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Why Waste Time Caring About Russian . . .

I could care less about Russian meddling, cyberattacks, propaganda, and so on …Such a waste of time, words and speech, IMO.

Let/s see . . . when is the last time you read something about a new superfast computer chip produced by the Soviets? I can see them all hovered around an old dell computer running Windows Vista trying to hack into some US entity.

I recall that they 'broke' into the DNC computer/server system by John Podesta giving them his password thru a fishing string. How many Americans do you think are that dumb/ignorant/stupid and so on . . . A handful of dim's and that's about it.

Does anyone believe Putin sits down for an internet session using a soviet digital device? I imagine him using some device with cyrillic characters taped on the keys.

As for soviet propaganda most people can think for themselves. For those who can't do that then they can watch FOX news and be leary of Pocahontas/Chelsa/Bernie Sanders and so on . . .

Fearing russian interference/meddling/cyberattacks is synonymous with a flea crawling up an elephants leg with rape on it's mind, and so on . . .

Lastly, do note that it didn't take Trump long to evict the last known Nazi from our shores.

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 21, 2018 11:28 AM
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Comment #430428

Russian interference with the election, undermining democracy, rampant corruption, an illegitimate president making lifetime appointments to the bench that should never have happened. Who cares? (Sob). Roy Ellis is taking his ball and going home now.

Oh, and this is the perfect time to reprint some of that shared letter from dbs. The timing of that was priceless:

“The next several weeks will be tough for you. I think Americans will learn some very hard truths about what happened in the previous administration and how we purposely have been misled by powerful leaders and the news media. I wish I could see you as a victim here, but you are not. I know you are smart; you chose to support this insurgency with your eyes wide open.

Now, I shall sit back and enjoy your pain.”

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Enjoying it yet? Hope no one was too fond of Trump’s Campaign Manager and personal lawyer. Looks like they will be going away for awhile.

Wonder if Cohen will give up one of his three clients, Sean Hannity, for criminality. That would be good for bonus points. Bet Hannity is sweating.

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 2:20 PM
Comment #430429

Taking his ball and going home? Sounds more like he is wanting to start dealing with the serious business of running the country.

Election meddling has been going on forever and it has not undermined our Constitutional form of government:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

IF there was actual evidence of “rampant corruption” within the administration, it would be in the courts by now.

Our Electoral College system determines the legitimacy of our President, not ideological differences and hurt feelings.

And why do you think anybody cares about tax and bank fraud charges against two civilians?

Posted by: kctim at August 21, 2018 3:11 PM
Comment #430431

“How many Americans do you think are that dumb/ignorant/stupid and so on …”

I can think of at least one Roy. That would be Hillary, the Clinton Crime Family leader.

We know the modus operendi of our Liberal Pal phx8. He comes into the room, throws his usual Trump bomb, and leaves. Frankly fellas, he is simply a “one-trick” pony.

He is becoming un-debatable. How does one debate a closed mind?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 21, 2018 3:35 PM
Comment #430432

Manafort guilty on 8 counts, good for up to 80 years in prison. And the next trial will be even better. He will next be tried in a separate court, the D.C. court, for conspiracy to defraud the United States, making false statements, failing to register as a foreign agent, money laundering, and witness tampering. The Mueller investigation reportedly has 1000 pieces of evidence to introduce in court.

Oh, and it gets even better:

Cohen pleaded guilty to 8 counts, and stated under oath that, “in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office” and in knowing violation of campaign finance law, Cohen paid Stormy Daniels and a playmate model hush money in order to influence the 2016 election; to prevent a scandal in the weeks immediately prior, in order to win the office.

That is a felony. That is, without question, an impeachable offense. Trump should never have been in office in the first place. And now…

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 4:56 PM
Comment #430433

The whole comment shared by dbs is priceless, but let’s keep revisiting it:

“The next several weeks will be tough for you. I think Americans will learn some very hard truths about what happened in the previous administration and how we purposely have been misled by powerful leaders and the news media. I wish I could see you as a victim here, but you are not. I know you are smart; you chose to support this insurgency with your eyes wide open.

Now, I shall sit back and enjoy your pain.”

Ah, that comment will be the gift that just keeps on giving. But wait! It gets even better. Later in the same thread, dbs says:

“If Manafort hadn’t been involved in the trump campaign, he’d have never been indicted on those @ 10 year old crimes. Mueller has nothing on Trump, and is punishing Manafort for not playing his game. If this investigation dies so does the lefts hope that it will help them in November. Most people are done with it anyway.”

Manafort’s criminality continued right into 2017, but never mind; the best part is watching dbs try to dismiss it as something people are merely bored with. Have fun!

And RF responded to that article as follows:

“Many thanks to dbs for the well written, factual, and amusing account of our laughable Liberal Pals.”

Ok, dbs did not write it, but again, never mind; Tell me, RF, should I sit back and enjoy your pain, the way dbs wants conservatives to do in response to Democrats? Would that be the appropriate response? The president’s personal lawyer just swore, under oath, that he violated the law and committed felonies at the direction and in coordination with Trump. As a devoted fan of law and order, and the Constitution, and a proponent who demands the responsibility of the Chief Executive is to enforce the law, tell me: how do you feel?

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 5:06 PM
Comment #430434

“…how do you feel?”

Well thank you for asking phx8. I feel just great. Manafort was found guilty and will be sentenced. Why in the world should I care? When did I ever care?

You are jumping the gun as usual with your comments and speculation on Cohen. Enjoy your imagination while you can Pal. You pretend to know the outcome; that never seems to work out for you.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 21, 2018 5:24 PM
Comment #430435

Nothing in the Manafort case pertains to Trump, and Cohen pleading guilty to campaign violations still has to be proven. The prosecutor and the FEC chair have different opinions on Cohen and his breaking campaign finance laws. This to may blow up in your face phx8 knowing your track record of failed predictions.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 21, 2018 5:45 PM
Comment #430436

Did candidate Trump break campaign finance laws? Our Pals on the Left are drooling over the prospect.

I will express my opinion right now. No, President Trump did not violate campaign finance laws.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 21, 2018 6:21 PM
Comment #430437

Correct RF, no campaign finance violations. Trump sees Manaport and Cohen getting hurt because of their relation with him. So, at some point President Trump will pardon both.

That’s about the culmination of Mueller’s witch hunt. Big F-ing deal. Build that wall, and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 21, 2018 9:13 PM
Comment #430438

“That’s about the culmination of Mueller’s witch hunt.”

Actually, no. We haven’t even gotten to the fun part yet. Caught a couple witches, but the next Manafort trial will include conspiracy to defraud the United States, making false statements, failing to register as a foreign agent, money laundering, and witness tampering. Manafort, the 2016 Trump Campaign Manager, is going bye-bye for a looooong time.

It’s even better with Cohen, Trump’s fixer for over a decade. Barely even noticed amid all the hoopla. Cohen had three clients: Trump, Sean Hannity, and Broidy. Cohen and Broidy were Deputy Finance Chairmen of the Republican National Committee. Broidy was implicated in a $1.5 million payout to yet another Playboy model who needed an abortion. He is also being named in a $75 million scheme to shake down the Malaysians, and another $25 million for other shakedowns of foreign governments.

I admire a crook who at least has the gut to sell out the country for a big payday. No point in betraying the nation for small stakes. Well, the Trump people are a bunch of crooks and traitors, and they lived the high life of multi-millionaires for years, a wealthy lifestyle most of us can’t even imagine. Now the bill is coming due.

Btw, pardons won’t help Manafort and Cohen. They also violated similar state laws, so the state of NY will put them away for life if Trump pardons them.

Let’s look at that quote from dbs again:

“The next several weeks will be tough for you. I think Americans will learn some very hard truths about what happened in the previous administration and how we purposely have been misled by powerful leaders and the news media. I wish I could see you as a victim here, but you are not. I know you are smart; you chose to support this insurgency with your eyes wide open.

Now, I shall sit back and enjoy your pain.”

It just gets better every time.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.


Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 9:48 PM
Comment #430440

Keep laughing phx8, you are going to have mud in your face again. Manafort is a non issue. Cohen and the Campaign finance issue is laughable. I remember when Edwards was brought up on campaign finance violations and was never convicted because of a hung jury and was never tried again. If I were you I would wait and see what happens because getting all giddy now just might blow up in your face. Mueller is desperate now and will f××× up.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 21, 2018 10:23 PM
Comment #430441

The convictions of Manafort and Cohen did not come from the Mueller team. They came from the SDNY.

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 10:57 PM
Comment #430442

Phx8, Mueller handed the cases over to the SDNY. Mueller’s team did all the leg work but was out of the scope of Russian collusion and obstruction of justice. I see a little bit of a double standard though. Obama had a little over 2 million in campaign violations yet was fined a little over $300,000. Cohen gets jail time and you liberals want Trump impeached. SMH SMH AND SMH.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 21, 2018 11:42 PM
Comment #430443

Just to be clear, Michael Cohen pleaded under oath, and knowing the penalties for perjury, that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women “for the principal purpose of influencing an election.” Counts 7 and 8. Felonies. Documentation included tapes, computer records, witnesses, and more.

