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Who Knew That History Has Rhythm? Comey Apparently

This is not about moral or any other equivalence. Just two stories from the past day or so that seem to share one thing. They are absurd, yet possible. Even perhaps probable, although it’s a little early to tell.

In the first place, White House spokesperson Sarah Sanders has said that there actually may be plans being put together to allow Russian investigators to question Americans that Putin has apparently accused of interfering in Russia's elections or internal affairs. Here's what she reportedly said:

There was some conversation about it, but there wasn't a commitment made on behalf of the United States. The president will work with his team and we'll let you know if there's an announcement on that front.

The "it" being the possibility that people like ex-ambassador Michael McFaul would be interviewed by Russian agents or investigators while Russia would allow American officials to interview the intelligence officials indicted by Mueller's probe. Which means that President Trump is actually considering taking up Putin on his smirking offer, and thus giving a certain legitimacy to Putin's claim that Hillary and Obama hacked his election, so he darn well was gonna hack theirs, even as he thuggishly denies it. A childish tit for tat but executed in a rather sophisticated way.

And successful as well. Not because a single voter was likely manipulated into zombie-like voting for Trump because of a few poorly-worded Facebook ads. But because of all that has happened since in America. Including this latest uproar.

Why bother bleating "impeachment" like a rabid goat when President Trump just threw some more chum in the water that will keep the media feeding frenzy at full-bore? It's not at all definite that he's going through with this, but the mere fact that Sanders had to stand up there and tell the press that the White House was considering Putin's ridiculous offer is an absurdity. And one that may not be impossible, unfortunately.

In the second place, James Comey aside from attacking Trump for his Helsinki blunderfest, said the following:

This Republican Congress has proven incapable of fulfilling the Founders' design that "Ambition must ... counteract ambition." All who believe in this country's values must vote for Democrats this fall. Policy differences don't matter right now. History has its eyes on us.

A few weeks ago, Comey said this:

The rhythm of history, of American history, tells us that eventually, the American people in their great mass will tire of him and come to realize that he threatens what is essentially America, which is our values.

The rhythm of history? The dialectic has rhythm? Who knew? Ok, so this is someone who feels he has no choice but to fulfill his destiny and run for higher office. Higher than what he had as former FBI Director. Will it be for a Senate seat? Will he wait and see how his book sales are doing and try to raise money and his profile? Will people still care?

Politicians have long memories and Comey has made enemies within the FBI, and on both sides of the aisle. It often comes with the territory of being the head of an agency that is an uneasy cross between intelligence gathering and guns-drawn, law enforcement. So, it seems slightly absurd that Comey may very well run for office, but hardly impossible.

Yes, Comey has said "never" when directly asked if he would run for elected office. Maybe he means it. Maybe he just loves writing stuff like the rhythm of history because he's self-righteous and pompous in an odd quirky way. But when Comey writes something like that, it doesn't have the charming seduction when Obama carefully and thoughtfully winds his speech around a flawed concept that only he has the vision to see. In other words, Obama is able to get away with similar rhetoric because he leavens it with false humility and cutting humor. Comey seems to have neither, although he apparently thinks he's a very, very funny guy.

And Comey has seen plenty of Washington DC and how politics works at the federal level. So maybe he means it when he says "never." It's just that phrase ... how can someone say, the rhythm of history, and not be thinking of elected office? Maybe Comey is someone who can. We'll see.

Posted by AllardK at July 19, 2018 4:26 PM
Comment #429217

1 - The Russians are not going to interrogate our people.
2 - The leftists have destroyed almost all of the values that made this country great, so much so that we are almost coming to blows to save the remaining values we have left.
3 - Comey won’t run.

Posted by: kctim at July 19, 2018 4:48 PM
Comment #429224

When Putin said Russia wanted to interrogate the previous American ambassador and others, Trump called it an “incredible offer.” Twice. “Incredible offer.” He then said he would ‘consider’ it. On his instructions, his spokeswoman told the press Trump would consult with his team about it.

The answer should have been NO. Period. It was NOT an “incredible offer.” It did NOT need to be considered, and definitely not for three days. Trump did NOT need to consult anyone about this. He is a traitor. He is weak. A patsy. A pushover. An appeaser. A fan boy. A wet noodle.

