With ‘RAPE’ Graffiti
    • October 1, 2018: Senator Mitch McConnell Badgered At Airport By Anti-Kavanaugh Activists
    • September 30, 2018: Georgetown prof: White GOP senators in Kavanaugh hearing ‘deserve miserable deaths’
    • September 27, 2018: Republican Senators doxxed by Democrat Congressional intern
    • September 25, 2018: CNN Defends harassment of Ted Cruz
    • September 25, 2018: Ted Cruz and Wife harassed out of DC restaurant
    • September 20, 2018: Brett Kavanaugh and family receive death threats
    • September 12, 2018: Resistance Makes Rape Threat to Susan Collins Staffer over Kavanaugh Vote
    • September 11, 2018: DC police investigate threat to commit mass shooting at a MAGA event in Trump International Hotel
    • September 11, 2018: Threats of Rape and Strangling’ Force Writer Into Hiding After Anti-Abortion Tweet
    • September 11, 2018: Trump Hater Attacks California GOP House Candidate wth Switchblade
    • September 10, 2018: Hispanic Immigrant says she was spit on in Santa Monica for Trump hat.
    • September 10,2018: Broadway Star Carole Cook on Trump: ‘Where’s John Wilkes Booth When you Need Him?
    • September 6, 2018: Media and Leftists Harass Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) and His Family
    • September 6, 2018: Black Trump Fan Booted from Bar for Wearing Trump Hat
    • September 6, 2018: Arsonists hit Albany County GOP Headquarters in Laramie, WY.
    • September 5, 2018: TV Writer Hopes Kavanaugh Daughters ‘Go to School Without Being Shot’
    • August 31, 2018: Dem Rep. Ruben Gallego Threatens Immigration Officials
    • August 28, 2018: California student arrested for stealing MAGA hat from classmate, slapping teacher
    • August 19, 2018: Dad Dares Daughter To Knock Off Guy’s MAGA Hat For 100 Bucks. She Does It.
    • August 18, 2018: Trump supporter assaulted by aging punk rocker.
    • August 14, 2018: CNN’s Chris Cuomo justifies and encourages violence against Trump supporters.
    • August 12, 2018: TX Restaurant forced to close social media accounts over photo of Jeff Sessions
    • August 9, 2018: FBI announce arrest for contract killing threat of ICE agent via Twitter
    • August 9, 2018: Antifa blocks Infowars reporter’s access to park
    • August 8, 2018: Democrat protester harass GOP rep. “Shame on your Mexican wife!”
    • August 6, 2018: Infowars reported harassed by Antifa in Portland
    • August 6, 2018: FL: Vandals throw dead fish on Lee Co. Republican headquarters
    • August 4, 2018: Trump supporter’s car has all 4 tires slashed in Philly.
    • August 4, 2018: Left-wing terrorists Antifa follow and harass Candace Owens
    • August 3, 2018: Anarchy Breaks Out in Portland, With the Mayor’s Blessing
    • August 2, 2018: Man arrested for threatening Rep. SteveScalise
    • August 1, 2018: Woman charged with trying to hit man with her car over Trump sticker
    • July 26, 2018: KY: Fayette County GOP headquarters vandalized
    • July 26, 2018: Trump supporter punched in Hollywood
    • July 25, 2018: Trump’s Hollywood Walk of Fame star destroyed … again.
    • July 25, 2018: Man arrested, indicted on charges after allegedly threatening Congresswoman Diane Black
    • July 24, 2018: Sen Cory Booker (D-NJ) Says Brett Kavanaugh supporters are “complicit in evil”
    • July 23, 2018: Denver Post Runs Letter to Editor Suggesting Trump Should Be Executed
    • July 23, 2018: Elizabeth Warren Supporter Shoves Challenger
    • July 20, 2018: Green-Haired “Gender Fluid” Guy Spits All Over Teen’s MAGA Hat
    • July 20, 2018: ‘Hang Trump’ Shirt Peddled on Facebook
    • July 19, 2018: ‘New Yorker’ Kills Trump
    • July 19, 2018: CA Anti-Trump Protesters Target Legal Immigrant’s Cafe Over Trump Support, Hurl Feces
    • July 17, 2018: Uber Driver Refuses to Serve Black Conservatives Over MAGA Hat
    • July 17, 2018: Gory Trump Throat-Cutting Art Decorates Portland Gallery
