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Trump, A Great Populist President In Action

This President Trump is about as close to the type of President I’ve dreamed about for 50 years. Much of his ability to be presidential comes from the fact that he is super rich and doesn’t have to worry about life beyond 2024.

Here is a President who is actually acting to get gangs out of the country, changed immigration laws to cut down on muslim terrorist entering the country, has plans to build a secure wall on the southern border, put the brakes on NK and Iran, working on fair trade deals for the US, and so many other positive, desirable irons in the fire.

Recently, he pulled the tickets of the ex-CIA director and I believe he will do the same for another dozen or so individuals who have used their positions to weaponize govt and attack a presidential candidate and a sitting president. This is such a minor thing but, it is such a right thing to do. No President should tolerate such behavior from ex=gov't emps.

We've had a cowardly, worthless congress/senate forever and the President gets little support from them, the tea party folks are supportive. So, it's so good, enjoyable, satisfying, to watch this President, day after day, and so efficiently, working to correct so many wrongs. Trumps supporters were totally, completely fed up with gov't and now we are 'living the good life', life is good again. We are winning again, and so on . . .

He will go down in history as one of the best Presidents in our history, IMO. Clapper will be next, IMO.

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 16, 2018 7:29 PM
Comment #430275

For the past 15+ years, the democrats and their activist judges and media have colluded to force their political correctness and social justice nonsense onto the whole country. Average Americans concerned about their individual rights, their country and their culture, were told that their long held views and beliefs now made them bigots, racists, sexists, xenophobes etc… and were told to sit down and shut up.

Now, they have a president who isn’t bowing down to the political correctness and social justice nonsense. Now, they are being targeted and attacked for still holding onto those long held views and beliefs, and now they finally have a President who supports them.

Posted by: kctim at August 17, 2018 9:27 AM
Comment #430284

Right kctim. A good example is this crazi judge in Az, I believe, that gave the Muslim group planning havoc in the desert a $20k bond before they go to court. The bond is payable only if the defendants don’t show up for court.

Another one; on Obama’s watch an ISIS/Alqueda guy applied for entry to US and was approved. Instead, he spent some time in Iraq, killed a policeman and then came to the US. Trump has tightened up entry rules by Muslims in the ME requiring some vetting of those wanting to come in.

More good stuff; Jeff Sessions has been given orders to speed up deportation of those here illegally. Some 600k on their books to deal with but, now they are going to be fast tracked.

Also; Sessions is working with Mexico to take out the drug cartels. How long have we been waiting on that? Cover yore eyes dims, going to be some blood on the ground pdq.

I mean, for a populist/centrist I don’t see how it could get any better than this. Wait, it can. When the dims start going on trial for their crimes against the Constitution, that may be the highlight of this Presidency. Would seem that if Manaport can get 300 years Hillary cud do a century, no sweat.

Full Speed ahead Mr. President. . .

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
Comment #430285

Let me join the hallelujah chorus on President Trump. He may be considered a bull in a china shop by some, but he is breaking all the right stuff.

I read this morning that he has had 28 federal circuit court judges approved and sitting on the bench. That is nearly one out of seven of all circuit court judges. I believe that President Trump has set the record in successful judicial appointments.

Consumer confidence is at a great level and it is sure to affect the midterm elections.

A new and more fair trade agreement is close to being signed by us and Mexico. Trudeau appears unwilling to participate. I believe he will change his infantile mind.

Chinese trade reps are back in Washington looking to make a deal. The Chinese economy is taking a huge hit and Premier Xi Jinping is getting nervous as his politburo is questioning the wisdom of a trade war with the USA.

The GOOD NEWS just keeps coming.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 17, 2018 2:35 PM
Comment #430286

I find it interesting that we have not seen a post or comment by our Liberal Pals lately. Can we assume they have been converted to the “right”?

Naw…not possible.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 17, 2018 2:38 PM
Comment #430287

Just imagine the outrage if any Republican candidate pulled this stunt.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Banned the Media From Her Latest Town Hall Event

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 17, 2018 2:49 PM
Comment #430288

It’s been a little rough for them lately:
Hillary apparently paid a foreigner for opp research
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Cuomo saying America was never great
Another Cuomo excusing and defending violence against those who disagree
Manafort trial a bust
Elections pretty typical
antifa attacking police and media
“No border, no wall, no USA at all!”
Their ‘white supremacy’ and ‘nazi’ talking-points were proven to be nothing but nonsense

Guess they are waiting for Maddow to release exhibit #503, LOL

Posted by: kctim at August 17, 2018 3:01 PM
Comment #430290

Actually, I’m waiting for a conservative to post something that isn’t just batsh*t crazy.

First, re globalism: the globe doesn’t go away just because you close your eyes.

The other signatories to the Iran deal are all continuing to observe the agreement, including Iran. The Iranians are allowing inspectors in, the centrifuges are shut down, and everyone is ignoring US calls for harsh sanctions.

The North Koreans are continuing to develop their missiles. Nothing changed.

Over 500 children are still separated from their parents at the border. That is simply incredible.

“Here is a President who is actually acting to get gangs out of the country…”
Nothing has changed. That is delusional.

“… changed immigration laws to cut down on muslim terrorist entering the country…”
WTF! That is certifiably nuts.

“… has plans to build a secure wall on the southern border…”
Uh huh. And people in jail have plans to get out. Wish in one hand and cr*p in another and see which fills up first.

