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​Will Social Media be Shrouded by Congress?

Yes, Donald Jr. is likely wrong about social media and their penchant for only censoring non-liberal shooter’s online content, often before the police have even named the culprit or filed charges. As The Daily Beast - of all places - has shown, the online profiles or sites or vlogs/blogs etc of people like Nikolas Cruz, Devin Kelley, and Mark Conditt have been censored or removed by social media sites almost immediately after the shootings occurred. And yes, perhaps there’s a little more fascination on the part of media towards the YouTube killer vegan, Nasim Aghdam, whose photographs look a like a Marvel Comics reject that didn’t quite make the cut.


But that's hardly the point worth noting. It's not that one can try to detect bias in whatever policies, protocols or algorithms that are utilized by social media. One easily can. But those biases can and certainly will shift. It's more significant that they have the power to cause the kind of Twitter fuss Donald Jr. kicked up, because their platforms are so widely used that they have become the public square for all intents and purposes.

Yes it's a little weird looking at that blurred-out view of Mark Conditt's Austin home that Google created before he was even named by Austin police. You can see the shrubbery but not the actual house. Does that mean people will cruise the neighborhood looking for that hedge? Or those trees? And shouldn't we do something about social media's powerful platforms?

No we shouldnt't.

If Congress does drape a heavy mantle of regulations and supervisory control over companies like Google and Facebook, or Twitter, it will effectively convert them into utilities. But rather than water flowing through the tap, or electricity running into your home, social media would become Speech Utilities. Words, images, and ideas will be tightly controlled like never before and on an intimate personal level like never before. In earlier decades, the only time the CIA or FBI rummaged through your scrapbooks used to be if you were a dangerous criminal or a spy. With the new Speech Utilities, your online scrapbooks will be censored on a scale far beyond whatever censoring social media companies do nowadays in response to an event like a shooting.

Yes, cable companies have had to deal with regulations and restrictions on the content they feed into your home for some time now. But this will be a different order of regulatory magnitude if social media have to hire enormous compliance departments that make Wall Street's legions of lawyers and accountants look trivial by comparison.

Will that be our future? Compliance itself as Social Media? Activist/bullies from all sides of any debate forcing companies to change their algorithms. And then publicly celebrating their naming and shaming? This has been happening for a few years now, but will this become the actual substance of social media? The main purpose that eats up all the time and attention, and therefore all the ad revenues?

Better instead, if Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest want to blur out or delete the online presence of crazed killers, that's their right to do so, and to be criticized for so doing. But to let a giant shroud of regulatory matter slowly bind their sinews into bureaucratic knots would be a mistake.

Posted by AllardK at April 5, 2018 6:19 PM
Comments
Comment #426025

Much nothing about ado.

Posted by: ohrealy at April 5, 2018 7:17 PM
Comment #426061

My Attorney Got Arrested!

Posted by: j2t2 at April 9, 2018 11:27 PM
Comment #426062

So I guess Trump followed through on his campaign promise… the one where he said he could kill someone on 5th avenue and not lose any votes.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 9, 2018 11:51 PM
Comment #426080

Says Who Now? Maybe Mueller is actually serious about doing something worthwhile. He’ll have to stay in until after the mid-terms. Good luck with that. All the drunks at the end of the bars will want him fired.

I thought this site was really most sincerely dead.

Posted by: ohrealy at April 10, 2018 7:22 AM
Comment #426082

Trump supporters are so by their echo chamber they will not discuss anything outside a few topics: hatred for Hillary Clinton, hatred for legal and illegal immigrants, and sweet sweet ammos*xual love.

The fish rots from the head down, and the cabal of traitors and crooks at the top of the administration have given themselves so many self-inflicted wounds, it is hard to know where to start.

A potential trade war (and a weak employment report, just 103,000 jobs added last month) has sent the markets into wild swings, up and down.

Trump’s submissiveness to Putin put the country in a dangerous place. Trump blurted that the US was going to withdraw from Syria soon. Syria promptly launched a particularly ugly attack using chemical weapons. Trump called out Putin and Syria, but the administration is a complete mess, with State barely functioning anymore. The incoming NSA advisor, Bolton, is notorious for calling for wars. Bolton still thinks Iraq was a good idea! He may not pass his security clearance though, due to shady work on behalf of Cambridge Analytica and an embarrassing speech for Russians, with Russian subtitles, about gun rights. How closely is Bolton tied to Alexander Thorsin? How much did the Russians funnel to the NRA and Trump through Thorsin?

It’s just a mess. Good to see Trump’s CRIMINAL lawyer getting set up. It is so bad, even Pruitt’s disgusting paranoid corruption at EPA, or Kushner’s corrupt deals, are getting pushed off the headlines. It is that bad. Tough time for the crooks and traitors.

Posted by: phx8 at April 10, 2018 9:31 AM
Comment #426083

So any bets on how long it will take for the Trumpsters to get Hillary’s office raided?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 10, 2018 10:10 AM
Comment #426084

When you dishonestly equate disagreement to hatred, people will eventually grow tired of your inability for rational debate.

Acknowledge the fact that Hillary misused classified material and is guilty of lying? Just hatred for Hillary. No need to discuss proper punishment and procedures to prevent it from happening again.

Put American citizens before illegal aliens? Just hatred for all immigrants. No need to discuss the burden they put on the nation or the need for better border security.