    • July 16, 2018: House Democrat Calls For ‘Military Folks’ To ‘Stop Trump’
    • July 16, 2018: Mob chases pro-Trump group out of Los Angeles bar
    • July 15, 2018: Anti-Trump Paraglider Who Buzzed Trump Visit Arrested in Britain
    • July 15, 2018: Former Clinton WH Staffer: It’s ‘Tempting’ to Beat up Rand Paul
    • July 13, 2018: Anti-Israel protesters harass Jared and Ivanka with loud speakers outside their home
    • July 13, 2018: 76-year-old man assaulted by anti-Trump thugs in San Diego.
    • July 11, 2018: ABC’s Terry Moran shames Fox News’s Shannon Bream for feeling threatened at SCOTUS protest
    • July 10, 2018: Protesters arrested, accused of assaulting officer at Portland ICE office
    • July 10, 2018: Man threatens to ‘curb stomp’ Trump supporter at Disneyland
    • July 10, 2018: Fox News Reporter Harassed, Threatened And Forced To Leave Supreme Court By Leftist Mob
    • July 9, 2018: Far-left blog Talking Points Memo mocks Stephen Miller over report of confrontation with bartender.
    • July 9, 2018: Trump senior aide Stephen Miller harassed on street by angry bartender.
    • July 9, 2018: Motorists scream curse words at Sean Spicer in his yard.
    • July 9, 2018: Trump senior aide Kellyanne Conway harassed in grocery store
    • July 9, 2018: Anti-Trump activists vandalize New York DHS office
    • July 8, 2018: LISTEN: Idaho GOP Rep. Receives Threatening Voicemails, Emails Because of This Facebook Post
    • July 8, 2018: Longtime Hillary Clinton aide publishes contact information about bookstore owner who stopped the harassment of Steve Bannon, Reines’s obvious goal is to see the bookstore owner harassed.
    • July 8, 2018: Far-left Daily Beast writer defends public harassment of Steve Bannon
    • July 7, 2018: Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) menaced outside restaurant. We know where you live!
    • July 7, 2018: Steve Bannon harassed at bookstore; police called
    • July 7, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists attack peaceful Tommy Robinson supporters in San Francisco
    • July 7, 2018: New York Times editorial calls for Dems to “take a page from The Godfather” to “go to the mattresses” to stop Trump’s Supreme Court nominee.
    • July 6, 2018: BLM activist calls for assassination of Supreme Court Justice
    • July 6, 2018: Brick Thrown Through Front Door Of Wheeling, IL, Township Republican Headquarters
    • July 6, 2018: CNN analyst justifies violence against Trump supporters
    • July 6, 2018: Long Island Man Threatened to Kill Supporters of Republican Congressman, Trump: Police
    • July 6, 2018: Florida man attacked over Trump flag in yard.
    • July 6, 2018: Woman threatens to stab Alan Dershowitz in heart.
    • July 5, 2018: Founder of #WalkAway campaign refused service at camera store.
    • July 5, 2018: Trump supporter wearing Make America Great Again hat allegedly assaulted in burger joint (video at link).
    • July 4, 2018: Paul Begala Reportedly Sending Serial-Harasser Mike Stark To Harass Barbara Comstock July 4th
    • July 3, 2018: Left-wing Catholic calls for sending Trump supporters to the guillotine
    • July 3, 2018: Nebraska GOP office vandalized.
    • July 3, 2018: EPA head Scott Pruitt harassed at restaurant.
    • July 2, 2018: MAGA hat wearer harassed at seafood restaurant
    • July 2, 2018: Mother of cancer survivor harassed online for thanking Eric Trump for $16 million in St. Jude support
    • July 2, 2018: Cher accuses ICE of “Gestapo tactics.”
    • July 2, 2018: Man accused of threatening to kill Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his family.
    • July 1, 2018: Washington Post reporter publicly calls on mobs to give Trump officials a “life sentence” of harassment.
    • July 1, 2018: Man wearing MAGA hat refused service in restaurant.
