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I am very proud to have manned the ramparts surrounding conservatism on WatchBlog. I've grown so much. I've learned so much in my years here at WatchBlog.

My latest gambit to make conservatism acceptable in my real life came with my gay brother's invitation to lunch with his boyfriend.

We talked about Steven Crowder and his, "I'm this, change my mind." youtube videos. He had not heard of them but he was open to suggestion. He decided on his own to look into Stephen Crowder's youtube videos. I think he will find him funny, as I did, but also informative.

My brother's boyfriend made a good pro-gay marriage argument. I tried to say I was sympathetic to his position while trying to stick up for my conservative position. I was confronted with the media version of conservatism and I refused to be tagged with that.

I am not a Republican. I am conservative. Those are two different animals. I had to get past my brother-in-law's misconception they are the same. I did it by stating my own opinion and making them respect it. I also did it in public, while at lunch, without throwing any food.

None of us built barricades or threw stones. We simply talked, and ate food. That is a good thing.

WatchBlog, by it's own design, is divided! We come here divided with respect for boundaries and an open mind. I want my opinion to be one of many and I want it to be published. That is..

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Posted by Weary_Willie at July 30, 2018 12:39 AM
Comment #429616

Thank you for sharing (and publishing) this, Willie.

Posted by: Liz at July 30, 2018 12:38 PM
Comment #429617

Independent Populist here, WW, with conservative leanings, fair trade vs free trade, etc.

I came to WB back when d.a.n was pushing Article V and when David Remer was ‘the great debater’ for the dem’s.

Here is a para from his last post, in 2014, on “”Democrats thought that their Obama machine, which identifies and targets voters down to the block and street address was all they needed to move voters to the polls. They forgot to give their voters a meaningful reason to go vote. The word meaningful here, refers to meaningful to the voters. They offered the democratic leadership’s reasons to vote, but, not the reason that would have motivated voters for voters own self-interest, the ECONOMY. “”

He further writes that he wonders if the dems will have recovered by 2016. Now we know that the dems have gone so far to the left and still giving their voters zilch to vote for, that they won’t win in 2020 either.

David believes that term limits and a balanced budget amendment are the worst policy ideas ever. I support Article V part II mainly because the Founder’s put it in the Constitution. As it is now, the people’s voice is pushed thru a super narrow filter from elected officials to committee heads in congress/senate. Nothing makes it thru the filter without the approval of the ‘swamp’ establishment/msm et al.

We know the 2016 election was a referendum election as to right or left. The shift was to the right and thank God for that. But, those who lost, half the GOP congress/senate, establishment/msms/dims, are determined to get a do-over.
Impeach 45.

Luckily, we have a President who is as close to being an Independent/populist as we will likely ever get under the two party system. I am hopeful that after Trump’s 2nd term we will get a strong Independent/populist who will be able to create an Independent party and push for Article V implementation.

Meanwhile, I am fair thee well excited about the remainder of Trump’s six years. In two short years we have gone from flat line to bigtime defense buildup, new space dept, reduced trade deficit by $52B this quarter, LNG ships and pipelines planned for Europe, fair trade coming, and much more …

Read this morning that all Navy planes, after the F-35, will be unmanned. The Navy is converting every ship possible, down to frigates, to support unmanned planes. There was a recent successful test of a unmanned plane taking off from a submerged submarine.

The U.S. is back and we are here in the middle column to get the word out …

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 30, 2018 2:14 PM
Comment #429618

Interesting reading Weary and Roy. Many thanks.

I too am a conservative. At one time, I was a registered Republican who occasionally voted for a democrat. I would still vote for a Democrat, if I could find one who expresses my values.

It seems to me that neither party has bed-rock values any more. They are mostly “squishy” and “feel good” life-time politicians and actors.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2018 4:05 PM
Comment #429619

I believe people connected to their party feel entitled. I think they believe they are the only people qualified to hold the positions they do. Trump upset that apple cart and the howling and crying is a reaction to that. Hopefully, when they get another trouncing in the upcoming midterms, they will begin to realize they are on the short end of the stick and perhaps they will give themselves a time out.

We can only hope. Perhaps Trump’s economy will sweep them up and out of their doldrums. When they realize this is a rising tide to lift all ships, they’ll jump on and go for the ride.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 30, 2018 6:42 PM
Comment #429637

WW, your post doesn’t express the gravity of the political situation. Lemme try …

It took some 20 years for the globalists (half the GOP House/Senate, MSM, dims, and corpocracy) to put globalism in place.

