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​Treasury Department Inspector General Launches Investigation of Possible Porn-Star-Lawyer-Related Leak!!

You can leak sensitive diplomatic information, like a newly elected President Trump’s phone call with the Australian Prime Minister. You can leak juicy if not very reliable details on in-fighting in the West Wing. You can leak questions that a special prosecutor has supposedly lined up for the President. You can even leak a rather absurd counter-intelligence investigation document - like a DNC-funded Steele dossier used by the FBI - if you believe it will make this administration’s policy decisions look bad. Or get the President impeached by stoking up the Russia collusion narrative.

But you don’t leak Treasury Department information.


This seems to be an emerging conclusion gleaned from, oddly enough, the smugly radical Daily Beast, who unlike The Hill and other left-of-center sites - are actually reporting front and center on a possible investigation being launched by Treasury's Inspector General (how many IG's in toto are there in D.C.? Do they have a club they dine at??). It concerns the release of the contents of a Suspicious Activity Report (or SAR) to the media. Needless to say, Stormy Daniels's lawyer Michael Avenatti has been publicly flouting information that suggests Michael Cohen was paid by a Russian oligarch; information which was apparently part of a Treasury Department SAR. As the article's author, Kate Briquelet, writes:

Experts told The Daily Beast the level of detail in Avenatti's report suggests he obtained Treasury documents that only the agency's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) had access to or which were requested by law enforcement--such as the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, which has been investigating Cohen for months, reportedly eyeing the Trump stalwart for possible bank fraud, wire fraud, and campaign-finance violations.

"I think somebody from the SDNY is leaking," said Robert Barnes, a Las Vegas-based trial attorney who's taken Avenatti to task on Twitter. "The degree to which Avenatti had details implicates them badly."

Barnes pointed out that Avenatti was reportedly spotted dining with former Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in late March. He added that Cohen could potentially sue Avenatti for invasion of privacy by illegal disclosure of banking information.

Robert Barnes goes on to say that it was either someone on Mueller's team or someone with the Southern District of New York - perhaps a prosecutor with that District Court? - who leaked the contents of the SAR. That seems to have been an illegal act. As well, Michael Cohen's lawyer Stephen Ryan claims that some of the wire transfers detailed in the SAR involve another Michael Cohen who is Canadian or yet another Michael Cohen who is Israeli or who lives in Israel. Does this confusion sound familiar? Remember the Prague meeting that the Michael Cohen was accused of being a party to?

So now we have another series of supposed facts, shrouded in mystery over which Michael Cohen might have been the recipient of which financial transfer that may have come from someone called Viktor Vekselberg.a very wealthy Russian oligarch with apparent ties to Putin. There's something for everyone here:

An illegal leak by prosecutors on either Mueller's team or from the SDNY the nature and form of which will enrage Trump supporters.
Possible financial links between a Trump confidant and Russian oligarchs.
A porn star and her loud mouthed lawyer.
It matters, or it may matter. And yet it's also ridiculous. But we have more of this to look forward to. And we now have yet another IG launching an investigation. Oh yay. Maybe the best summary of the Cohen payments scenario are the following words by Adam Smith, communications director for Every Voice, a liberal organization:

Washington is still Washington, and it was Washington before Trump got here, but they have been willing to say the quiet part out loud. Nobody talked about that. One of the differences is that they are just more blatant and open about the corruption.

Or perhaps more transparent in their unique blustering way. Wise words from Adam Smith.

Posted by AllardK at May 11, 2018 11:48 AM
Comments
Comment #426836

Avenatti had no business looking into Cohen’s bank records and should have known better then to blab it all over the media no matter how he got ahold of them. IMO he is a pretty stupid lawyer for doing what he did and whatever repercussions he gets from his huge mistake are warranted.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 11, 2018 2:39 PM
Comment #426837

Anyone who thinks Michael Avenatti is just Stormy Daniels lawyer hasn’t done their research. He knows how to do research. Remember, “Essential Consultants” is only one shell company that they’re looking into right now. Dumpty has about 400 registered in Delaware alone. They’re a way for money to “pass through”.

“One of the differences is that they are just more blatant and open about the corruption.”

Maybe the guy at the top is just proud of being corrupt. Anyone who works for or with him will regret it sooner or later.

