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Citibank Requiring Gun Store Customers to Quit Selling ‘High Capacity’ Magazines


When a corporation undermines the constitution in it's business practices, it's Fascism.

This is what it looks like when corporations replace government.

Citibank, the next Dutch West India Company. From being told what to do by corporations, to being told what to do by corporations, in just a few short centuries. Congratulations folks, d.a.n was right, our country has come full circle.

Posted by Weary_Willie at March 23, 2018 2:15 PM
Comments
Comment #425717

It’ll bite them in the ass. I’m not worried about it. The left will trot out “they’re a private company” and can do as they please, but won’t give the bakers who chose not to bake a cake for a gay wedding the same consideration. Oh well.

Posted by: dbs at March 23, 2018 4:49 PM
Comment #425718

The people who have been screaming “fascist” should be livid!

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 23, 2018 5:09 PM
Comment #425719

Why Weary. Why should I be livid? Because you call this business arrangement fascism? This is capitalism not fascism. When Trump, or some Georgia legislator gets involved to protect the gun industry like they did with the airline a few weeks back, then it becomes fascism.
You know what I am livid about Weary, I am livid about this “When a corporation undermines the constitution in it’s business practices, it’s Fascism. This is what it looks like when corporations replace government.”statement of yours. It is wrong on many levels.

The Constitution protects us from the government, had the government made a law forcing the corporation to do this then you would have a case…right? On another level I am livid because you guys , conservatives have been harping on the free market and deregulation forever. You have argued for smaller government and have allowed corporations to become bigger and bigger. Conservatives have told us government cannot do anything right only business can do it right. Now that some business has offended your misguided interpretation of the 2nd amendment you are outraged. The void in government that the NRA has caused has been privatized and you seem upset.

IMHO I think dbs is right this won’t amount to much, other banks will loan and service these stores.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 23, 2018 6:32 PM
Comment #425721

What happened to the 14th amendment argument, j2t2? These people have been discriminated against because of their beliefs.

I think you and I both agree that corporations are not people. Corporations should not have constitutional rights. Corporations are given permission to exist. When corporations start making social decisions that discriminate, that corporation should no longer have a right to exist.

I couldn’t give a hoot if the CEO of Citibank no longer did business with people associated with the NRA. That’s his prerogative. When that same person uses the accumulated wealth and influence of a corporation to punish his customers for not thinking the way he does… that’s fascism.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 23, 2018 9:18 PM
Comment #425734

WW

“Corporations should not have constitutional rights. Corporations are given permission to exist. When corporations start making social decisions that discriminate, that corporation should no longer have a right to exist.”

Corporations are made up of people, and people have opinions, and make decisions based on those opinions, and those people have constitutional rights.. I believe citigroup has the right as a private entity to make that decision. Just like the people who owned that bakery had the right to make the decision they did, whether I agree with it or not. Public opinion will ultimately decide the consequences for that decision.

Posted by: dbs at March 24, 2018 8:46 AM
Comment #425736

Corporations are made up of people, and each and every one of those people have a voice. Corporations are tools. They are not people. Corporations should not be able to use their aggregated wealth and longevity to influence any decision.

You are saying that since a person works for a corporation they are subject to that corporation’s opinion. Are you willing to guarantee that every employee of Citibank is represented in this decision? What of the employees who disagree with this? Aren’t they being forced to support gun control without their consent?

This is just as if a union takes it’s union dues and contributes to a politician. Not all the members of that union are going to support the union’s choices, but they are forced to pay none-the-less. That practice is being challenged, as it should be.

I see no difference in Citibank’s decision to subvert the 2nd amendment. Can you honestly say every employee and every shareholder of Citibank agrees with this? Are those that don’t agree being silenced? I believe they are being silenced by the dominating and overpowering weight of the corporation.