Almost lost in the hoopla, Republican Congressman
Duncan Hunter and his wife have been indicted on a raft of charges tonight too.

We’re still waiting on an additional half dozen Congressmen who engaged in insider trading, like GOP Congressman Collins, who has already been indicted. One of the likely suspects is Price, the former head of HHS.

Lock ‘em up!

Oh, and let’s not forget GOP Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, or the Congressman who asked the Russians for information on his political opponent (probably Maetz from FL). which comes from the case of Marina Butina, the Russian spy who successfully infiltrated the GOP and NRA.

Or people we already know lied to Congress or the FBI,
including Roger Stone, Donald Trump Jr., and more.

Lock ‘em up!

Of course, unlike Trump supporters, we’ll observe the rule of law. No one will be charged without probably cause. No one will be locked up until they are found guilty, or present a flight risk while awaiting trial.

But wait. It’s just too good. I can’t resist:

“The next several weeks will be tough for you. I think Americans will learn some very hard truths about what happened in the previous administration and how we purposely have been misled by powerful leaders and the news media. I wish I could see you as a victim here, but you are not. I know you are smart; you chose to support this insurgency with your eyes wide open.

Now, I shall sit back and enjoy your pain.”

Lordy, that’s funny.

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 11:53 PM
Comment #430444

KAP,
That last comment is just about the weakest, saddest example of ‘whataboutism’ I have ever seen.

Maybe you should float a conspiracy about Mueller being a Muslim. Sure. Why not. Q!!!

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2018 11:56 PM
Comment #430445

News Flash phx8, it is not a violation of campaign finance laws to pay hush money out of your own pocket. Nor is it influencing an election. The former FEC chief even stated the payoffs were NOT a violation. Cohen pleaded guilty to something that isn’t even a crime. Lanny Davis steered Cohen wrong.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 22, 2018 12:07 AM
Comment #430447

By the way phx8 I suggest you clean up your own yard before you B×××H about other people’s yards. Your democrats ain’t no angels either.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 22, 2018 12:12 AM
Comment #430448

“Cohen pleaded guilty to something that isn’t even a crime. Lanny Davis steered Cohen wrong.”

Obviously Lanny Davis was a Muslim. But what about Hillary? What about Obama?

That is so preposterous. I’ll bet you’ve been listening to Hannity.

“… it is not a violation of campaign finance laws to pay hush money out of your own pocket.”

Uh, yeah. It is. That is why Cohen’s plea for counts 7 & 8 ended with the phrase “for the principal purpose of influencing an election.” It was an unlawful campaign contribution. That is why Cohen identified a candidate- Trump- as coordinating and directing the payments. That is why Trump lied about it to the American people. That is why Trump and Cohen tried to hide it with a shell company and another entity, the parent company of The National Enquirer. It’s illegal to do that and not declare it. It changed the outcome of the election. If Trump had publicly declared the hush money payoffs to the p*rn star and the playmate in the month before the election, he would not be president today.

Posted by: phx8 at August 22, 2018 1:04 AM
Comment #430469

Phx8, maybe your a Muslim I don’t know and really don’t give a F××k what your religion or anyone else’s religion is. So lets stop with the BULLS××T. It is not a crime to pay hush money and it is not influencing an election. If that were true then TV advertising would be influencing an election or paying off old debts during a campaign to keep the debt collectors from calling you a dead beat. You are going to have all this blow up in your face. Google campaign finance law you may learn something.

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It’s a daid issue … takes 2/3rds of the Senate to impeach. Now, if the dims can just get this blue wave goin …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 22, 2018 10:15 AM
Comment #430522

Another rich guy guilty of tax and bank fraud. The left wanted proof of collusion but didn’t get it.

President possibly violated campaign finance by paying the extortion fee’s of two hot chicks he may have had some fun with. The left has decided that they are now concerned about the personal life of a President, and campaign finance violations.

Another American citizen violently murdered by an illegal alien. This time a beautiful young lady named Mollie. The left wants open borders, to shut down ICE, sanctuary cities, and can’t understand why people care more about some girl in Iowa than they do about Manafort and Cohen.

I wonder what American’s will care more about?

Posted by: kctim at August 22, 2018 10:33 AM
Comment #430525

Before phx8 and the rest if the liberals of W. B. get a thrill running down their legs, Cohen has been subpoenaed to testify in the Trump foundation case in N.Y. No info yet on what he has been subpoenaed for.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 22, 2018 2:55 PM
Comment #430526

One would think, after eighteen months of predictions about President Trump that just never materialize, our chief Liberal “SEER, SOOTHSAYER, AND ORACLE phx8; would begin to appreciate how embarrassed we are for him.

I gave my opinion on the Cohen plea and see no reason to change it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2018 4:46 PM
Comment #430527

We should encourage Democrats, Liberals, Socialists and others so inclined, to continue to call for impeachment of President Trump in public and often.

While such campaign tactics are being disavowed by Democrat Party leaders, we hope the “hair-on-fire-all-the-time” Libbies, such as those here on WatchBlog, will ignore the wiser party heads.

We need to rally Republicans, Conservatives, and Independents to go to the polls in November in vast numbers. It is these people who elected President Trump and the Republican House and Senate that has already done so much for working Americans.

There is nothing that will rally President Trump’s base more than Democrat calls for impeachment.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2018 5:09 PM
Comment #430528

RF,
For once, we agree. We need to keep impeachment front and center. Trump just dug the hole even deeper today, and with Cohen’s tapes and sworn testimony, Trump will be up for two counts of breaking campaign finance laws. And this is just the opening salvo. No one, but no one, expected Cohen to finger Trump under oath with damning supporting evidence. And it will only get worse from here.

However, the conservative, Trump supporting GOP does not agree with you or me. They are going the route you see reflected in kctim’s comments. The idea here is to ignore what is happening with Trump and the grotesque corruption among the GOP Congress, and instead, rally the troops by demanding we pay attention to the murder of a white girl in Iowa by an illegal immigrant.

It is a classic propaganda technique. In Nazi Germany, instead of the illegal immigrant, they denounced The Criminal Jew. The idea was that a crime committed by one member of a minority group represented the entire group, and so the hatred aimed at one should be extended to the entire group. Hannity and Limbaugh are already promoting this. Kctim dutifully repeated it.

It appeals to Trump supporters, and rallies the base by taking something that is true- a young woman was murdered- and appealing to the basest instincts by extending the feelings about one murderer to the group as a whole. That is the hatred that comes from fundamental racism and bigotry that underlies Trump’s appeal.

Don’t underestimate the power of appealing to hatred and bigotry and racism. It works.

Just remember the words ‘The Criminal Jew’ when you see this tactic practiced by Limbaugh and Hannity and FOX.

Posted by: phx8 at August 22, 2018 5:45 PM
Comment #430529

Good for you phx8…go for impeachment and tell all your like minded friends to rally under that banner also.

Comparing anything conservatives on Watchblog write about illegal aliens killing American citizens to Nazi strategies to eliminate Jews is so outrageous phx8; that those who write that deserve to be tarred and feathered.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2018 5:55 PM
Comment #430530

“Comparing anything conservatives on Watchblog write about illegal aliens killing American citizens to Nazi strategies to eliminate Jews is so outrageous…”

You provide a perfect example of how this kind of propaganda works. Look at what you wrote. The isolated case of one illegal alien killing one person suddenly becomes illegal alienS. Plural. As if they are all killers. That is precisely how this works.

Remember the next time you see it: The Criminal Jew. That phrase will help you notice when the technique is being used.

Posted by: phx8 at August 22, 2018 6:01 PM
Comment #430531

Wow when some poor Central American family enters the country illegally it is zero tolerance for them law breakers but hey when it is Trump’s elections team what a different story. Such hypocrisy from the rule of law conservatives…err..umm…populist/”centrist”.

I could care less about Russian meddling, cyberattacks, propaganda, and so on …Such a waste of time, words and speech, IMO.

What an admittance of populist/”centrist” (lol) hypocrisy Roy. Do you recall the ALEC voter suppression laws sweeping the country? Remember telling us how every vote counts and how we need to stop all those millions of illegals from voting even though they existed only in some imaginary world of conservatism. Now it is alright for the Russians to hack our voting infrastructure at will!

Let/s see … when is the last time you read something about a new superfast computer chip produced by the Soviets? I can see them all hovered around an old dell computer running Windows Vista trying to hack into some US entity.

What a pathetically lame red herring Roy. Just because you haven’t heard of a super fast Russian chip doesn’t mean they don’t have access to state of the art computers and the skills to use them.

I recall that they ‘broke’ into the DNC computer/server system by John Podesta giving them his password thru a fishing string.

Which proves they have the skills necessary to hack servers they have no business hacking. Why all the babble about super fast Russian chips and such?

