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Group Claims Voter Fraud In Many States

http://wkok.com/some-immigration-voter-fraud-news-isfake-news-ap-pa-headlines-features-scores-skeds-march-1/

A ‘Conservative Group’ is bringing a lawsuit against the state of Pa for having around 100k illegal persons registered to vote. The group says that the state has more registered voters on the rolls than there are 18 year old and above people in the state. PA state officials have done everything possible to prevent an inspection of voter rolls.
The group claims that illegal voters are on the rolls in Virginia, Maryland, Texas and other states.

Calif. is issuing drivers license to illegals which, some say, can be used as a document to register to vote.

It seems the dims will resort to any tactic, break any law, no matter how sacred or serious, to enable them to acquire/hold political power.

Voter registration law and FISA law are both critical to the well being of the Constitution . Seems everything the dims touch has to be investigated for criminal activity and cleaned up. What a way to run a railroad.

Posted by Roy Ellis at March 3, 2018 12:25 AM
Comments
Comment #424967

Rich

The AR15 is not a powerful weapon. The 5.56 is a mid-range cartridge. It’s just scary looking. It is no more effective than many other gas operated semiauto rifles that don’t share it’s appearance


The standing army is a different debate, and would be an interesting one, but it does not change the original justification for the second amendment.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 9:19 AM
Comment #424969

Sorry Roy that post ended up on the wrong post

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 9:45 AM
Comment #424974

Project much Roy? Your teams voter suppression star, Kobach,has already failed to prove that millions of illegals voted in the last election. With the full force of the Trump administration behind him the only thing he has proven is these claims by conservatives are false.

Yet conservatives continue to use this ruse as reasoning to suppress the vote. This diversion of yours is sad Roy you should be ashamed that you repeat this nonsense as if it were anything but fake news. You do your country a disservice when you repeat these lies as if they had merit.

What are you guys afraid of?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 10:29 AM
Comment #424977

j2

“What are you guys afraid of?”

I could ask you the same thing.


“Yet conservatives continue to use this ruse as reasoning to suppress the vote.”


Requiring proof of citizenship to vote, isn’t voter suppression . It’s common sense.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 10:44 AM
Comment #424978

Why isn’t the HOR membership growing to keep pace with the growing population?

Representatives are elected based on population. The population grows each and every year. The HOR remains at 435 seats regardless of population. The Representative’s constituency grows, not the number of representatives.

Why is that?

Since enactment of the Reapportionment Act of 1929, a constant 435 House seats have been apportioned among the states according to each census, and determining the size of the House is not presently part of the apportionment process. With one exception, the apportionment of 1842, the House of Representatives had been enlarged by various degrees from sixty-five members in 1788 to 435 members by 1913. The determination of size was made based on the aggregate national population, so long as the size of the House did not exceed 1 member for every 30,000 of the country’s total population[29] nor the size of any state’s delegation exceed 1 for every 30,000 of that state’s population.[30] With the size of the House still fixed at 435, the current ratio, as of the 2010 Census, is around 1 Representative: 700,000 Citizens.[31]

Had the Reapportionment Act of 1929 not been enacted the current size of the HOR would be 10150 Representatives.

The concept of the American Experience was born out of the slogan “No Taxation Without Representation!”. We cannot say we are not represented in the Legislature because we are all a part of some voting district. However, our representation has been, and is being, reduced and watered down with every new citizen. What started at thirty-thousand citizens has become over seven-hundred-thousand citizens per representative because of the Reapportionment Act of 1929.

What is the logic and reasoning behind the original figure of 1 Rep per 30,000 citizens, and could this 180 degree reversal be responsible for our dysfunctional federal government? Can 1 Representative adequately represent 700,000 citizens? Are we being short changed in the voting booth because of the Reapportionment Act of 1929?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2018 12:49 PM
Comment #424979
I could ask you the same thing.

dbs, when a group of conservative extremist tries to thwart the will of the people in such a blatantly dishonest fashion we all lose. Claiming millions of illegals are voting without the proof to back it up is bad enough but to continue to do so after the Trump Voter Fraud commission failed to prove it is another. It is a form of voter suppression from the same group of people that have been working at suppressing the vote overtly for a decade and covertly for decades.