Any other issue would bring 14th amendment activists swarming out of the woodwork, but since this is about guns we are throwing the 1st and 14th amendments out the window. We are allowing corporations to replace it’s employee’s and shareholder’s 1st amendment with it’s own “right” to free speech, a right it shouldn’t have because corporations are tools, not people.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 24, 2018 12:01 PM
Comment #425737
I think you and I both agree that corporations are not people. Corporations should not have constitutional rights.

Agreed.

Corporations are given permission to exist. When corporations start making social decisions that discriminate, that corporation should no longer have a right to exist.

Does that incl;ude all business entities such as the LLC baker or sole prop. baker that discriminates against gays or minorities?

I couldn’t give a hoot if the CEO of Citibank no longer did business with people associated with the NRA. That’s his prerogative. When that same person uses the accumulated wealth and influence of a corporation to punish his customers for not thinking the way he does… that’s fascism.

Well…it’s Libertarian IMHO. Conservatives have also jumped on this bandwagon, the farther to the right the more they think corporations are people. When you hear the mantra of these people “small government” you know it is code for big corporations usurping the role of government. Efficiency is another code word for corporate state control.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 24, 2018 12:19 PM
Comment #425738
Corporations are made up of people, and people have opinions, and make decisions based on those opinions, and those people have constitutional rights..

So then lets call thse individual rights of the people that work at the corporations “rights 1.”

I believe citigroup has the right as a private entity to make that decision.

Citigroup is a publicly held corporation operating under a charter. You want to confer what I would call “rights2” onto the corporation as each individual already has “rights 1”.

Just like the people who owned that bakery had the right to make the decision they did, whether I agree with it or not.

The Bakery operates on a business license. The individual who owns the bakery already has “rights 1” you want to give them “rights 2”.

IMHO “rights2” is collective rights not individual rights. The Owner or CEO has ganged individual rights into a group and controls these rights.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 24, 2018 12:29 PM
Comment #425739

The sole proprietor is one vote. He can and should determine his own clientele.

A corporation operates and exists under the dictates of it’s charter. If state politicians grant a charter to a corporation to bake cakes, that charter should determine whether or not that corporation must bake every cake requested of it. It could also grant a charter to a corporation designed to bake only gay wedding themed cakes. The state could satisfy the 14th by granting other corporations a charter to bake conventional cakes, also.

I see the problem as we’ve allowed the corporation to become uncontrollable. We grant a charter to a pin-nailer and allow it to grow into a jack hammer. Politicians give that jack hammer the same consideration it gives citizens by allowing it to have free speech, to grow unchecked, to delve into areas it isn’t chartered for.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/Monsanto-Company
Monsanto was an independent company founded in 1901. It’s fame was to produce an artificial sweetener and selling it to Coco-Cola. It existed and thrived under private ownership until 1933 when it was incorporated. My opinion is that when Monsanto incorporated it should have been locked into it’s current position by it’s charter. It’s purpose would be defined by it’s charter. It would not have been allowed to develop into, what I consider to be, a monopoly shown in the link below.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29512805_10155236426486316_2471473382050718857_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8ad45e0fcf883c7e86123d1accd0b9b6&oe=5B3BD896

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 24, 2018 2:01 PM
Comment #425740

Everything from Aunt Jemima to V8 is controlled by Monsanto.

Why? Why is Monsanto (the corporation) even needed? Why won’t the individual corporations suffice?

Every name on that list is also a corporation, and they all answer to Monsanto. Are any of you comfortable with the power, reach, wealth, Monsanto has over you?

Are we willing to say the CEO of Monsanto has a right to speak for each and every employee of all of those corporations listed in that image?

When you give that CEO that much power you are supporting Fascism.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
Comment #425742

Weary, check into Natural News a bit before you believe what they say.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/monsanto-owned-companies/

While you are at it here is some more info on the subject.

If you really want to dig into some history on holding companies, corporations and big business in general and their effects on the country (amongst many other interesting things) during the administrations of Wilson through Hoover I recommend “Between the Wars America 1919-1941” by David A Shannon.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 24, 2018 5:12 PM
Comment #425743

Fascism usually involves cooperation between a government and business, like corporatism. Recent examples would be the tax cuts that gave the financial sector, including Citibank, enormous savings. Note this involves cooperating with the party in power, the GOP. Another example would be allowing Hobby Lobby to discriminate based on its religious views. Discrimination is a common attribute of a fascist state.