How many Americans do you think are that dumb/ignorant/stupid and so on … A handful of dim’s and that’s about it.

Spoken like a true dumb/ignorant/stupid and so Q believer Roy.

Does anyone believe Putin sits down for an internet session using a soviet digital device? I imagine him using some device with cyrillic characters taped on the keys.

So what Roy , another red herring. What about the Russian military officers indicted recently do they do this on their own or under the orders of Putin? Such deflection as the Trump Chumps rally around Der Fuehrer.

As for soviet propaganda most people can think for themselves. For those who can’t do that then they can watch FOX news and be leary of Pocahontas/Chelsa/Bernie Sanders and so on …

What an oxymoron Roy, think for yourself and Fox news in the same sentence! You can’t be serious. There isn’t one of you conservatives..er…umm…populist/”centrist” (lol) here on WB that don’t spout whatever nonsense Q and Hannity tell you to spout. Hannity lies Shep Smith call him on it and you repeat Hannity lies like they were anything but propaganda.

Fearing russian interference/meddling/cyberattacks is synonymous with a flea crawling up an elephants leg with rape on it’s mind, and so on …

Because elections don’t count? Such a foolish attempt to downplay the Russian cyberattacks on our country. Are you alright with the Chinese and Iranians doing the same thing Roy?

Royal, I don’t know what is worse, you have so much irony or so much hypocrisy in the outright lie you keep repeating. Yep the Clinton crime family thing… but the same day as the Trump crime family is convicted in court just has me shaking my head at your foolishness. So much for draining the swamp conservatives… So much for your Integrity…So much for rule of law and so much for Repubs that use the illegal immigrant when it was republicans that employed the man for years on their farm.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 22, 2018 6:09 PM
Comment #430532

Poor phx8 has lost it. He believes that there has been only “one” instance of an illegal alien killing an American citizen. Wow…disturbed minds are interesting, but scary.

No doubt phx8 is getting his direction from Senator “Pocahontas” Warren.

Will Nets Notice Elizabeth Warren Dismissing Murder By Illegal? Focus on ‘Real Problems”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2018/08/22/will-nets-notice-warren-dismissing-murder-illegal-focus-real

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2018 6:15 PM
Comment #430533

j2t2 is always good for at least a smile. He somehow believes that the “Trump family” includes two short time campaign people.

Does j2t2 know who is in the “Clinton Crime Family” I reference. Just family Pal…just Family.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2018 6:20 PM
Comment #430534

Has anyone noticed that the WatchBlog Democrat and Liberal column has become a hotbed of advertising for “call girls”.

Well…it does seem appropriate as they are always pandering or pimping.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2018 6:41 PM
Comment #430535

Royal how funny you consider Cohen’s 11 years with Trump to be short term! But then that pales to the Manafort Trump relationship. But hey what do I know? So tell me who exactly is a member of the Trump crime family besides those two? Look up what crime family means then smile Pal.

Wow Royal “call girls”! while Trumps pimp go to jail for paying them off, have you no decency.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 22, 2018 7:45 PM
Comment #430540

Phx8, I have to say that you have truly gone off the blind partisan deep end. Afraid to debate facts, choosing instead to resort to name calling and making ridiculous and baseless comparison’s.

I have never said that we should ignore anything. In fact, from the very beginning I have said that we all should wait for the facts before coming to any judgement.

Russian collusion? No facts that support your claim.
“Grotesque corruption”? No facts to support your claim that it is strictly a GOP problem.
The murder of an American citizen by an illegal alien? Indisputable FACT that you want to simply dismiss as “appealing to hatred and bigotry and racism.” Why is that, Phx8? Why are you so eager to spout divisive partisan rhetoric, opinion and assumptions, but ignore all debate of actual facts?

“the murder of a white girl in Iowa by an illegal immigrant.”

Your own cowardice, hatred and racism is showing. That American citizen would not have been brutally murdered by that non-American citizen if he was not in this country illegally.
You want to write her murder off as just another statistical anomaly? Well, tell us, how many more preventable deaths of your fellow American citizens will it take for you to put your politics to the side?

“The idea was that a crime committed by one member of a minority group represented the entire group”

If you think this is some kind of nazi propaganda BS, the lefts own arms are raised higher than anybody elses.
Free speech advocates. Religious folks. Police. Gun owners. Whites. White males. Straight males. Republicans. Conservatives. Right-wing folks. Capitalists.
Spare us your “criminal Jew” nonsense.

BTW: You can thank Fordham University Professor Christina Greer and yahoo for my comment. I don’t listen to Rush or watch Hannity.

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Comment #430541

A lot of mass murderers are named ‘Tim.’ Tim McVeigh. Tim Krajcir. Tim Spencer. A lot of good people, including pretty young white girls, would still be alive today if it were not for serial killers named ‘Tim.’ Not only that, Tims are deadbeats who live on welfare and, oddly enough, at the same time take away jobs from good people who are not named ‘Tim.’ It doesn’t matter whether or not that is true, just as it doesn’t matter whether illegal immigrants actually contribute more to the economy than they take away, or are less likely to commit crimes than the general population. Doesn’t matter. I’m saying it.

Perhaps you disagree, but you wouldn’t want to rush to judgment, would you? Because I have alternative facts. The truth isn’t the truth. And don’t believe what you are seeing and reading, because that isn’t happening.

Clearly, we need to deport the Tims, and build a wall to keep out additional Tims. Or maybe just “lock them up!”

Posted by: phx8 at August 23, 2018 12:28 PM
Comment #430542

Today the CEO of the company that owns the National Enquirer, David Pecker, took an immunity deal. He was involved with Cohen and Trump in ‘catch and kill’ stories . These involved payoffs to prevent scandalous stories from coming out about Trump and p*rn stars just before the election. We are already looking at two campaign finance felonies for Trump. Are there more, or is this just putting more nails in the coffin?

Posted by: phx8 at August 23, 2018 12:32 PM
Comment #430543

Please let us know when the first criminal complaint against President Trump is filed phx8. We know you sleep with the NYT under your pillow and the Huffington Post in your latrine.

By the way phx8. I would appreciate your “expert” knowledge of “Russian election collusion” to identify the criminal complaints lodged against any “American citizen” for colluding with the Russians in the 2016 election.

I don’t believe Mueller has filed any, and that is his charge as special counsel.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 23, 2018 1:58 PM
Comment #430544

All those ‘Tim’s’ are American citizens who have the right to be here. Unlike illegal aliens, nothing can be done about their presence until they do something wrong.
Funny that you would use homegrown criminals to advocate for illegal aliens, seeing that it only highlights how the mere presence of illegal aliens intensifies the problems we already have.

Doesn’t matter how much illegal aliens supposedly contribute to the economy, or how less likely you think they are to commit crimes, the simple fact is that without illegal aliens, American citizens cannot suffer from their crimes.

BTW: That’s about the dumbest analogy you could have come up with.

Posted by: kctim at August 23, 2018 2:22 PM
Comment #430545

Oh, that’s easy enough to change. Presto! Simply pass a law like the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, or the Jim Crow laws, or the ban on Asian immigrants in the 1924 law. There was no such thing as an ‘illegal’ immigrant until fairly recently in American history. But we have been plagued by killer Tims for decades.

It is a silly analogy, but it makes a point. There is an effort to tar all undocumented immigrants with a single case. Statistics and studies do not bear out the overall thesis about illegal immigrants being killers in any way, shape, or form.

I’m off on a very short vacation.

RF,
Keep in mind, the investigations by the SDNY are not the same as the Mueller investigation. The Mueller team has indicted 25 Russians, 3 Russian corporations, and taken guilty please from the National Security Advisor, Deputy Campaign Manager, and a Foreign Security Advisor. None have been sentenced, which means all can expect to testify in court in the future. Manafort’s first trial by the Mueller team resulted in 8 counts of guilt. The next trial starts soon.

In another case, the state of NY may turn the civil case over the Trump Foundation into a criminal case. It currently names Trump, Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka. The judge has urged Trump to settle out of court, because it is another paper case and extremely difficult to dispute. A settlement would involve a multi-million dollar fine and banning the Trumps from ever serving on the board of any charity ever again.

Posted by: phx8 at August 23, 2018 2:38 PM
Comment #430546

Nice “skating” for a Democrat phx8. You know you did not answer my question.

“identify the criminal complaints lodged against any “American citizen” for colluding with the Russians in the 2016 election.”

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Comment #430574

While the talking-points have told you this is about exclusion, racism and hate, it’s not. And you make yourself look silly by parroting them.

We don’t need new laws, we only need to enforce the laws we currently have. Laws we created to control who enters, in order to protect our nation and citizens.

“There is an effort to tar all undocumented immigrants with a single case.”

It’s called politics and it’s the same exact tactic you use when you scream this is about hate and racism. It’s the same tactic you use to infringe on 2nd Amendment rights. It’s the same tactic you use to attack religious folks.

“Statistics and studies do not bear out the overall thesis about illegal immigrants being killers in any way, shape, or form.”