68% of Republicans thought Helsinki went well. I would hate to see their idea of a bad meeting. Putin’s approval ratings with the GOP are going up. That is alarming in and of itself. Now Trump is going to meet with his handler again soon.

No one knows what Trump gave up. The Russian military claims they are already acting on national security measures agreed upon by Trump and Putin. No one knows what that involves.

Democrats motioned to subpoena the translator for the Helsinki meeting. The GOP shot that down. Democrats pushed legislation for state cyber security grants. The GOP shot that down, too.

The White House stenographer quit because Trump was “lying to the American people” and was “not even trying to tell the truth.” Nice.

The DHS Advisory Council resigned. They found Trump’s policies “morally repugnant.”

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2018 10:09 PM
Comment #429242

The party of an incumbent president with an approval rating of 60% or less has lost seats in both houses of Congress in every midterm election since WWII. Every single one.

The average loss is thirty-seven seats in the House and six in the Senate.

Now that’s one historical rhythm I can support.

Posted by: Elliott at July 20, 2018 7:43 AM
Comment #429252

Good point.
Luckily, the lefts current ‘rhythm’ may have a negative effect on how many are taken.

Today’s ‘democrat’ leaders and supporters, folks:

Posted by: kctim at July 20, 2018 10:13 AM
Comment #429261

How do we hold off the next Civil War?

We have to come together and agree on what we will give Liberals to keep them busy.

We, as Conservatives, should commit a certain amount of due diligence in providing the liberal mind with something to consume.

Let’s think outside the box.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 20, 2018 4:35 PM
Comment #429262

Put your hands together for the new “Democrat Dream Team”

As upstart Ocasio-Cortez hits campaign trail with Bernie Sanders, high profile spurs fears of Dem rift

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, who was the Democratic Party’s candidate for vice president in 2000, in an interview with Fox News on Wednesday.

“When I see somebody who really says she’s a socialist — she’s a very captivating, charismatic candidate — when you look at those policies, those policies will not be supported in many places across America,” Lieberman said.

These two socialist are far Left of Obama and Clinton. Who believes America is ready for full blown socialism?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2018 4:36 PM
Comment #429272
The leftists have destroyed almost all of the values that made this country great, so much so that we are almost coming to blows to save the remaining values we have left.

Shine them tin foil hats up babies the “leftist” who have not held the majority in the House since 2010 and the Senate since 2014 and the presidency since 2016 have destroyed almost all of the values “that made this country great”! So exactly what values have the repubs outlawed,kctim, because you do know the Congress and the administration as well as most of the states are conservative controlled.

You guys have been stockpiling arms for years. You swallowed the conservative propaganda and spewed forth hatred the entire 8 years Obama was president, telling us how much better it would be when the repubs took the office back. Of course Trump has his own agenda, well him and Putin have made your team an embarrassment. You guys have used the power of propaganda to convince yourselves that it is you who are the victims, oppressed by minorities while Trumps base is killing kids in the street!

Trump has caused the right wing to mass in rallies uniting the right and attacking college kids around the country, running them down with cars, for crying out loud. You guys have nothing in your way to return the country back to…well…when…exactly you guys? Pre-Progressive era? Well the Gilded Age is where we are at today and it is due to the conservative agenda since the Reagan Revolution.

Yet it is the “leftist” that have started a civil war! You cowardly pieces of s**t have been wanting a civil war for years. Why do you need a scapegoat if you are so right in your thinking? IMHO it is because you don’t want to waste the time branding us liberals preferring to take us straight to the gas chambers instead, Zeig Heil..right? I know..I know… It isn’t fascism when you do it… right?

This level of cognitive dissonance is amazing you must take the cognitive dissonance by the bottle to be so out of touch with reality.

Weary baby steps… my friend… baby steps. Start small, try just thinking for a change. Take the tin foil hats off, stop with the kool aid, get rid of the rose colored glasses and get a dose of the real world, away from the conservative propaganda. Then just think, outside of the box will come later.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 20, 2018 8:25 PM
Comment #429292

Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Did anyone see Whoopie Goldberg’s TDS kick in? She actually screamed at a woman and kicked her out of the building like she owned it. Why? Because someone said she had Trump Derangement Syndrome!