This multi prong attack on our system of government is scary,IMHO. You guys have been putting ALEC laws into place in many states with the same goal, oppressing the vote. Everything from long lines at polling stations to purging voter rolls to receiving help from the Oligarch Putin in disseminating myths misinformation half truths and outright lies conservatives have attacked the voters with a fury. Control of the 3 branches of the federal government by one party who have a lot of ideological activist judges in the SCOTUS is scary don’t you think. Especially since the Senate with held the former administrations rightful pick for the SCOTUS for almost a year to put the nation under the control of a few rich guys and their paid representatives in Congress.

Requiring proof of citizenship to vote, isn’t voter suppression . It’s common sense.

Using the ruse of massive voter fraud without any proof in order to put voter suppression laws in place is voter suppression dbs. That is where you guys are at right now. It isn’t commonsense it is voter suppression.

Unsecured voting machine systems and Russian state hackers gaining entry into the different states systems doesn’t seem to bother you guys into securing the voting machines. I would suggest it is because you guys want the vote suppressed or outright tilted to favor the conservative oligarchy.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 3:11 PM
Comment #424980

Let’s pick through the vomit and see if we can find some proof.

Nope, no proof. Just bile.

j2t2, you’ve been saying the same thing for over a year. Take another tact, you’re getting boring.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2018 4:01 PM
Comment #424981

Requiring proof of citizenship to vote, isn’t voter suppression . It’s common sense.
Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 10:44 AM

I wonder how many on WB are willing to simply agree or disagree with this simple proposition? j2t2 attempts to get around answering. We view such an attempt as a vote of disagreement allowing non-citizens to vote.

My vote: AGREE

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 3, 2018 4:13 PM
Comment #424982

Prove millions of illegals didn’t vote, j2t2. Prove one illegal didn’t vote. You can’t. You can’t even prove who they are!

Some of these state’s laws would let a dog vote if it had a registered name on his collar.

I heard Mickey Mouse was registered to vote in Colorado.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2018 4:14 PM
Comment #424983
What are you guys afraid of? Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 10:29 AM

sobriety, women, their own shadows. KKobach has cost states a lot of money with the con that he was pulling. He was also one of Joe Arpaio’s little helpers, IOW, a piece of sh!t.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

Posted by: ohrealy at March 3, 2018 5:30 PM
Comment #424984

RF

“j2t2 attempts to get around answering.”

He does this with everything. You never get a straight answer.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 5:34 PM
Comment #424985

j2

Here’s an idea, try backing up your hyperbole with facts. Again, personal attacks, and generalizations don’t help.

Try just addressing the point of contention with a cohesive argument, and abandon the childish name calling. You’d be amazed at how much better it works.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 5:43 PM
Comment #424986

j2

“Claiming millions of illegals are voting without the proof to back it up is bad enough but to continue to do so after the Trump Voter Fraud commission failed to prove it is another.”


All one needs to do is look at the demographic shift in places like california. The shift started to take place after the amnesty in 1986. I lived there, I know what happened. The influx of millions of illegal aliens changed the balance in the voter base. They make up a majority in many places like santa ana, orange, huntington park, etc. They are the majority in those places. No one checks ID for anything other than address verification. Here’s an idea, let’s put ICE agents outside these polling places. Bet that’s keeps the illegals away.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 5:53 PM
Comment #424987

Here’s an idea, let’s put ICE agents outside these polling places. Bet that’s keeps the illegals away.
Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 5:53 PM

Brilliant idea dbs. California is now a sanctuary state and my guess is that illegals will have no impediment to voting.

The Dems have found a way to overcome our constitutional protections and our individual rights. When a non-citizen can vote, my citizenship becomes worthless. And, when non-citizens can vote, it is a short march to insolvency and anarchy.

Non-citizens have no stake in good government, good citizenship, or financial responsibility.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 3, 2018 6:16 PM
Comment #424988

Let me get this straight, you guys are actually asking me to prove millions of illegals didn’t vote! Why not use your head and ask those that claim that millions of illegals voted for proof? They had the time the opportunity and the motivation to do so yet nothing. The Chump voter fraud commission despite it’s underhanded dealings with dem members came away with their tail between their legs. All these accusations but no proof, when do you guys wise up?

I heard Mickey Mouse was registered to vote in Colorado.

So what Weary? You heard that but have no idea if it is or was true! Have you checked out this name to see if there is someone with that name and has every right to register to vote? Or pray tell Weary did this person actually vote in Colorado?