Some of this investigation goes back to things that weren’t a priority after 911. Mueller is catching up on what he didn’t have time for back then.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 11, 2018 3:11 PM
Comment #426840

Avenatti is representing a Po*n star and had no business getting into Cohen’s banking records. Those records have no bearing on the Stormy case. As far as anyone being corrupt ohrealy, your side has it’s share of corrupt dealings just like the Republicans do. To make your side out as lily white angels is pure BULLS**T. Mueller is catching up on nothing, he has nothing, he never did and if you think the stuff Avenatti got a hold of will be used think again if it is proved it was gotten illegally. Mueller may have been able to use it if it can be proved it had something to do with Russian collusion but if it was leaked to Avenatti I don’t think so.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 11, 2018 3:48 PM
Comment #426842

To think they used to get away with stuff like this. If they’re so blatantly obvious with what they’re doing, how do we know this isn’t standard operating procedure in years past when the media was a one way street?

With it standing out in the open, it’s like they believe it’s normal to do these things. Leak and stand back to see the fireworks. Did the media’s one way street of days gone by manufacture the face of the truth using tactics like this?

Imagine always having to listen, but never being able to respond, to phx8’s comments. That’s what the one-way media of the 70s-90s and into the 21st century may very well have been like! Nothing but what they wanted you to hear, constantly, never contradicting the establishment or status quo.

Thank God for President Trump’s twitter account. Without it we would have another defenseless Bush on our hands, or so it would appear.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2018 4:12 PM
Comment #426843

“Avenatti is representing a Po*n star and had no business getting into Cohen’s banking records.”

Oh yes he does.

“Those records have no bearing on the Stormy case.”

Oh yes they do.

“As far as anyone being corrupt ohrealy, your side has it’s share of corrupt dealings just like the Republicans do. To make your side out as lily white angels is pure BULLS**T. Mueller is catching up on nothing, he has nothing, he never did…”

Issa issued more subpoenas against the Obama administration than the previous three chairs of the House Oversight Committee combined. The result? Zero indictments.

Hillary Clinton was investigated by 8 committees over 4 years for Benghazi. The result? Zero indictments.

Hillary Clinton’s e-mail was investigated for two years. The result? Zero indictments.

The Russian investigation has been going on for just over one year. The result? 23 indictments and counting.

The indictments (and some guilty pleas) include:

A National Security Advisor
The Trump Campaign Manager
The Trump Deputy Campaign Manager
Two foreign policy advisors
A lawyer connected to a Russian oligarch
An identity thief
13 Russians
3 Russian corporations

Avenatti is a shark. He is very good at publicizing his case in the public court, and he has been running rings around Trump, Cohen, the Trump legal team, and Sean Hannity. His case is of interest because it is exposing more about Trump administration corruption sooner, but this is NOT the main event. The Russian probe is what matters.

The most interesting part of the Avenatti material was not the garden variety corruption of Cohen, or AT&T, or Novartis, or KAI, which has proven to be hilariously bad at lying, although to give credit where credit is due- or blame- but when it comes to corruption, Cohen really hit the ground running.

The interesting part is with Columbus Nova. The Russian oligarch, Viktor Vekselberg, is one of the richest men in Russia, worth 13 billion. Until recently, Columbus Nova was a subsidiary of Vekselber’s company, Renova. Vekselberg put $500,000 into Cohen’s pocket through his cousin at Columbus Nova. Why?

Vekselberg also gave $250,000 to the Trump inauguration and attended it with Cohen. Why would a Russian oligarch do that?

Vekselberg was the biggest shareholder of the Bank of Cyprus, a bank notorious for laundering Russian money. Guess who was one of the top executives of the Bank of Cyprus? Wilbur Ross, Secretary of Commerce. Guess where Paul Manafort laundered his money? Yep. The Bank of Cyprus.

There are additional connections between Vekselberg and Kushner, as well as Flynn.

Things are getting hot for the crooks and traitors, but remember, as good as he may be, and as entertaining as he may be, Avenatti is kind of a side show. He and the rest of us are literally months behind the Mueller investigation.

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2018 4:27 PM
Comment #426844
He and the rest of us are literally months behind the Mueller investigation. Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2018 4:27 PM
Mueller is cleaning up some matters that he didn’t have time for when he was FBI director. Once they crack the rest of the shell companies, Dumpty is a fried egg.

In other news:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-10/merkel-says-europe-can-t-count-on-u-s-military-umbrella-anymore

This article is pretty funny, with Macron getting the Charlemagne award in Aachen. Macron seems to be taking over as leader of the Free World and leader of Europe. He’s going to face more problems at home for that award though.