Revoking the security clearance of the man who headed the operation to get Bin-Laden has resulted in 13 previous CIA Directors and head of the DNI- everyone for the past 20 years- to denounce Trump. The statement by the head of the Seal team, Admiral McRaven, is especially damning.

“Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don’t know him.

Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.

Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs.

A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization. A good leader sets the example for others to follow. A good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself or herself.

Your leadership, however, has shown little of these qualities. Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.”

That isn’t just ‘some guy.’ He oversaw the SEAL raid that killed Bin-Laden. The hostility of the Intelligence Community towards Trump is nearly universal. And remember, these are people who took an oath and put their lives on the line.

Meanwhile, several hundred newspapers ran editorials yesterday denouncing Trump’s attacks on the Freedom of the Press. As it turns out, a recent poll shows 51% of Republicans say the free press is the “enemy of the people.”

There are NO new trade deals. TPP continues among 10 countries without US participation. The rest of the world signed onto the Paris Climate Accord without the US. The rest of the globe didn’t go away just because you shut your eyes.

Is the Manafort trial a bust? Really? Because I’m pretty sure the jury is still deliberating. They are dealing with 18 counts and a mountain of supporting documents. It could be days, and I wouldn’t blame them. That’s a complicated case, and the criteria is not ‘probably.’ The jurors need to be certain beyond a reasonable doubt. That deserves deliberation.

Posted by: phx8 at August 17, 2018 4:58 PM
Comment #430291

Maybe they’ve just laid their cards on the table and they are in a holding pattern until the election.

Maybe they realize their talking points are getting boring from overuse.

Maybe the only option they feel is left to them is violence.

Maybe they realized all of their grievances are imaginary.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 17, 2018 5:10 PM
Comment #430292

“Is the Manafort trial a bust?”

Who is saying that phx8? You’re the only one that has found a link between Manafort, the Russians, and the Trump campaign. So sorry fella, the prosecution never mentioned your fanciful conspiracy theories involving Trump and the Russians.

phx8 obviously has no clue of what we conservatives mean by “globalism”. Will someone who cares to take the time, explain it to him.

Please read the CIA published conditions for keeping a security clearance after leaving the service phx8. Then, we can talk about Brennan.

The remainder of phx8’s contentions are merely his musings. No facts, no sources; just “wish it were true” ramblings.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 17, 2018 5:42 PM
Comment #430293

Thanks for the link Weary. Very interesting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 17, 2018 5:51 PM
Comment #430294

For a over a year and a half phx8 and others have ranted about Trump and to this day have absolutely NOTHING, except a ten year old case of Tax evasion by his former campaign manager and Flynn lying to the FBI. All of which have nothing to do with the Trump presidency. As far as Brennan is concerned IMO I think all civil servants and retired military that have security clearances upon leaving their respective services have no more security clearances. If need be they can be reinstated for short periods as needed but only for good reason.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 17, 2018 6:22 PM
Comment #430295

Rich, I agree with your comment about security clearances. It seems that former “spooks” have some kind of fraternity. It’s a very “clubby”, “chummy” elite membership.

We thank those who served honorably for their service. Retire with dignity. You no longer need a security clearance. If your nation needs you again, your clearance for your expertise will be issued.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 17, 2018 6:33 PM
Comment #430296

Perhaps we should also put down canine units when they, or their owners, retire. They have the ability to search without the checks of a LEO. They are tools, and when you are done with a tool you put it down.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 17, 2018 6:58 PM
Comment #430298

Some 60 ex-officios signed on to support retention of clearances. A security clearance has value even in a retired status. CNN/fake news will pay more for a cleared speaker than a non-cleared speaker. Also, in looking for employment after retirement the clearance is a big plus for some companies where clearances are generally required.

It is believed that the ‘deplorables’ put more credence in a speaker with a clearance.

I am hopeful Trump will pull the tickets of a couple of dozen conspirators over the next six months. This will do much to keep his base close.

Everyone on FOX is incredulous that an investigation into the Obama/Hillary conspiracy has not been initiated. Maybe there is a good reason to hold off until after midterms. Maybe they are waiting on Ohr to testify 28 August. Maybe it is a good idea to wait until Mueller is done. Trump has authorized the declassification of the competing memos surrounding the FISA fraud. Any investigation should start with Obama, IMO.

Would be nice to have inside information. wait….wait….wait… and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 17, 2018 9:54 PM
Comment #430299

Maybe they are hoping the pressure will bring one or more conspirators to fully confess, trying to save their arses …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 17, 2018 9:59 PM
Comment #430300

With Obama’s foreign policy record there’s no reason why Brennan should be recognized as a competent expert.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 17, 2018 10:08 PM
Comment #430301

Roy, a security clearance may be a big plus when looking for a job but a government sanctioned clearance should stop after government service. If the civilian employer wants you to have a clearance then they should do their own background checking.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 17, 2018 11:09 PM
Comment #430317

RF & kctim & KAP,
Apparently you are unaware this Manafort trial is only the first one. He will next be tried in a separate court, the D.C. court, for conspiracy to defraud the United States, making false statements, failing to register as a foreign agent, money laundering, and witness tampering. The Mueller investigation reportedly has 1000 pieces of evidence to introduce in court.

Have fun with that.

How can you guys be so uninformed? Who is misleading you?

“With Obama’s foreign policy record there’s no reason why Brennan should be recognized as a competent expert.”