Support the 2nd Amendment? Ammos*xual! Terrorist! Murderer! No need to discuss how best to address the violence while also respecting and working within the framework of the 2nd Amendment.

You all should worry less about others, and more about why the echo chamber you live in can’t withstand the honest debate of facts.

Posted by: kctim at April 10, 2018 10:16 AM
Comment #426085

Cohen follows van der Zwaan in the pursuit of the shell companies. If van der Zwaan had been more cooperative, Cohen might not have been raided yet. It’s good that this is all happening in NY, where Schneidermnan can follow up with other charges. They could end up raiding dumptyfire’s places next.

dumptyfire at rump tower

Cambridge Analytica is tying everything together.

Posted by: ohrealy at April 10, 2018 10:29 AM
Comment #426086

-rump’s America Feels Like Germany Before Nazis Took Over:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-apos-m-holocaust-survivor-133308232.html

more alarming than the far-right getting braver is the seep into mainstream politics of their hate, their talking points, their rhetoric. “It feels like 1929 or 1930 Berlin,”… “I’m involved with New York real estate, I know this man personally,” -rump is an enabler. -rump has no ideas. -rump is out for himself. “He’s a sick, very disturbed individual. “I couldn’t say that -rump is a fascist because you’ve got to know what fascism is. And I don’t think he has the mental power to even understand it… “fascism has to be resisted.”
Posted by: ohrealy at April 10, 2018 10:59 AM
Comment #426087

ohrealy,
Yes, Cambridge Analytica (CA) may prove to be the key. The video of the former CEO bragging about undermining democracies was just incredible. FB and other social media platforms are being forced to understand advertising for economic purposes can also be misused for political propaganda. The entry into 87 million user accounts by CA (and at $19/user, that comes out to $165 million worth of advertising) on behalf of Trump raises questions, but the big question is, how did the Russians target their campaign against Hillary Clinton, and for Trump? Did CA and the Russians cooperate?

Well, what worries me is Trump starting a war to save his bacon from low approval numbers and impeachment. He gave a really unhinged speech yesterday about the raid on Cohen’s home, office, and hotel room.

Meanwhile, Trump lies so frequently it is hard to keep track. Lying like that is not normal, and it is harmful for the country. In just the past few days Trump lied about the Post Office and Amazon, he repeated a lie about millions of illegal votes, and told a particularly viscious racist lie about illegal immigrant women being raped.

With the Cohen raid, Trump spouted even more lies- that the raid was “an attack on the country” and more. There were too many to address.

Posted by: phx8 at April 10, 2018 11:16 AM
Comment #426088

No question, Trump is straining the political system to the point of breaking. As I have said before, we will have the chance to see what the American people are made of.

Meanwhile, the MSM, DOJ & FBI, and Intelligence Community come under almost daily attack. Corruption is running wild in the White House. It really is remarkable.

Trump supporters turned out to be easily manipulated by the Russians. It was a simple matter to insert propaganda into the right wing echo chamber. The chamber was already there-FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity, and others- and all it took was the insertion of lies to see them propagated; that is, when the GOP and Trump supporters weren’t already coming up with them. The efforts to deflect, deny, and distract occur on a daily basis, whether it is Hillary Clinton, Obama, defending gun massacres, or attacking legal and illegal immigrants, or deny the basic science behind Global Warming.

We are depending on the Mueller investigation and the willingness of the GOP to impeach, and the upcoming midterms to oust the Trump supporters. While I hesitate to compare them to Nazis, there is no doubt a strong element of fascism, as so many people have already noted, and a tendency by many to play Good Germans.

I think we will win. But how much damage will the Trump supporters be willing to inflict?

Posted by: phx8 at April 10, 2018 12:03 PM
Comment #426089

As an originalist, I hope the leftists scorched earth, win at all costs, divide and conquer tactic works and the SHTF.

As a realist, I know it’s all about winning elections, just as it was under Obama. While what the leftists are doing is ten times as hateful, divisive and dangerous than the Republican tactics in 2010, our political system will remain intact.

As an American, I know the leftists hateful vendetta towards their fellow Americans who dare disagree with them will keep us divided, but the country will move along as always.

“how much damage will the Trump supporters be willing to inflict?”

IF the Mueller investigation proves collusion, NONE.

How much more damage will the anti-right people be willing to inflict upon the country if they, once again, don’t get their way?

Posted by: kctim at April 10, 2018 12:54 PM
Comment #426090

Internationally, I don’t think we can recover our position, which is being ceded to China, while we dither around with the traitors. Dumpty isn’t our first mess. He followed W’s disasters, and we’re still paying for that. Also, the wealthiest are bailing on the USA after decades of sustained looting. They’re buying other citizenships, like Peter Thiel with New Zealand. Then there’s the foreign overlord of the right wing, Rupert Murdoch, still making the dogs bark, although he’s losing out to even worse people, as if we thought that was even a possibility. Dumpty is the monster Murdoch created, although not the one he wanted.

No one in the military should follow any order from this POS, and they may not be already. He’s clearly unhinged, and so is the whole right wing party.

Posted by: Ohrealy at April 10, 2018 1:15 PM
Comment #426091
When you dishonestly equate disagreement to hatred, people will eventually grow tired of your inability for rational debate.