Cherry picking nonsense.
There is no statistic or study that shows illegal aliens commit no crimes. There is no statistic or study that shows that an illegal alien could have committed their crime against the American citizen, if they weren’t in the country illegally.

When it gets down to it, all you are saying is that you are willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent American citizens at the alter of your politics.

Posted by: kctim at August 24, 2018 8:07 AM
Comment #430580

For a couple of decades the American people were risk averse relative to illegals. But, when Trump came along he brought the bad news aspects of illegal immigration to the forefront and often.

Now, almost daily, we see videos of tunnels under the border, tons of drugs crossing the ocean in fast boats, the heinous behavior of drug gangs, jazzed up drugs killing people, illegals killing/maiming people and, people are more sensitive about jobs loss and the economical disadvantage in general such as the cost for education, medical, welfare and similar forms of support for illegals.

IMO, republican officials who have supported open borders are at the end of their rope come the fall budget in November. They will likely escape this mid-term election but after that it’s ‘tea party or die’ for republicans.

Ang, getting back on thread, the same is true regarding this one sided justice system. The republicans have until the end of 2018 to deal with the attny gen problem and start investigating the dims for multiple crimes; Hillary and her emails, the Clinton Foundation, fake FISA’s, fake Steele dossier, conspiracy to get Trump, Comey and Mueller deep state relationship, and on and on … … . .

The next attny gen needs to be a junk yard dog when it comes to prosecuting deep state/conspiracy characters. I would think Rudy Juliani would be a possible. Any ideas out there??

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 24, 2018 12:55 PM
Comment #430581

Your question about who President Trump should name as a replacement for Jeff Sessions is difficult Roy.

I have thought about this for some time and just can’t come to any conclusions. We absolutely need an Attorney General who is fearless when it comes to political party or political connections.

The office begs for an individual who will listen to the President, members of congress, and justice department associates, but who will follow his/her own counsel and judgement. We need an individual who fears neither the media, or popular opinion.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 24, 2018 2:50 PM
Comment #430588

I wanted Jeff to be a success. He was THE first of the republicans to support Trump. Why he chose to recuse himself and didn’t tell the Pres his plan is not understood here.

And, the way he has run the justice dept is so … so infantile. Like he doesn’t have a grasp of what the position entails. He just seems to want to sit back and do things his way, silent, insular, totally incomprehensible.

Why can’t he come out and make public his feelings about the situation? I heard recently that when asked why he wasn’t doing anything about Ohr he said something like ‘he’s too close to Hillary’. Makes no sense at all.

He needs to be gone. Just have to get the timing right. Agree RF, that we need a tuff cookie for the job. I think we need someone like Trump. Someone who is not looking at this job as a stepping stone, wealthy enough and independent in their thing/acting on issues.

Mark Levin would be a good candidate. He is self assured, confident, and willing to listen to counsel. Trey Gowdy sic, would also be a good candidate, IMO.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 24, 2018 9:46 PM
Comment #430609

“He was THE first of the republicans to support Trump.”

Correction: Representative Chris Collins was the first to endorse Trump. He has been indicted for insider trading.

Duncan Hunter was the second to endorse Trump. He and his wife have been indicted for dozens of financial crimes.

Sessions was the third, and the first Senator. He has been publicly insulted and criticized by Trump for refusing to use the DOJ to pursue Trump’s political agenda, and persecute opponents. Sessions recused himself because the Mueller investigation is looking into Russian interference with the election and coordination with the Trump campaign, and Sessions was a high ranking member of the Trump campaign, the chairman of the national security advisory committee. That defines the circumstance for recusal- abstaining from a case due to a conflict of interest.

“Under 28 U.S.C. § 528, the Attorney General “shall promulgate rules and regulations which require the disqualification of any officer or employee of the Department of Justice … from participation in a particular investigation or prosecution if such participation may result in a personal, financial, or political conflict of interest, or the appearance thereof.”

“The operative DOJ regulation is at 28 C.F.R. § 45.2 (a section titled “Disqualification arising from personal or political relationship”). Under the regulation, “no employee shall participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with” either “any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution” or “any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.”

https://www.lawfareblog.com/does-sessions-have-recuse-himself-russia-investigations

So both by law and DOJ regulation Sessions is required to recuse himself.

It is the law. It is the duty of the president to faithfully execute the law. When Trump demands Sessions un-recuse himself, Trump is urging the breaking of the law and violating his sworn duty to uphold it.

Mark Levin is known for the following conspiracies:

He supported claims about health care reform including death panels.

Yeah. That actually happened.

He stated the Muslim Brotherhood “has infiltrated our government.”

He called Obama a “sympathizer” of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Levin said “Obama has an affinity for Islam far more than Christianity or Judaism.”

He started the conspiracy theory about Obama wiretapping Trump Tower which Trump so infamously retweeted. Levin literally accused the president of committing a serious felony. Trump repeated it and demanded an investigation. The CIA, FBI, and others investigated and found no evidence whatsoever.

There are many, many examples of Levin CTs about the so-called ‘deep state,’ but it gets really wild when Levin gets into sciences like evolutionary biology. Really nutty stuff.

Posted by: phx8 at August 25, 2018 12:39 PM
Comment #430610

So what happened to the 4th and 5th legislators to endorse Trump?

“Reps. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.) and Tom Marino (R-Pa.) were the fourth and fifth members of Congress to publicly back Trump… although DesJarlais, a physician, presented himself as anti-abortion and pro-family, he pressured his mistress ― who was also his patient ― to get an abortion.

In 2017, Marino withdrew from consideration as Trump’s drug czar after an investigation found that he sponsored legislation that made it harder for the Drug Enforcement Agency to battle the opioid epidemic.”

Moral depravity, corruption, criminality, and treason characterize Trump and his supporters again and again. There is no modern equivalent in US politics, not even close.

Posted by: phx8 at August 25, 2018 1:34 PM
Comment #430611

.. not even close.

There wouldn’t be since you never bother to look at the other side. How about it, phx8? Why don’t you scrutinize Democratics as well as you do Republicans? Are you just assuming Democratics are as clean as pure as the wind driven snow and don’t think you need to bother?

Or, is it you don’t want to expose the left the way you so gleefully expose the right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 25, 2018 2:33 PM
Comment #430612

Honestly phx8, when you focus on the right’s imperfections while ignoring the left’s, it simply makes those you persecute that much more stubborn. We end up not caring about the right and it’s problems, because to put ourselves on an equal footing with the left we have to ignore the right’s imperfections as well.

I guess that’s how we end up with everyday citizens going into congress as ordinary and coming out of congress worth millions. I guess that’s how we end up with politicians who lie as a matter of course to get reelected or lie to get their millions. I guess that’s how we end up with the corruption from top to bottom of this worthless government.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 25, 2018 3:32 PM
Comment #430613

WW,
The Obama administration was just about as pure as the driven snow. There were NO indictments of administration figures in 8 years, unless you count Petraeus, the Republican who was sentenced to a fine and probation for sharing classified information. Under Obama, there were NO indictments, never mind trials or convictions or plea bargains. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

What makes this even more remarkable is that the GOP House Oversight Committee issued over 500 subpoenas investigation the administration, as many as the three previous chairs combined. They found Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. That includes Fast & Furious, the IRS ‘scandal,’ and all the other politically motivated baloney and slurs and unfounded accusations.

During that time, Hillary Clinton was subjected to 8 Benghazi investigations over a four year period. Guess what they found? C’mon, guess! Oh, all right, I’ll give the answer. They found Nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.

How about that two year e-mail investigation?
Nope! Zero. Zip. Nada.

The Clinton Foundation.
Uh-uh.

Uranium One?
Less than uh-uh.

But wait! Wasn’t Bill Clinton charged with 50 articles of impeachment? Why, yes. Yes, he was. The GOP Congress charged him on 50 different counts. Guess what happened? The Special Prosecutor declined to prosecute ANY of them because there was NO evidence.

The three most corrupt administrations in recent history were Nixon, Reagan, and Bush #43.

The difference in Congress is that there have been individual Democrats who broke the law, usually to satisfy their own personal greed. The Republicans do it as a matter of political philosophy. They do not see government as a good and noble endeavor that fights for equal rights, community organization, or making life better for all Americans; instead, too many GOP Congressmen see government as a bad thing, with regulations and public ownership standing in the way of enriching their wealthy patrons and themselves, often at the direct expense of almost everyone else.

Posted by: phx8 at August 25, 2018 3:59 PM
Comment #430614

It is difficult to believe how an adult person, well versed in political antics, could possibly accept that all the scandals faced by Obama officials, could be mere attempts by others to bring false charges.

Yet, we have this person in our Pal phx8.

The Obama administration was filled with cabinet level officials, and their underlings, who were willing to quash any investigations by virtue of their offices.

When President Trump has a new Attorney General, these charges will be revisited.