Such a broad statement should be easy to support with one example. Can you name one?

Here’s a funny line from our resident WB Russian:

“Everyone on FOX is incredulous that an investigation into the Obama/Hillary conspiracy has not been initiated.”

Gee. I can’t imagine why there is no investigation. Gosh. That’s a real poser. LOL.

Trump’s withdrawal of security clearances is intended to punish Brennan and others for exercising their freedom of speech. It has nothing whatsoever to do with security.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2018 10:45 AM
Comment #430318

He can speak without a security clearance.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 18, 2018 10:54 AM
Comment #430320

phx8 all that crap that Manafort is in court for and will be in D.C. all has NOTHING to do with Trump. Also explain to us how taking someone’s security clearance away will infringe on his/her 1st amendment rights? Like I stated before phx8 all civil and retired military who leave government services should NOT retain their clearances. If they need a clearance in civilian life to do a job the civilian employer should be responsible for the cost of the background check and maintaining the clearances.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 18, 2018 11:31 AM
Comment #430321
Such a broad statement should be easy to support with one example. Can you name one?

April 15, 2013, Boston: Multiple bombs explode near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing three people, including an eight-year-old boy.
December 2, 2015, San Bernardino, California: Fourteen people are killed and more than 20 wounded when two jihadists open fire at a holiday party at the Inland Regional Center.
June 12, 2016, Orlando, Florida: A mass shooting by an Islamic extremist at an Orlando nightclub leaves 50 people dead, including the gunman, and more than 50 injured.

I’ll give yo a few, phx8. They seem to be really easy to find.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 18, 2018 12:19 PM
Comment #430322

Those are not examples of foreign policy. I do not consider them failures on the part of the Obama administration, nor do I consider terrorist attacks on American soil under Bush to be failures by that administration. The responsibility for attacks rests first and foremost on the attackers, and that includes the white, Christian, gun-owning males who launch the vast, vast majority of attacks and mass murders in the United States. It is literally impossible to stop every attack, but on the whole, I think the IC has done a good job over the past decade or more.

So can you cite an example of a foreign policy failure?

Let me help. IMO, the biggest IC failure under Obama was not anticipating the Iraqi Sunnis would change sides when ISIS invaded. Even that comes with all kinds of caveats; after all, it took years of horrendous decisions under Bush to alienate the Iraqi Sunnis to that extent. We should have recognized the danger. Unfortunately, sometimes, the bad guys succeed.

“… all that… Manafort is in court for and will be in D.C. all has NOTHING to do with Trump.”

He was Trump’s Campaign Manager. Gates was Trump’s Deputy Campaign Manager. Manafort was laundering money right into 2017. He owed a Russian oligarch $17 million and offered private briefings.

The Manafort defense lawyers and the judge asked whether the Mueller prosecutors were justified in pursuing Manafort, since they were tasked with investigating Russian interference with the election and working with the Trump campaign. The judge held a closed hearing and stated the prosecution by the Mueller team was justified. Remember, Manafort was in the Trump Tower meeting and the recently revealed meeting prior to it. The prosecution wants Manafort to flip. Trump has been frantically waving semaphore flags for Manafort not to talk.

Btw, The Mueller team is asking that Papadopoulos be given 6 months jail time for lying to the FBI and impeding the investigation. Interesting read.

The story has been buried by all the ridiculous things happening with Omarosa, etc, but it should have received a lot more attention.

And yes, Brennan can speak without a security clearance. Nevertheless, losing it could intimidate him and others in the IC. Over 70 IC professionals have signed the letter supporting Brennan and condemning Trump.

Gee. What a coincidence. All the people & institutions involved in the investigation of Russian interference in 2016 & Trump campaign cooperation keep coming under attack by Trump- the IC, the free press, the courts. Why, it’s almost as if Trump had something to hide.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2018 1:11 PM
Comment #430323

phx8, All that BS that Manafort did was years before he was campaign manager and Papadopoulos lying to the FBI is his problem not Trump’s. You, phx8 are grasping at straws hoping to find the needle in the hay stack. Like I said about the Brennan thing and by the way that dumb a$$ voted for a communist back in 1972 and by the way he has been know to practice the Muslim faith, has no need for a security clearance being a talking head for the liberal media of MSNBC and CNN. Like I said security clearances should be striped when leaving government service. They have no need for them in civilian life.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 18, 2018 1:26 PM
Comment #430326

“… All that BS that Manafort did was years before he was campaign manager…”

No. That is simply wrong. In January 2017 took a $7 million loan on a NYC property he purchases four years earlier for $3 million. He did the loan through a small Chicago bank, lied on his loan forms, and promised the owner of the bank, Stephen Calk, a position in the Trump administration, such as Secretary of the Army. Calk actually called Army headquarters because he thought he needed briefings in order to be up to speed as soon as he started.

“… Papadopoulos lying to the FBI is his problem not Trump’s.”

Except that Papadopoulos lied about the date the Trump campaign began working with the Russians. I think he poses a very big problem for Trump.

No matter how much you deny it, the fact is, Trump was the head of the Trump campaign, and those were his people. It was a small campaign staff, and they were there with his approval. He owns it. He is responsible.

“… and by the way he has been know to practice the Muslim faith…”

Prove it. You won’t because you can’t. There is NO evidence for that. And by the way, being a Muslim is not a bar to holding any government office. Never has been. Never will be.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2018 2:29 PM
Comment #430327

“How can you guys be so uninformed? Who is misleading you?”