It isn’t dishonest at all kctim, conservatives as a group have gone to the extreme . It is hatred towards the rest of us that propels the movement forward. Were it simply disagreement as you tell us there would have been compromises between 2008 and today. The government would have functioned. Trump would not have been elected.

… Just hatred for Hillary…..

Oh come on kctim you seem to be suggesting a single issue to make your point. This extremely selective memory is typical of conservatives but lets not forget it isn’t even the tip of the iceberg. Since she was first lady she has been the target of dedicated movement followers using anything and everything to snare her. It wasn’t disagreement it was hatred. Conservatives didn’t argue the political positions she favored they made up one falsehood after another. The ped ring from the pizza joint, The Rich murder, Benghazi, the list goes on.

No need to discuss the burden they put on the nation or the need for better border security.

Funny but conservatives have held up any discussions on immigration for years because their money men benefited from the cheap labor. Now they cut taxes for the money men and insist upon borrowing for a wall on the border. THe fact is we were promised a wall paid for by Mexico, now it is a wall we are buying to solve the problem of illegal immigration.

…No need to discuss how best to address the violence while also respecting and working within the framework of the 2nd Amendment.

Yeah right. The only ideas conservatives have is to step up the arms race to the point teachers are packing in the classrooms. Of course they have already hijacked the 2nd and now insist no more restrictions but they don’t mention the high number of gun deaths or help to solve this issue.

You all should worry less about others, and more about why the echo chamber you live in can’t withstand the honest debate of facts.

Funny coming from you kctim. “the honest debate of facts” is not something you guys do. Not on the hatred fueling the conservative movement, not on Hillary, not on immigration, and not on the gun violence in our country.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 10, 2018 2:27 PM
Comment #426092

Well said, j2t2.

ohrealy,
“Internationally, I don’t think we can recover our position, which is being ceded to China… Dumpty isn’t our first mess. He followed W’s disasters, and we’re still paying for that.”

Very true. Bush drove the country into the ditch, not only with the War in Iraq- the worst foreign policy decision in American history, with the possible exception of the War of 1812- Bush did the same with the domestic and international economy.

We did recover our international standing and the respect of allies, thanks to Obama. Trump lost those gains. He lost the respect of our allies. He failed to lead and he failed to promote democracy and human rights. It is a mess virtually everywhere we look, and there is every prospect it will get worse.

kctim,
You are pretending the Democrats and the Republicans are unable to work together. That is flatly untrue.

The problem is with one side, and that problem is the increasingly right wing tilt of a portion of the GOP, mainly the Trump supporters. That tilt features bigotry, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and homophobia. If there is an economic platform anymore, it is hard to discern. Tax cuts for the rich, I suppose. Repeal everything Obama did, not because there was anything wrong with the policies, but simply because he was a Democrat and a black man, with no alternatives to offer other than war.

Posted by: phx8 at April 10, 2018 3:12 PM
Comment #426094

Well J2, how about some examples of the right going to the “extreme” of where they once stood?

“It is hatred towards the rest of us that propels the movement forward.”

Get over yourselves, J2. It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the leftist policies you support. This is hardly some kind of new ‘movement’ either. From the founding of our country, there have been people who supported limited government and individual rights.

“Oh come on kctim you seem to be suggesting a single issue to make your point.”

Actually, it was Phx8 who first gave us “hatred for Hillary Clinton” as some kind of excuse or whatever, so it’s more about leftist deflection here, not selective memory.

“Conservatives didn’t argue the political positions she favored they made up one falsehood after another.”

The falsehoods are a direct result of her stated political positions. Just like they were with Bill, Bush, Obama and now Trump.

Your immigration and 2nd Amendment conspiracies are typical deflection. Thanks for an example of what I was getting at.

“the honest debate of facts” is not something you guys do”

I personally have asked you for facts to support your claims. He11, I think I have even begged you for facts. But ALL I ever get are opinions based on leftist stereotypes and vague generalities.
The day you finally provide facts, will be the day you can make such a statement without making yourself look foolish, J2.


Posted by: kctim at April 10, 2018 4:40 PM
Comment #426095

j2t2 wrote:
“Funny but conservatives have held up any discussions on immigration for years because their money men benefited from the cheap labor. Now they cut taxes for the money men and insist upon borrowing for a wall on the border.”

Hmm, using logic on right wingers. I don’t think it will work.
https://rewire.news/article/2018/03/09/kochs-professed-concern-immigrants-spending-tells-different-story/

pdx8 wrote:
“bigotry, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and homophobia”

I really don’t get what they have against people who are different. They make things more interesting, provide an opportunity to learn, and are motivated to succeed and make the country better. Here is a neighbouring congressperson from Schaumburg:

https://krishnamoorthi.house.gov/

“As I have said many times, if you don’t have a seat at the table, then you are on the menu.”

Posted by: ohrealy at April 10, 2018 4:41 PM
Comment #426097

The problem is with both sides, Phx8. One side that wants to move far left, and another side that does not. That “right wing tilt of a portion of the GOP” you use “bigotry, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and homophobia” to dismiss, is nothing more than those who refuse to give leftists another inch.
They are preventing you from getting what you want, which is why you try to convince people that support for border security equal bigotry, and non support of government health care equals racism.

