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Trump & Putin Summit

Today we get a more complete update on the Russian hacking of the DNC and Hillary going back to 2015. Mueller has indicted 13 Russians, two groups in the GRU, for hacking and political interference.

The fake news slant is that Putting wanted to hurt Clinton and help Trump in the 2016 elections. That's possible but, it's also possible that what with Podesta using 'password' for his password and Hillary setting up her DOS server in her basement, may have just provided easy targets for the GRU.

Old story that has been refurbed and released by the Trump admin 3 days before Trump meets with Putin tells you Trump has something up his sleeve. At least, this will put Putin on the defensive for the meeting. Maybe Putin will concede something.

Posted by Roy Ellis at July 13, 2018 5:50 PM
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Roy, I am relieved knowing that President Trump is more than a match, in every way, for Putin.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 13, 2018 6:01 PM
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Agree Royal. It’s a good thing for the two to meet and size each other up as they’ve got to get along with each other for another six years or so unless Putin bows out before.

One would think Putin would see the futility of having a Naval port in Crimea. Can’t see as it would be worth a whit to him in a wartime environment. And, can’t see how it has any benefit in a peacetime environment, no maneuverability and so on.

Surely, they can resolve an issue or two and knock back a coupla vodkas.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 13, 2018 6:55 PM
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Watching Hannity tonite, he came off as indicating that Rosenstein took it on himself to make the public announcement re the 12 Russians. I can’t believe that but, if he did that w/o notifying the admin he should be fired post haste, before the sun comes up in the AM.

His position might give him the authority to break the news but, to do it w/o notifying the admin 3 days before a summit meeting with Putin, … gone before the sun comes up …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 13, 2018 9:14 PM
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I don’t understand the animosity toward Russia. Some may believe Russia’s aggression toward Crimea and Georgia warrants a hostile response from the U.S. I don’t.

The U.S. intruded into the Ukraine and George after the fall of the U.S.S.R. We are the actual aggressors as far as Georgia and Ukraine go.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 13, 2018 11:54 PM
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Posted by: Lesa Cote at July 14, 2018 4:28 AM
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The indictments put to rest the Seth Rich conspiracy theory. It was promoted by Assange at Wikileaks, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and others. We now know Assange, Hannity, and others were lying.

“I briefed President Trump about these allegations earlier this week. The President is fully aware of the Department’s actions today.”
Rod Rosenstein, 7/13/18

Rosenstein was seen going into the White House earlier this week. Now we know why.

Here is a link to the indictment:

Caught a few minutes of Limbaugh Friday, after the indictment was announced. Limbaugh was lying. He was trying to convince his listeners that since the indictment contained no allegations mentioning Americans, there would not be any in the future. The indictment mentions several cases that will almost certainly result in indictments for Americans.

We also know Trump has been lying. He has known all along the Russians were behind the hacks, yet to this day, he calls it a hoax and a witch hunt.

We already know Donald Trump Jr., Michael Caputo, and Roger Stone lied to Congress. Roger Stone has said he expects to be indicted. To this day Donald Trump Jr. and Roger Stone have not been interviewed by the Mueller investigation, and when people are central in a case but are not interviewed, it usually means they are targets. Stone was a go-between for senior members of the Trump campaign and Guccifer 2.0

Here is an interesting nugget from page 15:

“On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the US. Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate’s opponent.

Who was the candidate? The section on page 16 refers to Roger Stone and Aaron Nevins, a former GOP CoS for a Senator in FL. Rumors say the person breaking the law was Matt Gaetz. There is good reason to believe that is true. Gaetz is a FL Congressman, knows Roger Stone, and has vehemently opposed the Mueller investigation.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
Donald Trump, 7/27/16

Thanks to the indictment, we now know that on the evening of July 27th, the Russians attacked Hillary Clinton’s personal server for the first time.

Trump is refusing to do the interview, perhaps hoping the Mueller investigation will delay doing anything until after Labor Day & the midterms. We will see. The next raft on indictments will be for Americans. In just 14 months the Mueller investigation has filed charges against 5 Americans, one Dutch, 26 Russians, and 3 Russian corporations. Five have already pleaded guilty. Trump Campaign Manager Manafort is already in jail.

Impressive. But there is more to come.

Posted by: phx8 at July 14, 2018 6:08 PM
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I can almost hear the rapid breathing and fluttering heart as phx8 spins his fairy-tale.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 14, 2018 6:40 PM
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“Caught a few minutes of Limbaugh Friday, after the indictment was announced.”

LOL…phx8 never catches more than a “few” minutes of Rush, and always when Rush is lying. My guess, phx8 is an avid fan of Rush and even watches him on the “Ditto-cam”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 14, 2018 6:55 PM
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Americans were asked to name the best president in their lifetime during a recent Pew poll:

1. Obama 44%
2. Clinton 33%
3. Reagan 32%
4. Trump 19%
5. Bush 14%

In Britain, Trump has an 11% approval rating, which explains why he faced the largest protests against a visiting head of state in the history of the UK.

Now Trump is doing something no president has ever done in modern times. At his own insistence, he is meeting Putin alone, with no national security people in the room. Why? What possible reason would they have for needing to be alone? Trump should be prevented from meeting his handler. Wonder what instructions Putin will give him?
Well, at least the latest Mueller investigation indictments will give Putin and Traitor Trump pause.

Posted by: phx8 at July 14, 2018 10:39 PM
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It’s a little early for these Mueller indictments to come out, isn’t it? They won’t have nearly the impact they could have closer to the election. Having them come out now will give the public time to examine these allegations. That’s not good for the left and the element of the October surprise the left relies on is wasted.