When people didn’t want the North American Union it was put in place, piecemeal, to give us open borders, unfettered immigration and so on …

Under Regan, when people demanded immigration reform the GOP/dims voted for amnesty and refused to build a wall. Just yesterday Mitch McConnell said there would be no funds for a wall in the upcoming budget.

Had Trump, something of an independent populist, not come along where would we be? Hillary would have won and the GOP would have been quite happy with her as she is a strong supporter of globalism, open borders, unconstrained immigration and so on …

So happy the GOP would have said nothing about her loss of classified information on her illegal servers.

Now, Trump is an instrument of change. Change his supporters have wanted and been denied for 20 years. An example would be the Koch Bro’s, a republican pair who own some 50 companies overseas with 120k overseas employees. Most major companies are in the same situation. They are spending ions of dollars fighting Trump 24/7. They are funding what we see on the MSM 24/7, talking heads railing against every word Trump utters or tweets.

The globalist will remain strong enough thru this next budget cycle to prevent funding for a wall. But, as they come up for election over the next 4 years they will be slowly but surely replaced by Trump supporters, tea party patriots and the like.

Knowing this, they are determined to ‘impeach 45’. They’ve got to take him down as soon as possible in any way possible.

They came so close. If Hillary had won this country would have been changed forever. Even today, they are trying their best to get illegals on the voting roles.

This is a deadly fight involving trillions of dollars. It will be a slow death what with events like Kevanaugh getting appointed to the SC and so on …

If they can’t stop Trump from winning a 2nd term globalism will be daid, IMO.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 31, 2018 12:32 PM
Comment #429641

That was my point. I think they can’t stop it. If the Republicans get a super majority in the senate and keep the house, it’s all over but the tantrums.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 31, 2018 2:17 PM
Comment #429643

It is difficult to imagine a mayor of a large American city ordering his police to ignore calls for help from anyone. As this attitude continues to spread, placing innocent people in peril, we wonder when someone will be seriously injured or killed. Such an event can not be spun to advantage by the Liberals and their media lackeys.

“Portland, Oregon, police refused to respond to at least two 911 emergency calls from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) employees inside their offices where violent protesters held week-long demonstrations.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2018 3:56 PM
Comment #429644

Well that is all well and good Weary you gathering up the decency to talk to a gay relative, I suppose that is one of them baby steps that is at least positive. The problem of course is the other 50million or so conservatives in this country have built up so much hatred they aren’t able to do the same thing. I mean Royal questions the squishiness of your values for being decent to a gay guy. Roy can’t even talk about it.

The problem of course is the conservatives have swallowed so much propaganda they wouldn’t know truth if it hit them over the head.

Roy the Navy has been working on the auto pilot for years. So please don’t give Trump to much credit, because he was to busy cheating on his wives, cavorting with Russian prostitutes and oligarchs, bribing elected officials and bankrupting businesses to be involved in this project at any level.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 31, 2018 3:59 PM
Comment #429645

My Liberal Jerky Pal j2t2 claims…”I mean Royal questions the squishiness of your values for being decent to a gay guy.”

Prove I wrote such nonsense Pal.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2018 4:09 PM
Comment #429646

j2, I mistakenly wrote something about a unmanned plane taking off from a submerged sub. To clarify, should have wrote that ‘a unmanned underwater vehicle’ was launched from a sub.

And, yeah, it seems the Navy and other services have developed mind boggling military related system to ensure we win the war. That article was quite enlightening.

And, we do know President Trump has put the bucks out there to ensure this kind of development continues.

Makes one feel very comfortable in their skin knowing that no country will ever try to take us on militarily.

Go up to the above thread and give a suggestion or two on how to deal with NK should they try to back out on denuking.

Otherwise, the President has just got his 3rd appointee approved for the Ga. 11th circuit court. He is, quite rapidly, layering his administration over the old Obama regime.

All over but the shoutin, IMO.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 31, 2018 4:23 PM
Comment #429648

This is, again, Trump Derangement Syndrome rearing it’s head.

I’d like to know where j2t2 got the idea I don’t talk to gay people, my brother or otherwise. Is that in your head, j2t2, living alongside Trump?

Why don’t you get with the program, j2t2? Why so negative? How do you get up in the morning?