The sad thing Weary is you are not alone with this type”>http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/apr/26/eric-eisnaugle/mickey-mouse-was-registered-vote-florida-republica/”>type of foolishness. This is the ruse repubs/conservatives have used around the country to rile up their weak minded followers and allow them to pass voter suppression laws.

Do you guys realize how foolish you sound with your weaka** rebuttals to my comment? You didn’t respond with one factual bit of information to counter any of the points I made.


Royal you accused me of attempting to get around answering by voting, do you see the irony here! The problem of course is I did answer that red herring.
“Using the ruse of massive voter fraud without any proof in order to put voter suppression laws in place is voter suppression dbs. That is where you guys are at right now. It isn’t commonsense it is voter suppression.” was what I said. You see dbs tried to tell us requiring proof of citizenship wasn’t voter suppression but it is when there is no proof of millions of illegals voting. It is a ruse on the part of the Kobach and conservatives that they use to make it harder to vote.

So since you can’t back anything up or disprove anything I said and have to resort to name calling and such do you guys think it is time to recognize that what conservative legislatures are doing around the country is voter suppression?

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 6:27 PM
Comment #424989

We knew you would not give a simple answer j2t2. Should illegals be allowed to vote? NOOOOO

Should we do all we legally can to deter illegals from voting? YESSSSS

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 3, 2018 6:47 PM
Comment #424990

Our Liberal Pals don’t believe any illegals vote in our elections. They claim it is a right wing plot to suppress voting to favor Republicans.

When the mayor of a major city helps illegals evade lawful detention and deportation, is it a stretch to believe voter fraud?

“More than 850 illegal immigrants managed to elude deportation officers conducting operations in Northern California this week, and the head of the deportation force on Tuesday blamed Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf for helping some of them escape.

More than 150 migrants were nabbed in the operations, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Half of them had criminal convictions, ICE said.

One of the men arrested was a 38-year-old Mexican who belongs to the Sureno gang, and who had been deported four times before, authorities said. Others had weapons, domestic violence and drunken driving convictions.

But some 864 criminals ICE was seeking remain at large in the Oakland and San Francisco region, ICE said.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/27/libby-schaaf-oakland-mayor-helped-criminal-illegal/

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 3, 2018 7:18 PM
Comment #424991

If you live in a state that has anything other than a paper ballot you should move, IMO. A paper ballot can’t be ‘hacked’, is forever available for recount and verification.

I think you would find digital systems only the dim controlled cities.

And why do these dim controlled places refuse to hand over the voters registration information for verification? Penn. is under court order to hand them over in March. These records are supposed to be available for verification on request.

And, why is some Obaminite holdover complaining about how much HUD spent for dining room furnishings?

And why?

And why?

And, so on …

Sorry assed dims. Sorry assed Communist News Network, and so on …

Used to be funny. Now, its still funni but sad too…

Voter and FISA fraud are biggly serious…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 3, 2018 8:18 PM
Comment #424992

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/20009-after-crying-conspiracy-theory-cnn-touts-north-american-union

Here you can read about G. Bush and the Communist News Network teaming up to give us the Amero, and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 3, 2018 8:33 PM
Comment #424993


Huckabee tonight explained Godwins law (1990’s) to us. Like, when a person has nothing to bring to a conversation of any truth or intellect they revert to spewing ‘nazi’ and ‘Stalinist’ slams. Reminds me of j2 when debating on most any issue.

The ‘Group’ leader was on Judge Jeannne tonight and related that a big problem with voter fraud is Bill Clinton’s motor voter laws.

“”Illegal immigrants in California could soon be voting thanks to a new policy that will start automatically registering adults who get or renew a driver’s license to vote.”“

The dims will do whatever it takes to get control of some or all of gov’t. There shouldn’t be another election held, IMO, until the voter rolls are scrutnized and cleaned up.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 3, 2018 10:15 PM
Comment #424998

How do you propose to do that when some people don’t need ID. We also have 20 states that refuse to have their voter registration verified. What do we do about them?

I say we repeal the 17th amendment and get back to local voting for local candidates. We then scrutinize our local elected officials when they elect senators and the electoral college.