P.S. phx8, I am still waiting for you to “identify the criminal complaints lodged against any “American citizen” for colluding with the Russians in the 2016 election.”…”

Put up or shut up Pal.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 25, 2018 4:57 PM
Comment #430621

phx8, Obama as pure as the wind driven snow? BULLS**T!!!! No indictment, plea bargains, trials, or convictions just means they haven’t been caught YET emphasis on the word YET.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 25, 2018 6:53 PM
Comment #430622

KAP,
The Obama administration held office for eight years. It ended in January 2016. They were deluged with accusations, investigations, and subpoenas. Why on earth would you imagine there is something more to pursue? In addition, no American administration has ever sought to persecute its political opponents from the previous administration, not Bush #43 for the invasion of Iraq and torture, not even the likes of Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee., where there was obviously far more cause. It has never been done. And you think Obama and HRC should be pursued?

RF,
“Put up or shut up Pal.”
That is an odd attitude, considering the Mueller investigation is ongoing. Several key witnesses have not been interviewed, including Trump, Trump Jr., Roger Stone, and more.

What we know of the Mueller investigation, we know only through their indictments, plea bargains, and the accounts of people who have already been interviewed, along with stories from people tangentially related but not actually involved with the team. There have been no leaks we know of. The charges and pleas for Papadopoulos, Flynn, Gates, and Manafort are indirectly related to Russian activity. Do you really want to hang your hat on that? Do you imagine for one moment that this thing is going to work out ok?

We do know some of the Congressional testimony. We do know the results of the IC report from January 2016, and the huge amount of corroborating information since then. We do know the Russians interfered in the election, we know the Trump campaign met with them, e-mailed, and met multiple times. To put that into perspective, it is unusual for a campaign to meet with an adversarial government even once, never mind dozens of times.

We do know Trump and his campaign have constantly lied about Russian involvement and collusion. As Trey Gowdy told the Trump legal team, ‘if your client is innocent, then why don’t you act like he is innocent.’

We know a lot of the Russian use of social media, but not that much about the role played by Cambridge Analytica, and whether the Trump campaign used the stolen data analytics.

The pace of the investigations has accelerated. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, just pleaded guilty to eight counts, and under oath, stated the president coordinated and directed Cohen in order to influence the outcome of the election. Manafort has already been found guilty as is about to face another raft of charges. David Pecker, the CEO of the company that owns the National Enquirer, has taken immunity, as has Trump’s accountant, Allen Weisselberg.

And we are about to go into the midterms with our election systems very vulnerable. The Russians have penetrated the state of Florida voting system thoroughly, right down to the local level. Meanwhile, the president has repeatedly called Russian interference in the lection a hoax, and done literally nothing to safeguard our upcoming election; just the opposite.

Posted by: phx8 at August 25, 2018 7:17 PM
Comment #430623

Phx8, the statute of limitations hasn’t run out yet for re opening investigations of wrong doings during Obama’s what you think was purer then the wind driven snow administration. We have Comey’s FBI which has had 25, the last I heard, agents Fired, resign, demoted, and retire because wrong doings.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 25, 2018 7:54 PM
Comment #430625

We don’t need to give a whit about the Mueller investigation, let it go on …

But, we need to get an investigation going on Obama and his administration. Will take years.

It seems nothing can/will be done until Sessions is moved out of AG.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 25, 2018 8:12 PM
Comment #430626

Just an additional observation:

The Mueller investigation is a classic Gambino style roll-up. It started at the bottom and then works its way to the top, flipping suspects in order to nail the next higher one in the food chain. This is how white collar criminals and organized crime are prosecuted. Technically, people who flip are called corroborating witnesses because they are not allowed to flip or gain immunity or plea bargain unless evidence backs their story.

For once, Trump was telling the truth in that recent FOX interview. He really dislikes flipping. He has seen a lot of top mafia people in NYC put away in Gambino style roll-ups, given up by underlings who faced turning or spending the rest of their life in prison. Trump knows EXACTLY what is coming. The walls are closing in, and the remaining people who have not been interviewed are almost certainly targets.

Posted by: phx8 at August 25, 2018 9:54 PM
Comment #430627

Remember this phx8, you get rid of Trump you get Pence and that is Trump without the “T”. He’s a HELL of a lot more conservative the Trump.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 25, 2018 10:12 PM
Comment #430629

Pence is a genuinely creepy guy. He headed the Trump transition team and he has told many lies for Trump. It is not illegal to lie to the American people, but no one will want to have anything to do with him, not after he spent all that time fawning over Trump. If he becomes president it will be a crippled presidency.

And you just know he’s one of those guys who’s hiding some sort of weird fetish. I’d bet good money on it. All that very public, holier-than-thou stuff in the name of religion… Not a good sign. Did you know he is afraid to be alone with any woman who is not his wife? Ick. He is so creepy. Well, that kind of religious-based s*xual repression will express itself in an unhealthy way. I’m guessing a shoe fetish, or cross-dressing.

Posted by: phx8 at August 26, 2018 12:04 AM
Comment #430630

Phx8, being alone with a woman who is not your wife has been the downfall of many of men. Look how many women Billy Clinton was alone with and what happened, we can include Trump in that narrative. Not wanting to be alone with a woman who is not your wife IMO is a smart idea especially if you are a politician and in the public eye. Religiously speaking it is a good idea to just look to the RCC for examples. Like I said you get rid of Trump you get Pence and all that YOU think is creepy.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 26, 2018 12:31 AM
Comment #430631

Working from the bottom up in the Obama administration resulted in nothing but immunity granted to anyone who was involved.

Listen to phx8’s slander of Mike Pence! Pure speculation and childish name calling. Completely unfounded! That comment was beneath anything you’ve ever said, phx8. I’m waiting for you to write something like that about a Democratic, but I’m not holding my breath.

I’m guessing a shoe fetish, or cross-dressing.
I’m guessing you’re just a partisan hack, phx8.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 26, 2018 10:40 AM
Comment #430632

Many thanks for taking time to respond to my question phx8. You have now admitted that there is not a single charge against any American citizen for collusion with the Russians in the 2016 election. All the names you throw around are American citizens.

The next time you peddle your lies, we will know that it’s just because you have a penchant for lying.

It is revealing for phx8 to attach some type of “weirdness” to a public figure, Like Vice President Pence, to be openly religious. We recognize this weirdness expressed by phx8 to be a mental defect.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 26, 2018 3:25 PM
Comment #430653

phx8 knows he’s wrong in what he commented. He hasn’t tried to support his slander. That’s all liberals have left, slander and innuendo and lies.

I’d have a little respect for them if they just came out with a truth as to what they support. Right now they only support destruction. That’s not a very appealing platform to run on.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 27, 2018 1:57 PM
Comment #430654

RF & WW,
Well, I could be wrong about Pence. After all, before it came out in the press, I figured Roy Moore cruised for young men. Turns out Roy Moore liked women. Really, really young women. Because of their “purity.”

A lot of people are religious. A lot of people hold beliefs. Some see it as very personal. Some join together in church to share their beliefs. Most people do not make a big deal of it. But sometimes people aren’t comfortable in their own skin. They repress, and because they are repressing a powerful part of human nature, they compensate with protests louder and more public than necessary. To paraphrase, ‘methinks Pence doth protest too much.’

Anybody think there will be indictments by this Friday? If the federal investigators observe a DOJ policy, they will not come out with anything between @ Labor Day and the midterm elections. Now, that is only a policy, not a law, so there is that to consider. The indictments seem to come out on Fridays, but the guilty verdicts on 8 felonies for Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, came out on a Tuesday, and so did the guilty plea to 8 felonies by Trump’s personal lawyer.

Roger Stone predicts Donald Trump Jr. is about to be indicted for lying under oath. But how would Roger Stone know? Stone has also predicted he will be indicted.

Posted by: phx8 at August 27, 2018 2:03 PM
Comment #430655

Join a circus, phx8. Back peddling seems to be your forte.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 27, 2018 2:44 PM
Comment #430656

“Well, I could be wrong about Pence.”

Wow, phx8 is so magnanimous. He referred to Vice President Pence as a “genuinely creepy guy who’s hiding some sort of weird fetish.”

Azzhole comments like this are born in the dark minds of the mentally deficient. Those who express such views about others without any basis in fact, are usually harboring such thoughts and views themselves.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 27, 2018 2:57 PM
Comment #430657

You don’t think Pence is creepy? I do. And I would still be willing to bet good money he is hiding some sort of sexual deviancy or fetish, although I admit, he strikes me as the kind of guy who is literally closeted, whether it is with shoes or women’s clothes or whatever, but that is not something that will ever be proven… or disproven. Guys who spend that much time worrying about the s*xuality of women, adultery, and homos*xuality are ‘not comfortable in their own skin.’

Look up some quotes by Pence on adultery and s*x.

The boy’s not right in the head. Who talks like that? Seriously, who? I had a recently deceased Aunt who was a holy roller. She praised J*sus for this and that at the drop of a hat, but I never ever heard her publicly say weird things about how other people should conduct their s*x lives.