“Repeal everything Obama did, not because there was anything wrong with the policies, but simply because he was a Democrat and a black man”

BS. It’s ALL about the policies. If it wasn’t, you guys wouldn’t be attacking every black person who dares not vote democrat.

Do you honestly believe that people who have never supported government health care, and have always supported the 2nd Amendment, low taxes, limited regulation, would have supported Obama if only he was white?
I think President Clinton would disagree.

Posted by: kctim at April 10, 2018 5:19 PM
Comment #426098

” It is a mess virtually everywhere we look, and there is every prospect it will get worse.”

Finally, an honest comment from one of the three Libby Amigos; our Pal phx8.

This is what it looks and feels like when a president promised, and then proceeds, to clean up the swamp in Washington. Decades of entrenchment by Lefties and Socialists gave them considerable power and influence. No one stood up to them, not even the Rhinos enjoying a slice of the corruption.

I do find it interesting that the more success Trump enjoys; the more desperate and hate-filled the Amigos become.

President Trump is handling his office well despite all the attempts by the Left, Rhino’s and MS media to derail his efforts. There is no other person I can think of who could handle what he does. Obama, Bush, Bush, and Clinton couldn’t match what this president is doing for America, honest citizens, and the world.

With God’s help, America will be saved from the immoral, dishonest, corrupt, and hateful Left.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 10, 2018 7:05 PM
Comment #426099
As an originalist, I hope the leftists scorched earth, win at all costs, divide and conquer tactic works and the SHTF.

I don’t believe you kctim. I think you would prefer the conservative scorched, win at all costs, divide and conquer tactic works. Or are you really so out of touch you can’t recognize these tactics from your team the last 30 years or so.

>blockquote>… While what the leftists are doing is ten times as hateful, divisive and dangerous than the Republican tactics in 2010, our political system will remain intact.

Oh please kctim, you make it sound as if the dems are doing something the repubs haven’t done for years. The only difference I can see is the attacks on Clinton were mostly made up BS from anti-democracy provocateurs on the right.

As an American, I know the leftists hateful vendetta towards their fellow Americans who dare disagree with them will keep us divided, but the country will move along as always.

Pro justice for all liberals are hateful! for being inclusive in our society! You seem upset people are taking to the streets to prevent the anti-truth squad, (Fox News Laura Ingram as an example) from having their way with the truth. It is as Amrican as apple pie kctim. It isn’t hateful to hold these liars accountable. The right wing anti-truth squads after all are the dividers, using myth misinformation half truths and outright lies to divide the country.

“how much damage will the Trump supporters be willing to inflict?”

IF the Mueller investigation proves collusion, NONE.

Lets hope the truth prevails. Lets hope the repubs and the dems will circle the wagons and keep Trump in office until his term is up. He needs the time to show this country the conservative agenda and to be held responsible for the coming financial crisis that will be the result of conservative policies.

How much more damage will the anti-right people be willing to inflict upon the country if they, once again, don’t get their way?

The who! the anti-right! Seriously WTF kctim you going for the Goebbels award for April or what? Well please explain who the “anti-right” is kctim. I don’t know any “anti-rightist” Nor have I seen one on TV.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 10, 2018 7:53 PM
Comment #426102

“With God’s help, America will be saved from the immoral, dishonest, corrupt, and hateful Left.”

Yeah, because there is no one God loves better than a promiscuous man who has fathered five children by three different women, been accused of s*xually assaulting a dozen more, bragged on camera about grabbing women by the p*ssy, paid a p*rn star $130,000 in hush money 11 days before an election, paid a playboy model $150,000 to keep quiet about an affair just after his son was born… Who brags about his wealth… Pays $25 million to settle a lawsuit for fraud… And then, of course, there is the constant parade of lies…

Nice going, God.

Posted by: phx8 at April 10, 2018 10:24 PM
Comment #426103

phx8, At least he used his own money and not TAX PAYERS like Senators and Congressmen did from both parties. Phx8 it amazes me how you come up with that holier then thou BS when you know D**N well that Democrats are no more angels then the Republicans Bill with his B.J. in the oval office. Kennedy with Marlyn both Jack and Bobby banged her. Hillary with her defending Billy boy. God only knows who else on the Democrat side have had or are now having affairs and grabbing the old P***ies. But guys like you overlook it if it comes from your party.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 10, 2018 11:35 PM
Comment #426104
Well J2, how about some examples of the right going to the “extreme” of where they once stood?

Easy Peasy my friend. Lets start with the agenda of the JBS when Eisenhower was president. Then compare Eisenhower’s agenda to that. Ike was moderately conservative while the JBS was full tilt extreme right wingers. Now fast forward to the 80’s and the conservative deity Reagan. The JBS and Reagan butted heads over immigration, yep because Reagan allowed the amnesty. Now fast forward to the past decade and the moderately conservative amongst us. Oh …wait.. are there any moderately conservative left? Lets look at immigration and how you extremist of today feel about legal and illegal immigration.

Now just for fun do the same exercise on gun control. Much more extreme today. You guys have removed half the 2nd amendment out of the picture at the center of the gun universe, the NRA headquarters while kids are getting killed by dudes carrying semi auto assault rifles.