There is no question that defining corporations as people enables a fascist outcome. There is no question the Citizens United decision does the same. Once again, note these examples come from conservative Republicans putting justices on the court that protect this interpretation.

By refusing to finance high capacity magazines Citibank did NOT engage in any form of illegal discrimination- not religious, not racial, not ageist, not gender, and not even political, since both Democrats and Republicans may wish to purchase magazines intended to permit killing large numbers of people without reloading.

Speaking of guns and gun control- where was our leader, President Trump, today? There were enormous marches all over the country. Oh wait. Trump is golfing. Never mind.

Everyone ready for the Stormy Daniels interview tomorrow night? Trump did his best to distract from the Playboy model interview by surprising his staff with the timing, and suddenly firing McMaster. Think he will pull the same trick Sunday night or Monday morning? Apparently Stormy has a DVD. There is an advertisement showing a picture of a DVD next to a safe, and the claim “a picture is worth a thousand words.”

Posted by: phx8 at March 24, 2018 6:45 PM
Comment #425744

OH, BOY phx8, se# in prime time. What more could a Libbie ask for?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 24, 2018 7:33 PM
Comment #425745

Citibank is using it’s influence to dictate the social behavior of it’s customers. It is enforcing laws that have not been passed by any legislature. Citibank is not in the business of manufacturing or selling high capacity magazines. Citibank is at best an uninterested third party in those transactions.

Perhaps a bank teller at Citibank enjoys membership in the NRA. If Citibank can dictate social policy to it’s customers what would stop Citibank from firing employees who are 18-21 and own a gun? What is stopping Citibank from firing it’s employees who are NRA members or forcing them to renounce their membership to keep their job? How is that any different from what they’re doing to their customers with this?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 24, 2018 10:07 PM
Comment #425746

j2t2, thanks for the heads up on that Monsanto image. I intended to use it to demonstrate the broad reach one corporation has into our daily lives. Citibank should have remained the focus of my comment.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 24, 2018 10:11 PM
Comment #425747

RF,
Personally, I will not watch the Stormy Daniels interview. She is an intelligent, articulate woman without shame. Trump may not be intelligent or articulate, but he certainly is shameless. They were made for each other, never mind Karen McDougal, the first or second wife, or the gold digger Trump hooked up with at a ‘model party.’ Bottom line, it is a matter for Trump and Melania and their children to resolve. Heaven knows what kind of flexible morality Christian Evangelicals will use to justify Trump’s relationships with women. Have fun with that.

WW,
You write: ” Citibank is using it’s influence to dictate the social behavior of it’s customers.”

Perfectly legal, as long as it does not involve illegal forms of discrimination. Customers can choose not to do business with Citibank.

“It is enforcing laws that have not been passed by any legislature.”

No. Citibank is not enforcing any laws. It is observing laws while enforcing its own policy.

Many states have ‘right to work’ laws passed by conservative Republicans. Right to work laws are horrendous. Employers can fire employees for any reason at any time, as long as it does not involve age, gender, religious, or racial discrimination. Gun ownership would probably violate the law, but corporations have years of practice hiding those kinds of motivations. They can just say ‘because’ and they are ok. The only ones that legally matter are age, gender, religious, or racial reasons.

Posted by: phx8 at March 24, 2018 10:48 PM
Comment #425748

Citibank is telling it’s customers they will suffer repercussions from Citibank if they sell weapons to anyone 18-21 years old. That is making up a law. There is no law that states an 18-21 year old is not permitted to purchase a firearm. 42 states have no laws prohibiting high capacity magazines. Citibank is enforcing a wishlist of laws they are too impatient to wait for legally. This is a corporation enforcing laws it has manufactured on it’s own. The mere fact that government is allowing Citibank to create pseudo laws is cooperating with corporations. That is Fascism. The government is allowing Citibank to discriminate against the 18-21 age group. The government is allowing Citibank to discriminate against it’s customers that partake in the legal purchase of a product, a product that may cross state lines in which case would violate the commerce clause.