Democratics can’t even pull off their own parlor tricks any more!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 15, 2018 10:57 AM
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Has anyone noticed what every news story at one time or another says:

though none of the charges are directly related to any misconduct by the president’s campaign.



Posted by: Weary Willie at July 15, 2018 12:29 PM
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Posted by: Weary Willie at July 15, 2018 12:31 PM
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Well of course phx8 has reason to fear the meeting between President Trump and Putin. I will list them;


Posted by: Royal Flush at July 15, 2018 3:52 PM
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Trump is a ‘live wire’ relative to other bygone presidents. He’s been to China, NK and now meeting with Putin, in a relatively short time frame.

I think a lot about what drives the left to be so crazi re Trump and Hil’s loss. I keep coming back to the reasoning that the dim’s/corpocratists/socialists knew that they needed 4 more years to permanently convert the US into a 3rd world country.

Basically, the thing they most needed was to get enough immigrants onto the voting rolls to ensure the dims would control the ballot box for , well, forever. How close did they come? Trump lost the majority vote at the ballot box but won the electoral vote, which gave him the presidency. Frighteningly close to putting us in a 3rd world status forever. No way to turn it around outside a real Thomas Jefferson revolution.

They were so sure they had it all but wrapped up. Hillary could easily have beaten any one of the GOP candidates who ran with Trump. So, in that sense they have a right to be made at Trump. But, for what? It’s done. Trump, whatwith his immigration policies, 2 to 4 SC picks and his common sense approach to all matters, is going to be a good President for this country thru 2024.

The policies he puts in place will ensure the dims will have to start from scratch if/when they ever win another election. I’m educating my grandchildren as to what nearly happened and what their responsibilities are down the road.

Lock er up, Lock er up!

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 15, 2018 4:26 PM
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Roy, here is a news story that is difficult to believe.

“The California Democratic Party on Saturday endorsed U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (26 years as senator) challenger, highlighting the moderate lawmaker’s political disconnect with liberal activists in her home state.”

Read more here:

The Left has become so rabidly sick, that they now devour their own. The Left has been bitten by the socialist/communist bug and it will be fatal for the Party.

Despite the two major Liberal cable news TV networks, CNN and MSNBC; losing to The Food Channel and HGTV, the Left seems to believe that ever more radical political views will resonate among their shrinking numbers.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 15, 2018 4:41 PM
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Posted by: Lesa Cote at July 16, 2018 12:05 AM
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“We also know Trump has been lying. He has known all along the Russians were behind the hacks, yet to this day, he calls it a hoax and a witch hunt.”

He calls Trump/Russian ‘collusion’ a hoax and a witch hunt.

Posted by: kctim at July 16, 2018 9:27 AM
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That press conference with Putin today- that was treason, folks. Plain and simple.

“What we saw *today* was collusion. Trump’s refusal to treat Russian sabotage of our democracy as the crime that it is encourages Putin to keep it up.”
Greg Sargent

“”My people came to me…they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

That’s how a press conference sounds when an Asset stands next to his Handler.”
Michael Steel, former head of the RNC

“When Trump was in Moscow back then, I didn’t even know that he was there. I treat him with utmost respect, but back then when he was private person, a businessman, nobody informed me”.

That is an outright lie by Putin and there is abundant evidence.

“This is an extraordinary moment. It is without equal, not only in American history but in modern history. A hostile foreign power intervened in our election to help elect a man president who has since actively served their interests and has defended them at every turn.

Trump may deny collusion. But given that this the attack continues, denying it is collusion, distracting from it is collusion, obstructing the investigation of it is collusion — because all these things enable it to go on.

That the president is abetted in his aid for the Russians — again, in the midst of this ongoing attack — by the leadership of the Republican Party makes the situation all the more extraordinary and dangerous. As Republicans seek to undermine the investigation, they serve Russia as directly as if they were officers of the GRU. Some now reportedly seek to impeach Rosenstein on trumped up charges. To attack one of our national defense leaders as we are being attacked, and to do so to benefit our foreign adversary, is textbook treason.”
David Rothkoph, editor of “Foreign Policy”

Paul Ryan went off, and rightly so. This must not continue. Trump must be removed from office. People serving him in this administration must leave now, because there is no longer any excuse.

Trump has recently called the free press “the enemy of the people” (again), and described the EU and the Democrats as “foes.” His press conference was treason, plain and simple. There is no excuse to stand with guy. None.

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 1:37 PM
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“My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me, some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”
Trump at today’s news conference

“The role of the Intelligence Community is to provide the best information and fact-based assessments possible for the President and policymakers. We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.”
Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, shortly after the news conference

Coats, by the way, is a Trump appointee and used to be a notoriously conservative GOP Senator

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 2:24 PM
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notoriously conservative GOP Senator

WOW! No bias there, eh?!


Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 2:47 PM
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You guys aren’t going to stop until the shooting starts, are you?

If the media continues to instigate this hate toward a duly elected, sitting president then they are the enemy of the people. Objectivity doesn’t include hatred toward a political opponent. Objectivity doesn’t include knee jerk emotional propaganda that inflames narrow minded people to violence.

You’re no help, phx8. I fail to see what you are attempting to accomplish.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 2:50 PM
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Today the DOJ arrested Maria Butina for acting as an agent of Russia. She cultivated relationships and penetrated organizations, especially the NRA.

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 2:53 PM
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Anyone who eats caviar and drinks vodka could be colluding with Russia.

phx8 gets all upset over words.

Obama failed in deterring or seriously punishing Russian in its illegal and immoral actions in:




Obama is quoted in “The Atlantic”; “The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do.”

Read what Charles Krauthammer wrote in “The Washington Post” on March 20, 2014 about Obama’s pathetic response to Putin.