    • July 1, 2018: AntiFa terrorists attack Patriot Prayer rally in Portland.
    • June 30, 2018: Attorney Attacks Elderly Vet at “Keeping Families Together” March
    • June 29, 2018: Media falsely blame Trump for murder of five journalists in Maryland.
    • June 29, 2018: Hollywood actor calls on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to be harassed at “every meal.”
    • June 29, 2018: California man accused of threatening to kill FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s children.
    • June 28, 2018: Reuters editor says Trump has blood on his hands for murder of five journalists in Maryland. He still has a job.
    • June 28, 2018: Singer John Legend praises and agrees with Rep. Maxine Waters for calling on mobs to publicly harass Trump officials out of public spaces like restaurants.
    • June 28, 2018: Journalist lies about Maryland mass-shooter being a Trump supporter.
    • June 28, 2018: Co-Chair of Women for Trump Receives Death Threats After CNN Appearance
    • June 28, 2018: Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) calls on “angry” Latinos to oust Trump.
    • June 27, 2018: Media defend and champion Virginia restaurant owner who kicked White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders and her family out, and then reportedly harassed them as they ate at a nearby restaurant.
    • June 26, 2018: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao harassed at home by protesters.
    • June 26, 2018: Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) blames President Trump for her intern yelling “Fuck you!” at him through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. The intern was not fired;
    • June 26, 2018: Comedienne Kathy Griffin attacks the Trump administration as “pro-Nazi.” Obviously, once you describe someone as a Nazi, you are calling for violence against them;
    • June 26, 2018: Chicago bar refuses to serve Trump supporters;
    • June 26, 2018: Singer John Legend calls on Trump officials to be harassed until our immigration policies are weakened.
    • June 26, 2018: Late night comedians celebrate the harassment of Sarah Sanders and her family.
    • June 25, 2018: Burned animal carcass left on Trump staffer’s porch.
    • June 25, 2018: After refusing to serve Sarah Sanders and the family, we learn a restaurant owner then organized a mob to harass Sanders’ family at a nearby restaurant.
    • June 25, 2018: Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) calls on mobs to confront Trump officials over immigration policies.
    • June 25, 2018: CNN contributor attacks those on the right calling for civility.
    • June 25, 2018: CNN’s Jake Tapper dismisses harassment of Sarah Sanders as a political ploy on Sander’s part.
    • June 24, 2018: Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) publicly calls on mobs to “turn on” Trump officials, to “harass” them, ensure they “they won’t be able to go to a restaurant, they won’t be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store.”
    • June 23, 2018: Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi harassed, menaced, and reportedly spit at by left-wing protesters at movie theater.
    • June 22, 2018: Sarah Sanders and her family booted out of restaurant by left-wing owner.
    • June 22, 2018: Member of Canadian media, Patrick Dussault, threatens Don Jr.s 4-year-old daughter
    • June 22, 2018: Kirstjen Nielsen harassed by protesters outside her private home.
    • June 22, 2018: Rep. Jackie Sperier (D-CA), compares border enforcement to Auschwitz.
    • June 22, 2018: Left-wing activists vandalize billboard.
    • June 22, 2018: On Morning Joe, Donny Deutsch smears Trump and his supporters as “Nazis.”
    • June 21, 2018: Democrat state legislator in Pennsylvania greets Vice President Mike Pence with a “middle finger salute.”
    • June 21, 2018: White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller heckled and harassed at restaurant.
