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How Should Trump Deliver The News To N. Kor.?

Within a month or so it is likely a WH rep come face to face with a N. Kor rep. How should President Trump deliver the message of ‘no nukes’ to N. Kor.?

Options might be that if N. Kor. doesn't sign up for a _______ inspection of its missile facilities and abide by an agreement to dismantle them by ______, then the US will:

Bring all shipping into and out of N. Kor. to a halt

Loose a 'Mother Of All Bombs' on their largest nuclear/missile facility(ies)

Give warning and target a specific gov't building within Pong Yang

Give warning and pock mark their main parade grounds in Pong Yang

Whichever option he might choose, he should warn them that any offensive action at the dmz would result in lotsa MOAB's on Pong Yang.

Posted by Roy Ellis at March 6, 2018 4:20 PM
Comment #425127

He should keep doing what he is now doing, which is maintaining an embargo on N. Korea. He is using satellite imagery to prove illegal transfers of cargo between ships. He’s putting the hurt on N. Korea and N. Korea wouldn’t be coming to the table without that hurt being effective.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2018 4:32 PM
Comment #425128

Do you know we’re still at war with North Korea? The longest war in American history. This war has been on the books for over half a century. Afghanistan? Ha! A blink of an eye compared to North Korea.

A state of emergency has existed since the Korean war started. Since the war is still ongoing so is the state of emergency. In a state of emergency the president has almost dictatorial powers. Millions of people have lived their entire lives without knowing what the powers of the president would be without a state of emergency. Just imagine how much of the economy is under the control of the military, the president’s exclusive domain, with dictatorial powers to boot!

Imagine what could happen if that war was over! The President’s role in governing would have to be completely rethought to disengage from that state of emergency.

For all of those who are apprehensive about that kind of change, don’t worry. We still have a state of emergency in Afghanistan and many other little “wars” going on all over the world.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2018 4:42 PM
Comment #425214

Kim has agreed to go face to face with President Trump. On its face it would seem unsmart for Kim to reneg on any agreement they might reach.

But, I have to believe that Kim will reneg. No way he will go down without a fight, IMO.

I’m sure President Trump believes Kim is just buying time. I would assume the President is ready now to take Kim out at some point.

Question is, how does the President get rid of Kim and prevent the deaths of a large number of S. Kor’s?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 8, 2018 11:09 PM
Comment #425225

Negotiating with terrorist used to be against our principles. Previous administrations held to this stance and didn’t give Kim the attention he craved as he schemed for his ransom. Now it seems Trump will negotiate with Kim. On bended knee he will go to S. Korea instead of meeting Kim at the UN and getting other countries involved in the process.

Trump can’t really nuke N.Korea without China and S. Korea in the fall out zone. So he will have to throw big nation building money at the problem, so it seems another tax cut is in order if we stick with conservative ideology, which Kim will take whilst continuing on the sly with his nuclear program. What we do know based upon past experience is Trump will not honor the deal after it is made. Kim will have the excuse he needs to break the deal when he is ready.

So it seems to me Trump has but one choice, call in daddy Putin to get rid of the N.Korea problem the Russian way. My guess is Putin will buddy up to Kim and sell him whatever he needs down the road while spending us into the poor house. Sure hope I am way off on this one but with Trump steering the bus I think we should worry that his answer to the problem will be conservative in ideology and work towards making the US small again.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 9, 2018 10:28 AM
Comment #425237

Have you taken the phx8’s Fortune Telling-101 course, j2t2?

Bended knee!? Since when? Only in your head, j2t2.

Why are you assuming Trump will not honor a deal made? What experience are you referring to?

Don’t worry, j2t2, Trump can have “more flexibility” after the election, right?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 9, 2018 12:03 PM
Comment #425284

Strategic global thinking is not your strong suit j2t2. Please don’t continue to embarrass yourself with speculation on President Trump and North Korea. It is unseemly that a grown person should be so naive.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 9, 2018 5:53 PM
Comment #425310

Yes but you voted for him Royal. Especially naive when it comes to Putin and manipulations. And you are right trying to outguess what Trump will do to gain ratings for his reality TV administration.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 11, 2018 10:58 AM
Comment #425311

j2t2 is jealous that his party isn’t getting the accolades for a rebounding economy and foreign leaders recognizing true leadership. He’s beside himself (and talking to himself also) about baseless rumors fueled by only accusations. His entire debate strategy is to belittle you for not falling for it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 11, 2018 12:47 PM
Comment #425323

Weary, your hatred is showing once again. You are allowing those that divide us to win. If you have problems with what I have said why not point them out. I threw out a lot of different stuff, what is it that you think is wrong?