“After Obama’s Russian “reset,” missile-defense retreat and Syria comedown, Putin had already developed an undisguised disdain for his U.S. counterpart. Yet even he must have been amazed by this newest American flight of fantasy. Putin reclaims a 200-year-old Russian patrimony with hardly a shot and to wild applause at home — Putin’s 72 percent domestic popularity is 30 points higher than Obama’s — and America’s leaders think he needs rescue?

Putin made it clear that he preferred Sevastopol to good reviews from the “international community.” Yet Obama and Kerry held off doing anything until the Crimean referendum — after which, they ominously threatened, there would be “consequences.”

Obama unveiled them Monday in a four-minute statement as flat-toned as a legal notice in the classifieds. The consequences? Visa denial and frozen assets for 11 people, seven of them Russian. Seven! Out of 140 million. No Putin. No Dmitry Medvedev. No oligarchs. Nor any of Putin’s inner circle of ex-KGBers. No targeting of the energy sector or banks, Russia’s industrial and financial lifeblood.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2018 2:58 PM
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Why is Russia so bad Weary wants to know. I would suggest it is becvause they look at Trump as a useful idiot. Trump acts the part quite well.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 16, 2018 3:03 PM
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Some of the reactions to today’s press conference:

“Putin Dominates in Helsinki”
Drudge Report

“I’m horrified”
Meghan McCain

“Trump failed America today.”
Chuck Hagel, former Republican Senator

“Nothing short of treasonous”
John Brennan, former CIA Director

Neil Cavuto, FOX Business News

“He outmaneuvered our president.”
Ashley Webster, FOX Biz

“No negotiation is worth throwing your own people and country under the bus.”
Abby Huntsman, FOX News Analyst

Trump is receiving nearly universal condemnation for what he said on that podium today.

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 3:20 PM
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“You guys aren’t going to stop until the shooting starts, are you?”

That is exactly what they want Weary and they’re not going to stop until they get it. They are intentionally undermining the country and the President for political gain.
They have done more to hurt the country than Putin could have ever hoped to do.

They are playing right into Putin’s hand and he is loving it.

Posted by: kctim at July 16, 2018 3:23 PM
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We understand your glee phx8. Most of the media, and all of the Liberals, have been attacking President Trump on a daily basis.

There is not a single iota of proof that President Trump was helped, in any way, by Russia in his election win. Yet, that is what is inferred every day.

As usual, attacking President Trump is considered a media directive. It did not work to keep him from being elected to office. It did not work in keeping him from accomplishing many of his campaign promises and goals. It will not work to elect a Democrat House or Senate.

President Trump will continue to promote freedom and liberty for every American. His successful campaign for a much greater military budget will deter our enemies. His successful campaign to encourage our NATO allies to spend more on their own military defense will deter our enemies.

President Trump is popular because of his actions. Words are cheap; and didn’t help our security at all when used by Obama.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
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I don’t think Trump is in Putin’s pocket. Actually, I think Putin is scared to death someone with an agenda will start a war with Russia.

Why is phx8 and j2t2 and the left criticizing this event? I think they’re scared to death Mueller will be instructed to take up Putin’s invitation to have Russia assist in this investigation. Since all of the accused are in Russia, they should be included.

I don’t think it will happen. Russia, with access to this investigation, would be able to rip the guts out of the deep state and paint the walls with the bloody entrails.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 5:23 PM
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““No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are—a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad.”
John McCain

There is no getting away from it. Trump openly sided with Putin and the Russians, and against the American Intelligence Community, the DOJ, FBI, CIA, and the DNI. There is no escaping this. It happened and everybody saw it. Trump supporters are going to have to answer a question: Who do you side with? Trump & Putin, or America.

Saying “But Obama!” or “This is Hillary’s fault!” won’t work. Who do you side with? Because the time is upon us, it is a binary choice, and you have to choose.

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 5:36 PM
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phx8 is insisting we choose sides. How much more clearly can you say it’s civil war time. Shame on you, phx8.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 5:47 PM
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Don’t you dare use the American Experience in your arguments, phx8. Don’t you dare use the Constitution to state your position. You just declared war on the American Experience.

.. you have to choose.

Or what?! What are you going to do? Are you going to take my gun away? You make your choice, phx8. Go ahead, make my day.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 5:53 PM
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“…you have to choose.”

What a silly egotistical and totally riotous comment by our Liberal Pal.

Perhaps phx8 has forgotten that we have an election in November. All of us, except phx8, will wait until then to express our contempt for the Liberal Left and the corrupted officials in some our agencies.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2018 5:55 PM
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We wonder when John McCain became the spokesperson for phx8. When did this affair begin?

Is anyone surprised that McCain continues to hate President Trump? Soon, we may read of Liberals loving Bush and Reagan.

Watch out for “flying pigs”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2018 6:01 PM
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I can’t believe he’s still in the picture. Doesn’t he believe in retiring? Wha… Doesn’t he think he can live on SS?

So, is phx8 trying to start a civil war? Overthrowing a duly elected leader of his country would do the trick, yes?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 6:14 PM
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I just got done watching the presser with Trump and Putin.

OMG! I can’t believe what Trump said! Holy Cow! How can he possibly sell uranium to our enemy?! And, to blatantly say, with the entire world watching, that he will have more flexibility after he gets elected again!

Wow! The nerve of that guy!

He’s going to have to get a button to press if he wants to fix this blunder of a show.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 6:25 PM
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Nope. Won’t work. We are at an inflection point. It is out there for all to see, and now you have to choose. There is no pretending to be a patriot devoted to the constitution, yet side against America, and with Trump and Putin. The US IC has been very clear. Trump and Putin have been very clear too.

So which is it? Trump and Putin, or the United States?