This exercise is fraught with violations of the constitution. The only reason it is acceptable is because we accept it, we make excuses for it, and we make excuses for why we’re not addressing it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 12:37 AM
Comment #425749

“Citibank is telling it’s customers they will suffer repercussions from Citibank if they sell weapons to anyone 18-21 years old. That is making up a law.”

No. That is not a law. A government makes a law through its legislature, and a law is subject to oversight by a court. A corporation only creates a policy. A corporation can create any policy it wants, sell what it wants, or refuse to provide customers on any basis as long as the basis is not illegal- as long as it does not involve discrimination. Citibank is creating a policy that applies to everyone equally, regardless of race, religion, gender, age, or political affiliation. There is no discrimination with this policy. A consumer is free to use Citibank or another provider. Even if every credit card company in the world followed Citibank’s example it would not be illegal, because a consumer would still be free to purchase using legal tender. It is not up to banks to cater to anyone’s opinions on what services the bank should provide, and a bank is free to create policies as long as they are non-discriminatory.

Posted by: phx8 at March 25, 2018 1:09 AM
Comment #425750

Citibank clearly discriminates against 18-21 year old people. Why are you ignoring that point?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 1:25 AM
Comment #425751

The Federal Reserve is a private, anonymous, corporation, phx8. Where are you going to draw the line?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 1:29 AM
Comment #425752

I’ll take that back also. I could have unpublished that comment, but I didn’t. I am acknowledging my error. However, we are talking about a bank.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 1:55 AM
Comment #425753

“Citigroup is a publicly held corporation operating under a charter. You want to confer what I would call “rights2” onto the corporation as each individual already has “rights 1”.”

So…are you arguing that they don’t have the right to discriminate against their customers who are operating completely within their rights under the law, in order to push a political opinion ? In this case the sale of firearms to those legally allowed to buy them. And the sales of legal accessories IE magazines holding more than 10 rounds.

The only differentiation I would make would be when gov’t funding is involved. Then you give up the right to make decisions that could be considered discriminatory. As long as no one is being forced to fund their activities, they are completely within their rights to do as they see fit. And to be clear, I’m not okay with what citigroup is doing, but IMO they have the right to do it.

Posted by: dbs at March 25, 2018 8:41 AM
Comment #425754

phx8


” A corporation can create any policy it wants, sell what it wants, or refuse to provide customers on any basis as long as the basis is not illegal- as long as it does not involve discrimination.”

So a muslim bakery has to bake a cake for a gay wedding ? I’d love to see this one play out. Equal justice under the law has become subject to political correctness in this country.

Posted by: dbs at March 25, 2018 8:55 AM
Comment #425758

J2, I hope you read the article because it says that MANDATORY MILITARY SERVICE is required of ALL fit. And it also says that males are trained in GUN USE. Also it says that anyone convicted of a crime, or has alcohol or drug problems cannot buy a gun.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at March 25, 2018 3:09 PM
Comment #425760

“Heaven knows what kind of flexible morality Christian Evangelicals will use to justify Trump’s relationships with women. Have fun with that.”

Well phx8, have you read or heard any Christian advocating for, or excusing, the President’s past unsavory behavior regarding women? I have not.

My vote for Trump was based upon my desire to see changes in government. I can’t recall voting for anyone as president based upon their religious background or position on social issues.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 25, 2018 4:07 PM
Comment #425761

Hmmm…how would you answer this query?

The First National Bank of Anywhere has announced that it will no longer honor credit cards used at abortion centers; or for use in certain American states, or foreign countries whose policies are not liked by the bank.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 25, 2018 4:20 PM
Comment #425762

..will no longer service customers who sells soft drinks in New York.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 4:32 PM
Comment #425763

.. will no longer service customers who sell fossil fuels.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 4:34 PM
Comment #425765

Citibank is setting a precedent. However foolish the examples above are, they are all possible if Citibank’s behavior is accepted in society.