Posted by: ohrealy at May 11, 2018 4:52 PM
Comment #426845

Avenatti is another Al Sharpton who owes MILLIONS to the IRS. phx8 if Avenatti had any reason to get Cohen’s bank records why then didn’t he do it the legal way instead of through a leak? It’s because he couldn’t legally because the Stormy case is a civil case NOT a Criminal case. He had no business looking into Cohen’s bank records and by getting them through leaks proves that. Keep up the good work phx8 your track record is getting worse then congress’.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 11, 2018 4:57 PM
Comment #426846

If the left knows for a fact that Trump is a traitor, then Mueller has to have the facts that prove he is a traitor.
Why is Mueller allowing a traitor to remain the President?

What will the left do to the country if Mueller says ‘nothing to prove collusion?’

Posted by: kctim at May 11, 2018 4:59 PM
Comment #426847

“A lawyer connected to a Russian oligarch
An identity thief
13 Russians
3 Russian corporations”

We’re Laughing at you phx8. Any idea when those indicted will show up in court? OH, Wait…one company has and Mueller told the judge they weren’t ready to go to trial. Will be dismissed.

Some fools are….just fools.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2018 5:01 PM
Comment #426849

“What will the left do to the country if Mueller says ‘nothing to prove collusion?’”

It is possible. Mueller will be thorough and meticulous. He is conducting a criminal investigation, which means there is a high bar, and it could involve the president, the Republican National Committee, the NRA, and lot of other people. The bar does not get much higher than that.

There is a difference between that bar, and the bar the rest of us use to make political judgments, and judgments about right and wrong.

Most people believe the investigation will result in a report to Congress re Trump. Others face criminal jeopardy. In a federal criminal investigation there are targets, subjects, and witnesses. Usually targets are not interviewed. As far as we know, Mueller has not interviewed Trump Jr., Ivanka, or Roger Stone. Kushner was interviewed early on about financial matters.

All of the indictments and guilty pleas to date have avoided revealing anything about collusion (we really should refer to it as conspiracy to violate campaign laws, since collusion is not a legal term). We don’t know for certain where the Russian probe is going. But we can make a good guess, because every time someone shakes a tree on the White House lawn, a Russian falls out.

Everything Trump does reeks of guilt. He has been compromised by the Russians.

In general terms, this is a Gambino style roll-up. It is the kind of investigation used for organized crime, especially money laundering. The Trump organization relies on lots of cash transactions in real estate and shell corporations, and even c*sinos at one point, classic vehicles for money laundering. Crooks can hide a lot of things, but for all their cleverness, criminals can not hide the money trail if federal investigators want to trace it badly enough.

It takes time. Remember, we are only a little over a year into this.

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2018 5:38 PM
Comment #426850

I find it amusing, and certainly encouraging, that the Dimocrats have managed to drop sixteen points in generic polling for the mid-term elections.

Despite the constant, daily drum-beat by media, top Dim politicians and operatives, regarding the President conspiring with Russians, hand-wringing over illegals, moaning over tax cuts, the end of US participation in the Paris Climate agreement and the Iran nuclear “deal”, Republican candidates now poll evenly with Dims.

Please tell us more about the “blue wave”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 11, 2018 5:45 PM
Comment #426851

Tell us more about that audit of Trump’s taxes that was going on throughout the campaign. What happened with that? Is it done? I don’t care, but if it is and nothing was there, then phx8 wet dream of money laundering isn’t happening.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 11, 2018 5:49 PM
Comment #426852

WW,
Trump continues to refuse to release his taxes to the public; however, it is a lock that Mueller has them.

RF,
Personally, I don’t put a lot of stock in polls taken this far in front of midterms, especially generic polls. Do I think there will be a blue wave? Yes. But it is normal for midterms to see the party in the White House lose seats, especially in the House. Special election results and Trump’s approval rating also make a blue wave likely. Still, there is a lot that can happen.

Mueller could come out with announcements about the probe. So could the SDNY.

Health care premiums will likely rise dramatically.

The Middle East seems to be growing more unstable by the day. Next week, the US will move its embassy to Jerusalaem. That could start riots. The Iranians have every incentive to go after the US and Israel. Higher oil prices help them. Higher oil prices also help the Russians, and with the announcements by Trump that the US would be leaving Syria soon, that could be a real flash point.

The potential for a trade war remains.

Something might go wildly right.
Something unexpected and unforeseeable today might turn up. Trump caught a break when the North Korean underground nuclear testing facility caved in. Maybe the North Koreans will really and truly turn over a new leaf. Probably not, but we can always hope for another lucky break.

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2018 7:00 PM
Comment #426853

According to Avenatti, Cohen was making large payments from Essential Consulting to Demeter Direct. Why?

It is a Korean company.