You’ve written one comment in this thread and it was hateful and condescending and negative. What makes you respond to us this way? We are having a pleasant conversation. My Mom always said, “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”. You’d be doing us all a favor if you took my wonderful mother’s advice, j2t2.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 31, 2018 6:05 PM
Comment #429649

Weary asks j2t2 a good question. “How do you get up in the morning?”

My guess Weary, is that that they not only go to bed angry, but get up angry in the morning. It seems that nearly everything, and anything, pisses them off. Some of them resort to rage in written form…some verbally assault anyone who will stand still long enough to listen; and the very lowest of them resort to violence in the public square.

We have recently witnessed some of these “freaks” accosting peaceful folks minding their own business in restaurants. The chump reporter from CNN, assigned to the White House, is simply an embarrassment who is attempting to be the story, rather than report the story.

Hang onto your guns friends, we may need them soon as the Liberal anger erupts into wide spread violence.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2018 6:21 PM
Comment #429650

So Roy when you say globalist are you using it in the Trump way? I mean the NAU is a conspiracy theory not anything actually happening today.

Once again Weary it is the Deranged Trump Syndrome that causes the exaggeration and false claims from conservatives such as yourself and Royal when someone makes a comment they don’t like.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 31, 2018 6:27 PM
Comment #429651

j2, if you fail to recognize the NAU in our culture and gov’t then I could never convince you of anything NAU related.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 31, 2018 7:29 PM
Comment #429653

What exaggerations and false claims are you talking about, j2t2. You’ll have to be specific. Don’t just say it’s my job to know what your grievances are.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 31, 2018 8:33 PM
Comment #429691

Oh please Roy such a deceptive answer. Other than Trump appointee Rick Perry who else in the government wanted the NAU to become a reality? I mean you can’t even define what you mean by the term globalist, or more specifically you and Trump. Are you using the term globalist to mean a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world like Trump and the far right uses the term?

It seems Trump has called the conservatives bankers, the Koch Bros, globalist, do you and your fellow conservatives agree with this?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 7:44 PM
Comment #429692

Perhaps Roy this link will clear up your vagueness on who and what are to be considered globalist Roy, you guys have confused the issue considering you reference the NAU as if it were real today.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 9:02 PM
Comment #429693

So Roy if you are against “globalist” that seems to leave Nationalist which I would guess is another word for populist today. Am I right?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 9:07 PM
Comment #429694

Hey while we are dealing with far right conspiracy theories like the NAU lets talk about the fuel that fans the Trump fire in so many of you far right guys, How many Qanon believers do we have here on WB?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 9:41 PM
Comment #429696

How did we get so dumbed down that Q is believed in this country

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 10:05 PM
Comment #429697

Why should we answer any of your questions, j2t2? You answer none of ours. We should ignore you. We really should.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 1, 2018 10:16 PM
Comment #429698

Yep the more I see of our far right friends and the more I think about it I think they may be right. Their calls for civil war, their anger and hatred, their denial and their inability to think and reason without Russian trolls, myths misinformation half truths and outright lies has been very divisive to our country.

I think they should go for it, start the civil war conservatives, or populist, it is the right time to do so. Please march on DC with loaded weapons and get the problem solved. Go after the ” elites, globalists and deep-state saboteurs”. Root out the Illuminati and get to the crust of pizzagate. Track Rothchilds satanic cultist down and make Ted Cruz’s father pay for killing JFK. Please hurry, find Obama Hilary and Soros before they get their coup off the ground and before it is your kid they are selling.

Or shut the f**k up and stop being led around like sheeple braying at every false story trolls and propagandist came dream up.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 10:39 PM
Comment #429699

Weary I’m very busy right now and don’t have the time to respond to all the foolishness you guys throw out, maybe this winter I will have the time to deal with the nonsensical questions like “How do you get up in the morning” but not right now.

But hey there is your excuse to not respond to real issues.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 1, 2018 10:47 PM
Comment #429719

Good, because we could use the break from your sarcastic trash that fills your comments. Maybe if you took a long vacation you could come back with a different outlook. You could gain some real world perspective and somehow realize all your faux outrage is in your head.

Have a good time, j2t2. You need it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 2, 2018 9:28 AM
Comment #429723

Hmmm…perhaps j2t2 could join two more Liberals who are not missed by their recent leaving.