This is an example of knee jerk social warriors shooting themselves in the foot. Any of the so called advances the left has forced onto the public are subject to this same exact treatment from banks and businesses that disagree with them. If Citibank can use policy to modify social behavior then so can everyone else regardless of the cause.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 25, 2018 4:43 PM
Comment #425785

Not fascism, Weary.

socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Posted by: kctim at March 26, 2018 6:00 PM
Comment #425786

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 26, 2018 6:38 PM
Comment #425787

I’m watching this now.

https://youtu.be/hTbvoiTJKIs

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 26, 2018 6:47 PM
Comment #425800

I have read the Britt opinion before. It is an extremely dishonest comparison of our country, our form of government, and our original American culture, to fascism. It uses gross exaggerations to make it’s points and, it is the kind of drivel that feeds the nazi nonsense J2 shares with us on here.
I haven’t felt the need to look into Britt, but crap like this is usually made to promote socialism, or to at least create the false narrative that between socialism and fascism, socialism is the lesser evil.

Citibank is a private business and it has the right to operate as it wishes. There is no proof that it is operating on behalf of the government, or that its actions will help them ‘gain the benefit of government favoritism’.

What we have seen however, are leftist activists using their newfound numbers to circumvent the Constitution by regulating the means of production, distribution, and exchange, on the community and business level.
The goal is to condition behavior and reform opinion, not bring in fascism.

Posted by: kctim at March 27, 2018 9:45 AM
Comment #425803

Kctim always blaming the left because the right wingers keep moving farther and farther to the right. When it quacks like a duck it must be a leftist plot because in kctims world it can’t be a duck. Meanwhile he continues to tell us it isn’t Fascism when his team does it. All the while those rich JBS benefactors of the right continue to bring fascism to this country disguised as freedom and liberty, wrapped in a flag and holding the bible.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 27, 2018 11:17 AM
Comment #425806

J2,

Throughout our nations history, Americans have always held a deep regard for our freedom, our liberty, our flag, and the bible. To equate that culture to fascism is beyond ridiculous.
IF what you say were true, it would mean that we have been a fascist state from the time of our founding.

I can provide example after example of how the left has moved left, and has continued to move further and further left. He11, I can even provide examples of Republicans moving left to accommodate you.
You however, have been asked countless times to provide examples of actual fascism and have failed to do so.

Face it J2, you guys are simply throwing out “fascism” at everything that doesn’t align with your personal beliefs.

Posted by: kctim at March 27, 2018 12:10 PM
Comment #425809

No one is equating our cultural history to fasism kctim. What is being said is these cultural mores are being used to bring fascism to…wait.. hold on… lets not call it fascism…. lets call it the merger of state and corporate power instead…America. Ahhh you are right to long. Lets shorten it to Fascism. Our deep regard of liberty and freedom is being used against us kctim. In a negative way, to merge the power of state and corporate power.

Do you really think that because you have examples of some on the left moving farther to the left you have someone made a case that conservatives haven’t moved so far to the right they are in line with the JBS? Really!

Kctim, There are many things that don’t align with my personal beliefs yet I don’t consider them to be fascistic. That is a silly argument you use to hide the truth about the right wing in this country.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 27, 2018 2:03 PM
Comment #425810

Fascist was the name of a political party. Many think it was Mussolini that created Fascism. He actually created the Fascist party in Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party

I can see how one wouldn’t recognize fascism if it wasn’t tied to Mussolini and Hitler. It is also described as cooperation between government and corporations. We see that every day in this country.

kctim, how far do you think your 2000$ goes when you send it to a politician you support? You don’t send politicians 2000$? How much do you send to politicians? Do you send it to one politician or do you send 2000$ to every politician that will vote for your cause? Now, compare your 2000$ to Citibank’s 2000$ contribution. How badly did you have to want to send that 2000$ to your politician to actually send it? How badly did Citibank want to send 2000$ to the politician who supports their cause? Did you send 2000$ to every politician? Did Citibank limit their contributions to only their own congressman? How many congressmen represent Citibank? How many represent you?