Progressive policies and the changes they’ve made are causing the turmoil and malfunction we’re suffering now. Our first step would be to recognize this. This country has become too big to be managed by 600 people on the least coast. Something drastic has to change. I’d prefer trimming the vines choking the tree of liberty instead of watering it with blood, because if you don’t get rid of the vines the blood of patriots will nurture the vines as well as the tree.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 4, 2018 11:09 AM
Comment #424999
it is time to recognize that what conservative legislatures are doing around the country is voter suppression? Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 6:27 PM

That’s just one small part of the right wing effort. Another are Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation (SLAPP). Laws against this practice have been promulgated in many states, which are being used in some cases to harrass individuals and preserve the free speech “right to lie”. Warren Porter would be familiar with this one:

https://dcslapplaw.com/files/2016/12/Mann-DC-Ct-App-decision.pdf

This is about the stink tank called “The Goldwater Institute” using those laws in its attempt control school voucher programs in AZ:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona-education/2017/12/07/goldwater-institutes-behind-scenes-campaign-remake-education-arizona/864737001/

Posted by: ohrealy at March 4, 2018 4:00 PM
Comment #425071

What do you have against allowing special needs kids to attend a private school?

I had to read a while to find what concerns you in this article. After a few paragraphs it says De Vos ran the original program. I came across a few more buzz words that could have set you off.

The thing that seemed off the wall was allowing this “voucher” to be converted to cash. That is dumb.

Overall, I have no problem with private groups administrating these types of programs as long as they don’t have the ability to levy taxes.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 4, 2018 7:25 PM
Comment #425072

I forgot to include this little tidbit, ohrealy.

The article states that this program started in 2011. It’s been running successfully for 6 years. It’s been expanded to include all students this year. Are you against that fact, or are you willing to give this 6 year program a chance to prove itself for all students?

There’s been no problem with this program (except for converting it to cash). Why not give it a chance to see if it will work for all students, not just special needs, under achieving students, and those from poorly run schools?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 4, 2018 7:30 PM
Comment #425074
Should we do all we legally can to deter illegals from voting? YESSSSS

So the weaka** reasoning we get from conservatives is “we lie about it because we should do all we can to deter illegals from voting” LoL! Yet you have no proof that millions of illegals are voting. So when you say all we can to deter illegals from voting that includes spreading lies to deter them? If so where do conservatives draw the line on what is going to far to deter illegals from voting? Is shooting them on site, or beheading their kids or stealing their belongings count as doing ohhh….wait….. lying is ok because it isn’t illegal to spread lies. Seriously you guys?

Why is it so hard for you guys to understand that your fear is causing you to accept lies as the basis for voter suppression laws?

And, why is some Obaminite holdover complaining about how much HUD spent for dining room furnishings?

SO much for draining the swamp huh Roy! the budget for the office refurbishing is $5K without congressional approval.

So Roy, For Facts Sake (FFS) on the bogus issue of millions of illegals voting what fact have you brought to the table? Or Weary, Or dbs, Or Royal? No facts just the projection and diversion of conservative propaganda. You blame “dims and Communist News Network” yet get upset over fascist/nazi! Project much Roy or should I say Goodwin jr.?

Royal FFS man what does the mayor of a city helping illegals to escape the clutches of the ICE have to do with illegals voting? Strop with the BS and insist your man Kobach provide real facts that back up the claim millions of illegals voted in the last election. Oh BTW he will be forced to do just that real soon, back home in Kansas as he must defend his voter suppression regime in court. Should be interesting.

Look one more thing Roy, you like to use the nickname “dims” to describe dems but it seems when you point that finger you have 3 fingers pointing back at conservatives. I mean when it comes to providing actual facts you guys fall on your face, there are no light bulbs going in your heads as you blindly accept the propaganda from your leaders.

Speaking of “dim” you guys attack the messenger for not answering a question like “should illegals be allowed to vote” when the discussion is centered on the question are millions of illegals voting as is claimed. Offer proof that millions of illegals are voting, lord knows you guys have been saying it for years without any proof.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 4, 2018 9:01 PM
Comment #425075

You can’t prove one million illegals didn’t vote, j2t2! You can’t! Therefore you can’t accuse us of lying.

20 states are also hiding their voting records from the federal government. How many Confederate states must comply with federal voting laws? Your side is in favor of expanding the federal government’s oversight into the voting booth where Voter ID is concerned. Should we ask the 20 states, who have denied access to their voting registration records, to comply with the same laws the Confederate states adhere to?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 4, 2018 9:24 PM
Comment #425076

If accurate voting records were an issue anywhere, it would be an issue at the federal level.

When we have the top officials in the most powerful government in the world elected by the individual’s vote, we have a monumental challenge ahead of us to make that vote accurate. It’s not an effort we need to take on.