    • June 21, 2018: Actor Adam Scott compares Tucker Carlson to a Nazi.
    • June 20, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists publish list of ICE agents for harassment purposes.
    • Jun 20, 2018: Florida man accused of threatening to kill Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL), a U.S. combat veteran, and his children in a series of nearly 500 calls to his office.
    • June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to kidnap President Trump’s 11-year-old son and throw him in a cage with pedophiles.
    • June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to sexually humiliate and abuse Sarah Sanders and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen
    • Nielsen.
    Posted by: d.a.n at October 17, 2018 10:03 PM
    Comment #432986
    • June 20, 2018: Nancy Sinatra praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
    • June 20, 2018: Manhunt Underway For Central Pa. Man Accused Of Threatening To Kill President Trump, Other Officials
    • June 20, 2018: Documentary filmmaker Josh Fox praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
    • June 20, 2018: Arnold Schwarzenegger calls for politicians in favor of border security to be put in cages.
    • June 19, 2018: Kirstjen Nielsen harassed out of restaurant.
    • June 19, 2018: Democrat interns screams “Fuck you!” at Trump through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. She was not fired.
    • June 19, 2018: New Yorker fact checker publicly (and falsely) accuses a disabled war veteran who works for ICE of being a Nazi.
    • June 16, 2018: Jewish Trump Supporter Attacked Outside Kathy Griffin Show In San Francisco
    • June 15, 2018: Man has MAGA flag stolen at rally.
    • June 15, 2018: CNN analyst heckles and screams at Sarah Sanders.
    • June 14, 2018: Nancy Pelosi wonders why there ‘aren’t uprisings’ across nation: ‘Maybe there will be’
    • May 30, 2018: Anti-Trump Band NOFX Tells Vegas Audience ‘At Least It Was Country Fans’ Killed in Oct. Shooting
    • May 24, 2018: Anti-Trump forces threaten lawmakers’ lives in name of #Resistance
    • May 23, 2018: Tomi Lahren has water thrown at her at Minnesota restaurant
    • May 22, 2018: Trump supporter suspended from school over border wall t-shirt.
    • May 21, 2018: 14 threats reported against EPA chief Scott Pruitt.
    • May 18, 2018: Gunman shot at Trump golf club
    • May 16, 2018: CNN’s Chris Cillizza puts Trump in crosshairs.
    • May 14, 2018: Black man in MAGA hat harassed, threatened, called “nigger” at Cheesecake Factory.
    • May 12, 2018: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace asks “How do you resist the temptation to run up and wring [Sarah Sanders’] neck?”
    • May 4, 2018: Chula Vista school mural depicts severed, speared Trump head
    • May 2, 2018: San Antonio elected official threatens to poison Republicans’ food
    • April 23, 2018: Trump supporter shouted out of bar in New York.
    • April 13, 2018: Tourist in NY mugged at knifepoint while wearing MAGA hat — attackers wouldn’t give hat back
    • April 8, 2018: David Crosby celebrates fatal Trump Tower fire: ‘oh boy … burn baby burn’
    • April 7, 2018: Mental Health Expert who hates POTUS cheers Fire at Trump Tower-Jeffrey Guterman
    • April 6, 2018: During Ellen appearance, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) “jokes” about killing Trump, Pence, Sessions on elevator.
    • April 5, 2018: Orange Park, FL Trump supporter spends two hours in surgery after attack
    • April 4, 2018: Councilwoman accused of yelling obscenities at teen wearing Trump shirt
    • April 3, 2018: Woman brutally attacked in restaurant over support for Trump.
    • April 1, 2018: Trump golf course sign vandalized.
    Posted by: d.a.n at October 17, 2018 10:06 PM
    Comment #433005