Naw…I don’t want j2t2, or anyone else to leave WB. Frankly, it is important to read their comments as it tells us much about their failed ideas and political philosophy.

We read their outrage over our Founders and the Constitution and their condoning of violence if directed against Conservatives and Christians. Such beliefs as theirs need to remain in the open so we can battle their ideas and actions with truth.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2018 2:44 PM
Comment #429724

Weary you ask that I be positive when it comes to Trump but when the shoe was on the other foot were you positive or were you sarcastically calling Obama a Muslim, and a Radical Christian while claiming he wasn’t born in this country and was a far left terrorist? The hypocrisy, Weary, the hypocrisy is laughable. Tell you what when you criticize Royal for doing exactly what you claim I am doing these past years then we can talk.

Anyway IMHO many of us leftist commies were on vacation for to long while the conservative movement spread lies and used their victories in politics to gerrymander and suppress the vote in this country. Now we are stuck with a repub controlled country, as we have been for much of the last 30 years. Yet you blame the liberals and the dems for all that is wrong with the country. So I think I will take a pass on the vacation. Cause it isn’t my outlook that is the problem it is Trump and the repubs in Congress that are the problem.

You get upset when we call out the lies of Trump and his administration, when we point out the corruption of his administration and when we protest Trumps base, the white nationalist, the KKK and the neo-Nazis, but it is the right thing to do. Get use to it.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 2, 2018 2:46 PM
Comment #429726

We all recall when the Liberal/Socialist agenda was hidden from the view of the American electorate. Not long ago, a declared Socialist had little to no chance of winning an election. I expect soon that we will have declared Communists running for election in some deep blue state.

Not long ago we were told that gay people merely wanted the same rights and privileges as hetrose*uals. Today, we have gay folks bring lawsuits against merchants who honor their religious beliefs. And, we have Liberals supporting gender confused boys to shower and dress with girls.

We all know the lesson of the camel and the tent. Some of us have forgotten. We need to spread the word loud and clear if we wish to continue to enjoy our Democratic Republic with our Constitution unchanged and intact.

With the election of President Trump, a right-leaning Supreme Court, and activist Conservatives gaining more seats in both the House and Senate; we are slowly beating back those who support; by design or ignorance, the rise of government tyranny and growth of socialism.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2018 2:56 PM
Comment #429727

“…Trumps base, the white nationalist, the KKK and the neo-Nazis,…”

Once again I challenge j2t2 to prove that nearly half of our nations electorate identify with those groups.

Put up or shut up time Pal.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2018 3:02 PM
Comment #429729

The problem isn’t calling out lies or pointing out corruption, it’s dishonestly taking things out of context for political gain.

The problem isn’t protesting actual racism, it’s dishonestly labeling everybody who disagree’s with leftist beliefs as white nationalists, the KKK, and neo-nazis. Especially when you have no factual evidence to prove your claims.

The problem J2, is that you all cannot accept the rejection of leftist policy and you are willing to tear the country apart to get what you want.
None of this crap happened under Obama. Democrats weren’t physically attacked daily for voting for Obama. Democrats weren’t physically attacked for wearing Obama gear. Democrats weren’t physically attacked for their speech. Democrats weren’t physically attacked for what they believe. Property wasn’t destroyed because the right was mad about Obama winning.

But you guys go ahead and keep normalizing your leftist fringe. Keep targeting normal everyday Americans like you have been doing. Keep believing that calling them privileged racist murderers is ‘the right thing to do.’ Because it’s not going to be long before normal everyday Americans have enough and start treating you the same way you have been treating them.

Posted by: kctim at August 2, 2018 3:26 PM
Comment #429730

The only time I hear about Nazis now is from j2t2.

They’re calling a chant hate. They just can’t take criticism.

I also think the voter suppression j2t2 claims to be rampant is simply the Democratics walking away from the Democratic party. They don’t have the numbers they think they have and blame suppression. They can’t admit they were only 40% of the electorate and they’re much less now. They never had the majority their illusion projected.

The sooner Democratics admit to themselves that Obama and Hillbilly destroyed the Democratic party, the sooner they could get back to being Americans again.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 2, 2018 3:27 PM
Comment #429731

I read a headline this morning in Drudge that Hispanics are now polling an additional 10% in favor of Republicans and President Trump. It seems they like having jobs and more money in their paychecks. And, they are not buying into the crappy nonsense Liberals are peddling about illegal immigrants and their children.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2018 3:32 PM
Comment #429732

You just can’t fix stupid. Seize the land from those who know how to grow food.