We must repeal the 17th amendment. We must not allow a pure democracy to infect the American Dream. Repeal the 17th amendment and make the states reign in the federal government.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 4, 2018 9:32 PM
Comment #425078

So once again the logic” I’m confronted with is “You can’t prove one million illegals didn’t vote so you can’t say we are lying! Weary please pull you head out of your a** and use it. Chump and Korbach have made the claim that millions of illegals voted, time and again this has been repeated with out any factual information to back it up. What would you call that Weary? Conservatives are doing the very defintion of lying-“to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive”. Should we use conservative logic and call it..well…what..exactly. Tell me what it should be called Weary and I will either laugh at you or start using the correct verbiage.

Remember this lie is the basis for conservatives to convince their followers to promote voter suppression laws in the different states. Why do you defend these guys Weary? Why are you not outraged that people on your side of the aisle would stoop to such lies as they try to prevent American people from voting? What is the matter with you? Have you not one iota of integrity?

Should we ask the 20 states, who have denied access to their voting registration records, to comply with the same laws the Confederate states adhere to?

Nope we should require Chump and his “voter fraud commission” to produce some factual information before any state is asked to produce anything more that an extended middle finger to this criminal enterprise. The extra expense, the potential of Russian state hackers gaining access to confidential voter information and personal information of voters out weighs any witch hunt by voter suppression extremist. We should applaud those 20 states that extended their collective middle fingers to Chump and his fraudsters.

I say we repeal the 17th amendment and get back to local voting for local candidates. We then scrutinize our local elected officials when they elect senators and the electoral college.

What have you got against the American people Weary? This oligarchist thinking is asking for even more corruption. That was the reason the 17th amendment was added after all.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 4, 2018 11:14 PM
Comment #425079

j2t2, the right wingers are either ignorant of history, or just think that jim crow was a really good idea back in the day, and want to get back to it. KKobach has caused legal problems all over the country, besides Kansas, home of the Kochs.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 4, 2018 11:20 PM
Comment #425090

Ohrealy, starting this week Kobach will have center stage in Kansas to prove his claims while under oath. So either he can prove it or he can’t.

Which is the way it should be. Here on WB it’s conservatives make these claims and then expect others to prove them untrue. No expectation that their leaders be held accountable.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2018 9:47 AM
Comment #425092

The onus is on you to prove no illegals voted because 20 states, which include the 2 most populous states refuse to allow their voting rolls to be examined. Therefore it is those states who must prove they do not have illegals voting.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 5, 2018 11:44 AM
Comment #425093

It’s exhausting just to follow all the nonsense that’s going on with the right wingers. The wingnuts writing here seem to be the most uninformed, misinformed, deluded, gullible, deplorable leftovers anyone could find anywhere

Posted by: ohrealy at March 5, 2018 11:49 AM
Comment #425094

At least they read the links they post, ohrealy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 5, 2018 11:55 AM
Comment #425095

Weary those 20 states you mentioned have their own people who are responsible for ensuring the integrity of the vote in their state. Had they discovered millions of illegals voting they would have done something about it. But ok use them as your excuse. Or better yet why not hold those that have told you that millions of illegals voted accountable for what they say. Demand proof from them. With 30 states giving in to the witch hunt they should have found over half of the millions of illegal voters. What proof have they showed of this injustice?

Kobach has tried in Kansas to prove all sorts of stuff making Kansas one of the top voter suppression states in the country.So far he has found a few ranchers voting in two states. After years of accusations. He has no integrity, if he is talking he is lying Weary.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2018 2:27 PM
Comment #425096

“… what does the mayor of a city helping illegals to escape the clutches of the ICE have to do with illegals voting?”

No one doubts j2t2 when he writes he can’t find any connection between a mayor protecting illegals and that same mayor allowing them to vote.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2018 3:51 PM
Comment #425097

We wonder if j2t2 can explain his “voter suppression” comment which he regularly uses. It is true we try to suppress illegal voting with laws enacted by our individual states.

If any state laws are found to suppress eligible voters, then those laws should be challenged in court. j2t2’s challenges are pitiful in comparison.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2018 4:08 PM
Comment #425100

Oh Brother Royal you can’t respond with anything but this tripe! Do you actually believe the mayor is “allowing them to vote”! Is this mayor hiding these people because they can spill the beans on her Royal? You far right guys and your silly conspiracies, take off the tin foil hat and stop swilling the kool aid Royal. Because we all know you don’t have a shred of proof, nothing but unfounded prattle.