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 6:32 PM
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LOL…what do you think of this guy Weary? Should we tell phx8 where to stick his head?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2018 6:39 PM
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It appears to already be there.

Trump is the most patriotic American citizen we’ve got right now. With all of Obama’s fluff and flutter the media convinced half of us he was the best thing to happen to this country since sliced bread. What was his goal? To fundamentally change this country. Did he think that would be easy? He must have because he quit half way through and decided to coast the rest of the way “with more flexibility” and a couple of mil.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 7:04 PM
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Nope. Don’t even bother. No amount of “But Obama” and “What about Hillary?” will change what happened today. It is a dark day in American history. An American President stood next to a Russian autocrat and took sides with the Russians against the American IC, democracy, and fair elections. No one made Trump do that. He should never have taken that meeting. He should have cancelled it, especially after the release of 12 very specific indictments naming a dozen GRU officers for their role in attacking the Democrats. The indictments specified who, what, when, where, why, and how in great detail. And Trump should never have met alone with Putin. Why did he do that? What did they talk about? We will never know. But Trump came out of that meeting pushing Putin’s narrative, and taking Putin’s side against the American IC, DOJ, FBI, and the DNI.

Some of you are so caught up in the Trump cult of personality, you have tossed patriotism aside in order to kowtow to Trump. Love of Trump is not the same as love of country, and that difference was on full display today.

Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 8:21 PM
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Don’t tell me what I’m caught up in, phx8. Your comments are bordering on bizarre. You say he committed treason on that podium? Prove it. Have him impeached. Like I said before, Go ahead, make my day.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 8:37 PM
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The reason conservatives here on WB are so confused is because of their own cognitive dissonance. Face it gentlemen you are blaming the media for Trumps actions, talking about duped! You are blaming anyone to the left of you guys, which is a vast majority of the country, for the actions of Trump. The spoiled rick kid whose style it seems is to berate and criticize everyone who disagrees with him, the problem of course is he cannot take the same berating and criticizing when it is aimed at him.

We are not a safer nation now that Trump is in office in fact just the opposite is true. Trump is Putin’s bitch and he has directed Trump to insult our allies and create havoc in the world so Putin can gain. The Helsinki meeting has proven Trump is owned by the Russians and is sacrificing the country for his personal gain. Oh and to keep the pee pee videos on the down low.

How touchy feely the conservatives have become, their president is being held accountable in the media and the far right KKK, neo-Nazi’s and nationalist are being meant with resistance as they flaunt themselves in the public eye. You guys have degraded the former administration and in fact still do with unfounded accusations to this date. You insulted and lied about every thing Obama did and cannot accept what you are experiencing now as Trumpsters. After projecting for years it should be a no-brainer for you guys.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 16, 2018 10:00 PM
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Saying “But Obama!” or “This is Hillary’s fault!” won’t work. Who do you side with? Because the time is upon us, it is a binary choice, and you have to choose.
Posted by: phx8 at July 16, 2018 5:36 PM

Better check your other half, phx8. I don’t think j2t2 got the memo.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2018 10:16 PM
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So blinded by the far right propaganda Royal Kctim and Weary are siding with the Russians it seems, and willing to have a civil war to defend Putin and Trump and oligarchy and corruption and nationalism and other core far right conservative ideologies.

Who could possibly defend Trump after this past week? Most repubs and conservatives are shocked by what Trump has done, Even some of the Faux news douche bags are criticizing Trump for his complete failure in Helsinki.

The question now is will the repubs in the Congress do their jobs and throw Trump under the bus? I hope not. I still think we need a lesson in this country that only Trump can deliver. We like to sit back and think it couldn’t happen here yet most of us have forgot the lesson history has taught us. IMHO the mindset of conservatives is like Germany in 1931. Listen to our conservative friends tell us it is fake news or the fault of those protesting Trump.

I noticed kctim asking what is so bad about nationalism just recently. At first I laughed because who would say that… But then he blames those protesting Trump for allowing Putin to have his way with Trump! It’s not Trumps fault it is those that don’t like him….FFS kctim have you lost your mind?

Weary would have us believe Trump is the most patriotic American we have! How sad any lessons history has taught are lost on him. Meanwhile Royal tells us Trump will continue to promote freedom and liberty for all Americans! The real question Royal is will Putin allow Trump to do this? If you cannot see Trump is a Russian agent doing the bidding of Putin then something is wrong.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 17, 2018 12:13 AM
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Roy Ellis:
Royal Flush:
Weary Willie:

How does it feel to support a traitor? Unless you are a Russian then congrats on having an operative in the White House. Good Job!

Posted by: henryjones000 at July 17, 2018 4:39 AM
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J2, how can you know who I am “siding with” when all you guys are doing is spouting partisan gobbledygook about the US President being a traitor, being Putin’s b*tch, being owned by Russians and “pee pee videos?” Sacrificing the country? FFS!
Not once have leftists shown a desire for an intelligent discussion on actual matters with actual facts.

“I noticed kctim asking what is so bad about nationalism just recently.”

No, you didn’t. I gave a very brief example of actual nationalism within historical context.
The only thing you noticed was the word fascism not being in the same sentence as nationalism and then you decided to start spouting your 1931 Germany nonsense again.
Proving that just like fascism, you have no idea WTF nationalism actually is.

“But then he blames those protesting Trump…”

Nope, that didn’t happen either. I clearly stated that leftists are intentionally being subversive and divisive for political gain.

Your lack of comprehension is astounding. No wonder you guys won’t answer honest questions, ignore facts, and have to engage in hyperbole.

Posted by: kctim at July 17, 2018 8:13 AM
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And now democrats in Congress are calling for a coup:

“Where are our military folks? The Commander in Chief is in the hands of our enemy!”
- US Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN)

Posted by: kctim at July 17, 2018 8:52 AM
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Ok j2t2, I’ll bite. What specifically did Trump do?