Didn’t negotiating with terrorist used to be against our principles? Did previous administrations hold to this stance or did I forget something? Perhaps Obama wanted to talk with Kim and it was considered wrong to do so but it’s alright now? Do you consider Kim to not be a terrorist?

Do you think we can have the capability to wipe out the N Korea nuclear locations without hurting either China or S.Korea? Do we have the stick or the carrot Weary?

Do you think the answer doesn’t require the US taxpayer shelling out nation building type dollars?

Do you think either of the two have the strength of character and the integrity to stick with with any deal they make?

Will Putin not be involved as he tries to increase his sphere of influence around the world? Will he not be directing Trump to the outcome best for the Russians and the most costly to us?

SO what foreign leaders have recognized Trump as some sort of “true leadership”? He can’t seem to manage the White House, the press corps or anything but a Tee time at his own resort every weekend. What has caused this “true leadership” recognition these world leaders you mention see in Trump?

I am amazed you are so politically correct we can’t even have a frank and open discussion without you getting butt hurt to the point all you can do is spew insults at me. Tell you what I will try to be a bit more politically correct …ok?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 12, 2018 2:19 PM
Comment #425324

Seems to me j2 you left wingers can’t make up your minds what you want. One time you want dialogue next time you say he’s negotiating with a terrorist. You praised Obama for giving Iran a whole bunch of cash secretly but you condemn Trump for accepting N. K. invitation to talk. I don’t think you left wingers know what you want.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at March 12, 2018 3:56 PM
Comment #425326

KAP you probably shouldn’t judge other by what I say, throwing all of us left of center types into one pot may cause you to assume to much.

Are you speaking of half truths KAP when it comes to the Iran cash?

Talking to North Korea may well be a good idea if we had a president that we could trust to do so. The problem is Trump. If he continues to do what he has done so far in this administration would any one feel comfortable with him talking to Kim. Where do we stand with the TPP? Out in the cold, the great negotiator Trump has left the US completely out of the deal with the rest of the Trans Pacific countries. Laughing stock of a world leader IMHO. The man just doesn’t have what it takes to be talking anything important to anyone important.

He can’t run this administration, can’t keep staff in the WH. His choices for staffing his administration is based solely upon the qualification of subservience to Trump. Can’t go a day without a lie, who would trust him. His continued assault on the free press is abhorrent. Do you think trusting him with the responsibility of handling N. Korea is wise? Him and Kim seem to be two peas in a pod.

How much longer before Trump is spending his days, nights and weekends with his growing legal staff as Mueller tightens the screws. The stress levels have to be taking it’s toll. His 15 minutes are up IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 12, 2018 6:12 PM
Comment #425327

J2, you would rather have a lap dog like Obama who bowed to every other leader and kissed their A××? Also apologized to them for what I don’t know. But I guess that is the mantra of liberals kiss a×× and apologize.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at March 12, 2018 8:43 PM
Comment #425328

j2t2, you better tune in to your most trusted news source, Saturday Night Live, and get informed. The Meuller investigation is done. They have found what they’ve been saying all along, nothing. Like I said, you’re just pissed we didn’t fall for your fantasy.

And your other trusted news sources you cling to aren’t going to tell you what national leaders are truly saying about Trump. They can’t. It would bust the fragile bubble Democratics have inflated about themselves.

Humpty Dempty fell off the wall, j2t2. All the Clinton’s men and all of Obama’s horses can’t put it back together again.

Democratics are beside themselves, agonizing over their failure. They’re lashing out with any and everything they can think of to stay in power. One thing they fail to realize. The Democratics are morally bankrupt liars and the American people finally have a leader in Trump they can trust. Your party is incapable of handling the truth. They haven’t stopped crying since the failed election party.

It’s time to start thinking for yourself, j2t2. At least have an open mind. Recognize Trump’s accomplishments and be happy for the people who are benefiting from them. Quit being the stick in the mud that refuses to see a silver lining.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2018 12:20 AM
Comment #425341

So the two of you cannot muster a defense of Trump but instead choose to use the old standby of “well so are you” and projecting as your argument.

You wonder why I am not as hopeful as you would have us believe you are, yet you cannot say anything to rebut what I have offered as my reasoning for being less than hopeful about the K. Korea situation.