Posted by: phx8 at August 27, 2018 3:40 PM
Comment #430658

What did he say that makes you think the way you do, phx8. Links to actual quotes, please. We don’t need your opinion, we need quotes.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 27, 2018 3:55 PM
Comment #430659

WW,
What’s the matter, are your fingers broken? Couldn’t find any Pence quotes on the Russia Today site?

“I think it’s time for the media and our leaders to get real and start telling the truth about the impact of adultery on our national life.

“What is real is that adultery destroys tens of thousands of families every year across America. What is real is that adultery scars tens of thousands of children emotionally and psychologically every year. What is real is that adultery is an open wound in a relationship which more often than not overflows into domestic violence or worse.”

Remember, this is the guy who fawns over Donald Trump and calls him “a good man.” Pence is more famous for efforts to pass laws discriminating against the LBGT community. It nearly ended his political career in Indiana when his bigotry aroused national disgust and economic threats to boycott Indiana by virtually every major corporation as well as NCAA basketball, but oddly enough, his pariah status left him as one of the only GOP political figures not destroyed by Trump with name-calling and the usual vindictive behavior, and Pence ended up VP.

Posted by: phx8 at August 27, 2018 4:46 PM
Comment #430660

Do you believe adultery is harmless?

Pence is more famous for efforts to pass laws discriminating against the LBGT community.

You mean the same law Bill Clinton passed? The SC ruled it didn’t apply to states so Indiana passed the same type of law. Pence didn’t discriminate against anyone because the law protect those who would be discriminated against with frivolous lawsuits. It does not discriminate against the various abnormal communities. Get some education, phx8. Quit listening to propaganda that is fake news.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act_(Indiana)


Posted by: Weary Willie at August 27, 2018 5:02 PM
Comment #430661

We understand phx8 is merely playing games. He thrives on attention and division. He will say or write nearly anything to get himself noticed. What a lonely guy he must be.

Sorry phx8. Write all the outrageous crap you wish. Your wrath will grow in direct proportion to our not caring.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 27, 2018 5:55 PM
Comment #430670

Now that we can see a difference in our politicians, it is obvious we’ve been mislead by the establishment. They’ve scared us and taxed us and dictated to us and taken advantage of us with reckless abandon. Their tactics are in the streets, masked, breaking anything that isn’t theirs to get their way.

The establishment encourages aggressive hostile tactics. The stark difference between the established politician and Trump’s administration is staggering and, frankly, I feel a bit ashamed I let it happen throughout my life. I’ve known the media for what it is since I watched Dan Quayle’s speech on family values and the reaction from CNN and Hollywood. I’ve known the double standards since then. I hope my efforts have done some good toward getting others to see the hypocrisy our ruling class is guilty of.

The left created Trump. As with many other leaders throughout history, both good and bad, the hubris, arrogance, and hypocrisy of the ruling class brings these leaders forward. The ultimate petard. I’ve of a mind that Trump is one of the good guys and history will back me up on that. I’m sure.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 27, 2018 8:24 PM
Comment #430671

Quite right, WW. I began to realize the msm/establishment relationship along about the time of Teddy Turner.

But, WW, the right has been embedded as the deep state as deeply as the left. Left and right goals are/were the same, cheap labor thru open borders and globalism to streamline every facet of business.

It wasn’t just the left that brought Trump to the forefront. John McCain and his open borders/amnesty position had a lot to do with folks voting for Trump and shutting out 9 or 10 of the GOP’s ‘finest’ candidates.

The left lost the election and the perception is that it is the left fighting to impeach Trump. That’s wrong. The right is fighting, in their own way, just as hard as the left to hold on to globalism/openborders/amnesty goals. Since Trump won the election the right can’t be as open or vocal in trying to get rid of Trump.

But, it’s all over but the shoutin . …

Ohr goes before two House committees tomorrow and the news that Hannity broke tonight just makes any thoughts of impeaching or impuning Trump silly.

The greatest conspiracy in our history is crashing down …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 27, 2018 9:22 PM
Comment #430691

Be honest. What is it you really want? Fair wages?

Let’s face it. This doesn’t have anything to do with open borders or amnesty. The richest of the rich tell you to resent people coming in on the southern border, as if they are the cause of low wages, but if everyone was receiving a fair wage, immigration wouldn’t matter.

The richest of the rich & corportions, through mouthpieces worth hundreds of millions of dollars like Limbaugh and Hannity, tell you to resent them. A Congress full of multi-millionaires is telling you to resent them, and resent foreigners. They call anyone who wants a fair playing field a socialist, even as they cut taxes deeper and deeper, and put their money in tax free havens overseas.

What you really want is socialism, but you are trained to dismiss it, or pretend a country where people receive a living wage is a terrible thing, that labor unions are bad, that there should not even be a minimum wage.

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

But there are democratic, socialist countries where people not only make a fair wage, have cradle-to-grave medical care, and a free college education, but actually have MORE social mobility, and a better chance to become rich, than Americans. They pay for it with taxes, 50% of their wages.

Can any conservative honestly say they personally benefit from corporate tax cuts, or tax free havens overseas, or a military spending hundreds of billions on things like jet fighters and an endless war in Afghanistan?

But you’re trained to dismiss socialism, as if being poor and exploited and having atrociously expensive medical care that will bankrupt you if you get really sick, as if racking up tens of thousands in debt for education, means the same thing as being free.

Posted by: phx8 at August 28, 2018 11:02 AM
Comment #430692

I am pleased that our Lefty Pal phx8 has come completely out of the closet and embraces Socialism proudly and publicly. Nothing new except he finally admits it.

I will continue to follow and embrace our founding Democratic Republic based upon the novel idea that people are capable of governing themselves; that government must be kept small and responsive to the people.

I embrace the capitalistic concept that capital, combined with labor, operating in a free society is the best economic model ever created; and never matched. This model has created the most successful nation in history. The United States of America has been the country that other nations, wanting to be, or remain free, turn to in times of peril.

Our economic success has created a nation capable of being philanthropic and generous in aiding countries in need.

phx8, name the Socialist nation that produces many Nobel prize winners. Name the Socialist nation that comes to the aid of other nations with generous amounts of money and manpower. Name the Socialist nation that other nations turn to for innovation in science, medicine, engineering, or economics.

The Democrat Party is falling head-over-heels with a failed economic system. It will not succeed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 28, 2018 3:10 PM
Comment #430693

Successful socialist nations:
Finland
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
Ireland
Netherlands
Canada
New Zealand
Belgium

Note: these are examples of democratic socialism. They are democracies where people vote and govern themselves, and they are every bit as free as the US, if not more so. And for the record, a Norwegian invented the Nobel Prize.

The US gives the most in foreign aid in total dollars. As a percentage of GNP, almost every developed country in the world gives more than the US.

Meanwhile, let’s look at the value of labor versus capital:

In the past 12 months, wages have increased 2.7%, while inflation has increased 2.9%. That means real wage growth has actually declined.

Virtually all of the tax cuts went to the richest of the rich and corporations, who promptly put the money into the stock market. This resulted in a lot of growth in the market last year, even as real wages declined. Why did the rich and corporations put their money into equities?

Most corporate CEO’s are compensated with stock options. That is why corporations put all that money into stock buybacks.

Several decades ago, CEO’s made 50 times as much as their laborers. During the intervening years, productivity has increased dramatically, yet real wages have remained flat. Today, CEO’s make 312 times as much. Wealth in the US has become more concentrated in the top 1%. All of the additional wealth has gone to capital. Virtually none has gone to labor.

This is the best economic model ever created for a tiny fraction of the population. For most, it is not even close to what has been achieved in democratic socialist countries.

And then you guys fall for the baloney of a guy like Trump, and you cheer on more tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and you celebrate Supreme Court Justices which sanctify the purchase of elections by the rich and corporations…

And as long as the rich and corporations appeal to rural male white grievances- the dark side of the American character- you willingly and enthusiastically blame minorities for the result.

Posted by: phx8 at August 28, 2018 3:48 PM
Comment #430694

I’m not sure you can compare these relatively small countries to the U.S. and still expect the same results. They also don’t have the security expenditures the U.S. has assumed. That has changed and the social programs are taking the brunt of it. Greece has been in the news for expecting the rest of the E.U. to foot the bill for their massive entitlement programs. From mentality to sheer size, there is no way we can compare the U.S. to Europe. Using European countries as a model for socialism in America is not a valid argument.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 28, 2018 4:44 PM
Comment #430695

Your right weary, phx8 thinks a country like Sweden with a population of 10 million you can get the same results in a country with 350 million population. The needs vary from state to state making it unworkable.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 28, 2018 5:04 PM
Comment #430696

I can agree with phx8 when he mentions Citizen United and allowing corporations to act like citizens with all the rights entailed. Corporations are tools, not people. The people who are used as an excuse to condone corporate person hood already have a vote, from the CEO to each employee, to every stockholder, all of them have a voice equal to those who don’t work for a corporation.