I looked up the news of Trump’s impeachment today and didn’t see any!

What exactly did he do to merit this rabid behavior? Be specific so us slow conservatives can digest it. What did he do exactly?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 9:15 AM
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A coup? The coup happened when Russian interference in the election helped install their candidate in the White House.

It is an incredibly dangerous situation. Our allies can not trust us. Everything Trump does seems to be calculated to advance Russia’s self-interest, in general through the break down of the EU and NATO; to break apart the international system of alliances promoting democracy and human rights, and then replacing it with a fragmented landscape in which each country pursues only its own self-interest. In Russia’s case, that self-interest is the unification of Russian ethnic groups under a nationalistic and ever expanding Russian border.

What can be done? The GOP is too compromised to act.

As I have said many times, it will come down to the midterms and the Mueller investigation. DNI Coats has repeated his warning that the US is under attack right now, and the IC expects more attacks on the midterm elections.
The Mueller investigation is moving fast, and it has successfully spread its investigations to the state of NY and, now, the DOJ security division, but will that be enough?

The DOJ arrested Maria Butina for Conspiracy to Defraud the United States and failing to register as a lobbyist for Russia; in other words, she was a spy. Butina works for a Russian oligarch, Alexander Thorsin, who I have also mentioned before. Thorsin and Butina pretend to front a Russian right to bear arms group & movement in Russia- except, there is no such thing in Russia. They have used this to penetrate the NRA, and from there, the GOP. Two US citizens are named in the indictment, but their names are under seal.

Donald Trump Jr. is believed to be one of them.

At a 2015 conference, Trump asked the audience for questions, and picked Marina Butina. She asked about lifting Russian sanctions. That is one heck of a coincidence.

So as for a coup, it will only happen through impeachment. The United States is in a dangerous, vulnerable spot. The Commander-in-Chief is either compromised by the Russians, or a Russian asset.

Posted by: phx8 at July 17, 2018 11:46 AM
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Let’s get on it then, phx8! Impeach Trump! Go for it! You act like you just got all you need in that press conference. Do it! Put your money where your big mouth is.

I’m scouring the news outlets to see the headlines telling us Trump is being impeached. I don’t see them. What’s up with that, phx8? After that devastating and blatant display of treason during that presser, what on God’s green earth is keeping you guys?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 1:46 PM
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Your big mouth spouts treason for months now, phx8, but you haven’t iterated one single specific crime Trump committed.

What? Is your warrant going to start with “I think…”?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 1:47 PM
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Based on how you guys are acting, it should start with “I’ll bet.. “.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 1:49 PM
Comment #429089

A few million dollars worth of memes targeting different individuals, groups and messages, installed Trump in the White House.

But 1+ billion dollars and a pro-Hillary MSM couldn’t get Hillary in the White House.

You guys do know that all your lies and hyperbole can be easily be researched online, don’t you?

Posted by: kctim at July 17, 2018 2:01 PM
Comment #429090

Mueller should take up Putin’s offer concerning this Brouder guy. If he’s interested in prosecuting the 12 indicted Russians, a little give and take could make it happen.

Pull out all the stops, phx8. Impeach Trump!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 2:59 PM
Comment #429091

“We are not a safer nation now that Trump is in office in fact just the opposite is true.”

Once again our Pal j2t2 displays his lack of knowledge or quest for truth. President Trump is directly responsible for our military being funded with over $700 billion while the previous administration reduced funding.

President Trump is directly responsible for our NATO allies spending an additional $41 billion on their own military.

Due to the weakness of Obama, or his perceived collusion with Russian, Putin was able to invade Crimea and Ukraine; and build military bases in Syria.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 17, 2018 3:16 PM
Comment #429094

“The coup happened when Russian interference in the election helped install their candidate in the White House.”

Now comes the outright lies by phx8. Usually he just fudges truth, but now he is so desperate he simply makes shit up.

The DOJ statement contained in the indictment of some Russians clearly stated that no American citizen was involved and no election result was affected.

Our Liberal Pals believe they smell “blood in the water” with the recent firestorm over President Trump’s meeting with Putin. What they are smelling is the fear oozing from their own pores. They see their political power slipping away. No one endorses their vision of Socialism and bondage for the country and our citizens.

Americans embrace freedom and Liberty. President Trump has insured we will continue to be a great nation, operating under the original intent of the constitution, and justice will prevail.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 17, 2018 3:29 PM
Comment #429097

“The DOJ statement contained in the indictment of some Russians clearly stated that no American citizen was involved and no election result was affected.”


Read it again. It says THAT particular indictment does not make allegations against any Americans, which it does not- at least not by name. It does NOT say there will be no allegations in the future. The investigation is continuing, NOT shutting down.

As for whether the Russian attack affected the outcome of the election, it is highly doubtful the Mueller investigation will make that determination. It is a criminal investigation, not a critique on the effectiveness of psyops.

Candidate “I love Wikileaks” Trump referred to Wikileaks over 130 times in the month before the election. Trump certainly thought it would affect the outcome. And the Cambridge Analytica piece is still being looked at.

At first, the claim was that there was NO contact between the Trump campaign and the Russians.


That was a lie. There were dozens, which is extraordinary in itself. And among all those meetings and e-mails and calls, not one- NOT ONE- member of the Trump campaign contacted the FBI. In every case, the Trump people were ready and willing to collude. The willingness to commit a crime and undermine democracy falls on Trump and his campaign. Not Obama. Not Hillary Clinton. Trump.