If any state laws are found to suppress eligible voters, then those laws should be challenged in court. j2t2’s challenges are pitiful in comparison.

Ya think Royal! Do you think I made this stuff…oh..of course…you do.. thats how you guys operate.

Dig deep Royal ….
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voting-rights-elections

Posted by: j2t2 at March 5, 2018 7:25 PM
Comment #425101

j2t2, please state and link to specific instances of voter suppression you speak of. How many votes were suppressed and where and when did this take place?


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 5, 2018 7:37 PM
Comment #425102

I don’t know how much more plainly I can write it j2t2. Does my comment agree with the brennan center? I think so.

I wrote; “If any state laws are found to suppress eligible voters, then those laws should be challenged in court.”

Agree? Disagree? Why?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2018 7:41 PM
Comment #425103

One more time j2t2. Open your eyes, wash your brain, loosen your political libido and tell us why you believe a mayor who protects illegal non-citizens would not allow them to vote.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 5, 2018 7:47 PM
Comment #425110
please state and link to specific instances of voter suppression you speak of…..

I did Royal the link to the Brennan Center. Now it’s up to you to read it.

One more time j2t2. Open your eyes, wash your brain, loosen your political libido and tell us why you believe a mayor who protects illegal non-citizens would not allow them to vote.

Tell you what Royal you were the one that told us “Our Liberal Pals don’t believe any illegals vote in our elections. They claim it is a right wing plot to suppress voting to favor Republicans. When the mayor of a major city helps illegals evade lawful detention and deportation, is it a stretch to believe voter fraud?”. Defend your non-sequitur logic Royal. You tell us it is happening yet you offer nothing but a rather tenuous connection to some mayor refusing to offer help to ICE and illegals voting. Explain how the only connection here is illegals. Nothing about voting because the mayors of cities and towns don’t really deal with the election process nor for that matter does ICE. Tell us how a mayor can insist to state election officials that illegals be allowed to vote in her city. Explain that, or do you think she snuck millions of illegals into the voting booths in her city and none of the election officials at the local polling places noticed. After,of course, she falsely registered them to vote. That should be relatively easy to prove.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2018 10:05 AM
Comment #425113

j2t2, I didn’t see in any of the articles in your link where a total of voters were not allowed to vote? I see out dated voting machines, ballot issues that expanded the voter rolls, ect. but none where voters were not allowed to vote!

The way you go on and on about it, I think it would be easy for you to get a total, or at least an example, of voters being suppressed.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2018 10:31 AM
Comment #425115

Of course you didn’t Weary, so what? This red herring isn’t even worth the time to discuss, you know. It doesn’t solve the problem nor does it make it any less legitimate.

What you may have not realized is I have never made the outrageous claim that millions of people were not allowed to vote like Kobach and Chump have done when they talk about illegals voting.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2018 11:45 AM
Comment #425117

That should be relatively easy to prove. Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2018 10:05 AM the outrageous claim that millions of people were not allowed to vote like Kobach and Chump have done when they talk about illegals voting.
Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2018 11:45 AM

This is more of the shake and bake nonsense that these right wingers do, based on the scripts being written by their fictional “news” sources. The sources add some new ingredient, and then repeats an old debunked story with the new ingredient like its a different story instead of the SOS. The wingnuts here have been doing this for so long that I stopped reading their comments a long time ago. I can tell by who the comments are from that it’s just another lie, and it makes the commenter look really gullible. Don’t they see that they’re endlessly stuck in a rut, stuck in a rut, stuck in a rut.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 6, 2018 1:02 PM
Comment #425119

You don’t know if illegals are voting, j2t2. There’s no way you can determine if they voted or not. They’re in the country with fake documents to begin with. How do you know they didn’t vote?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 6, 2018 3:31 PM
Comment #425122

Exactly right Weary. No one has proven, or dis-proven, significant illegal voting. However, logic indicates that states that issue documents that will meet voting registration requirements are not concerned about illegals using those documents to register to vote.

j2t2 can not, or will not, recognize that a mayor who shields illegals from deportation is also fully capable of allowing illegals to vote in local elections. Obviously, this mayor does not respect the rule of law as she publicly protects law-breakers.

No one wonders why j2t2 can not explain what he means by “voter suppression”.