The initials DD could also stand for David Dennison, Trump’s alias. Who knows? Stand by!

Posted by: phx8 at May 11, 2018 7:20 PM
Comment #426854

phx8, Pay to play is nothing new and that is what all this Cohen BS is all about. Hillary’s people did it, Obama’s people did it but when someone associated with Trump or any other Republican it become an issue. Now with Avenatti and all his Tax evasion dealings coming to light IMO he better start to lawyer up and Stormy better find herself another sucker ambulance chaser to represent her. The Mueller probe has nothing and that is why he wants Trump to face him so that he can catch him in a possible perjury trap. SDNY might get something on Cohen but that is on Cohen not Trump.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 11, 2018 7:20 PM
Comment #426855

Demeter Direct is a consulting firm for business’ going into the international market, phx8. Not hard to find out with a google search. Maybe Cohen’s business wanted to test the international markets.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 11, 2018 7:28 PM
Comment #426865

Wow all the “drain the swamp” yokels singing a different tune now! Amazing how far you guys can bend over for Trump, the level of hypocrisy is astounding, from the “well they did it to” to the “it’s the media, it’s the media” excuses for the “drain the Swamp” administration.

There has to be a low bar someplace guys, there just has to be a point where you will stop , think about it for a moment, and realize you have been chumped…er.umm.. Trumped.

The logic alone is astounding in its yokelness. Lets elect a businessman who while campaigning told us he bribed most of those on stage with him to drain the swamp! The same guy who at the time was involved in a scam with his Trump U business! While criticizing Hillary for being corrupt! Yep the yoke is on all of you guys who voted for and to this day support Trump.

Did you really believe he meant he would stop the corruption of our elected officials when he said “drauin the swamp”! NO he meant he, his family, his loyal cabinet, his Russian oligarchs and his lawyers would drain the resources of the swamp.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 12, 2018 10:23 AM
Comment #426866

Re Demeter Direct: It is a Korean food company headed by Mark Ko. According to Ko, “… I was brought in as business consultant and translator between Michael Cohen and Korea Aerospace Industries.”

KAI paid the shell company Essential Consulting $150,000 for advice on compliance with global accounting standards.

I can not tell what the truth is, but these stories do not add up. Cohen is not an account, unless “global accounting standards” is a euphemism for money laundering. And with a world of expertise to choose from, a head of a food company is in tough with Trump’s personal lawyer on behalf of KAI because… ?

KAP,
Why would you say Mueller has nothing? He has already indicted and received guilty pleas from Trump’s National Security Advisor, Campaign Manager, Deputy Campaign Manager, and others. How bad does it have to get?

j2t2,
There is not bottom for Trump supporters. No low is too low. They keep falling and falling.

A pay-off to a p*rn star having an affair with Donald Trump 11 days before the election?

No problem.

Multiple indictments, including the Trump campaign manager, and guilty pleas from the National Security Advisor and Deputy campaign manger?

Nope. Don’t care.

Constant bragging about his wealth, yet refusing to release his taxes?

Wouldn’t want to pry, now would we.

$25 million settlement for a fraud case?

Glad that’s over!

I mean, this stuff goes on and on. And now they’re asking for the Mueller probe to be closed. The demands to investigate the investigators are constant. I’ve never seen anything this bad in my life, not even close, yet Trump supporters still support him. It is worth remembering even Nixon had a 24% approval rating when he resigned, and Bush #43 had a 25% rating when he left office, even as the economy crashed.

Seriously, there is no bar too low for these guys.

Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 11:26 AM
Comment #426867

What is a Forensic Accountant?

https://www.fcpas.org/about-us/what-is-a-forensic-accountant/

Posted by: ohrealy at May 12, 2018 11:42 AM
Comment #426868

phx8, And all those guilty pleas have nothing to do with Russian collusion and election tampering which was the main purpose of the investigation headed by Mueller. That is why he is having problems in the courts right now because of those pleas not having anything to do with the original scope of the investigation. And that is why one judge wants to see the order Rosenstein gave to Mueller. He has a bunch of Russians accused of tampering with our election but good luck getting them here to face charges. You complain that he hasn’t released his tax returns, Yet Madcow Maddow had one of his tax returns showing he paid taxes and made a fool out of Maddow in the process. We get it phx8 you don’t like Trump like a lot of people who thought Obama was incompetent. The problem is phx8 you have nothing concrete only speculations and conspiracy theories which to date have blown up in your face. After a year and a half almost of Trump being in office all you have is old crap that happened long before he was a candidate and the only ones who are keeping the story alive is the liberal talking heads that like you hate Trump.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 12, 2018 12:06 PM
Comment #426871

Demeter D had an office or address in the same building in L A as Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica.