But don’t stop there move on to fiscal matters. When Ike ran things the top marginal tax rate was 91%. It remained so throughout his tenure as president. To pay down debt was more important. Now move on to Reagan once again and he cut taxes only to find out it didn’t work and raised them to somewhat compensate. How about today’s conservatives, cut taxes and let the debt level rise till we and all bankrupt. That is extreme my friend.

It has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the leftist policies you support.

Ah yes kctim, hate the sin not the sinner. Tell your fellow conservatives this as they don’t seem to know the difference.

This is hardly some kind of new ‘movement’ either. From the founding of our country, there have been people who supported limited government and individual rights.

But the conservatives of today are at fever pitch kctim,from a few that were far right in the 50’s to all y’all today. You guys have gotten much more extreme over the years. I guess you may not realize it as it has been a gradual change over time.

so it’s more about leftist deflection here, not selective memory.

Always the leftist’s fault eh kctim? Jeez.

“Conservatives didn’t argue the political positions she favored they made up one falsehood after another.”

The falsehoods are a direct result of her stated political positions. Just like they were with Bill, Bush, Obama and now Trump.

Wow a moment of honesty? I’m in shock. So we both acknowledge the constant falsehoods the conservative anti-truth provocateurs have been feeding you and the Faux News crowd for years then. But they didn’t rebut her positions instead they chose to lie about her. You seem to think it is alright to lie about someone if you disagree with them politically. I don’t.

Your immigration and 2nd Amendment conspiracies are typical deflection. Thanks for an example of what I was getting at.

Like you need an example of deflection, good one kctim. You are part of the anti-fact conservatives kctim.

The day you finally provide facts, will be the day you can make such a statement without making yourself look foolish, J2.

The problem seems to be your inability to recognize a fact, what with your anti-fact agenda and all, but here is a suggestion kctim. When you think it is deflection it is usually a fact. That should help with your confusion on this matter.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 10, 2018 11:55 PM
Comment #426119

Kap,
“… At least he used his own money and not TAX PAYERS…”

That remains to be seen. Cohen claims he paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 by taking out a home equity loan, and no one paid him back. Both he and Trump said Trump was not involved, although Trump used an alias, Denny Davidson, on the NDA. The payment, made 11 days before the election, looks like a felony that violates campaign election laws. No one believes Cohen’s story. It is preposterous. So where did the money really come from?

The $150,000 paid to the playboy model also looks suspect. Roger Stone’s paper paid her and, once they owned the rights to the story, they killed it. Did Trump repay Stone?

Speaking of $150,000, a Ukrainian billionaire paid that amount to the Trump Foundation for a 20 minute video speech by Trump. After Trump himself, that was the largest contribution to the Foundation in 2015. That is a lot of money for a short, videotaped speech, and it looks like an illegal attempt by a foreigner to buy influence during the campaign, rather than charitable giving.

Trump played fast and loose with that Foundation. I have always thought it would be the financial felonies and money laundering that took Trump down.

There’s a reason Trump has been so submissive to Putin. Trump is compromised, and it is probably about money.

Posted by: phx8 at April 11, 2018 12:25 AM
Comment #426120

By the way, Trump’s biggest supporters are Christian evangelicals. I can think of no more appropriate leader for them than Trump. He represents their morality to T.

Posted by: phx8 at April 11, 2018 12:27 AM
Comment #426125

As I said phx8 it wasn’t TAX PAYER money like some congress men have done. When taking out a loan it has to be paid back by the borrower. As far as the playboy model goes it was still not TAX PAYER money like the slush fund that was set up to pay for congresspersons misconduct. As far as evangelical Christians go, as Jesus once said “He who is without sin let him cast the first stone.” At least Trump is keeping his promises so far, and that is what they are looking at not what he does in his private life. Heck even Clinton was a good leader, even though he did things with women that were not his wife. As far as that 150 grand to the Ukrainians, far less then the half million and 147 million that was paid to Billy and the foundation by the RUSSIANS, talk about collusion.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 11, 2018 1:03 AM
Comment #426134

Time to fire Mueller, and Rosenstein.

Posted by: dbs at April 11, 2018 5:41 AM
Comment #426135

j2t2:
“Now fast forward to the 80’s and the conservative deity Reagan.”

Slow your roll there. In between Eisenhower and Reagan were Nixon, Milton Freidman and the mess in Chile with Pinochet, their admirer Margaret Thatcher, and then her admirer Reagan, now almost a liberal by Overton Window standards.

When they say “god” they are talking about odin, nothing to do with enlightened religions. That they don’t know or aren’t capable of understanding, doesn’t change that.

Posted by: ohrealy at April 11, 2018 8:14 AM
Comment #426136

You guys do know Trump could settle this by testifying under oath and ….here comes the hard part….telling the truth about the hold Putin has on him. Instead he chooses not to incriminate himself. He would rather fire the people he appointed to conduct the investigation and to oversee the investigation, repubs the lot, because they didn’t white wash the whole thing! Yep in previous investigations, of this type, the opposition had their guys doing the investigation this time out Trump gets to appoint people from his own party and now wants to fire them as they get closer to the truth.