South Africa facing ‘mass STARVATION and RIOTS’ after white people’s land seized

THERE will be huge food shortages and riots on the streets following plans to seize white South African farmers’ land, it has been warned.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2018 3:45 PM
Comment #429741

Obama thinks that will be ‘inspiring’.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 2, 2018 9:04 PM
Comment #429762
The problem isn’t calling out lies or pointing out corruption, it’s dishonestly taking things out of context for political gain.

I would say both of the above Kctim. You guys are certainly guilty of taking things out of context. Of course now that Trump is president anything you say about lies can and will be held against you, and deservedly so. Not that your team were slouches in the past but Trump does bring it to a new level.

In fact if I didn’t have to call you guys out on myths misinformation half truths and outright lies so often I would have time to respond to the silly questions that have Weary all butt hurt.

The problem isn’t protesting actual racism, it’s dishonestly labeling everybody who disagree’s with leftist beliefs as white nationalists, the KKK, and neo-nazis. Especially when you have no factual evidence to prove your claims.

Good examples of twisting what was said kctim. Trump has energized the white nationalist, neo-Nazis and KKK along with so many other fringe groups and other Trump supporters such as yourself rush to their defense with nonsensical blurbs such as ..well they make up only a tiny fraction of the people and such.

The problem J2, is that you all cannot accept the rejection of leftist policy and you are willing to tear the country apart to get what you want.

Lets put things into perspective kctim. It isn’t a rejection of leftist policy that won Trump the election. It was the conservative propaganda and Russian trolls that had people thinking of stuff like Pizzagate and Seth Rich . Lets also remember Trump didn’t win the popular vote, so this comment of yours is just silly.

None of this crap happened under Obama. Democrats weren’t physically attacked daily for voting for Obama.

Daily! exaggerate much kctim? But yes attacks did happen to Obama voters and still do, they just didn’t make the conservative propaganda machine so you probably weren’t aware of them. What do you think the baker was doing when he denied service to people because of sexual orientation? And please the religious persecution line is the same they used when it was the blacks marching for civil rights and getting beat up for it.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2018 6:34 PM
Comment #429763

Oh BTW here is a this didn’t happen link because when it is the left you require proof when it is the right you suck it up without any need for proof.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2018 6:38 PM
Comment #429764

j2t2 is obviously ignorant of the connection between the Nazi solution to Jews, and the Democrats solution to black people.

“It was with the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935,” historian George Fredrickson writes, “that Germany became a full-fledged racist regime. American laws were the main precedents for such legislation.”

While Fredrickson—another progressive scholar—blames “American” laws for inspiring the Nuremberg legislation, what he means specifically is the Democratic Party’s Jim Crow laws. Let’s remember that every segregation law in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials. The Nuremberg team carefully studied these laws that were mainly aimed at blacks and used them to formulate their own racist legislation mainly aimed at Jews.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2018 6:53 PM
Comment #429765

Meanwhile Trump is attacking the 1st amendment on a daily basis and you guys waste our time with foolish questions.

Meanwhile Roy can’t tell us what a globalist is. Yet he rails against it. Same with his fair trade vs. free trade line.

While Trump has said his goal is zero tariffs or free trade Roy would have us believe he isn’t a globalist. Progressives have been promoting fair trade for years but they are globalist. Spun so tight they can’t even make sense of their own misinformation, conservatives want to know how I sleep at night instead!

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2018 6:54 PM
Comment #429766

Meanwhile those poor innocent not white nationalist, not fascist, not neo-Nazi victims of liberal outrage are…well not as innocent as kctim would have us believe.

Trumps base are the brownshirts make no mistake. They have been attacking members of the press because…Trump.

They have been coming into Portland spreading hate starting violence and being defended by conservatives here on WB.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2018 8:12 PM
Comment #429767

It is easy to see why our conservative friends here on WB are so easily misled, they have been taking a clowns word, a purely entertainment clowns word as real news, but it isn’t it is fake and it isn’t news. Why their own news even debunks the clowns many believe to be reporting the news. My god they even tell you it is for entertainment only.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2018 8:20 PM
Comment #429770

uh hut! He shur is funny! huhuhehehehe

Your God?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 4, 2018 12:39 AM
Comment #429771

Oh! It’s your god. Small, small letter g. golly, gosh.