Posted by: Ohrealy at May 12, 2018 12:24 PM
Comment #426872

Ohrealy, are you going to finish your point?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 12, 2018 12:33 PM
Comment #426873

KAP,
Someone is lying to you, and you are believing their lies. Where do you get your information? Don’t be ashamed. Go ahead and say.

“You complain that he hasn’t released his tax returns, Yet Madcow Maddow had one of his tax returns showing he paid taxes and made a fool out of Maddow in the process.”

No one made a fool over Maddow. Most people, including Maddow, believed that return came from Trump. It only showed the 1040- the summary- and not the supporting details from the pages on the rest of the return. It came from 2005, before all the bankruptcies and Trump’s involvements with the Russians.

“… you have nothing concrete only speculations and conspiracy theories which to date have blown up in your face.”

Really? Like what?

“After a year and a half almost of Trump being in office all you have is old crap that happened long before…;”

You mean firing Comey? Meeting with the Russian ambassador and foreign minister the next day in the Oval Office, and telling them ‘the pressure was off.’ Refusing to sanction the Russians until forced to do it by Congress, and then doing the minimum at the latest possible date? Doing nothing whatsoever to safeguard the next election? Denying the Russian interference in the election even happened, and then calling attempts to investigate it a “hoax” and a “witchhunt”? Trump has lied aboutthist at every opportunity, and each time he is caught in a lie, he backs up the goal posts and starts a new train of lies, or just repeats the same lies again and again.

As for what happened long before, it matters, because money laundering for the Russians gives them material for compromise. Trump is treason. It is right there, right before your eyes.

Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 12:39 PM
Comment #426874

phx8, Being lied to, NO!!! Believing the lies, again NO!!! I, unlike you, look for FACTS and don’t jump on the first bit of BULLS**T that comes out of the leftist MSM or some ambulance chaser that has a real problem with the IRS to the tune of over $5 million. phx8 all you have is ASSUMPTIONS, and as the line from Under Siege 2 “Assumption is the mother of all F*** ups”. Like I said all your little conspiracy theories have all blown up in your face and your track record is lower then congress’ approval rate.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 12, 2018 12:54 PM
Comment #426875

2 russian boxers that were on The Apprentice were represented from 8383 Wilshire Blvd at San Vicente, checks were “passing through” there for Cambridge Anaytica, Steve Bannon had his film office there, and a company called Glittering Steel,

https://www.bizapedia.com/de/glittering-steel-llc.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ceocOSLvsCIXwLdKnj9s59wWJzoc4loHqsuWGPR3T5M/edit#gid=0

and Demeter Direct.

Posted by: Ohrealy at May 12, 2018 1:35 PM
Comment #426876

The items on the spreadsheet link to the FEC

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?201606309020104436

Posted by: Ohrealy at May 12, 2018 1:40 PM
Comment #426877

KAP,
You seemed to be very concerned about Avenatti. I could not care less about him. I don’t care whether he is an ambulance chaser or the next Supreme Court justice, and I don’t care if he wins his dispute with the IRS. I also do not care whether Stormy Daniels wins her suits. You know what I care about with them?

Follow the money.

The rest is a distraction. Trump and Cohen paid her $130,000 in hush money 11 days prior to the election. They broke the law.

That’s bad enough, but more importantly, a lot of money flowed into the Cohen shell company. We know $130,000 went to Stormy Daniels. Where did the rest of the money go?

This is a matter of forensic accounting. The prosecutor on the Mueller team is the best in the world at tracking down money trails. The people at SDNY are very good, too.

Why did a Russian oligarch worth $13 billion give $500,000 to Cohen through a subsidiary? Why did he give $250,000 to the Trump inauguration. Don’t be distracted by personal attacks on the players, and whether Avenatti or Stormy Daniels or Michael Cohen are nice people. Follow the money.

As the former deputy national security advisor, KT McFarland said in an e-mail on 12/19/16:

“If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him.”

Our government came under attack by the Russians. They interfered with the election. They may have put Trump in office.

Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 3:20 PM
Comment #426878

Phx8, Cohen got the money. It’s a pay to play scheme much like Hillary’s when she was secsta. You are barking up a tree that means NOTHING.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 12, 2018 4:42 PM
Comment #426879

Phx8, paying Stormy 130000 is not illegal.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 12, 2018 4:46 PM
Comment #426880

The article about K T McFarland’s E Mail also states they don’t know if she was being sarcastic. You need to research better if you want to be taken seriously phx8.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 12, 2018 4:58 PM
Comment #426881

I think we should hire someone who will gather the most partisan people he knows around him, give him an unlimited budget, and a couple of years, to see if he come up with anything phx8 is talking about.