The corporation shouldn’t be making decisions in this country. Corporations shouldn’t have a voice in our government at any level. Corporations outlive every human on earth. Corporations are worth more than any individual on earth. Corporations can spend money with much more abandon than any individual. There is no comparison. Comparing a corporation to an individual is like comparing the U.S. to a European country. They just don’t relate.

Socialism has been tried in this country, and it failed. William Bradford introduced capitalism to replace the socialism that was retarding their progress. The capitalism that was introduced guaranteed the success of the pilgrim settlement in America.

Capitalism built this country from nothing. The socialism that followed in the early 20th century was built on the foundation capitalism provided. We are not experiencing capitalism now. We are experiencing socialism that is supported by capitalism. Socialism in this country will not work without capitalism as it’s underlying foundation. Conservatives are trying to protect the foundation that supports the social programs created in the 20th century. It should make absolutely no sense to demonize capitalism and conservatives, because without them the social programs could not exist.

That is a very good reason to dismiss socialism. Independent socialism could exist in a society supported by capitalism. The opposite is not true of socialism. The law of diminished returns comes into effect eventually dooming socialism. Socialism needs capitalism to exist.


Posted by: Weary Willie at August 28, 2018 5:22 PM
Comment #430697

Thanks phx8 for the list of countries you consider to be “Successful socialist nations.”

I don’t want to spend much time comparing Socialism with Capitalism so I will take just one country (Denmark) and reveal how wonderful socialism is there. I choose Denmark as your apparent political idol, Bernie Sanders, uses them as his ideal.

Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen wrote; “I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”

Denmark is a market economy with high taxes and an extensive welfare state that is in economic trouble.

British journalist Michael Booth, who has lived in Scandinavia for over a decade and written a book about his experience there, says that the quality of the free education and health care Danes receive is far from great. Their PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) educational rankings are just average, they have the lowest life expectancy in the EU aside from former communist countries, and the highest rates of death from cancer in the world.

Booth also says there is a broad consensus that the Danish welfare state remains unsustainable, despite the many reforms of recent decades. “The Danes’ dirty secret is that its public sector has been propped up by—now dwindling—oil revenues.”

Social Democracy is not Democratic Socialism phx8. In Scandinavian countries the means of production are mostly owned privately. Resources are allocated by the market, not government. Heavy taxation and public welfare spending remain withing a capitalist economy.

Danish PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Speaking at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government said; “I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”


Posted by: Royal Flush at August 28, 2018 5:34 PM
Comment #430698

If European socialism is so great, why didn’t France build a program that sent astronauts into space and onto the moon? Why didn’t Denmark whip Germany in the second world war? Why didn’t Greece provide an easy chair and microwave for every one of it’s citizen?

No, it was American capitalism that conquered the moon as well as the axis. It was American capitalism that created the microwave and the easy chair while sending man to the moon. They were actually bi-products of the space mission!

How does socialism do that if government is going to control what it’s citizens will receive from their labor?

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”

The flaw in this ideal is that one is going to determine what another’s abilities and needs are. That’s the fundamental difference between capitalism and socialism and it’s also why socialism always fails!

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 28, 2018 5:37 PM
Comment #430699

By the way phx8, regarding those Nobel winners. Here’s a list.

Rank Country No. of Laureates
1. United States 364
2. United Kingdom 125
3. Germany 106
4. France 68
5. Sweden 31
6. Russia 26
7. Switzerland 25
8. Canada 25
9. Japan 24
10. Austria 21

If I added correctly, the USA has produced more Nobel winners than the total other nine (361) top producing countries.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 28, 2018 5:48 PM
Comment #430700

Anatomy of developing a new product under socialism.

Inventor: May I create something that does this.
Provider: Sure.
Inventor: May I have the resources to create this?
Provider: No.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 28, 2018 5:54 PM
Comment #430701

Not only did you do the math wrong, but those countries total a population less than the US. There is just no way to justify it.

UC Berkeley used to lead the US in Nobel Prizes, and education in the CA university system was almost free. Today, thanks to the destructive influences of conservatism and Reagan, UC Berkeley has fallen to 4th, and like state schools around the country, education has become extremely expensive.

Nevertheless, it is the blue states that invest in infrastructure and education, and tax incomes for it, that produce more than states which do not.

Instead of resorting to clichés about socialism, why not think for yourself, instead of barking like a trained seal? What we have been doing for the past three decades is not working for most Americans. Wages for everyone except a tiny percentage of the population, the richest of the rich, remain flat. You KNOW that is true. Ask yourself why.

Posted by: phx8 at August 28, 2018 6:23 PM
Comment #430702

Despite phx8 whining about every thing we cherish, this headline tells a different story.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans’ consumer confidence rose in August to the highest level in nearly 18 years as their assessment of current conditions improved further and their expectations about the future rebounded.

https://apnews.com/a9444498173d4f42a52c83adb947fa74/US-consumer-confidence-rises-to-18-year-high

Liberals and Socialist follow the same pie-in-the-sky illusion as our WB Pal phx8. For them, the glass is always half empty and the grass is always greener in some one else’s pasture.

These folks are constantly looking for the next government “freebie” and resent having to work for anything they want. Well sorry Pal…”freebies” are not free and they won’t be coming to your neighborhood or home any time soon.

The “Golden Age” of Socialism has passed you by buddy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 28, 2018 6:44 PM
Comment #430703

RF,
The only thing that has changed with consumer confidence is that the Republicans that criticized the economy under Obama now find the exact same economy and the exact same trends under Trump to be wonderful. That is not something to be proud of. That is just plain sad. It is, perhaps, the best single example of tribal separatism.

Hey, check with WW & Dbs and see if they ever decided to accept the numbers from BLS. For the longest time they claimed it was all a fraud cooked up by Democrats.

WW,
Almost every major technological innovation has come from high tax blue states like CA, OR, WA, and MA. Think the major growth stocks of the past years: Google (Alphabet Soup), Facebook, Amazon, and Netflix.

Just out of curiosity, can you name a single innovative company coming from a red state in the past, oh, decade or two?

Posted by: phx8 at August 28, 2018 7:03 PM
Comment #430704

Henry Ford 1910.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 28, 2018 7:45 PM
Comment #430706

I don’t think you would be eating so well if it wasn’t for red state innovations in food production.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 28, 2018 8:12 PM
Comment #430707

Red states allow fracking. Blue resist for political reasons.

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Comment #430712

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Posted by: pihu147741 at August 29, 2018 2:19 AM
Comment #430728

The Dem’s are running out of lies and out of groups to pander to. Blacks, Hispanics and women are all coming over the the Red side.

The Socialist spouting fool who won the Dem primary for governor in Florida will go down in flames in November. Florida does not have a state income tax. The Socialist want that. The Socialist also wants free medical care for all Floridians, including non-citizens. He wants huge new spending and promises to raise taxes to pay for it.

Wow…what a brilliant strategy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 29, 2018 4:04 PM
Comment #430729

Wow…another huge victory for Republicans and President Trump.

“WASHINGTON ― Senate Democrats just gave a huge gift to President Donald Trump: They agreed to expedite votes on 15 of his nominees to lifetime federal court seats because they wanted to go home.”

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/08/29/democrats-just-confirmed-lots-of-trumps-judges-so-they-could-skip-town/23512171/

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 29, 2018 6:52 PM
Comment #430760

Conservatives are fooled into believing the economic system we have know is capitalism. We have crony capitalism and it was conservatives that made it so. Take the anti poaching agreements put into contracts with various fast food chains to suppress wages, is that a free market economy?

Capitalism has ran amok as they control the government, a tyranny worse than what the founding fathers were up against. Yet we have dumbed down to the point most conservative sheeple blame immigrants or dems or anything but their own ideology.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 30, 2018 6:42 PM
Comment #430761

I can agree with that, j2t2. Corporations practically run the government. Corporate person hood was a bad assumption and it should be discouraged.

However, placing the blame on conservatives is inaccurate. Your comment seems to exclude any others who benefit from controlling government. I would venture to say there are many more Progressive Liberals who dominate the governmental process. If you take a look at the social media giants, the media, Hollywood, they are all dominated by Liberals. Are you trying to say none of those industries influence government?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 30, 2018 9:51 PM
Comment #430795

Tell you what Weary, lets explore that. Start a new thread and lets go to open secrets or some such and you present your view and I will present mine.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 31, 2018 11:52 AM
Comment #430798

Which one, corporate person hood controlling government or liberal industries influencing government?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 31, 2018 2:09 PM
Comment #430805

Those liberals you think that are specifically buying legislators and/or legislation Weary.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 31, 2018 5:13 PM
Comment #430807

..and you will provide a list of conservatives who are specifically buying legislators also, right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 31, 2018 7:49 PM
Comment #430828

sure will try to impress you Weary with my vast display of conservative corruption in this country.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 1, 2018 11:15 AM
Comment #430833

You start, because I’m suffering from a severe case of snow blindness searching for corrupt Democratics.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 1, 2018 5:07 PM
Comment #430834

Well thats why conservatives start so many conspiracy theories Weary. Certainly The Clinton’s, The Obama administration and the deep state should be easy enough to make some spurious claims about the dems.