    “mainstream repubs invited this far right neo-fascist group to NYC (this is an act of inciting violence IMHO”

    LOL.
    There is nothing fascist, or even far-right, about those guys. The only thing they are guilty of is rejecting leftist policy and standing up to the leftist groups that were attacking innocent Americans.

    “The antifa are not a mainstream liberal group. They are a far left group dedicated to fighting fascism whenever it rears it’s head.”

    They are a violent leftist group that today is dedicated to fighting those with a different opinion, not actual fascism or anything that looks like actual fascism.
    Free speech is not fascism. Saying a guy is a male is not fascism. Traditional marriage is not fascism. Low taxes are not fascism. The 2nd Amendment is not fascism. Immigration laws are not fascism. Border security is not fascism.
    According to these anti-American idiot thugs, the US has been fascist from day one.

    “what bothers me the most is the conservatives here on WB, yourself included, refuses to tell the truth”

    Now that’s funny, J2.
    You have been given countless examples of leftist violence, which you have chosen to dismiss or outright ignore, and can only give a few examples and partisan opinions of right-wing violence, but it is the “conservative here on WB” not telling the truth?
    LOL

    Posted by: kctim at October 18, 2018 8:30 AM
    Comment #433009

    Oh honestly nothing neo-fascist about these guys why they are peaceful good ol’ boys! LoL

    It is amazing how you guys continue to defend these ardent Trump supporters with red herrings, strawmen , projections and cognitive dissonance. Armed with myths misinformation half truths and outright lies you guys have your collective head so far up the conservative movement’s a** you can’t tell fact from fiction. The constant denial from the right has stripped you of your credibility guys. Nothing you say can be believed, you are to ideologically driven to understand it is you that are completely blind, just like the people of Germany in the late ‘20’s.

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 18, 2018 11:03 AM
    Comment #433010

    You’re going to have to do better than HuffPo opinion, J2.

    You have been given facts. When given facts, you should respond with facts, not hate, conspiracy or biased opinion.

    Posted by: kctim at October 18, 2018 11:26 AM
    Comment #433011

    Wow D. you have been busy compiling a list of …well what ….exactly? Anyway der Fuehrer will appreciate it when it comes time to make the case for restrictions on liberals and dems and protestors and protesting.

    As Weary said “You should be able to excuse language used in your first video,” and “I didn’t see any burning cars or smashed windows. No bats or pepper spray. There were a lot of cameras, but no mobs.”, so using that standard can you revise your list? Since the title of this thread is “lets agree on the terms, at least”…what do you say?

    My favorite is Nancy Sinatra praises Peter Fonda for his tweets, now that is some incitement right there! Hahahahaha

    Another one that causes questions is the May 18, 2018: Gunman shot at Trump golf club line D.. Why is that one in there? Do you have anything to suggest he is Antifa or liberal or a dem?

    I see you are now including death threats from unknown sources but do you realize that death threats from the right dwarf the death threats received by the right?

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 18, 2018 11:58 AM
    Comment #433013

    https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-how-to-tell-nazi-from-antifa

    Posted by: kctim at October 18, 2018 1:24 PM
    Comment #433016

    Why would he shoot up a Trump property if he was a Trump supporter? True, the story doesn’t mention any political affiliation, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore it was a Trump owned property.

    Upon further review of the link kctim provided I have revised my opinion of the attack j2t2 is clinging to. kctim’s video shows a group of people with black clothing and black masks throwing projectiles at the people exiting the venue. kctim’s video shows the exact area the incident takes place being the exact area shown, from a different perspective, in the video j2t2 is clinging to. There is no doubt in my mind the people exiting the venue were attacked with projectiles by the black clad instigators. The Proud Boys were simply retaliating against people blocking their path and assaulting them.

    Why do you choose to ignore this, j2t2? What motive do you have? How are you affected by a group of people enjoying a gathering? How are the so called protestors affected by the group enjoying an evening of entertainment? How are they put in danger? How can the protestors claim they are being assaulted by a group of people watching a performance inside a building?

    j2t2, you have a very closed mind. Apparently you see nothing that may make you doubt your convictions. That’s called bias, that’s called partisanship, that’s called ignorance.

    I was willing to believe there was an assault in progress perpetrated by people described as Proud Boy members. I was willing to believe this was an attack by Proud Boy members. Instead, upon further review, it turns out they were only resisting an assault upon themselves by the black clad protestors of the event. Left wing protestors who weren’t invited to the event. Left wing protestors who lay in wait for the patrons of the venue to exit the area protected by the police.