Why is it KAP that you continue to use the “well they did it to” line as some sort of defense for Trump. It is the evangelicals that use the holier than thou line to claim superior candidates not the dems. This measuring stick was suggested by the conservatives as a means to distinguish themselves from the rest of us. At the least they should fall on their own sword when their morality is proven to be insufficient for the voters they answer to. Instead you guys cheer them on and use their shenanigans as a tool to compare them to better presidents they they could ever be.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 11, 2018 8:23 AM
Comment #426137

There is more projection from the left in this thread than I have seen in a long time. I love how phx8 claims this and that right out of the gate. He can’t wait the couple of weeks needed to see any results of Trumps decisions phx8 is pearl clutching about. Remember how he claimed the stock market would tank when the tariffs were put in place? Ha! Minute fluctuation compared to the tremendous rise since he was elected. Where was Obama’s meteoric rise in the stock market when he was pretending to care?

It’s incredible what the left expects. j2t2 just said

Trump could settle this by testifying under oath and ….here comes the hard part….telling the truth about the hold Putin has on him.

j2t2 could have phrased this another way and actually told the truth. He could have said:

Trump needs to testify so we can beat him over the head for not saying what we want him to say.

But then again, the left must lie because telling the truth of what they think is poison for them at the polls.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 11, 2018 9:07 AM
Comment #426140

“I don’t believe you kctim.”

That’s too bad for you J2, because I am deadly serious. I have accepted that you guys are willing to divide the country to the point of violence for a while now.

“I think you would prefer the conservative scorched, win at all costs, divide and conquer tactic works.”

Of course I prefer the non-violent route, but this ‘conservative tactic’ you mention is purely defensive, not offensive. A handful of Conservative refusing to move further left can hardly be called a ‘scorched earth’ tactic.

“you make it sound as if the dems are doing something the repubs haven’t done for years.”

Same thing, but on a different and much more dangerous scale.
In 2010, Republicans called you liberals and held small, peaceful protests to prevent further government infringement.
Since 2016, leftists scream nazi, terrorist and murderer. They target and attack individuals and businesses who disagree with them. They riot and commit violence to shut down free speech. They shout nonsense like ‘anti truth squads’ at all who don’t accept their version of the truth.

“Well please explain who the “anti-right” is kctim. I don’t know any “anti-rightist” Nor have I seen one on TV.”

Anti: opposed to; against
Those opposed to or against right-wing policy, are anti right wing policy.
Those who shout nazi and terrorist, and who attack the race and intellect of those who support right-wing policy, are opposed to or against those who vote for right-wing policy.

Besides, I didn’t have the time or desire to list all the far-left extremist nuts in your ‘big tent’ party, so I just went with ‘anti right’.

Posted by: kctim at April 11, 2018 9:33 AM
Comment #426148

All of a sudden the left speaks of morality. Kind of hypocritical aren’t we j2? You praise p×rno stars and playboy bunnies and the murder of unborn children and call it choice. The left wouldn’t know morality if it smacked you up side the head.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at April 11, 2018 11:09 AM
Comment #426149

“Easy Peasy my friend.”

Awesome!

“Lets look at immigration and how you extremist of today feel about legal and illegal immigration.”

Legal immigration process that requires all who enter our country go through. Those who fail to follow this process, are processed and returned to their country of origin.
How is that to the right of where Republicans or democrats were just a short time ago?

“Now just for fun do the same exercise on gun control.”

There are still tens of thousands of gun control laws on the books. Up until the 90s, the majority of Republicans AND democrats supported the individual right to keep and bear arms and had no problem with semi-automatic weapons. Those who didn’t, fought their problems on the community or state level.
How is refusing to accept more government regulations a sign of moving to the right?

Republicans have supported low taxes for as long as I can remember.
You do make a good observation in how they are now willing to disregard debt, though. That however, is due to their unwillingness to cut spending, not because they have moved to the right on the issue. IF they cut taxes AND drastically cut spending in order to be more in line with what the founders planned, THAT would be a move to the right of their previous position.

“You guys have gotten much more extreme over the years. I guess you may not realize it as it has been a gradual change over time.”

So far all of your examples are of people refusing to move left. Their positions haven’t actually become more extreme, your changing definition of extreme is what has made their position supposedly extreme.

Leftists have gradually grown in numbers, which means that our constant move to the left as a country has been gradual. This means that the changing definition of extreme will gradually increase to include more and more people holding onto the beliefs and culture that our Constitutional Republic created.

“So we both acknowledge the constant falsehoods the conservative anti-truth provocateurs have been feeding you and the Faux News crowd for years then.”

Both of us? LOL!
I have always stated that BOTH sides stretch the truth and use spin to put a bad light on the ‘other side’. You however, seem to love to go on and on and on only about one side doing it.

“You seem to think it is alright to lie about someone if you disagree with them politically. I don’t.”

Sigh. Nowhere did I state that.
The simple fact is that people use the positions of politicians to determine wrong or right. It’s the nature of the beast in our political world.
The real problem isn’t with partisans who stretch the truth, it’s with those who dismiss facts as lies.

“Like you need an example of deflection, good one kctim. You are part of the anti-fact conservatives kctim.”

Sooooo, which of my statements can you cite to prove that I am opposed to or against the facts?

“When you think it is deflection it is usually a fact.”

General statements of opinion are not facts, J2.
When you pretend to know what the founders actually meant when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, that is an opinion.
When you predict that a handful of neo-nazi wannabe’s are representative of all on the right and is a sign of a coming nazi apocalypse, that is an opinion.

Face it J2, you are going to have to first offer a fact, before you can accuse others of deflecting.