Corporate America and the American government work hand in hand at every level. Government listens to the non-person (corporations) more than they listen to you because corporations can contribute much more to many politicians. They can afford it. You can’t. Citibank can afford to contribute huge amounts of money to PACS, also. Can you? Do you send a million dollars to the Gun Control PACS whenever a school shooting occurs? I’ll bet Citibank does. Since government hasn’t acted fast enough to satisfy Citibank’s urge to ban guns, they have decided to become the law and replace the government’s role. They have decided to discriminate based on age against those who exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms.

I don’t see politicians denouncing age discrimination in this case, kctim. It seems the government is allowing Citibank, and by default, all corporations big enough to enforce this, to discriminate. Where’s your outrage? Is it muffled by the emotion of the past few years of violence?

Let’s not get confused. Fascism isn’t a political party in this country. It’s an agreement between corporations and government that benefit corporations and government. If actual individuals are in the way, tough. Individuals don’t have the money corporations have. That’s why corporations should not be involved in government. That’s what our founders recognized this and it was a major reason they fought a revolution.

Don’t fall for it, kctim. Citibank is replacing laws with their own policies. You may not see the danger with just Citibank, but remember, Citibank is attached to the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve controls all the banks.

The Federal Reserve is a corporation. Imagine if it was the Federal Reserve who decided 18-21 year old citizens are not included under the 2nd amendment. What if it was the Federal Reserve that mandated this policy onto all of it’s member banks. What would happen then? If Citibank has this power, why doesn’t the Federal Reserve? Would you be saying the Federal Reserve has a right to determine it’s own policies like it’s being said Citibank does?

Are you willing to wait to find out?


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 27, 2018 2:20 PM
Comment #425830

Weary,
I don’t think anyone disagrees that a little tit for tat goes on with individuals, but that is corruption, not actual fascism.

“Since government hasn’t acted fast enough to satisfy Citibank’s urge to ban guns, they have decided to become the law and replace the government’s role.”

What you are describing is not a “merger of corporate power and state power”, it is a private company acting on its own. They are not using government to create law, nor are they being used as an arm of government.
Citibank is a part of the community, not our government. They are acting in support of the social organization to affect the production, distribution, and exchange of high cap mags. Their policies are not creating laws that dictate how individuals or other entities must follow.

The only way to see fascism on our doorstep is to engage in hyperbole, Weary.

Posted by: kctim at March 28, 2018 9:42 AM
Comment #425832

Their policies are not creating laws that dictate how individuals or other entities must follow.

But they are! They’re telling their customers not to sell product to a third party. They’re not waiting for the government to ban HC Magazines. They’re not waiting for the government to ban the sales of long guns to 18-21 year old people. They’re doing that on their own. They’re telling their customers to tell their customers “no sale”.

Imagine Citibank telling their car dealer customers to stop selling Fords, or telling McDonald’s to stop selling Pepsi! Would that be ok with you?

You also didn’t address my assertion that if Citibank can do this to their customers, the Federal Reserve could also do to their member banks. Where should we draw the line, kctim?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 28, 2018 10:00 AM
Comment #425833

Weary, Citibanks policy is that you can’t do those things IF you choose to use Citibanks services. There is no law requiring sellers to use Citibanks services.

I am perfectly ok with private businesses creating company policy that they deem is in their best interest.
Financial institutions already set policy for how their money can be used.

I didn’t comment on the Federal Reserve because I don’t know enough about it to do so, Weary. I have no idea if it has the authority to determine what products are good for the nations monetary policy or not. Sorry.

Posted by: kctim at March 28, 2018 12:22 PM
Comment #425837

I hope you take advantage of this post. Citibank is part of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve is an independently owned corporation. I’m surprised you consider a bank to be just another business. It is, but it’s been granted a monopoly of our money by the government.