    You continue to insist this episode was an attack on innocence by Proud Boy members in spite of the forthcoming evidence to the contrary. This demonstrates your inability to entertain any deviation from your talking points narrative of the event.

    I enjoy our banter, j2t2, but in this instance you should quit digging this hole you’re burying yourself in.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 2:33 PM
    Comment #433017

    d.a.n is able to document instances of left wing violence. Why can’t you document the instances of right wing violence, j2t2?

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 2:50 PM
    Comment #433018

    I resent being called a liar by someone who refuses to back himself up. What kind of discussions do you have when you are face to face? Do you call them a liar and just stand there?

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 2:57 PM
    Comment #433019

    j2t2 discussing politics:

    j2t2: Nazi
    Conservative: No
    j2t2: Liar
    Conservative: No
    j2t2: Nazi

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 2:59 PM
    Comment #433021

    Pretty uncivil, just like ordered to be: https://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1052182841256226816/video/1

    Posted by: kctim at October 18, 2018 3:39 PM
    Comment #433022

    Triggered by a hat. It looks like a mental disorder to me. Think about it. They can’t wait for an appropriate opportunity to discuss their politics? They just go off on someone wearing a hat they don’t like! How is that normal social behavior?


    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 3:51 PM
    Comment #433023
    Why would he shoot up a Trump property if he was a Trump supporter? True, the story doesn’t mention any political affiliation, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore it was a Trump owned property

    Ah yes guilty until proven innocent Weary? To hear D. tell it only liberals and dems do that! With the business dealings of Trump, the fraud, the bankruptcies, the Russian mob and so on who really knows what the man was on about.

    You guys are special a video of the Proud Boys and the Antifa shows us only the violence of the left! Despite the police saying they have proof to charge 9 Proud Boys and 3 Antifa !

    True to form you also refuse to accept the truth, which is a major problem and why so many see the Trump administration as the start of Fascism coming to America once again, telling us lies about the Proud Boys, such as “There is nothing fascist, or even far-right, about those guys.”. Then you wonder why I call you out for lying!

    D. documents a charade, Weary, with maybe a few actual cases of violence, I mean Nancy Sinatra and the others I have commented on was violence or incitement! LOL. But it isn’t when Trump and the repubs do it! Yet he continues to…oh hell “>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hAPX7EfT6E”> listen to this guy then go buy both his books instead of being part of the problem.

    You ask why I haven’t bothered to create my own list. Well Weary I have gave you guys several links to lists and videos as well yet it is water off a ducks back with you guys, the truth is to hard for you. Cognitive dissonance , you choose to believe and repeat the lies over and over until you think they are true.

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 18, 2018 4:49 PM
    Comment #433024

    This entire discussion started with your link to what I described as an assault. You provided that link and kctim provided another from another perspective. You are ignoring kctim’s video! You have to be!

    The cops had to be there to let them out of the building! Why does that appear normal to you, j2t2?

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 5:23 PM
    Comment #433026

    Where was the news in your video clip of Morning Joe? That was nothing but opinion. It was also a one sided opinion. If they weren’t comparing Republicans to fascists it focused on Trump being a fascist. Where’s the objectivity? Are there no fascists who call themselves Democratics? None?

    I have a conspiracy theory for you! What if Morning Joe’s guest was on his show to specifically present to the left their marching orders against conservatives while disguising it as a bias history lesson?

    Chew on that one for a while!

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 5:44 PM
    Comment #433030

    That’s funny. Here’s another one.

      j2t2 discussing politics:
    • (1) j2t2: You are a Facist.
    • (2) Non-Democrat: No.
    • (3) j2t2: You are a Nazi.
    • (4) Non-Democrat: No.
    • (5) j2t2: You are brain-washed by right-wing propaganda machine.
    • (6) Non-Democrat: No.
    • (7) Return to Step (1).
    Posted by: d.a.n at October 18, 2018 8:02 PM
    Comment #433031

    After all, insanity is defined as “doing the same thing, repeatedly, and expecting a different result”.