We know that it means having bullies and thugs at the voting place to threaten Republicans and Conservatives as happened when Obama was president and his AG (Eric Holder) did noting about it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 6, 2018 4:03 PM
Comment #425136

Prove they didn’t vote, prove they didn’t vote, prove they didn’t vote the battle cry of the voter suppressionist! Yet they offer no proof of these millions of illegal voters. They make allegations but they offer no proof. But they did after all this time acknowledge voter suppression exists. The blame Obama of course!

Here is what we know,conservatives, about your claims.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 6, 2018 8:51 PM
Comment #425169
This excludes examples of voter registration fraud — the filing of fraudulent information. Those aren’t votes cast — and given that organizations often provide incentives for employees to register as many people as possible, registration fraud cases (while still rare) are more common.

Another quote said that in the rare cases found to be voter fraud, they were all perpetrated by Republicans. How convenient. They couldn’t find any Democratic fraudulent votes, but they could find Republican fraudulent votes. Yep, very convenient.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 3:50 PM
Comment #425170

Here is just one example of voter fraud in just one county in the state of Mississippi. Simple extrapolation could reveal millions more names across the United States who are ineligible to vote.

“In Mississippi last Wednesday, the American Civil Rights Union won a significant victory for election integrity when a federal judge approved a consent decree in which Walthall County agreed to finally clean up its bloated voter-registration list. The county has more registered voters than the Census says it has eligible voters.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/corner/latest-evidence-voter-fraud-and-discrimination-hans-von-spakovsky-john-fund/

Many have expressed concern that illegals will be allowed to vote in California because of the ease of registering to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver’s license.

Here are the requirements to establish citizenship and register to vote in California.

“How do I register to vote?

To register to vote you must complete a voter registration application on paper or online at RegisterToVote.ca.gov. When you register online, the system will search the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) database for your California driver license or identification card number, date of birth, and last four digits of your social security number. If your information is found and you authorize elections officials’ use of your DMV signature, an electronic image of your DMV signature will be added to your voter registration application after you click “submit” at the end of the online application. If there is no signature on file with DMV, all of your information will be transmitted to your county elections office; you will just need to click “print,” sign the paper application, and mail it. Your county elections official will contact you when your voter registration application is approved or if more information is needed to confirm your eligibility.”

There is no safeguard in California preventing an illegal from registering to vote.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 3:53 PM
Comment #425171

..and if you’re eligible to vote you’re assumed to be a citizen, because only citizens can vote.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 4:01 PM
Comment #425172

Maybe that’s how they are convincing themselves that illegals don’t vote.
They’re telling themselves
1) They have a driver’s license
2) They are registered to vote.
3) Only citizens can vote.
Therefore,
4) Anyone registered to vote is a citizen and not illegal.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 4:07 PM
Comment #425173

Sometimes people in another state think different than the rest of us.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 4:10 PM
Comment #425175

Weary, it is clear to me, and others, that the politicians in power in California are beholden to advocates of illegal persons in that state. Whether it is for cheap labor, money, or support at the polls, these politicians have made it clear that they do not value our Democratic Republic and citizenship.

It pleases me that AG Sessions has finally filed suit against the state of California over their legislative actions to protect illegals in their state. Can you imagine a law that punishes individual businesses who cooperate with ICE? That law has shown that these politicians value illegals over Constitutional Rights. I shame these people and their anti-American values. They should be shunned and spit upon for their dereliction of duty.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 4:22 PM
Comment #425176

We’ve been all too lax in enforcing laws that are violated by politicians. Just like the lying politician. We expect it from them so they keep lying. We need to put a few high profile politicians on trial for anything factual, just to show we’re willing and able to do it.

Remember on day one of his administration people were saying Trump hasn’t accomplished anything? I don’t hear them saying that any longer.


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 5:24 PM
Comment #425177

Weary, the defective Liberal radar can not detect all the accomplishment of President Trump and the Republican controlled congress.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 5:56 PM
Comment #425178

Do you live in Indiana? I can’t remember if it was you who lived here.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 6:10 PM
Comment #425179

Nope! Texas has been my home since 1983. I have lived in Wisconsin (born and raised there), Virginia and South Carolina also.

Around 1.5 million Republicans, and about 1 million Democrats voted yesterday in our primaries.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 6:20 PM
Comment #425183

What do you think of this?

One of the school districts in my county put an initiative on the ballot for a property tax increase. The ballot they put it on was for the primary, when only D or R can vote.