What do you say, guys? Should we do that?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 12, 2018 5:00 PM
Comment #426882

For many months now the American electorate has been advised, by the media talking heads, that a new scandal regarding President Trump and (take your pick from many) was forthcoming. We would read breathless post from our Liberal Pals on WB that Trump was finally about to be impeached or would resign.

Yawn!

Days later, nothing of substance would be forthcoming and the breathless waiting in anticipation would begin again.

If not for all the imaginary scandals, what would our Libby Pals write about? What are the Dems offering the electorate besides impeaching Trump, open borders, higher taxes, and bowing to Iran?

Already, our Pal phx8 has referred to the possibilities of peace and denuclearization with North Korea as “luck”. Any buffoon knows that “luck” has nothing to do with state-craft in dealing with Tyrants.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 12, 2018 5:00 PM
Comment #426883

phx8, Let me explain something to you. Rich people have lawyers working for them in many areas. Cohen being one of them. They are paid huge retainers for their work and some of that work may be to pay people like Stormy to keep their mouths shut, I don’t think I’d want it out that I just did a po*n star. Those payments come out of those huge retainers, which Mueller probably knows about and that is possibly why he turned it over to SDNY to investigate. As far as the payments from foreign entities, we saw how that worked with Hillary as SECSTA. She had her 2 buddies, much like Cohen, arrange donations thru her foundation except with Cohen it’s his bank account. It’s called a PAY to PLAY. You might also wonder how congressmen and Senators get rich in politics, same way.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 12, 2018 5:33 PM
Comment #426884

“… paying Stormy 130000 is not illegal.”

Doing it 11 days before an election is illegal. It violates election campaign finance law. Either Cohen, Trump, an outside donor, or some combination of all three will legally be on the hook.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected.”
Felix Sater, long time Trump associate

As for pay to play, HRC was accused, but no indictment ever came out of the accusations.

In Cohen’s case, the question is whether there was a quid pro quo. At&T and Novartis both received beneficial meetings after giving Cohen money. Were the meetings contingent on the money they gave Cohen? It looks bad, but those cases are difficult to prove. As for KAI, I have no idea why they gave Cohen money.

And that leaves the Russian oligarch, Vekselberg. There is no explanation that justifies that $500,000 payment to Cohen, or the $250,000 that went to the inauguration. It reeks of treason.

And no, justifying it by saying ‘everybody does it’ will not fly, because no one does that, and they do not do it because it is treasonous.

Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 6:03 PM
Comment #426885
As for KAI, I have no idea why they gave Cohen money. Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 6:03 PM


https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/south-korean-firm-paid-michael-cohen-150000-as-it-sought-contract-from-us-government/2018/05/09/0ae31788-53b7-11e8-abd8-265bd07a9859_story.html?utm_term=.0fe48ad280bd

The South Korean aviation firm that in November paid $150,000 to a shell company run by Michael Cohen, President Trump’s personal attorney, was at the time embroiled in a major corruption scandal and seeking to land a lucrative defense contract from the U.S. government.
Posted by: Ohrealy at May 12, 2018 6:26 PM
Comment #426886

ohrealy,
That makes sense.

The big question is this: what Cohen did with those millions of dollars?

There are explanations for the large amount of money that went to Demeter Direct, but I’m still waiting for the whole story to come together. By the way, my wife is reading “Russian Roulette” and she is raving about it. I will read it next.

Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 6:43 PM
Comment #426887

phx8, I don’t care if it was 11 days or 11 seconds before an election, it’s not illegal if it comes out of some ones own pocket. If that were true paying for a beer or lunch would be a campaign contribution. Your right no indictments came from Hillary’s pay to play game as will with Cohen it’s not illegal to ask a lawyer for advice and corporations like AT&T and all those others look for people close to High government officials for favors and will pay good money for them. The only crime I can see is if Cohen took the money fraudualy. Like I said, how do you think Senators and congresspersons get rich? It sure ain’t by their salaries. Phx8 you and your buddies are grasping at straws. You hate Trump we know that. You guys did the same crap with Bush. How did that work o0ut for you?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 12, 2018 6:58 PM
Comment #426888
my wife is reading “Russian Roulette” and she is raving about it. I will read it next. Posted by: phx8 at May 12, 2018 6:43 PM

It takes me a long time to read these books because I look up so many details and persons.