    Therefore, it is insane to engage in additional repetitious debate, and expecting logic, reason, and reality to have any effect, whatsoever, to persuade a person who is so thoroughly and completely brain-washed, and obstinately obdurate, despite overwhelming and contrary evidence; and prefers to wallow in circular, partisan warfare to such a degree, that it matters not how twisted and immature that person’s pretzel-like logic becomes.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 18, 2018 8:06 PM
    Comment #433032

    Whenever I listen to MSNBC or CNN I listen to the words they use to portray their thoughts. They are full of emotion. The words they use are incendiary, I think.


    soft spot for heavy handed rulers
    This is how it begins
    there is no doubt we’re seeing fascist tactics being employed
    fear of the other
    In fascism there’s one big daddy
    We’re seeing that kind of politics all across the world and here in the United States as well

    Joe makes it clear he doesn’t want anyone to draw analogies between the Third Riech and Trump, and then saying anyone who does that is being as dishonest as Donald Trump! Could that be the “dog whistle” the left is watching for?

    More words:


    the big lie
    devalued truth
    chilling
    democracy is based on liberty and equality
    you have to smash truth so no one can speak truth to power

    Most of this interview is a method to get an opinion into the media camouflaged as an educational piece on fascism. The entire piece is constructed to compare Trump and Republicans to fascists. There’s no room for an open mind on that panel.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 8:50 PM
    Comment #433033
    Therefore, it is insane to engage in additional repetitious debate,…….

    D. You are projecting again. Repeating exaggerations myths misinformation and such isn’t logical it is logical fallacy.

    Weary, The guy has done his research and knows what he is talking about. The problem is your cognitive dissonance causing you pain.

    What is easy to see is where you get it from

    Posted by: j2t2 at October 18, 2018 10:29 PM
    Comment #433034

    Jason Stanley (author of the “How Facism Works” book) refused to say that the U.S.A. was facist.

    When asked, he said he would leave that up to others to decide.
    IF he wrote a book about facism, then he should be able to recognize facism (and to what degree), and he should be able to say who is most facist (i.e. facist to a degree to be of concern, because there are degrees of everything).

    The “one big daddy” for facism doesn’t make sense in all cases.
    Does Antifa have a “one big daddy”?
    Does the KKK have a “one big daddy”?
    Does the Republican party have a “one big daddy”?
    Does the Democrat party have a “one big daddy”?

    No.

    The fact that there may have been a “one big daddy” in some cases in the past (such as Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc.), is because they were essentially dictators, and their governments were flawed, lacked checks-and-balances to prevent a concentration of power for a “one big daddy”.

    The U.S. has three branches of government, term-limits, and other numerous checks-and-balances, which prevents us from having a facist “one big daddy”.
    So, all the talk on the left about Trump being, or becoming a facist dictator, are nonsense, because there are so many road-blocks that are preventing that from becoming possible. All of the hyperbole and hysteria from the Democrats and some on the left is mostly sour grapes, jealousy, and hate due to the 2016 election results. Instead of trying to figure out where they went wrong, Democrats are going farther left (i.e. open borders; abolish ICE; guilty until proven innocent; free healthcare; free college; free everything; sanctuary cities and states; preventing ICE from arresting and deporting criminal illegal immigrants; despicably pandering to illegal immigrants for votes and more representation in the House of Representatives; etc.). The U.S.A. become mostly facist someday, but it is not likely it could happen easily and quickly.

    Posted by: d.a.n at October 18, 2018 10:41 PM
    Comment #433035
    The problem is your cognitive dissonance causing you pain.

    I don’t get it.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at October 18, 2018 11:20 PM
    Comment #433097
    cog·ni·tive dis·so·nance noun - Psychology noun: cognitive dissonance the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change.
    It means that your attempts to try to make sense of the inconsistent and circular logic of the j2t2 Bot is causing you pain. Posted by: d.a.n at October 19, 2018 10:43 PM
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