Posted by: kctim at April 11, 2018 11:24 AM
Comment #426156

“You guys have gotten much more extreme over the years. I guess you may not realize it as it has been a gradual change over time.”

Really my amigo pal j2t2? Do you really believe Conservatives are more extreme today because we don’t like the loose morals of you folks.

Is being pro traditional marriage extreme?

Is being against opposite gender bathing and toileting together in our schools extreme?

Is being against tax-funded abortion extreme?

So sad my foolish friend. You have been snookered, and played for a useful idiot by your peers to accomplish their goal of destroying the moral fabric of America.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 11, 2018 6:14 PM
Comment #426157

I hope my fellow Conservatives take delight in all the baseless charges leveled against President Trump, by the three Amigos, as I do. Their frustration is bordering on insanity.

It has been well over a year since this Mueller investigation has begun with the goal of forcing the president out of office or to find sufficient evidence to impeach.

If one were to read the comments by our Leftie Pals with any credence, one would have to believe Mueller has found evidence of collusion with Putin or some other such nonsense.

The truth is, Mueller has found nothing to charge the president with…noting.

For many months now we have been told by breathless reporters from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post and many others that the “SMOKING GUN HAS BEEN FOUND”. Giddy with excitement, our Pals phx8, j232, and others write that the administration has only days left.

Dawn breaks…nothing. Sun sets…nothing. Just blather. Then, our Pals creep back into their dark place and wait for the next exciting episode announcement by their Lords and Masters of the Media.

It’s a comedic serial and they don’t even know it. Useful idiots…yes.

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 11, 2018 6:40 PM
Comment #426167
That is a lot of money for a short, videotaped speech, and it looks like an illegal attempt by a foreigner to buy influence during the campaign, rather than charitable giving.

DOUBLE STANDARD ALERT!

They can’t see it, can they? The blinders are on and they can’t see the hypocrisy of that statement. Where was this type of smear when Hillbilly and Hillbilly were raking in 6 figures for their speeches?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 12, 2018 5:08 AM
Comment #426168
At the least they should fall on their own sword when their morality is proven to be insufficient for the voters they answer to.

How many Democratics have you held to the same standard, j2t2?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 12, 2018 5:13 AM
Comment #426169

The left is currently stirring up a shit storm in this country that they are ill equipped deal with.

Posted by: dbs at April 12, 2018 5:40 AM
Comment #426170

RF

“The truth is, Mueller has found nothing to charge the president with…noting.”

Not yet. But Mueller still hasn’t picked through the corn kernels in his sh!t, so there may still be hope for their little witch hunt yet. Hahahahaha

Posted by: dbs at April 12, 2018 5:49 AM
Comment #426181
That’s too bad for you J2, because I am deadly serious. I have accepted that you guys are willing to divide the country to the point of violence for a while now.

Now that is the kind of hatred, the deadly serious type, that is fueled by delusion kctim. Time to look around and realize you are talking about those that are inclusive not exclusive. They college aged kids that don’t want to hear the right wing fascism spouted by the Spencers of the world on college campuses around the country. They don’t want to hear the Ingrams on the right spew hatred so they boycott those that sponsors the haters.

Of course I prefer the non-violent route,

Didn’t sound like it at the start of this comment kctim.

but this ‘conservative tactic’ you mention is purely defensive, not offensive.

Of course it is that is why y’all are armed to the teeth and run protestors down. That is why you guys lied for years about Hillary. That is why you guys use the term snowflakes and cucks to describe your political opponents.

A handful of Conservative refusing to move further left can hardly be called a ‘scorched earth’ tactic.

A handful! Really? This refusal to compromise on issues is…. move farther left! you guys have moved to the right to the point of fascism kctim. The attack on our democracy is coordinated by much more than a handful of conservatives it is an all out attack on the country as you guys seek power.

“you make it sound as if the dems are doing something the repubs haven’t done for years.”

Same thing, but on a different and much more dangerous scale. In 2010, Republicans called you liberals and held small, peaceful protests to prevent further government infringement.

Oh please kctim, have you forgotten so much so soon. What about our Monkey Nazi Muslim Christian president? Tea Baggers held big protest kctim they were to old of a crowd to be anything but verbally violent. Why compare them to the kids protesting the Nazis on campus? Why not the peaceful Occupy members of the same time frame?

Since 2016, leftists scream nazi, terrorist and murderer. They target and attack individuals and businesses who disagree with them. They riot and commit violence to shut down free speech. They shout nonsense like ‘anti truth squads’ at all who don’t accept their version of the truth.

And I am proud of them for doing so. These people are protesting Fascism not appeasing fascist like conservatives of today are doing. Using the power of the purse strings to boycott those that enable the haters like Ingram and others is a peaceful tactic kctim. You also need to remember it is the Fascist that are causing these kids to protest. The hate speech they spout is used to dent rights to minorities, God Bless the anti-fa for their hard work and efforts.


Those who shout nazi and terrorist, and who attack the race and intellect of those who support right-wing policy, are opposed to or against those who vote for right-wing policy.

Oh the pro freedom people, the anti-fascist who fight to keep these provocateurs from enacting the right wing policies that deny rights, take away religious freedoms, deny free speech rights to those that aren’t the same color or religion as they are. Those right wing policies kctim! And you are surprised that while conservatives appease these far right zealots those pro liberty kids of the anti-fa and other college groups refuse to appease the fascist!