Do you think people not affiliated with a party and can’t vote in a primary, are disenfranchised concerning this tax increase?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 7:07 PM
Comment #425184

Good question Weary. It may be that for a political party to be on the ballot in your state a certain number of registered voters must declare for that party.

Frankly Weary, I do not understand why anyone would not register with a party that was on the ballot. It makes sense that the board controlling elections has an obligation to produce a ballot that is within certain boundaries of length. I can not imagine a ballot with ten or twenty parties being represented; each with a selection of candidates.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 7:14 PM
Comment #425185

So the conservative logic is more people registered to vote than the eight year old census say there are voters it has to be fraud …right Royal. Automatically it is voter fraud. The only fraud is in telling us this is voter fraud. That and the ACRU.

This is a type of voter suppression, purging the voter rolls, not voter fraud as Royal would have us believe. Royal did the number of people who voted in the last election exceed the number the census said are voters? Despite the tone of this article the real issue here is who gets purged from the rolls.
With voter suppression groups like the ACRU the intent to get rid of minorities.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 7, 2018 7:16 PM
Comment #425186

If j2t2 had bothered to read the link to my source, he would have found that the Mississippi case referred to took place in 2003. As for the determination j2t2, please query the Federal Judge on the case.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 7:20 PM
Comment #425187
There is no safeguard in California preventing an illegal from registering to vote.

Nor is there evidence of voter fraud. But there are safeguards in place to prevent illegals from voting. There are also some ways, some would have us believe, to get around them.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/01/26/how-voter-fraud-could-have-happened-in-california-but-probably-didnt/

Posted by: j2t2 at March 7, 2018 7:29 PM
Comment #425188

Thank you for proving our point j2t2. For “evidence of voter fraud” in California j2t2, someone would have to care enough to cause an investigation. That’s not going to happen…we all know that. Too many big business interests and politicians rely upon the illegal workers, financial support and vote to ever allow it to change.

It is sad that such an intelligent person as j2t2 is blinded by his politics.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 7, 2018 7:42 PM
Comment #425190

Purging voter rolls isn’t voter suppression. In my state it’s a routine maintenance procedure done every 2 years. If a person has not voted in 4 years he’s out.

Calling this routine maintenance voter suppression is just seeing ghosts.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 7, 2018 8:56 PM
Comment #425194

Royal If you would have read it you would have found out you don’t know what you are saying. The ACRU wasn’t doing these types of cases in 2003. Regardless Royal your red herring doesn’t change anything I said in the comment.

Thank you for proving our point j2t2. For “evidence of voter fraud” in California j2t2, someone would have to care enough to cause an investigation.

You haven’t proved anything Royal. The voter fraud you hope to find is essentially nonexistent. The concerted efforts of conservative groups to suppress the vote is more prevalent than actual voter fraud.

That’s not going to happen…we all know that. Too many big business interests and politicians rely upon the illegal workers, financial support and vote to ever allow it to change.

Yet study after study doesn’t find the millions of voter fruiad cases Chump speaks of.


It is sad that such an intelligent person as j2t2 is blinded by his politics.

Prove it Royal it is that simple prove all these cases of voter fraud exists.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 8, 2018 1:23 AM
Comment #425195
Purging voter rolls isn’t voter suppression. In my state it’s a routine maintenance procedure done every 2 years. If a person has not voted in 4 years he’s out.

Weary, it is just another attempt to suppress the vote. Conservatives intentionally use this rather routine procedure to keep minorities from voting.

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/purge-ten-years-later

Posted by: j2t2 at March 8, 2018 1:31 AM
Comment #425203

The Brennan Center article’s assertions are all hypothetical. They use words like
could be the first step
could open up a new front
tried to pressure
could be a precursor

It’s all speculative. I wonder if it was actually written by the racist and bigoted group, the SPLC?

It could be.., right j2t2?


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 8, 2018 10:20 AM
Comment #425207

You want speculative Weary! How about the whole millions of illegals voted in the last election falsehood. This pot calling the kettle black nonsense Weary tells us you have once again fallen for the lies of those that seek to divide us.

The SPLC is racist and bigoted for fighting racism and bigotry! Is our military anti-violence because they use violence Weary? Weary it’s the dividers man, take off the tinfoil and think.

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SPLC is an opinion based organization that chooses to persecute those they disagree with. This Brennan Center sounds like it’s doing the same thing. Speculating.

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