Trump has a long history with the Russians. Most likely, he was compromised by the Russians @2008, when he went bankrupt and the Russians needed a money launderer. No American bank would loan to Trump. The Russians had money, but no way to launder it- and the best ways to launder money are through real estate. They were a perfect match.

Posted by: phx8 at July 17, 2018 3:51 PM
Comment #429099

Two statements by phx8. See if you can spot the hypocrisy.

“The coup happened when Russian interference in the election helped install their candidate in the White House.”


“As for whether the Russian attack affected the outcome of the election, it is highly doubtful the Mueller investigation will make that determination.”

What are we to conclude regarding the comments by phx8?

He is adrift in inner conflict and turmoil. He is truth challenged. He has no believe-ability. He makes shit up.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 17, 2018 4:04 PM
Comment #429104

“Trump people were ready and willing to collude.”

I challenge phx8 to give us facts, or apologize.

Obviously, he doesn’t have any facts. And, I don’t expect this narcissist to ever admit he is a liar.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 17, 2018 4:24 PM
Comment #429106

All of them, phx8, j2t2, ohrealy, have been talking out their asses since the Trump started running. One knee jerk fantasy after another has fallen by the wayside from these guys. They’re here for filler, I guess. Fodder to keep us dumb, conservative, racists occupied.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 5:05 PM
Comment #429107

Think about it!

They’re always the first to comment, poisoning the entire thread with their propaganda and lies and insinuations. Then they keep it up throughout the life of the thread, desperately trying to change the subject the whole time.

They’re aggregate in the tumbler, polishing to a beautiful luster, the gems we know as conservatives.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 5:10 PM
Comment #429108

I think Trump had a good tour thru Europe. This year he has visited with heads of state in China, NK and Europe. The man has more energy than most people by far.

The summit with Putin went very well and will serve the President well in future dealings with the Kremlin.

He did screw up on his response as to to whether Putin had interfered with the last election. Not a big deal as the world is aware that Putin interferes with a number of elections around the world. The President’s response to the question wouldn’t change Putin going forward. Neither will Mitch McConnell’s ‘don’t do that anymore’ statement.

Putin responds to actions and I see where the NSA and Cyber Group are joining hands in preparation for the next election. Now, that will get Putin’s attention.

I like the fact that NATO is beefing up by some billions. Also, NATO defenses in the north lands have received some mean weaponry of late. Baltic defenses forces have been reinforced. Trump knocked off some 200 Ruskie mercenaries not to long ago. Putin won’t try that one again.

So, we will sit back and wait to see what Putin will do now. Just like we are waiting to see what NK will do now. That’s where we are at and I’m very comfortable with that scenario.

Actions speak louder than words, and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 17, 2018 5:14 PM
Comment #429109

When, ever, have we been able to know what Trump is going to do next? He made it clear he won’t telegraph his intentions. I agreed with that. I think, to be honest, this misspoken word, was intentional and the correction was for U.S. consumption only.
If you start 40 min. into the event you can view the context in which the word was used, and I don’t think Trump misspoke considering his entire statement.
I think Trump previously assured Putin this was a partisan issue in the U.S. and won’t affect foreign policy. I also think he issued the correction to appease the reaction here at home.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 5:37 PM
Comment #429110

..but what do I know? I’m just a dumb, conservative, alt-right, nazi! Right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 5:50 PM
Comment #429111

yeah, I can’t understand what Trumps mindset was when he let Putin off the hook. One could postulate on it forever. The most prevalent thought is that he didn’t won’t to do/say anything that would cause Putin to change his think on the summit based on bad vibes over the meddling issue. Next in line would be that perhaps Trump was ‘dog tired’ and just mispoke. But, wouldn’t he have gone right behind the statement and corrected it?

It just seems like he said what he intended to say and that is mind numbing to most. Likely we won’t know until some years after his second term.

Fer shure the communist news network and other Trump hater’s will be analyzing his every word from here forward looking for another ‘great moment’.

Can we imagine that Trump will ‘have to watch his words’?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 17, 2018 7:07 PM
Comment #429112

Trump knows exactly what he is doing.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2018 8:59 PM
Comment #429113

Very possible, WW, time will tell.

Wow. If you didn’t catch Hannity tonite you missed a ‘one in a life time’ show. If you can, catch the 1pm broadcast.

This great conspiracy put together by the Obama admin is going to come front and center over the next few months.

I’m hopeful Hannity and some of his coharts will run for Pres and other high offices when Trumps time is done.

‘The truth will set you free’

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 17, 2018 9:21 PM
Comment #429114

IMO Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He successfully got the left loonies back on the Russia garbage. It will be the lefts talking points for the next few months.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 17, 2018 10:49 PM
Comment #429162
Once again our Pal j2t2 displays his lack of knowledge or quest for truth. President Trump is directly responsible for our military being funded with over $700 billion while the previous administration reduced funding.

Talk about lack of knowledge Royal why do you insist that the more we spend the safer we are? Why is the military budget free from corruption, the “deep state” conspiracy and spent wisely in contrast to the rest of the federal budget?

To think we can have a CiC that was owned by Putin and we can buy our way out of trouble by spending more on the military is absolutely foolish. The Russians have cyber attacked our democratic process and Trump doesn’t know if it was them or not. He allowed them to get off the hook and will strengthen them more than any military budget. Our Intelligence and Security branches have been weakened by Trump being Putin’s bitch. Trump has weakened our allies in NATO and strengthened our biggest adversary.

I guess the best way to answer stupid -

This great conspiracy put together by the Obama admin is going to come front and center over the next few months.

is with more stupid-

One knee jerk fantasy after another has fallen by the wayside from these guys. They’re here for filler, I guess. Fodder to keep us dumb, conservative, racists occupied.