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2018 11:57 AM
Comment #426182
Giddy with excitement, our Pals phx8, j232, and others write that the administration has only days left.

Not me Rayal. I hope Trump gets his 4 years in office and have stated such many times here on WB. I also hope the repubs retain the majority in both housed of Congress until 2020. It will be the best thing to happen to this country IMHO. Let them have their policies in place and working/failing as the case may be. In the past they have done their damage and ran, using myth misinformation half truths and outright lies to leave doubt in the minds of the voters of this country. They need to be held accountable for their decisions and while it may hurt in the short term it will be best in the long term.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2018 12:08 PM
Comment #426187
Time to look around and realize you are talking about those that are inclusive not exclusive. They college aged kids that don’t want to hear the right wing fascism spouted by the Spencers of the world on college campuses around the country. They don’t want to hear the Ingrams on the right spew hatred so they boycott those that sponsors the haters.

That makes absolutely no sense. What you describe is not inclusive. The left is shouting down anyone they don’t want to listen to. Both issues with Spencer and Inghrams are grievances the left concocted and you’re using these concocted gripes to paint a wide swath against anyone who disagrees with you.

The crying is getting pathetic. Spencer says, “Trump” and all of the sudden Trump is a Nazi. Inghrams tells a kid, who manufactured a villain while ignoring the left’s errors, to grow up and she’s spewing hatred.

Listen to what you just put in your last comment!

fueled by delusion
right wing fascism
sponsor haters
armed to the teeth and run protestors down
you guys lied for years

moved to the right to the point of fascism
attack on our democracy is coordinated by much more than a handful of conservatives
an all out attack on the country
Monkey Nazi Muslim Christian president (Imagine calling Obama that)
Tea baggers
Nazis on campus

Since 2016, leftists scream nazi, terrorist and murderer. They target and attack individuals and businesses who disagree with them. They riot and commit violence to shut down free speech. They shout nonsense like ‘anti truth squads’ at all who don’t accept their version of the truth. And I am proud of them for doing so.

That’s inclusive?! What you just described is the same as Hitler’s Brown Shirts!


right wing policies that deny rights, take away religious freedoms, deny free speech rights to those that aren’t the same color or religion as they are.

Name these policies, j2t2. List them so we know what you’re referring to. Give us the code that passed the congress and signed by the president that does the things you describe.

That was the most vile and hate filled comment I read for a long time. Congratulations, j2t2. You’ve become what you describe.


Posted by: Weary Willie at April 12, 2018 4:44 PM
Comment #426189

I stand corrected about your position on the president j2t2. If I understand correctly, you believe that President Trump and a Republican congress will be so bad that voters will reject them in huge numbers in the 2020 election.

Hmmm…you believe that working class families aren’t pleased with more money in their paychecks?

You believe that a majority of Americans want more illegals coming to our country to sap our financial resources and take jobs from Americans and thus, lower wages for the working class?

You believe the entire nation should become a sanctuary for illegals?

You believe that mixing genders in toilets and showers in our schools should be approved?

You believe your leaders are correct when they say conservatives are “deplorable” and are clinging to old fashioned ideas about “guns and religion”?

You believe in two standards of justice; one very favorable to Liberals and the other harmful to Conservatives?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 12, 2018 4:57 PM
Comment #426196
What you describe is not inclusive.
The college kids I refer to are inclusive in their ideology when it comes to people different than them. As an example they don’t want gays beat and killed nor rousted out of bars and harassed by police for being gay. The fascist ideology would allow the beatings killings and harassment to continue. That is exclusive IMHO.


The left is shouting down anyone they don’t want to listen to.

Not anyone just the haters Weary, the KKK, the Nazi’s the Fascist that are running wild now their man is president. These provocateurs are inciting people around the country with their hateful words and deeds.Then you blame those that refuse to appease these scumbags. I’m proud of these anti-fa and their refusal to appease the feckless bullies that you support Weary.


Both issues with Spencer and Inghrams are grievances the left concocted and you’re using these concocted gripes to paint a wide swath against anyone who disagrees with you.

Time to lay off the conservative kool aid Weary. This simply isn’t true. Twisting events into something other than what they are Weary is what Chamberlain, The famous British conservative appeaser did as he appeased the Nazis prior to WWII. These anti-fa aren’t falling for the rhetoric you guys use to protect the fascist, things like “free speech rights just for the right”. After all these kids are simply exercising their free speech rights as well.

Spencer says, “Trump” and all of the sudden Trump is a Nazi.

Trump courted these guys during his run for office Weary. He has invigorated them and talks more highly of them than he does the people they killed at Spencers support the white rally.

Inghrams tells a kid, who manufactured a villain while ignoring the left’s errors, to grow up and she’s spewing hatred.

Twisting facts to support these haters again Weary. Inghram apologized BTW, so she did cross the line when it came to hating on a high school kid . “Manufactured a villain” thats great Weary, 3 Zeig Heil’s Goebbels would be proud.

Listen to what you just put in your last comment!

So good at taking things out of context to make your point Weary. So good. To bad it doesn’t make your point because it is taken out of context.

And further and further down the rabbit hole we go. Take what I said out of context, tell me It’s all my fault, I’m a conservative is your conclusion, what a surprise.

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