Pardon moi!

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 4, 2018 12:43 AM
Comment #429789

“The liberty of the press is essential to the security of the state.”

— John Adams, second U.S. president

“If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter, which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of no use to us; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to the slaughter.”

— George Washington, first U.S. president

“Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.”

— Thomas Jefferson, U.S. Founding Father

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

— U.S. Constitution

On February 17, 2017, President Donald Trump said on Twitter, “The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!” Trump declared these news organizations “fake news” and an enemy of the people.

Zeig Heil my Trump supporting friends. Stay asleep. Bleat like Sheeple. Do your duty brownshirts defend Der Fuehrer at any cost to yourself including your integrity and credibility. Tell us all about your desire for more liberty and freedom while supporting someone who will take your freedom and liberty away.

Support Hannity and Trump and their lies while attacking the legitimate press.

Weary whatever you are on….can you share?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 4, 2018 9:24 AM
Comment #429790

Meanwhile as Trump makes a mockery of the truth His supporters are busy draining the swamp! Bleat bleat It’s the deep states fault Trump was kissing Putin a** in Helsinki. Bleat bleat they say the dem leadership is running a pedophile ring in DC. Look over there its those guys not Trump they bleat. Nothing they have said is true yet they believe it as if it were true.

But our conservative friends on WB refuse to address these Trump supporters and their outright lies. A case of Deranged Trump Syndrome if ever there was one. The problem I have, of course, is trying to figure out if you have to be a pathological liar to support a pathological liar like Trump? Or just a sheeple, a lying sheeple or a misinformed sheeple?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 4, 2018 10:07 AM
Comment #429794

“They have been coming into Portland spreading hate starting violence and being defended by conservatives here on WB.”

Who exactly is “they” j2t2. I challenge you again to prove what you write. Name the conservative defending violence and hate and provide the quote.

Put up or shut up time again Pal.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 4, 2018 3:12 PM
Comment #429795

j2t2 claims; “Trumps base are the brownshirts make no mistake.”

Fact: “Let’s remember that every segregation law in the South was passed by a Democratic legislature, signed by a Democratic governor, and enforced by Democratic officials.” Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party used these Democrat laws as a guide in fashioning the German anti-Jew laws.

We know who the “brown shirts” are j2t2. Look in the mirror.

And, take a look at the thuggish government in South Africa being praised by your hero…B. Obama.

STUNNING: Obama Praises South African Leader Despite Race Killings and New Law that Seizes White Farmers’ Land without Compensation

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 4, 2018 3:27 PM
Comment #429803

“Video from the event shows large groups of rightwing protesters kicking and punching lone, prone counter-protesters. One video, widely shared online by rightwingers, shows the Proud Boy Ethan Nordean flooring an anti-fascist assailant with a single punch.”

Yet to hear kctim tell it one would think it is the right wing who are the victims. That Trumps base is attacked daily. That these neo-Nazi and fascist aren’t violent. But the truth eludes the right so often.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 4, 2018 6:08 PM
Comment #429805

So what has happened to all them millions of illegal voters that conservatives keep trying to tell us is the reason for all the ALEC written voter suppression laws this past decade? Nothing they simply don’t exist according to Trumps own election fraud panel. Never have but it was all part of the conservative plan to grab control of the government by any means necessary.

Trump sicced Kobach and others on it right after he took control of the government. Despite the desperate shout out to all conservatives they just could find any evidence to prove the false accusations they have been spreading. Of course our conservative friends will show us a case of someone voting in two states here and there and try to convince themselves it is massive fraud. Yet they will remain silent about Russian interference in the tainted 20216 election claiming “well we do it too”.

Like Weary says there is a difference between repubs and conservatives, and I guess it is true. From my perspective if you take a repub and throw out reason and accountability you have a conservative. But the issue here is conservatives have taken over the repub party and we now see reason and accountability have gone out the window in DC with Trump in the WH.

So now that Royal tells us Hispanic polling an additional 10% towards repubs will the voter suppression laws stop? Will “conservatives but not republicans” like Weary claim some kind of ideological victory as Royal has?