I mean ALEC and the Koch Bros should be a good enough start if you really need me to .

Posted by: j2t2 at September 1, 2018 6:19 PM
Comment #430835

I guess sarcasm is lost on you, j2t2.

How is the Koch brothers any different than Tom Steyer or George Soros?

ALEC is a group of state legislatures. How are they any different than the Progressive States Network?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 1, 2018 9:51 PM
Comment #430836

Well Weary instead of playing games put up or shut up. The fear you are exhibiting is palpable, my friend.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 1, 2018 10:17 PM
Comment #430838

How is the Koch brothers any different than Tom Steyer or George Soros?

ALEC is a group of state legislatures. How are they any different than the Progressive States Network?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 1, 2018 10:52 PM
Comment #430957

Well?

What’s the difference, j2t2? You are trashing ALEC while excusing ALICE. Then you refuse to answer a simple question?

It sounds like you just want to make a fuss, then run for the high grass!

Answer the question, j2t2. What’s the difference?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 3, 2018 3:52 AM
Comment #430958

You can’t, can you? You’ll try. You’ll make false accusations. You’ll avoid the question. You’ll blame me for asking it. You’ll accuse me of some faux grievance instead of answering a simple question.

Congratulations, j2t2. You’re a fascist.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 3, 2018 4:00 AM
Comment #430991

Weary, don’t let the hate and fear get the best of you. The answer to your question is simple, you are comparing apples and oranges. Unless of course you can provide the vast Soros/Steyer network that has been promoting myths and misinformation like ALEC and the Koch Bros political network.

As an example this Koch Bros funded group has met in secret with the state legislatures, barring the press from attending these meetings with elected state officials. They have written laws based upon their agenda to suppress the vote and given them to the different elected officials to pass into law. The SCOTUS has been denying these laws for the past few years.

Now when you call me a Fascist I can understand how sensitive you are because you are such a proud Trump chump, but just because you project onto others doesn’t make it true…unless of course you are a Trump chump. So please stop and look around a bit while you dig up info on Steyer/Soros. Think first post second… it will make you a bit better of a person.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 4, 2018 9:37 AM
Comment #430995

The only comparison to apples and oranges for these 2 groups one’s a conservative group and the other is a liberal group. The objective is the same, to influence and create legislation.

Soros is buying district attorneys in the west. He supports left leaning candidates with money. Why isn’t that considered the same as what you believe Koch is doing?

You are ignoring the similarities because of politics, j2t2.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 4, 2018 12:33 PM
Comment #430996

Soros is buying district attorneys in the west! Weary the issue here is corruption in politics. WTF does this have to do with politics? What laws exactly do these district attorneys pass into law? What proof do you have that Soros is supporting left leaning candidates with money? Apples to Oranges Weary, you need to up your game a bit my friend or we will have to come to the realization the right wing is much more corrupt than the left wing. The whole DA thing is laughable.

It would amaze me if you couldn’t find something that would cause one to think the dems are up to the same things the repubs are up to, were it I, I would be copying them as they have managed to gain quite a bit with their corrupt activities.

So start searching my friend prove to us dems hold closed door meetings with donors and legislators and money men to plan out how to turn us into an oligarchy.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 4, 2018 1:17 PM
Comment #430999

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/25/soros-spends-big-in-californias-da-races-in-bid-to-reshape-criminal-justice-system.html

Playing ignorant doesn’t make for a decent discussion. Why not you up your game instead of playing dumb?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 4, 2018 3:36 PM
Comment #431000
He admitted Soros’ team scripted and paid for his ad on television, while his fundraising efforts were improved following the help from Cari Tuna, senior adviser to Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign.
Posted by: Weary Willie at September 4, 2018 3:44 PM
Comment #431001

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 4, 2018 4:26 PM
Comment #431007

Weary, come on man stop being so fearful and squash the hate. WTF does this district attorney thing have to do with political corruption? Explain it please. You have to admit that when compared to the voter suppression laws of ALEC it pales as you try to compare Soros to the Koch Bros.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 4, 2018 10:36 PM
Comment #431009

I don’t understand what you’re getting at, j2t2. You’ve contributed nothing to this conversation. There’s no point playing whack a mole with your ignorance.

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Comment #431024

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Comment #431025

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Posted by: kanchipuram sarees at September 5, 2018 12:28 AM
Comment #431146

The sad fact is you probably don’t understand Weary. It is one of those conveniences many conservatives/populist “centrist” have when they spout stuff then can’t back up with anything factual. It works well with the lack of truth and cognitive dissonance we see in so many on the right today.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 5, 2018 8:42 AM
Comment #431155

Is that it? Is all you can say is I’m stupid?

This little episode says you can’t support your position so you will question my intelligence. Have you brought forward any support for your position? No, you simply call my position a lack of understanding of your position, a position you fail to express.

Your ignorance has no boundaries, does it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 5, 2018 10:53 AM
Comment #431160

Weary, agreeing with you is saying you are stupid? Because other than that you are falsely claiming victim status on this thread. It is amazing how thin skinned conservatives are. So quick to call minorities names yet so easly butt hurt when calling yourself stupid.

Wow Weary yet another round of projecting instead of providing your opinion on the subject. I bet you feel like the one legged man in the a** kicking contest after posting this last comment of yours.

This shouldn’t be so hard my friend. Just point out some real corruption from Soros as I have done with the Koch Bros.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 5, 2018 3:14 PM
Comment #431161

You mentioned ALEC and Koch. I gave you the left’s equivalent. You feign ignorance by claiming they don’t relate. They do. They are the exact same animal on the far ends of the scale. You say ALEC and Koch are corrupt.

Here’s the discussion:

Which one, corporate person hood controlling government or liberal industries influencing government?
Posted by: Weary Willie at August 31, 2018 2:09 PM
Comment #430805

Those liberals you think that are specifically buying legislators and/or legislation Weary.
Posted by: j2t2 at August 31, 2018 5:13 PM
Comment #430807

..and you will provide a list of conservatives who are specifically buying legislators also, right?
Posted by: Weary Willie at August 31, 2018 7:49 PM
Comment #430828

sure will try to impress you Weary with my vast display of conservative corruption in this country.
Posted by: j2t2 at September 1, 2018 11:15 AM
Comment #430833

You start, because I’m suffering from a severe case of snow blindness searching for corrupt Democratics.
Posted by: Weary Willie at September 1, 2018 5:07 PM
Comment #430834

Well thats why conservatives start so many conspiracy theories Weary. Certainly The Clinton’s, The Obama administration and the deep state should be easy enough to make some spurious claims about the dems.

I mean ALEC and the Koch Bros should be a good enough start if you really need me to .
Posted by: j2t2 at September 1, 2018 6:19 PM


When I mentioned the equivalent of ALEC and Koch you start to waffle and claim I don’t understand. I understand you don’t hold up your part of the deal. You have yet to list any corrupt conservatives.

Comment #431007

Weary, come on man stop being so fearful and squash the hate. WTF does this district attorney thing have to do with political corruption? Explain it please. You have to admit that when compared to the voter suppression laws of ALEC it pales as you try to compare Soros to the Koch Bros.
Posted by: j2t2 at September 4, 2018 10:36 PM


You need district attorneys to enforce the law, j2t2. If they only enforce laws that Soros tells them to, (via contributions) what good are the laws at all?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 5, 2018 5:41 PM
Comment #431165

Weary I didn’t “waffle”, You gave us an apples to oranges comparison as I said. I didn’t feign ignorance I asked you to defend your opinion with facts, I mean how does campaign money to DA’s equate with closed door meetings with state legislators that won’t allow the press to attend? Answer that instead of avoiding the question with all your diversions Weary.

Writing laws and enforcing laws are two different animals Weary. Passing laws that suppress the vote, amongst other laws, is a corruption of our system of government. BTW do you any instances where those DA’s elected with funds from Soros backed groups have actually did anything other than what they said they were going to do.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 5, 2018 7:10 PM
Comment #431166

Meeting with state legislators is not illegal. The rest of your comment is your opinion.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 5, 2018 8:15 PM
Comment #431172

Meetings without the press being allowed in equals corruption IMHO Weary. Perhaps with the bar so low on the right you will defend this type of legislative activities but would you if it were dems doing the same thing.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 6, 2018 12:05 AM
Comment #431199

You said it.

IMHO

You’re wasting my time.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 6, 2018 9:20 AM
Comment #431201

Weary what’s so hard about backing up your statement? You stated “However, placing the blame on conservatives is inaccurate. Your comment seems to exclude any others who benefit from controlling government. I would venture to say there are many more Progressive Liberals who dominate the governmental process. If you take a look at the social media giants, the media, Hollywood, they are all dominated by Liberals. Are you trying to say none of those industries influence government?”

Yet you have went around in circles trying to blame Me and Soros and haven’t proved anything except you don’t know what you are talking about.

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Comment #431351

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