Did you hear the claim that all the income taxes collected goes to pay interest on the debt? Why does our government borrow money with interest from the Federal Reserve when it can print it’s money for free? If that isn’t a cooperation between government and corporations I don’t know what is. When corporations and government are in cahoots with each other, demanding certain social behaviors of people, it’s fascism.

What Citibank is doing is the nose of the camel. When the camel is in the tent, it’s name will be The Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 28, 2018 5:27 PM
Comment #425838

How is Citibank going to know an 18-21 year old bought a long gun at The Long Gun Store? How is Citibank going to know when someone purchases a HC magazine? Will government pass laws that allow banks to mandate identification of specific product being purchased? That will be the only way Citibank will be able to enforce it’s policy. If it comes to pass, that’s fascism.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 28, 2018 5:36 PM
Comment #425839

Here is a well written and informative refresher course on the history, function, and composition of the Federal Reserve.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/in-plain-english/chair-of-the-federal-reserve-board

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 28, 2018 5:37 PM
Comment #425841

I found this quote in your link.

For the Fed, supervising banks generally means helping to establish safe and sound banking practices and protecting consumers in financial transactions.

Should it be amended to say “and protecting some consumers in financial transactions.”?

This quote is from Wikipedia.

Citigroup ranks 4th on the list of largest banks in the United States by assets and is one of the Big Four banks in the United States, alongside JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo.[5] In 2016, Citigroup ranked 29th in size on the Fortune 500 list.[6]

Citigroup got a big bailout! Is this a product of that bailout? Did the government insist Citibank set this precedent as a condition of the bailout?

If so, that’s fascism.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 28, 2018 8:03 PM
Comment #425842

Answer this, kctim, How is Citibank going to enforce this policy?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 28, 2018 8:05 PM
Comment #425848

Weary,
I tried to reply yesterday and kept getting an error. Hopefully this one makes it thru.

According to your Breitbart link, people can still purchase what they want: “It doesn’t impact the ability of consumers to use their Citi cards at merchants of their choice.”

Something of interest though, is that they say this in the Citi Group response: “We recognize that we don’t have all the answers and that existing technology in our industry doesn’t allow for a more targeted approach at points of sale.

How is Citibank going to enforce this policy?
They can’t, at least not effectively. The best they can do is to go after the big guys, put wording in their contracts and then rely on leftist activist poutrage to notify them.

If this, then that equals fascism, is not a sign of actual fascism. Neither are predictions a sign of it.

Posted by: kctim at March 29, 2018 9:15 AM
Comment #425849
If they opt not to, we will respect their decision and work with them to transition their business away from Citi.

This is a “do as we say, or go somewhere else.” attitude. It will affect the individual’s ability to use their Citibank card at retail establishments that sell firearms.

What we have is a bank entrusted with the monopoly over our money telling it’s customers who they will be allowed to do business with and what products they can sell.

Sure, they can honor a different card, but what if all the banks do this? What if all retail merchants are forced to refrain from selling certain product or are banned from doing business with certain individuals based on their age, or any criteria they deem appropriate at the time? Who’s to stop them if this precedent is set?

It’s a pretty slippery slope, don’t you think?

I can’t understand why gay folks are allowing this discrimination to go unchallenged! Must there be prerequisites to discrimination for it to be considered discrimination?

I also have a problem with posting sometimes. I found that restarting my browser will always correct the problem that is causing the error. It just happened on this post. I’m using Foxfire, what about you?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 29, 2018 11:07 AM
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I guess it’s Firefox.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 29, 2018 11:11 AM
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Yes, I’m also using Firefox. Thanks for the tip, I’ll give it a try.

Posted by: kctim at March 29, 2018 11:18 AM
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I use Firefox as well and get error codes when trying to post some of the time. Restarting does seem to help. I also have a problem using copy and paste functions on Firefox since about two updates ago. Restarting also seems to help that as well.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 29, 2018 4:10 PM
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Maybe Mozilla shouldn’t have run off the guy that wrote the dang thing.

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