Will Hispanics go after the ” elites, globalists and deep-state saboteurs”. Root out the Illuminati and get to the crust of pizzagate. Track Rothchilds satanic cultist down and make Ted Cruz’s father pay for killing JFK. Will they find Obama Hilary and Soros before they get their coup off the ground and before it is their kid they are selling, like conservatives? Or will they be upset that repubs have separated families to send a message to Mexico and Central America, perhaps forever, simply because the parents came here illegally? Which wing of the repub party, the bats**t crazy wing of far right conservatives or the moderate wing that separates families and puts little children in prisons and in front of judges while deporting their parents? I guess we will find out in November.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 4, 2018 6:43 PM
Comment #429817

Another example of j2t2 not reading the articles he links to.

It was an interesting read though. It made me want to call for a detailed forensic examination of all the video of those events. I’d be very interested in detailed description of the parties involved, their locations pinpointed on a map with a timeline. I asked for this because I did not see, in j2t2’s linked video, the police interacting with the protesters on either side. I saw one brief shot of them gathered in an area, a brief close-up of police pointing weapons. I could not discern whether they were firing them or not in that brief video segment.

The most dramatic encounter showed no police involvement at all. It was between the protesters and counter protestors and you couldn’t tell which group was which.

All video and audio, and with scepticism, all verbal reporting of these incidents must be examined and a detailed explanation of the events as they take place should be the news, not a brief 30 seconds video of brawling and hearsay.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 5, 2018 12:18 PM
Comment #429820

I don’t know if any of this information is accurate.

Culled from a more informed link:

At one point, police said on bullhorns that they had observed some people among the counter-protesters carrying weapons and ordered a section of the event area cleared.

Flash bang grenades deployed on SW Columbia/Naito to disperse Antifa in street

Mayor Ted Wheeler
said he had “serious concerns” about possible violence.


Joey Gibson leader of the Patriot Prayer group Washington State U.S. Senate Candidate
Patriot Prayer protesting group
the Proud Boys affiliated group
Tiny: Patriot Prayer member

antifa: Anti Fascist group
Resist Patriot Prayer: Facebook page for organization
Popular Mobilization: group formed to mobilize counter-protest
Effie Baum: Spokesperson for Popular Mobilization

coalition of labor unions, immigrant rights advocates, democratic socialists and other groups unnamed by authors


Eder Campuzano, a reporter for The Oregonian, holding his bloodied head after he was struck by a projectile. The only person injured.

Doug Stanglin and Christal Hayes, USA TODAY authors of linked article
OregonLive interviewed Effie Baum
The Associated Press contributed

Lisa Balick ? @lisabKOIN author of second linked article

Candidate for U.S. Senate Joey Gibson rally in Portland OR.

separated by barricades and by a street in front of the Tom McCall waterfront park.

Southwest Naito Parkway and Southwest Columbia Boulevard

SW Naito lined by both sides
SW Salmon Rose City antifa huge crowd
Antifa on Hawthorne Bridge
Patriot Prayer by Naito and Columbia Antifa on Columbia

SW Market and 3rd Patriot Prayer police@keeping groups on the move separated #koin6news #PatriotPrayer #popmob

Demonstrations now called civil disturbance crowds ordered to leave- ending back where they started at Salmon Springs


Posted by: Weary Willie at August 5, 2018 6:58 PM
Comment #429849

Your latest posts here are excellent examples of what I meant when I said: “The problem isn’t calling out lies or pointing out corruption, it’s dishonestly taking things out of context for political gain.”

It is an irrefutable fact that the number of actual “white nationalist, neo-Nazis and KKK and other fringe groups” is a very tiny fraction of the populace that has been marginalized.
It is an irrefutable fact that the democrats lost a ton of seats nationwide under Obama. That was a rejection of leftist policy.
It is an irrefutable fact that your “Russian trolls” targeted people and organizations of all political sides.
It is an irrefutable fact that pedo and assassination conspiracy theories have been around long before the 2016 election.
It is an irrefutable fact that the popular vote doesn’t mean jack sh*t in our Constitutional Republic.
ALL are perfect examples of how you are dishonestly taking things out of context for political gain.

“What do you think the baker was doing when he denied service to people because of sexual orientation?”

Yet another example of your silliness and inability to stay on topic.
This issue is being handled in the courts, as it should be. The people targeting these private businesses are not being physically assaulted for their beliefs.

Posted by: kctim at August 6, 2018 9:30 AM
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Here is a challenge for our Liberal Pals on WatchBlog.

Please define racism in one or two sentences.

So simple. Will any Liberal respond? Tune in.

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