Just like with j2t2, the left’s TDS in on full display and they don’t even realize it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 21, 2018 3:23 AM
Comment #429301

Hey, cowardly piece of shit, can you point me to one of these gas chambers you referred to? I’m curious how they operate. I want to be able to recognize one when the left decides to use them again.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 21, 2018 3:06 PM
Comment #429305

Weary the “judge” was wrong to tell Goldberg she was deranged on a TV show. She has no basis to state this claim, she was losing the discussion and had to resort to attacking the messenger because her logic was flawed. Fortunately Goldberg didn’t let her get away with it and kicked her foolish a** out.

Weary how would I know where you guys have your gas chambers, I’m not even sure you have thought that far ahead yet with your whole civil war line of crap. The point of that comment was to have you guys realize what you sound like when you make all these wild assertions based upon myth and misinformation. The one sided absolutism spouted by kctim is filled with anger not fact.

Lets face it conservatives can dish out the crap, and Trump above all else has a talent for slinging lies and insults, but when it comes time to face the music you guys get all butt hurt. I say too f**king bad for you. For years conservative propagandist have bellowed everything from birtherism to muslim to christian extremist to terrorist about Obama and then you movement followers started braying like it was true. Repeating it, getting all angry and then the hate filled conservatives now find the shoe on the other foot and whine like babies.

Trump ran his …well Putin ran Trumps campaign just like that, insults and lies instead of facts. Now it is time to face the music. Remember he has no mandate, losing the popular vote and all. He is either so terrible at meetings or is compromised by Putin or both. His presidency is morally flawed, corrupted and possibly compromised by a foreign government and will be tainted forever. The people of this country know this and are protesting Trump and his administration. Rightfully so. Yet you guys are cowering like kids telling us there will be a civil war if we don’t kow tow top your demands for the fuhrer.

Yes protesting and rightfully so, after all Trump has unleashed his base of white nationalist KKK and neo-Nazi’s loose on the colleges and universities. These brownshirts have one goal in mind and the sad thing is guys like you and kctim fall for it. Just like the brownshirts of Germany these guys go out and agitate then when confronted start whining and blaming the protestors for violence when it is them that are the violent ones. Right out of your buddies playbook.

What is sad is you guys are falling for this stuff, that is why I said take baby steps Weary, just think first then once you can crawl then try to walk. I mean look at you guys calling for civil war on a regular and reoccurring basis here on WB! Still blaming everything on minorities or opposition political parties, just like the Nazi’s in late 20’s early 30’s Germany. Just yesterday Trump was blaming the FED for the economy! While telling us how great it is, despite the tax cuts adding so much to the deficit.

You guys have owned the Congress for years, abusing that power by not bringing Garland up for a vote, and most of the states yet all the countries problems are blamed on others! Think about it a while Weary Trump has “compromised” written all over him. He has insulted and blamed our allies while telling us how good our adversaries are. Isn’t that what the conservatives do, I mean appease these strong dictators as if they were all enamored with them and their style of leadership? Chamberlain did the same kind of thing prior to WWII with Hitler and it was for nought.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 21, 2018 4:50 PM
Comment #429308

I think I should say, “I rest my case.”. What we have here is a clear cut case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

It started with, “Are you pointing at me?”, and it’s continued with, “after all Trump has unleashed his base of white nationalist KKK and neo-Nazi’s loose on the colleges and universities.”

j2t2 brings up gas chambers like they’re a fact of life in Trump’s America and then tells me he doesn’t know where they are! Another clear case of TDS.

How has your life changed in the last year and a half, j2t2?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 21, 2018 5:16 PM
Comment #429311

Weary perhaps you are thinking of Deranged Trump Syndrome which is a much more common illness here in America today. Perhaps the gas chambers are in the FEMA camps you guys use to talk so much about.

But hey enough about me lets get back to Trumps base

Posted by: j2t2 at July 22, 2018 12:24 PM
Comment #429312

Do you guys realize how pathetic your arguments are? They are practically non-existent. They’re fantasy!

Seriously, instead of making jokes about morbid daydreams, tell us all how your life has changed.

Perhaps it’s the exact opposite of how my life has changed. When I realized Trump got elected I was thrilled, hopeful. I can only assume you experienced the opposite, disparaged and demoralized. Am I correct?

Don’t avoid the question, j2t2. Have some courage and tell us how you feel.

That group in your link was founded during Clinton’s presidency, j2t2. Gosh! You really need to read these stories you link to.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 22, 2018 2:34 PM
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I know, you’re lazy. You type in Trump kkk and copy the first link that comes up. Shame on you, j2t2.