The issue here isn’t how conservatives have such cognitive dissonance that they cannot think for themselves but how they allow themselves to be so mislead by conservative propaganda they cannot reason at all. Mislead to the point they blame others not the conservative propaganda that has them believing in some deep state conspiracy to get rid of Trump after the fact!

So the Obama administration in league wih the “deep state” knew Trump would win the primaries and then the election so they planned out this massive conspiracy to get rid of Trump after he was elected. Considering it is Hannity fooling you guys one can only ask how many times does he have to be proven wrong…think Seth Rich…before you guys realize he is playing with your weak minds?

Meanwhile the extremist right wing is “making America great again”

I don’t know kctim it feels like Germany 1931 to me. The far right is talking about a civil war because… Trump, The violence at nationalist rallies reminds one of the sturmabteilung. Conservatives are violently upset because they cannot heckle anyone they choose, or as we say today, and are anti-PC. You guys are backing far right Russia while verbally attacking our democratic allies around the world.

You guys tell us you are the victims of minority and immigrant suppression! Only Trump can fix it and restore our freedom to return to the 3/5ths of a person days the founding fathers enshrined into the constitution. Meanwhile our peaceful allies are being insulted while our president bows down to an oligarch that rules his country by using the same tactics conservatives are using, voter suppression, attacking the free press and poisoning the minds of otherwise decent people with massive amounts of conservative propaganda.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 18, 2018 11:54 AM
Comment #429163

Yep, filler.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 18, 2018 1:05 PM
Comment #429164

Your pure unadulterated hate is attacking your common sense and clouding your judgement. Where do you come up with that crap?

Your supposedly “extremist right wing” is right where it was placed long ago, out on the fringe. That is why their ‘rally’ is only going to draw a few hundred people. For decades they have met, read their speeches, and then went home.
If not for the MSM trying desperately to falsely link them to Republicans and Conservatives, we wouldn’t even know about their little ‘rally.’

The violence today lies entirely at the feet of leftist groups like antifa, blm, bam etc…, who show up and destroy property and physically attack people, in order to silence free speech.

You guys have not yet pi$$ed-off the actual right enough for them to be ‘violently upset.’ But you are getting very close. You guys keep encouraging violence against those who simply disagree with you and sooner or later you are going to push the majority into pushing back. You guys keep embracing those leftist hate groups and it’s going to going to happen sooner rather than later.

Illegal aliens are a danger and a burden on the country.
The 3/5ths nonsense is all in your head. Nobody has said such a thing.
Your comparisons of the American right to fascism and Russia is ridiculous.
Voter ID suppresses nobody.
The free press is under no attack.

IF any of it were true, you would cite actual examples rather than parrot talking-points.

Posted by: kctim at July 18, 2018 1:06 PM
Comment #429166

We all know that the comments by j2t2 and phx8 are merely for entertainment. They write, we laugh.

The RNC has raised nearly $212 million in campaign funds and has no debt. The pitiful DNC has not raised even half that amount and has substantial debt.

Money doesn’t buy elections; but does help in getting out our conservative message and answering all the lies being told by Dems.

I have repeatedly listed actions taken against Russia by President Trump. Along comes our resident clown calling these factual actions…”conservative propaganda.”

Ask j2t2 about all Obama did to curb Russian ambitions and he will write…about words Obama has uttered. No action, just words. Words like…”Tell Vlad I’ll have more flexibility after the election.”

OH…WAIT; I forgot Obama’s action of drawing an imaginary “RED LINE” over Syria. Putin rubbed out the line with the toe of his boot while Obama whimpered on the golf course.

Our Liberal Pals are no long just pathetic lemmings following their Party leaders over the cliff. They are now…actually entertaining.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 18, 2018 2:36 PM
Comment #429169
Our Liberal Pals are no long just pathetic lemmings following their Party leaders over the cliff. They are now…actually entertaining.

Projecting again Royal. But don’t believe me here it is according to your conservative hero. Seems to me you have lost your way Royal along with your credibility. But hey it has been entertaining to watch you guys project,obfuscate, deny and lie to protect Putin/Trump.

The party of the wealthy, the fascist and the oligarchs has raised more money the the dems! What a surprise, but…hey…doesn’t that tell you something Royal? Please don’t tell us you actually believe the repub trickle down stuff Royal… talk about entertaining…

Posted by: j2t2 at July 18, 2018 3:16 PM
Comment #429170

Wow…now j2t2 is a shill for “The Washington Post”. He linked to them, but they charge a dollar to read the article. My guess is that j2t2 gets half of the dollar.

Hey j2t2, please tell us why Obama allowed Putin to kick sand in his face over the “red line”. What a wimp.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 18, 2018 3:26 PM
Comment #429171

Has anyone noticed the left doesn’t care a hoot about the Koch brothers now that they’ve denied support to Trump?

Those evil two aren’t so evil any more, are they?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 18, 2018 4:00 PM
Comment #429172

Still no impeachment proceedings on the hill! What’s up, guys? Are they dotting the Is and crossing the Ts? What’s keeping them? All that bluster and pearl clutching, old ladies passing, because of Trump’s treason! Where’s the beef?!

It’s starting to appear that the left is all mouth. Like a baby that had it’s pacifier taken away from him. All flash and no pan. Or, in the words of the wise and virtuous Upchuck Schumer, all cattle and no hat.

Oh, you know what I mean.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 18, 2018 4:08 PM
Comment #429189

Wow Hats off to Royal and Weary, you guys are setting records for throwing out diversions and projections. Maybe its your sparkling personality Royal that causes them to charge you a buck to read the paper. But hey here is another link, this one may not charge you so much Royal. Kinda surprising how you use to link to George Will so often in the past and all of a sudden…

Here are a few quotes from George Will from the WaPo link for you Royal
“America’s child president had a play date with a KGB alumnus, who surely enjoyed providing day care.”