Why would phx8 continue to claim links between the charges against Manafort and the Trump campaign? I challenge him to find those legal charges or simply shut down these continuing lies.

More nonsense from phx8…

security clearances equal freedom of speech

Facts please. Does phx8 claim that freedom of speech includes publicizing knowledge gained from a security clearance?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 18, 2018 2:50 PM
Comment #430328

phx8, maybe being a Muslim shouldn’t raise flags but voting for a communist in 1972 should. A simple google search shows he dabbled in the Muslim religion, phx8. Please explain how Manafort getting a loan and lying on the loan forms and making a promise that was never carried out apply to Russian collusion and Trump. Papadopoulos may have lied about talking to a professor while drinking heavily about the Russians having dirt on Hilda beast and Trumps son meeting with a Russian lawyer that was a plant and proved to be a dud is NOT working with the Russians. You are grasping at straws phx8, after more then a year and a half there is NOTHING connecting Russia with Trump. There is more proof that Hillary colluded with them then there is with Trump.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 18, 2018 3:01 PM
Comment #430329

“treasonous” president is “wholly in the pocket of Putin” and has “exceed[ed] the threshold of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’”

Does this sound like anything a current CIA member would say or write phx8? CIA rules state that retired CIA members holding a security clearance must act the same as current members. Is he revealing knowledge gained from his security clearance? If so, that is a violation. If not, he is just lying, or passing off bullshit as legitimate using his security clearance for believably.

In 2015, over 50 intelligence analysts complained that their reports on ISIS and al-Qaeda were being altered by senior officials in order to support misleading Obama-administration storylines.

The New York Times reported, CIA officials were involved in spying on the Senate Intelligence committee staff. An inspector-general probe established that the hacking had, in fact, occurred.

One would have to be a complete dunce to not see Brennan’s hand in these abuses by the CIA.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 18, 2018 3:15 PM
Comment #430331

Careful, KAP. Your Google search is tailored to provide you with the results you are most likely to want, based on your search history. Apparently your search is directing you to conspiracy sites. When RF & kctim do searches, at least once their top result has been an article from the Russian propaganda outlet, Russia Today, which they then used to attack Obama’s policy in Russia. RF even linked it.

No one is accusing Brennan of revealing classified information.

There was an investigation, as reported by the NYT. By the way, the analysts were with the DIA, and the reports were allegedly manipulated by CentCom, not Brennan or the CIA. If there was any proof to this allegation it was never made public.

Incidentally, the whole withdrawal of Brennan’s clearance was clearly intended to be a distraction. It was decided on July 26th, but released now because things are going so badly with Omarosa Newman.

She should never have been allowed into the White House. Trump was desperate for a black person, and she was one of the very few willing to work there. (Currently there are no blacks in the West Wing). Omarosa is a proven liar. She supposedly has over 200 tapes and even videos, so as horrible as it is, she is not likely to away anytime soon. Omarosa is vile, tawdry, and vindictive, and she lies a lot, just like Trump. But incredibly, she has tapes. Meanwhile, we see every day examples of just how mentally and temperamentally unfit Trump is for the presidency.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2018 4:45 PM
Comment #430332

“When RF & kctim do searches, at least once their top result has been an article from the Russian propaganda outlet, Russia Today, which they then used to attack Obama’s policy in Russia. RF even linked it.”

That’s correct phx8. I challenged you to find the quotes in the article to be false. We never heard back. We really don’t care that most of your links come from liberal political locations. As long as they are accurate, who cares about the source.

“Trump was desperate for a black person, and she was one of the very few willing to work there.”

Prove it bigshot.

I could easily write that Obama had difficulty finding intelligent and honest people to work in his administration.

I couldn’t prove that either.

We see every day evidence of public approval of President Trump’s economic policy. Despite the pronouncements from many on the Left, including Obama, this president has brought back manufacturing jobs to our soil. He has produced policies resulting in black and Hispanic unemployment being at historic lows.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 18, 2018 5:17 PM
Comment #430333

No phx8 my google search didn’t lead me to sites that I want and not conspiracy sites. The sites I found showed that he might be but is unproven that he is. He was Bureau Chief in Saudi Arabia where he MIGHT have converted to Wahabi Muslim. We may never know if he is or not unless he slips up. As far as Omarosa is concerned I think the W. H. is looking at legal action against her and using the Democrat play book of DISTRACTION.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 18, 2018 5:17 PM
Comment #430334

“No one is accusing Brennan of revealing classified information.”

I am phx8.

Brennan wrote; “treasonous” president is “wholly in the pocket of Putin” and has “exceed[ed] the threshold of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’”

How could he know this phx8, if not for his clearance?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 18, 2018 5:23 PM
Comment #430336

Is Brennan a secret Muslim?

“He was Bureau Chief in Saudi Arabia where he MIGHT have converted to Wahabi Muslim. We may never know if he is or not unless he slips up.”

You have got to be kidding! Why would you even entertain something so far fetched?

Is the WH looking at legal action against Omarosa? Good luck. NDAs for government employees are unlikely to hold up in a court of law. All Omarosa has to do is claim whistleblower status and no one can touch her.

If, due to his security clearance, Brennan knows for a fact that Trump is a traitor and wholly in the pocket of Putin, it seems to me that is a LOT bigger problem than Brennan revealing classified information.