“The big question is this: what Cohen did with those millions of dollars?”

Passed them through into another shell company overseas where they could be tapped by the “don” or used to reimburse other lenders.

Nothing else has come out yet about dumpty using his own cell phone. He was/is probably calling Cohen frequently. He might have to keep him calmed down. Cohen expected to get more out of this presidency, and Sater wanted to be an ambassador to some place nice and warm.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/public-registries-shell-panama-papers

to investigate the individuals running dubious companies which earn millions in alleged “consulting contracts”, which are in many cases nothing more than concealed payments of corruption money.
Posted by: Ohrealy at May 12, 2018 8:06 PM
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Does everyone notice phx8 went from proclaiming facts to asking questions? I hesitate to call them facts because none of them come true, but now he can only ask questions. Maybe his crystal ball is getting condensation on it from his heavy panting.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2018 8:02 AM
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Weary you have to admit facts aren’t worth much to a conservative. They cannot face the truth so they resort to “fake news” or BS or some such nonsense. Trying to get conservative movement followers to question what is going on is just another avenue as the level of hypocritical conservatives rises to new heights.

It’s good to see conservatives admit the moral character of someone who paid off p**n stars to keep quiet prior to an election is alright with them. Exposing the hypocrisy is all anyone can do at this point as conservatives wallow in hypocrisy as they protect the man who ran as a populist but has turned into a far right conservative.

Keep it up guys, I say, because we need to get Trump through these next 2 plus years without getting himself thrown out. It is the great chance for conservative corporate America to get it’s complete ideology turned into law. IMHO the timing is perfect, as the dems have no real opposition to the conservative platform that would attract voters to the party.

So the best way through the path to the third world conservatism is to let it run it’s course, and for that I thank you guys. Trump couldn’t have done it without you defending his lies and his malfeasance. Without the gigantic levels of hypocrisy, the blind allegiance to the alternative facts and the buying in on the fake news you guys have did such a good job on.

Just like the people of Germany in the early 30;s you guys have bought in to the myths, misinformation, half truths and outright lies to the point Trump and his repub Congress and courts can do as they will. Even kill a guy on 5th avenue and not lose a supporter.

Can’t wait until after the election for the conservatives in DC to save us from the corruption of SS medicare and medicaid. Just like they are going after big pharma to keep drug prices low. Betcha you guys are all thinking this is the greatest thing since sliced bread because they lipstick the pig as “America patients first”. As he promises one thing and does another you guys swill the kool aid and defend his hypocrisy without missing a beat.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2018 12:14 PM
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Actually, like we have been since Trump assumed the office, we simply sit back and watch it all come to fruition.

While the left has been having it’s tantrums Trump has been moving forward. It must suck to be you guys, j2t2.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2018 2:04 PM
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In the short term Weary it sucks to see the fruition of almost 4 decades of far right conservatism become the mainstream thought in America. We have been inching towards just this since the Reagan revolution, more and more each passing year. But the conservative movement has won the battle as Trump has come out as a far right conservative not a populist as he told us he was.

Long term it is not quite a gloomy as you guys run out of excuses like, “he really isn’t a conservative” and “that was the dems” and all those other excuses you guys have used since the 80’s to blame others for conservative policy failures and economic collapses. We reap what we sow with a complete conservative takeover of the country. Sure there are a few holdout states and areas in states but with a SCOTUS fixed for a generation and the Administration and Congress as well as most states in conservative control we will see just how grand their policies are. Long term it will cause the dems to pull their heads out of their a**es and come up with a real platform for this century.

Even if this election is a blue tsunami, which I doubt it will be, it will be to little to late for you guys to blame anything on anyone but conservative ideology at work. Remember you guys own it now. Well the Koch’s and their ilk own it and you will be caretakers for them.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2018 2:42 PM
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Koch Brothers have been not very keen toward Trump’s immigration policy. Let me ask you a question, j2t2.

Why haven’t you been able to tell us about positive policy issues being presented by the left for consideration? I’m not talking about the failed issues like gun control, or gay weddings, or universal health care? Why are there no positive and productive proposals being presented by the left? Even you and phx8 have nothing positive to say. Why is that?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2018 2:51 PM
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Weary you can’t be seriously suggesting that conservatives have been putting forth positive policy issues…right? Trump ran on and won on negative not positive issues Weary. Is up down and down up for you guys now? Voter Suppression laws aren’t positive so please don’t act like your team is anything but negative.