“The world, however, saw in Helsinki something more grave — ongoing collusion between Trump, now in power, and Russia.”

Kctim, Let me get this straight “the actual right”! Trumps rabid supporters are the same people holding these rallies, they are the right and they are trying to unite you guys.The presidents base is the mainstream right wing now. I don’t know whether to laugh at the “actual right” because you are now so exclusive or to laugh at the “actual right” because you are in denial. But remember when you use the term leftist for everybody to the left of center you don’t get to be so selective with those on the right. Talk about talking points,LOL.

Weary, careful what you wish for, we need Trump to stick around the full 4 years. America deserves him. We have earned it as we slide into banana republic status in the world. Those that voted for him need a full dose of stupid IMHO, better than going to school.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 18, 2018 7:54 PM
Comment #429190

Looking forward to the destruction of your own country. How desperate are you guys!?

What happened to G. Will? Is he still alive?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 18, 2018 7:58 PM
Comment #429191

You guys! Weary, he is a conservatives conservative ask Royal. He is saddened to see what has become of our country since Trump and the repubs have taken control of all 3 branches of the government. He is especially disappointed in Trump for his words and deeds in Helsinki.

Me I am just amazed Putin didn’t post pictures on Facebook on Trump bl**ing him. But then why would he when he has the sitting American president doing his bidding. Now were the roles reversed do you get the idea Trump would have already posted the pictures?

I realized you are blinded to anything said about Trump that isn’t high praise, just like Trump himself, but when George Will wrote what he did about a right wing president is …just amazing.

Royal before you try blaming Obama for Trumps utter failure please know it is such a desperate thought and you are wasting your time.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM
Comment #429202

Sorry J2, but the people holding these rallies are the fringe, not Trumps base, not Republicans, not Conservatives. That is why only a few people show up. It’s been that way for a long time now.
Fringe or not though, they have the right to free speech and they have exercised that right peacefully in the past. The only reason it isn’t like that today is because leftists are engaging in violence and destruction in order to silence free speech. That is wrong.

As for the term ‘leftists,’ I actually do my best to differentiate between leftists and actual democrats. In fact, if you were to look at my past postings, you would see me doing exactly that in my writings about how leftists have taken over the party, how that is hurting actual democrats at the ballot box, and how dangerous that is for the country and our way of life.

Posted by: kctim at July 19, 2018 8:26 AM
Comment #429214

Wow, what a gentlemen j2t2 is. He found a free link and gave up his 50 cent gratuity.

Here’s a quote from his link…”Will has frequently criticized Trump and the Republican Party throughout Trump’s presidency. In June, he called for voters to vote out the GOP in the upcoming midterm elections.”

j2t2 is proud to have found a “never Trumper”. Gosh, I could have saved him some time. Perhaps he would like the names of some other RHINO “never Trumpers”. A few names come to mind.

John McCain and all the Bushies.

You hang onto your delusion that the Democrats are doing well and will win power back j2t2. I do not wish to be responsible for crushing your hallucinations which may cause you to harm yourself.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2018 3:33 PM
Comment #429215

Today, am hearing that President Trump is inviting Putin for a summer visit.

That could be a reason for the President to get thru the summit without driving Putin into a corner over his dastardly deeds. Sounds like the President is offering to work with Putin on a ‘reset’ or new start.

In hind sight, it’s clear to me that the President didn’t mispeak at the summit. He was not telling the truth as he wanted to make sure he didn’t upset Putin and preferably gain a positive response from Putin on a summer visit.

Trump has said numerous time that Putin meddeled in the elections and has been doing so for ions. He didn’t misspeak at the summit. Only rational left is that he lied to ensure Putin would have no reason to turn down a proposed visit.

More than likely that the trip was discussed during their 2 hour private interlude. Seems a crude way to handle the situation. Perhaps the President and Putin were just jerking the press around. Any/everything is possible with this President, IMO.

Now, fer shure, it’s just like with NK, gotta wait and see what Putin does with the opportunity. The dims/msm/trump haters should have a field day with that.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 19, 2018 3:37 PM
Comment #429222

From the House hearing with Lisa Page and Peter Strzok it is confirmed that she and Strzok were referring to the Special Counsel/Truump investigation when Strzok commented ‘there is no there, there’. As in Strzok knew it was a ‘witch hunt’ before signing on to the special counsel.

Also clear that Strzok was called out by the IG report for doing and improper investigation of Hil’s server. Strzok showed no interest in acquiring or investigating the 30k lost emails on the sever.

Also, a Clinton hired contractor produced multiple documents re Trump’s wrongdoing and each was routed to the FBI thru a different source and used to seed news articles about Trump.

A drip here and a drop there, it will all come out over the next year or so. Clapper, Brennan and several in the Obama admin will be called on the carpet. They are hoping they can hang it long enough to escape under statue of limitations, destroyed evidence and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 19, 2018 7:38 PM
Comment #429236

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Posted by: gmail account login at July 20, 2018 4:04 AM
Comment #429251

Still no impeachment proceedings! What’ keeping you, phx8? You were so sure… What happened?

Perhaps you were just having a tantrum. You know, it’s when a child doesn’t get his way and starts screaming, and basically making a little ass out of themselves? After a while they get tired and just stop. Hey! That’s exactly what happened here!

That’s what happened after the summit!!! Little baby Democratics had their temper tantrum. They made some faux grievance, then cry and whine thinking someone will take up their cause.

Sorry, phx8. The adults in the room know how to respond to spoiled crybabies. THEY IGNORE THEM!

Bu Bye

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Comment #429274

Weary give it time the light just came on for many on the right

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Comment #429280

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