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Drones WILL Protect Students In The Classroom

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/2017/Also-in-2017/autonomous-military-drones-no-longer-science-fiction/EN/index.htm

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Drone-Technology-Helping-Law-Enforcement-Respond-to-Active-Shooter-Situation-451547663.html

Befuddled that there is not action on WB or elsewhere to consider drones as a viable means of protecting school students. The first url discusses some advanced capabilities of drones. The second url is a short video of actual use inside a building with a swat team. One could arm the drone and replace the swat team.

One would have to think the drone companies have been all over the administration/govt's working to sell drones. Far as I know there are no laws allowing small drones to carry much less shoot people, maybe autonomously. President Trump could take 'biggly' action and get some laws in place. I have to believe that the military has already developed small drones to carry armament.

I read that a drone that can 'see' 360 degrees , make 4k attitude changes per second, would cost around $2k. Put weapon system with software onboard and they should go for no more than $5k per drone. Now that is student protection on the cheap.

Could be the overriding issue is how to keep such a system out of the hands of a bad guy. I believe that by deleting the microcode if a unit shows any type of problem would help. Also, might require some strong passwords to get the thing to operate. On board camera would provide video of anybody who tried to pick up/take the sick drone, maybe give them a shock, and so on . . .. These things can be easily worked out.

It just doesn't make any sense to have/train teachers, retired SWAT's and the like, to wait for/go on the payroll for an event that likely won't happen for 500-1000 years. Maybe keep the drones locked up in a secure vault with the on duty drone operator. On alarm, egresses around the school would pop open to allow the drones access to any area.

WB'ers, check around, get some info re the use of drones and let's debate the issue.

A drone WILL go in . . . A drone WILL find the shooter . . . A drone WILL shoot/kill the shooter . . .A drone WILL do this fast and cheap . . .

Posted by Roy Ellis at February 27, 2018 11:43 PM
Comments
Comment #424850

Why is it in America, and other 3rd world countries where life is cheap, the best answer we can come up with is a potentially lethal answer to a problem? Why if this thing has to be developed can we not use a gas or fast acting tranquilizer instead of guns to solve the problem.

Why is it we have to use deadly force as our first and only plan? IMHO it is a hateful conservative ideology that forces us into taking the low road.
More advanced societies will solve this problem for us as we regress farther and farther backwards into a conservative utopian corporate state Roy.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 28, 2018 3:16 AM
Comment #424853

Roy, our technology is not yet to the point of having armed drones flying around in our schools. It would be cost prohibitive and very dangerous at this stage.

So J2, you are asking why is it “we have to use deadly force as our first and only plan” when dealing with a guy shooting indiscriminately at kids trapped in a building? LOL. Hard to take such an asinine statement seriously, my friend.

Gas? Hateful leftist fascism has schools mandating drinks, foods and feelings, but you want to pump the entire school full of a gas? You do realize that there are severe adverse reactions to gas for some people?

Tranqs? You want to use a less accurate ‘rifle’ with less effective ammunition with a delayed effect, to stop a shooter in the process of shooting kids?

Posted by: kctim at February 28, 2018 10:23 AM
Comment #424854

Kctim, the problem with deadly force as the first response is the collateral damage. Sure you may get it right the first time but what happens if those that came to save the innocent end up being yet another killer of the innocent. Laugh as you will but those are high stress situations and it doesn’t take much for things to go wrong. As you say “our technology is not yet to the point of having armed drones flying around in our schools. It would be cost prohibitive and very dangerous at this stage.”

Using gas or darts or even nonlethal bullets may help to solve this problem. The more lethal rounds fired the more people end up dead. Arming a drone with lethal weapons and trusting it will only take out the shooter is risky isn’t it? Arming it with non-lethal rounds is much less risky. H**l kctim maybe the answer is a net or a fishing line that wraps the shooter up like spiderman stuff.

With a non-lethal intervention we are sending a different message than we send with lethal weapons, bringing the violence down several notches. A longer term message yes but the continued arms race is only upping the violence.

Wow hateful leftist fascism is an oxymoron kctim. Your hate is showing. When it comes to mandating at schools your religious conservative “hateful rightwing communist” sure don’t mind dictating what can be worn, what can be taught so time to get off your high horse. Ffs kctim, it was you guys who told us ketchup is a vegetable, no wonder we need to fix things!