Tax cuts for the wealthy have only added to the debt of the country. That isn’t positive. Easing gun laws while the number of gun deaths is in the thousands each year isn’t positive. Do you really think arming teachers is a positive policy? Do you think passing laws declaring anyone in public schools who criticizes Israel is anti-semantic is a positive policy? How about helping Chinese companies that traded with Iran is that positive? How about threatening European countries for trading with Iran is that positive? After breaking the treaty with them.

You would have to ask dems about their polices and plans for the next presidential election. But to suggest, after sabotaging the ACA that universal health care isn’t a positive issue is wrongheaded Weary. Unless you are a corporation bilking millions of off people.

How would we know what proposals have been put forward by dems when they are the minority in the Senate and in the HoR. With Trump making all the noise these days how would we know.

The gall Weary, to think your team could have done it without Putin and Russia is laughable. All negative from them.


Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2018 3:47 PM
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“…the dems have no real opposition to the conservative platform that would attract voters to the party.”

Wow…what an admission by our Pal j2t2. It appears that what we Conservatives have written for years has finally sunk in.

He writes that Conservative political dominance will result in “conservative” corporate America turning us into a third world country.

I can’t follow his logic and perhaps j2t2 will get out his crayons and draw us a picture.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 13, 2018 4:01 PM
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“After breaking the treaty with them.”

We have a “treaty” with Iran j2t2? That’s real news. Please notify the US senate as it somehow got passed without their knowledge.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 13, 2018 4:04 PM
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Royal you give me to much credit, probably because you erroneously believe me to be a dem. The dems have unpopular issues, as I have said, the rights of others whether they be religious civil or social are not a major issue for most Americans. Taking a stand on guns is an unpopular issue as well for many people. They don’t seem to discuss economic issues or ideas anymore. We will see what they consider important in a few months as the election comes closer.

Royal if you need crayons and pictures to understand I would suggest you go to kindergarten and ask someone.. Conservative policies lead to income inequality, loss of religious and personal rights, religious persecution,freedom of speech and a corporate America that will do to us what they did to other countries for decades. Remember when right wing coups were popular to keep businesses growing at the expense of people in other countries. Monopolies are a result of conservative policies as well Royal. But don’t think that what you have been saying for years was what I have said. You would be wrong.

Oh my bad Royal it was an agreement not a treaty he lied us out of. But I think you knew what I was saying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/09/fact-checking-president-trumps-reasons-for-leaving-the-iran-nuclear-deal/?utm_term=.83010b570070

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2018 4:41 PM
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OK j2t2. Sorry for confusing you with a Democrat. Obviously, socialism, and perhaps its extreme, are more appealing to you.

It is interesting that the Democrat Party has placed more “moderates” on the ballot for November. Extreme Liberalism is a losing proposition among the electorate. Moderate Conservatism is where I live and the country is catching up.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 13, 2018 4:49 PM
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Congratulations to the state of Israel. President Trump has honored, what many former US presidents have promised, his promise to move the American embassy to the biblical and historical capital city of Jerusalem. The embassy opening ceremony tomorrow will be filled with promising hope of peace in the Middle East.

I believe that God is using President Trump to the benefit of the world.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 13, 2018 4:57 PM
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I gave you a perfect opportunity to offer something new, j2t2 and what did you do? You bitched and whined and complained. Nothing positive was presented by you. It’s sad.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 13, 2018 5:06 PM
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Wow thanks for the perfect opportunity Weary but as I said ask the dems what they are running on. I was stating facts not bitching and whining my friend, after all you were trying so hard to have us believe conservatives and positive should be used in the same sentence.

Royal, the Trump is fulfilling biblical prophecy perhaps the anti-Christ has appeared and you are supporting him.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2018 8:43 PM
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RF

“For many months now the American electorate has been advised, by the media talking heads, that a new scandal regarding President Trump and (take your pick from many) was forthcoming. We would read breathless post from our Liberal Pals on WB that Trump was finally about to be impeached or would resign.”

Yes, rumor has it, he once used Russian dressing on his garden salad.

Posted by: dbs at May 16, 2018 5:10 AM
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Everyone, except for j2t2, knows that the US Senate approved, by a vote of 95 to 3, a measure to move our embassy to Jerusalem. President Trump is simply doing what is logical, and what previous presidents promised.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 16, 2018 6:34 PM
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dbs, I believe the entire “swamp” narrative regarding Russian collusion is beginning to unravel. A few Democrats, and the Libbies on WB, still believe this phony investigation.

I expect more criminal indictments to be forthcoming against those involved in this attempt to undo the 2016 election win of President Trump.

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