Grasping at straws is no way to debate an educated person.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 22, 2018 2:35 PM
Comment #429325

I guess j2t2 missed it the first time I posted to this link.

“An issue of Harper’s Weekly that same year illustrated this mindset with a depiction of two white Democrats standing next to a black man while pointing a gun at him. At the bottom of the depiction is a caption that reads: “Of Course He Wants To Vote The Democratic Ticket!”

This is reminiscent of the 2008 Presidential election when members of the New Black Panther Party hung out at a Philadelphia precinct wielding big batons.

…Democrats have a secret past that must be protected and an agenda that must be fulfilled.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2018 4:28 PM
Comment #429356

Patriotism has defined Americans for a very long long time. Today, leftists condemn it as nationalism. Freedom of religion helped shape our country and culture, today leftists demand freedom from religion. Freedom of speech has allowed communists, socialists, wannabe nazi’s, kkk, black panther and others of such ilk to march and speak their minds, today leftists engage in destruction and physical violence to silence those with differing opinions.
Today, leftists condemn American exceptionalism, denounce our founders and our form of government. All while screaming false narratives about white privilege, systemic racism, sexism, homophobia and gender.

The only reason “the Congress and the administration as well as most of the states are conservative controlled” is because leftists have been using the the media, the courts and partisan legislation to force their beliefs onto all of the states.

“You guys have been stockpiling arms for years.”

Actually, arms have been a part of our nations history from the very beginning and accumulating weapons has been around just as long.

“You swallowed the conservative propaganda and spewed forth hatred the entire 8 years Obama was president”

Disagreeing with policy is not hatred. Believing all should be treated equally, rather than believing special treatment for special groups, is not a belief that one is “oppressed by minorities.”

“while Trumps base is killing kids in the street!”

Ridiculous hyperbole. Just like your cries of fascism and Russia.

“Trump has caused the right wing to mass in rallies uniting the right and attacking college kids around the country, running them down with cars”

Those rallies have a couple hundred people attend and in almost all cases the violence was started by leftists trying to silence them.

“Yet it is the “leftist” that have started a civil war!”

No, not yet. But it is what you are pushing for and in some cases, calling for.

“You cowardly pieces of s**t have been wanting a civil war for years.”

Aw, and now your hatred and anger has morphed into name calling.
Yes, I realize that that means you know your argument is not supported by the facts, but it is quite sad and pathetic of you to resort to such a low level.

Seeing how you cannot provide any facts or examples to support the nonsense you have posted, the only conclusion one can come to is that you have lost all grasp of reality.

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2018 9:50 AM
Comment #429359

Weary if you are so thrilled and hopeful why are you wanting to start a civil war?

Royal as many times as you have brought this up how could anyone miss it? I wonder do you think this is relevant today? If you do that is your mistake, google southern strategy as we have told you so many times before.

Oh jeez where to start with you kctim, with such a slant on the reality of the situation I think maybe an award from the Goebbels Center for conservative propaganda. The misinformation in your comment is so slanted the monthly award could be yours.

Instead of projecting to such a degree kctim why not learn from your fellow conservatives

Posted by: j2t2 at July 23, 2018 10:36 AM
Comment #429360

Where did I say I wanted to start a civil war?

I’m pretty sure I support giving liberals some shiny objects to play with to give them something to do, avoiding the civil war.

I know you saw it. You replied to it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2018 10:48 AM
Comment #429361

Answer the question, j2t2.

How has your life changed since Trump got elected?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2018 10:49 AM
Comment #429367

“I wonder do you think this is relevant today?”

Well j2t2, since what I quoted was about racism, and election fraud, I believe it is relevant today.

The Democrats continue to support racism as a government policy. It is racist to keep someone on the government dole and telling them that others are responsible for their plight.

The “New Black Panther Party (in 2008) hung out at a Philadelphia precinct wielding big batons.” Threatening people wishing to vote is a Democrat tactic.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 23, 2018 2:54 PM
Comment #429369

Ah, more name calling, thanks for not letting me down, J2.

I’m not going to give up on you though. One day, I am going to convince you to drop the hate and conspiracies and childish name calling, and get you to debate the facts in an intelligent manner.

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2018 4:22 PM
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