Posted by: j2t2 at February 28, 2018 11:32 AM
Comment #424856

OK Roy it seems you have at least taken some time to look at other ideas to help make schools safer. However your conservative friends, the naysayers, seem to only be able to grasp the bigger gun solution.

So let me run another idea by you. How about along with the go bags in each classroom, which most schools have today, we include a shotgun or two and bean bag type rounds. Using the protocol schools have today, the teachers and students trapped in a room can stay hid but if the shooter comes in at least they won’t be sitting ducks. If the shooter walks by that class the braver teacher/student opens the door and gets off a few rounds at the shooter.

Saves us all the problems that lethal rounds would have in securing the weapons in the classrooms.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 28, 2018 11:55 AM
Comment #424857

You never wanna go “full semi auto” Hahahahahaha !

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/27/cnn-and-the-curious-case-of-the-full-semiautomatic-rifle-n2454766

Posted by: dbs at February 28, 2018 12:13 PM
Comment #424858

j2

“How about along with the go bags in each classroom, which most schools have today, we include a shotgun or two and bean bag type rounds.”


That’s foolish. So what happens when that doesn’t work and that one chance you had to get the upper hand, and get a hit has now been wasted ? There are no guarantees in a lethal confrontation and wasting an opportunity is foolish. That is why professional training, and regular practice is a must.

You have to act, and make it count, because you’re not going to get more time. There will always be risks in armed confrontations, and that will never change.

Posted by: dbs at February 28, 2018 12:25 PM
Comment #424860

J2,
If you were talking about arming drones with darts, then I misunderstood. My bad.
On that line of thinking, I can agree that it could be another line of defense and is worth looking at. I feel it would be cost prohibitive though.

“Wow hateful leftist fascism is an oxymoron”

Hmmm? No, it’s not the least bit contradictory. The left does indeed use an all powerful centralized government for social regimentation, and their terror groups have been using tactics with the goal of forcible suppression of opposition.

If you want to equate the federal government mandating thought, behavior and diet, to local school policies forbidding little girls from dressing like sluts, have at it.

Posted by: kctim at February 28, 2018 1:54 PM
Comment #424863

WB has confiscated two post at this time. Is there a list of do’s and dont’s to prevent this?

Only thing the drone should shoot is daidly bullets. Like, several drones shooting 15 caliber bullets at a persons head properly lined up in the gun camera and viewed by the drone control person. Maybe let drone control office have responsibility for triggering the shots.

Maybe have one drone carry an injector to use in a case where the shooter has put down his weapon, is running away, gun is out of ammo and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 28, 2018 2:26 PM
Comment #424864


The best deterrent to these types of attacks is the fear of not being successfully. This guy, Cruz, shot the place up, laid his weapon down, and walked to the nearest McDonald’s to have a bite. He knew he could get away with doing this. He was so comfortable with that thought he abandoned his weapon!

Donald Trump has the right idea when he says to make sure the perpetrator knows he won’t get away with it. It may take a few dead perpetrators to make the point, but not making that point only guarantees these episodes continue.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 28, 2018 2:29 PM
Comment #424867

You are right, WW. Scratch my last para. A person needs to know that if they go into school with a gun they will forfeit their life.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 28, 2018 3:09 PM
Comment #424884
That’s foolish. So what happens when that doesn’t work and that one chance you had to get the upper hand, and get a hit has now been wasted ?

The same that happens had there been no non-lethal weapon in the classrooms to begin with dbs. The same thing that happens now. I don’t know of one single idea that will solve the problem other than a complete gun confiscation law as other countries have shown, but do we really want to go there? A ban on large capacity magazines and assault rifles may put “the fear of not being successfully” for some and should serve to cut the attempts at mass killings by half over time. But then others may still want to risk it with a few handguns or hunting rifles. For those the non-lethal weapons may be a line of defense. The second could be a drone, a third could be a few armed teachers and the fourth could be the cops.

The idea of putting an AR-15 or other weapon in all or most of the classrooms is wrought with problems and I’m sure we would all agree that isn’t the answer. The idea of a drone armed with lethal bullets and the intention to kill is wrought with problems, hard to tell what to be most afraid of the bad guy with a gun or a good guy with a drone shooting off rounds from the next building over.