Brennan says he uses publicly available information. Remember, the Dossier is public, and so is the IC report produced in January 2017. Trump is treason. It is glaringly obvious.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2018 5:43 PM
Comment #430337

Phx8 why would I entertain a far fetched idea? The same question can be asked of you and your wild accusations. As far as legal action against Omarosa goes recording conversations in the situation room is kinda ILLEGAL. In fact I think recording anything in the W. H. Is Illegal.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 18, 2018 6:01 PM
Comment #430338

Brennan took the Steel Dossier to Harry Reid so Reid could leak it out to the public so we would know there are ‘russians’ in the Trump campaign.

Brennan would have, had to, run this FISA thing thru the WH before going to Reid with it.

Any investigation henceforth has to start with Obama.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 18, 2018 6:09 PM
Comment #430339

And, please, don’t anybody come here on WB and say that Brennan didn’t know the Steel Dossier was a bunch of lies. Give the CIA man SOME credit, please .. .

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 18, 2018 6:14 PM
Comment #430340

The Steele Dossier went to the FBI because it was a counterintelligence matter, not the CIA. There were repeated warnings by the Obama administration about the interference of the Russians in the campaign, but the Dossier was not made public until after the election, when David Corn published it in Buzzfeed.

Steele briefed the major MSM outlets on the Dossier, but none would run the story because they could not confirm it. The Dossier was raw, unconfirmed intelligence.

Since then, some of it has been corroborated, especially with regard to Carter Page. Some remains unproven. None has been disproven. Steele estimates the majority of the Dossier is accurate.

Here is the letter from Harry Reid to James Comey, Director of the FBI, dated August 27 2016. Note the end of the letter. Reid is referring to Carter Page, who met with the Russians as described in this letter and in the Dossier.

It is ironic that the Obama administration and the IC have been criticized for not doing enough about Russian interference, and also criticized for talking about it before the election.

Incidentally, no one has heard from Michael Cohen in a while. He almost certainly flipped. Cohen, along with Manafort and Page, appears prominently in the Steele Dossier.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2018 11:02 PM
Comment #430352

No President should tolerate such behavior from ex=gov’t emps. username

Posted by: Henry at August 19, 2018 9:18 PM
Comment #430353

Oh Brother how far have we as a country fallen down the rabbit hole of Faux news and propaganda. The crux of the conservative argument is based upon the misinformation of Sean Hannity and his ilk and it has worked to convince our conservative /populist centrist friends that something is going on. Yet as we can see it is all based upon lies. Own it b**ches, face up to facts from your own sources.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 19, 2018 9:51 PM
Comment #430354

The country is falling and falling and it has yet to hit bottom. The followers of Hannity and Limbaugh and FOX keep moving the goal posts further and further back. One conspiracy theory after another falls by the way side, only to be replaced by an even more unlikely one. Trump lies constantly. Constantly. Conservatives keep waiting for Hillary to be jailed, Obama to be jailed, the IG report, the Memo, one ridiculous thing after another, and no matter how many times they draw a blank, they come right back with the next absurd story.

It is worth remember Bush ended his presidency with a 25% approval rating. We invaded Iraq on false premises, the economy crashed- worst in our lifetimes- and 25% thought, ‘hey, that was a job well done!’ Same with Nixon. No matter how appalling, no matter how… Shall I say it?… deplorable… this tribal separatism keeps them approving of and even supporting absolutely horrendous performances. There is literally no lie, no whopper that they will not swallow.

Posted by: phx8 at August 19, 2018 10:32 PM
Comment #430356

Phx8 Conservatives in general are rather thin skinned when it comes to their ox being gored. Despite all the tough talk about political correctness they get butt hurt easy when it is them on the receiving end.

Since Trump was elected they have been on the receiving end. With good reason I might add. They are fighting back now with nonsense like we see in this thread. Their massive propaganda machine can spew out anything, as you have noted, and they will shout it out as if it were the truth. But for them it works as it takes the focus off of Trump and his drama queen lies.

I don’t know where rock bottom is for them but for me it has to be KAP’s “No phx8 my google search didn’t lead me to sites that I want and not conspiracy sites. The sites I found showed that he might be but is unproven that he is. He was Bureau Chief in Saudi Arabia where he MIGHT have converted to Wahabi Muslim.” line. A true Goebbels moment.

Meanwhile Kushner has a secret clearance after repeatedly lying while going through the vetting process. The people of Germany of the 1920’s and 30’s would be proud of our conservative/populist centrist friends as they march in lockstep spouting all these lies in defense of Der fuehrer.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 19, 2018 11:10 PM
Comment #430359

J2, I don’t dispute the fact that Brennan being a Muslim is unproven. But in 2010 he gave a speech about the beauty of the Islamic faith. Now that is not concrete evidence he converted, but it does make you wonder. As far as when I Google something I get sites that show both liberal view point and conservative views points. It could be that your’s Nd phx8 computers are stuck on stupid that they only give you one sided opinions.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 20, 2018 1:19 AM
Comment #430370

Must share:

To all the people who let this election break up families and friends let this sink in I think the last civil conversations we had occurred just days before November 8, 2016. You were supremely confident Hillary Clinton would win the presidential election; you voted for her with glee. As a lifelong Republican, I bit down hard and cast my vote for Donald Trump. Then the unimaginable happened. He won.
And you lost your freaking minds.

I knew you would take the loss hard—and personally—since all of you were super jacked-up to elect the first woman president. But I did not imagine you would become totally deranged, attacking anyone who voted for Trump or supported his presidency as a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic Nazi-sympathizer.