Certainly you can do better than that guys. Give me a reason to have some hope that Trump can handle this. My guess is we should look to the highest bidder to see what will happen in N.Korea.

Now that we know the repubs couldn’t find corruption if it were wearing a bright red hat with MAGA on it I think we can assume the flood gates will open and we can expect to see Putin taking a more active role in what we will do as a nation.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 13, 2018 11:03 AM
Comment #425342

How do you rebut wishful thinking and lies,j2t2? Haven’t you been listening to the news? There’s no there there.

I’m waiting for anything you espouse to come true. It hasn’t happened yet. It probably won’t, but that won’t stop you guys from ginning up another fairy tale to consume your simple minds and nurture your primal hatred for anything that works that you can’t claim as yours.

Just because you can’t take credit for it doesn’t mean it’s harmful.

When are you going to apologize for all the incorrect assertions your party has made over the last year?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2018 11:20 AM
Comment #425343

J2 all we have seen from you and others of your thinking is assumptions and nothing more and taking a line from Under Seige 2 “Assumption is the mother of all F××× Ups”. You tickle the key board with all kinds of BS. Your links most of the time disprove your thinking. When you have concrete evidence of your way of thinking let us know, til then what you have is assumptions.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at March 13, 2018 11:41 AM
Comment #425349

So another round of “well so are you” and projecting again with just the right amount of denial. The only cabinet member that could walk and talk at the same time was just fired by tweet. Way to show us how much Trump has grown into the office this past year…right? You must be proud that the tough guy Trump couldn’t even talk to Tillerson on the phone, at the very least, to tell him he was fired. Yeah what confidence that inspires when he goes up against another whacko as bad as he is in N.Korea.

Weary are you basing all of this nonsense you are spouting on the repubs house intelligence committee calling it quits! Do you actually think that this corruption at the highest levels is some real vindication of Trump and his campaign? And you think the dems should apologize for some assumptions you claim they made!

My suggestion is you guys need to get the kool aid you are drinking into the water supply around the country. The level of projecting, even for you guys, is astounding.

Anyways guys it is obvious you can’t get a decent thought together to give anyone a warm and fuzzy feeling that Trump could actually do something good with N. Korea. So move along children recess is over. Go back to class and answer the questions in #425323 instead of cluttering your minds with denial, projection and name calling. Create that warm and fuzzy feeling for us since you believe “the American people finally have a leader in Trump they can trust”.

On the side subject Weary, the one thing history has taught us is when conservatives push through foolish legislation to stimulate the economy it is only short term and then the chickens come home to roost.So when you tell me “j2t2 is jealous that his party isn’t getting the accolades for a rebounding economy” please remember what you said … it is, without a doubt, the Trump economy now. We have at least 4 years to see where it goes.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 13, 2018 12:28 PM
Comment #425375

They’re big boys, j2t2. I’ll bet Tillerson appreciated the brevity. Perhaps he already knew and had already planned the whole thing with Trump. Perhaps he knew a media feeding frenzy would ensue to occupy the minds of the masses. Perhaps it’s a feint to keep the media busy while they get down to more good work making America Great Again.

You guys so underestimate this guy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 13, 2018 10:33 PM
Comment #425418
Rich KAPitan wrote: Seems to me j2 you left wingers can’t make up your minds what you want. One time you want dialogue next time you say he’s negotiating with a terrorist. You praised Obama for giving Iran a whole bunch of cash secretly but you condemn Trump for accepting N. K. invitation to talk. I don’t think you left wingers know what you want.
No kidding. Blind partisan loyalties can twist people into pretzels.

Continued sanctions is the best approach.
And perhaps some sanctions against the sanction cheaters.
Talks with N.Korea is OK, but will not likely accomplish much, except to buy more time for N.Korea to build ICBMs.
It would be great if the people of N.Korea would take care of the problem themselves, but that doesn’t seem likely either, despite rampant poverty and a per-capita GDP of only about $800-to-$900. N.Korea is a seriously poor country, and you would think the pain of that much poverty would motivate the people of N.Korea to do something about it.

Yes, Obama’s and Kerry’s deal that sent $34 Billion to Iran was far worse.
Especially since Iran has violated and is violating the deal.
And it won’t stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
The deal is not stabilizing the Middle East.

It is interesting how partisan loyalties is revealed by such hypocritical cherry-picking and judgement of such decisions.

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