The weirdness started on social media late on Election Night, as it became clear Hillary was going to lose. A few of you actually admitted that you were cradling your sleeping children, weeping, wondering what to tell your kindergartner the next morning about Trump’s victory. It continued over the next several days. Some of you seriously expressed fear about modern-day concentration camps. Despite living a privileged lifestyle, you were suddenly a casualty of the white patriarchy. Your daughters were future victims; your sons were predators-in-waiting. You threatened to leave Facebook because you could no longer enjoy the family photos or vacation posts from people who, once friends, became Literal Hitlers to you on November 8 because they voted for Donald Trump.

I admit I was a little hurt at first. The attacks against us Trump voters were so personal and so vicious that I did not think it could be sustained. I thought maybe you would regain your sanity after some turkey and egg nog.

But you did not. You got worse. And I went from sad to angry to where I am today: Amused.
As the whole charade you have been suckered into over the last 18 months starts to fall apart—that Trump would not survive his presidency; he would be betrayed by his own staff, family, and/or political party; he would destroy the Republican Party; he would be declared mentally ill and removed from office; he would be handcuffed and dragged out of the White House by Robert Mueller for “colluding” with Russia—let me remind you what complete fools you have made of yourselves. Not to mention how you’ve been fooled by the media, the Democratic Party, and your new heroes on the NeverTrump Right.

On November 9, you awoke from a self-induced, eight-year-long political coma to find that White House press secretaries shade the truth and top presidential advisors run political cover for their boss. You were shocked to discover that presidents exaggerate, even lie, on occasion. You became interested for the first time about the travel accommodations, office expenses, and lobbyist pals of administration officials. You started counting how many rounds of golf the president played. You suddenly thought it was fine to mock the first lady now that she wasn’t Michelle Obama. Once you removed your pussy hat after attending the Women’s March, you made fun of Kellyanne Conway’s hair, Sarah Sanders’ weight, Melania Trump’s shoes, Hope Hicks’ death stare; you helped fuel a rumor started by a bottom-feeding author that U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley slept with Donald Trump. You thought it was A-OK that Betsy DeVos was nearly physically assaulted and routinely heckled. You glorified a woman who has s@x on camera for a paycheck.

You have learned all kinds of new things that those of us who didn’t willfully ignore politics for the past eight years already knew. For example, we already knew that illegal immigrants were being deported and families were being separated.

Some of your behavior has been kinda cute. It was endearing to watch you become experts on the Logan Act, the Hatch Act, the Second Amendment, the 25th Amendment, and the Emoluments Clause. You developed a new crush on Mitt Romney after calling him a “sexist” for having “binders full of women.” You longed for a redux of the presidency of George W. Bush, a man you once wanted imprisoned for war crimes. Ditto for John McCain. You embraced people like Bill Kristol and David Frum without knowing anything about their histories of shotgunning the Iraq War.

Classified emails shared by Hillary Clinton? Who cares! Devin Nunes wanting to declassify crucial information of the public interest? Traitor!
But your newfound admiration and fealty to law enforcement really has been a fascinating transformation. Wasn’t it just last fall that I saw you loudly supporting professional athletes who were protesting police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem? Remember how you fanboyed a mediocre quarterback for wearing socks that depicted cops as pigs?

But now you sound like paid spokesmen for the Fraternal Order of Police. You insist that any legitimate criticism of the misconduct and possibile criminality that occured at the Justice Department and FBI is an “attack on law enforcement.” While you once opposed the Patriot Act because it might have allowed the federal government to spy on terrorists who were using the local library to learn how to make suitcase bombs, you now fully support the unchecked power of a secret court to look into the phone calls, text messages and emails of an American citizen because he volunteered for the Trump campaign for a few months.
Spying on terrorists, circa 2002: Bad. Spying on Carter Page, circa 2017: The highest form of patriotism.

And that white, male patriarchy that you were convinced would strip away basic rights and silence any opposition after Trump won? That fear has apparently been washed away as you hang on every word uttered by James Comey, John Brennan, and James Clapper. This triumvirate is exhibit “A” of the old-boy network, and represents how the insularity, arrogance, and cover-your-tracks mentality of the white-male power structure still prevails. Yet, instead of rising up against it, you are buying their books, retweeting their Twitter rants and blasting anyone who dares to question their testicular authority. Your pussy hat must be very sad.

But your daily meltdowns about Trump-Russia election collusion have been the most entertaining to observe. After Robert Mueller was appointed as Special Counsel, you were absolutely convinced it would result in Trump’s arrest and/or impeachment. Some of you insisted that Trump wouldn’t last beyond 2017. You quickly swallowed any chum tossed at you by the Trump-hating media on MSNBC, the New York Times and the Washington Post about who was going down next, or who would flip on the president.

For the past year, I have watched you obsess over a rotating cast of characters: Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner, Carter Page, Reince Priebus, Jeff Sessions, Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, Sam Nunberg, and Hope Hicks are just a few of the people you thought would turn on Trump or hasten his political demise. But when those fantasies didn’t come true, you turned to Michael Avenatti and Stormy Daniels for hope and inspiration. It will always be your low point.
Well, I think it will be. Each time I believe you’ve hit bottom, you come up with a new baseline. Perhaps defending the unprecedented use of federal power to spy on political foes then lie about it will the next nail in your credibility coffin.

The next several weeks will be tough for you. I think Americans will learn some very hard truths about what happened in the previous administration and how we purposely have been misled by powerful leaders and the news media. I wish I could see you as a victim here, but you are not. I know you are smart; you chose to support this insurgency with your eyes wide open.

Now, I shall sit back and enjoy your pain.

Posted by: dbs at August 20, 2018 6:42 AM
Comment #430376

“Apparently you are unaware this Manafort trial is only the first one.”

I mentioned that the trial is a bust because it has not advanced the supposed Trump/Russia collusion. From the witnesses all the way up to the judge, there has been nothing to support the narrative you are trying to push. Now, once again, it’s wait until what comes next.

Their search engine nonsense is just a way for them to avoid acknowledging facts.

Posted by: kctim at August 20, 2018 9:12 AM
Comment #430377

If Manafort hadn’t been involved in the trump campaign, he’d have never been indicted on those @ 10 year old crimes. Mueller has nothing on Trump, and is punishing Manafort for not playing his game. If this investigation dies so does the lefts hope that it will help them in November. Most people are done with it anyway.

All this information that has come to light regarding the backroom dealing by democrats in the justice department to destroy Trumps campaign, is now biting them in the a$$. Things they didn’t worry about because they were sure Hilary would win. They all may now face investigations, and prosecution. As they should.

Posted by: dbs at August 20, 2018 9:31 AM
Comment #430378

Thanks for the alternative facts. And remember, like Trump said, “what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what’s happening.” Truth isn’t truth.

You’ll leave the gaslight on for us.

Posted by: phx8 at August 20, 2018 11:59 AM
Comment #430379

What is truth phx8? Yours or the other sides? According to what side your on the truth you believe may not actually be truth.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 20, 2018 12:15 PM
Comment #430380

“This country is doing better than it’s ever done before, economically,” Trump said at the Veterans of Foreign Wars National Convention in Kansas City, Mo. “But it’s all working out. Just remember: What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

Trump also added in his speech that voters should “just stick with us.”

“Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news,” Trump said, repeating a favored attack of his while pointing to where members of the press were gathered.

Purposely omitting facts in order to alter perception.
And you accuse others of gaslighting?

Posted by: kctim at August 20, 2018 12:39 PM
Comment #430381

Many thanks to dbs for the well written, factual, and amusing account of our laughable Liberal Pals.

President Trump and his Republican House and Senate have enacted policies that are lifting the financial boats of all Americans.

I recall phx8 exalting the gloom and doom predicted by his financial guru, Nobel Economic Prize winner; Paul Krugman. He wrote, in the New York Times; “Now comes the mother of all adverse effects — and what it brings with it is a regime that will be ignorant of economic policy and hostile to any effort to make it work, so we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.”

Whenever I bring this up, our Pal phx8 responds that our great economy today is just an extension of what Obama put in place. Of course, our mentally challenged pal phx8 doesn’t understand that even his hero Paul Krugman never believed that. Just read his quote. Does that read like he expects any good to follow from Obama with Trump in charge?

The louder the swamp dwellers yell and scream and threaten, the more certain it is that President Trump is accomplishing his goals. As President Trump’s approval ratings have risen, we have seen a directly proportional growing hysteria from the Left.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 20, 2018 2:48 PM
Comment #430382

What facts did I omit? Even with the addition of the sentences before and after, it still provides a textbook example of gaslighting.

Dbs did NOT write that comment. It is being passed around various right wing sites.

You don’t think the Trade War will result in a global recession? Maybe not. Tariffs certainly contributed in a big way to the Great Depression. The Trump tariffs were instituted by the executive branch when he decreed they were needed as a matter of national security. They can be removed just as easily. That makes it difficult for anyone to make decisions based on them. Are they terrible for the economy? No doubt. Tariffs are essentially a tax on trade. They are terrible because tariffs always result in retaliation, and that is exactly what we have seen.

The economy is good. The problem is that Trump pretends he created this economy. He did not. He inherited it. It is nearly identical to the Obama economy in every way. Same trends, same employment numbers, and so on. For example, here is a chart of black unemployment:

The trend is the same. It has been steadily dropping since early in Obama’s first term.

Here is a chart of the non-farm payroll unemployment numbers. Same thing. Same trend:

Wages for the past 12 months have increased 2.7%. Inflation for the same period has increased 2.9%.
That means real wages have actually decreased over the past 12 months.

Consumer confidence has increased as a result of tribal separatism. The change came as a result of Republicans. They disapproved of the economy under Obama and expressed low confidence. They approve of the exact same economy under Trump, and approve.

As I have said before, there have been only two major changes under Trump: tax cuts and the Trade War.

Posted by: phx8 at August 20, 2018 3:38 PM
Comment #430383

“The economy is good. The problem is that Trump pretends he created this economy. He did not. He inherited it.”

It is difficult to believe that phx8 is that insulated from reality. I reminded him that even his financial hero Klugman didn’t believe this nonsense; but it just escapes his attention. But then, who cares; phx8 always follows his own magic imagination. phx8 was predicting economic collapse also despite his claims now, that the Trump economy is merely an extension of Obama.

phx8 has a “memory of convenience”.

phx8 is already projecting his own gloom and doom over tariffs. He reads nothing but political pap. So, what else are we to expect! I suppose when China comes to heel, phx8 will also credit Obama.

phx8 saved the best for last, and it is a real “doozy”.

“Consumer confidence has increased as a result of tribal separatism.”

How about this one phx8. “Democrats lose big in November as aliens and prisoners don’t bother to vote.”

Is that from Marx, Goebbels, or his favorite stripper; Stormy Daniels?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 20, 2018 4:01 PM
Comment #430384

Phx8, you left out the parts that put the statement in proper context. Instead of including it, you intentionally omitted it in hopes of manipulating people into falsely believing that Orwell’s 1984 has come true. It has not.

Why is it that the left and its media refuse to debate policy? It’s almost like you’re afraid that the majority of people don’t support your positions on things like illegal aliens, terrorism, ‘free’ college, ‘free’ health care, higher taxes, gun control, free speech, privacy, religion etc…

Posted by: kctim at August 20, 2018 4:19 PM
Comment #430387

More evidence of the public approval of President Trump and Republican congress. The good news just keeps rolling in.

The RNC now has five times as much cash in the bank than the DNC, and no debt. The DNC has over $6 million in debt.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 20, 2018 4:59 PM
Comment #430390

So how did Stormy Daniels become any ones favorite stripper except for Donald Trump…well until she decided to admit she helped Trump commit adultery? Who even knew of her until then?

J2, I don’t dispute the fact that Brennan being a Muslim is unproven. But in 2010 he gave a speech about the beauty of the Islamic faith

Unfortunately KAP it isn’t about you not disputing this nonsensical claim. It is the sad way you have left your integrity behind as you spew this BS to cover for the fact Trump is going after Brennan because Brennan spoke out about Trump. You have let your hate and anger overcome your ability to reason as you continue down the rabbit hole.

Trump has attacked the press on many occasions with lies and false claims and you now tell us about the different “truths” you know of as if these multiple choice truths are real. Just like the people of Germany in the 20’s and 30’s you buy into these feeble lies of Trump and conservative propagandist.

I know you can’t see Trump is in the process of a coup attempt by cleaning out anyone loyal to America instead of loyal to Trump but one day you will. To put it into terms you can comprehend just think of your reaction if Obama would have done the same thing back in 2008. Then a real man with even an ounce of integrity would apologize for the foolish Brennan accusations you posted in this thread, as well as your multiple choice truths propaganda you seem to think has merit.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 20, 2018 8:46 PM
Comment #430391

J2, how is it nonsensical j2? How do you know what that man does behind closed doors? Heck for that matter you may secretly be a Muslim. From the crap I’ve seen from you and phx8 nonsensical is the norm. If you want to see idiocy and NAZI tactics look to California and what liberalism is doing there.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 20, 2018 9:38 PM
Comment #430392

Oh please KAP stop with the BS. You have allowed yourself to be deceived by Trump and his propagandist. Think about your credibility for a second.

So what exactly is liberalism” doing to California?

When you consider what Conservatism is doing to America it doesn’t seem so bad KAP.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 20, 2018 10:22 PM
Comment #430393

J2, Do you really believe that BULLS××T from that rag? California is debt up to it’s ears. If you like government running your life move there. Heck you could even take a crap in the middle of the sidewalk, live in a tent. At least with conservatism we have the decency to use a restroom when we need to take a dump. If they have so much money j2 why is the homeless situation out of hand there? How about Chicago j2 with the shootings another nice liberal run place, Detroit to. Think about your credibility j2, I would say it’s lower then Whale crap right about now.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 20, 2018 10:44 PM
Comment #430394

Kap, really! You want deep in debt look at conservatism in America.

How sad you have sunk so low KAP. Throwing in red herrings to defend your false statement! I guess you really believe no one takes a crap on the sidewalk in conservative areas of the country. Yep thats called cognitive dissonance.

Do you really believe that BULLS××T from that rag? California is debt up to it’s ears.

Hahaha KAP you didn’t see it on Hannity so in your mind it can’t be true! No wonder you are so easily led by the propagandist.

Such a cheap shot at my integrity when it is you that would slander Brennan for political gain.

How about this rag then KAP.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 20, 2018 11:14 PM
Comment #430396

J2, California is as was put out in 2015 1.3 Trillion in debt but according to one economist more like 2.3 Trillion. The budget surplus old moonbeam says he has is probably BULLS××T. Even Obama ran budget surpluses but still ran us 10 Trillion more in debt. That is twice what Bush did in the same time j2. Slander Brennan? Your integrity? You j2 are the master of cheep shots on W.B. As far as Brennan is concerned even Clapped and The former joint chiefs chair said Brennan is flapping his gums to much. Like I said j2 your credibility and integrity are about lower then Whale crap right now.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 20, 2018 11:47 PM
Comment #430421

“The economy is good. The problem is that Trump pretends he created this economy. He did not. He inherited it.”

Uuuuuh.. No. Trump inherited an economy with anemic growth because of the Obama era regulations and policies. It wasn’t until Trump took office and began rolling back all these asinine rules and regulations that the economy really started to grow. Economic growth was stagnant until Trump took over. I recall Obama saying that the low growth numbers were going to be the norm, and we needed to just accept that. Thank god he’s gone.

Posted by: dbs at August 21, 2018 6:34 AM
Comment #430430

One more observation on the Brennen discussion.

Having a security clearance means that one has their freedom of speech limited to speak only with those who hold at least the same clearance.

And yet, this fool claims the constitution defends his right to spill national secrets to anyone as a “right”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 21, 2018 3:26 PM
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