Some would depend on several teachers/administrators carrying handguns to defend the entire school. They may or may not be in a location that would allow them to get at the shooter within a few seconds or minutes. In the mean time the shooter is cutting kids down.

Were there non-lethal weapons and ammo in most or all classrooms that had a reasonable means of securing them the likelihood of being able to stop the shooter in less time seems to me to be higher. The use of the weapon is optional and should it fall in the wrong hands it wouldn’t be as catastrophic. The nice thing is the response would be faster and more people would be able to respond until those teachers armed with handguns could get on scene. H*ll a slingshot and some practice may solve the problem as well.

Otherwise you have a class full of kids just sitting there waiting to get shot up by the mass killer.Waiting minutes for the armed teacher/administrator to get there. Waiting even longer for the cops to show up and get out of their defensive positions.

In Japan they have teachers using sticks on the intruders but then they don’t have the gun problem we do.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 28, 2018 5:56 PM
Comment #424885

It would seem that some of our Liberals Pals follow the (Joycelyn Elders) solution when she was Bill Clinton’s Surgeon General.

She advocated “safer bullets”. Shotguns and bean bag bullets anyone?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2018 5:57 PM
Comment #424886

Does anyone else observe the irony of the Left; promoting unarmed school personnel despite the admitted inability of police to respond quickly enough to prevent mass murder; and telling all citizens to rely upon the police, and not themselves, for a home invasion?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2018 6:06 PM
Comment #424887

Like I said before. Identify the shooter. This has to be done before he has access to the school. Dogs can detect many things and are cheap to maintain.

Next, I’m going there! Walls. Minimum access points. Strong security at those access points. Minimal, but effective, security inside the building.

Sorry folks. For both or either to work you need firepower. That means weapons. That means guns. It’s time to stop being stupid about firearms.

If you’re serious about making something like this work, homework could be banned to eliminate the need for backpacks to transport books into and out of the school.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 28, 2018 6:24 PM
Comment #424892

An armed compound for a school why didn’t we think of this earlier? So much better than bean bag bullets.

I guess we need to go to the whole Rod of Iron thing and ban video games instead. What a sad situation America finds itself in. Does anyone that thinks the answer is to arm everyone with AR-15’s like Moon now realize how extreme this thinking is? It’s kinds weird when you get a whole bunch of ammos**uals in one place isn’t it? You guys do find it weird that they wear crowns made up of bullets…right?

The weirdest is none of them brought actual ammo to the orgy. Doesn’t that make the AR-15 useless? What does it say about these extremist when they tell us to arm the teachers at our kids school but won’t let their own followers come together with live ammo. Yet they tell us it is for God’s children that we must arm the teachers.

A teacher armed in school took over a classroom today in Georgia. Let the kids go, and was eventually talked out of the classroom. But just think an armed teacher went off the reservation just a few days after the latest mass killing and while our conservative friends are salivating at the thought of upping the arms race and arming teachers at our schools. Moonies…who would have thought.

It would seem that some of our Liberals Pals follow the (Joycelyn Elders) solution when she was Bill Clinton’s Surgeon General.

Royal you make that sound like a bad thing. Wait until the teachers start gunning down students while attempting to stop a shooter.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 28, 2018 7:40 PM
Comment #424893

j2t2 writes; “Royal you make that sound like a bad thing.”

Naw…of course “safer bullets” is a good thing. Let’s provide them to our police and military and make the world safe for the children. Let’s make safer guns too. Safe guns that shoot safe bullets harm no one.

Question: When a drunk driver kills someone with his car, do we blame the car?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 28, 2018 7:49 PM
Comment #424894


Kctim, I don’t agree that drones aren’t ready for the job or that they would be ‘dangerous’ to use in that environment. Check out a url or two.

http://www.droneomega.com/gps-drone-navigation-works/

https://www.dronezon.com/drone-reviews/drone-gps-autopilot-at-very-affordable-prices/

http://www.dronesglobe.com/guide/heavy-lift-drones/

One drone leads and other drones follow the leader
Can change attitude 4k times a second (aim a gun)
Bounce off walls, things it may hit, with no damage
Learn a preprogrammed path, hover on target and return to base
Centimeters spatial accuracy with GPS
Weight lift/carry and flight distance not a problem

Could be mfctrd to:
Electronics on a multilayer board, encapsulated so that it can’t be xray’d etc re reverse engineering.
A sick drone would report, try to return to base, otherwise auto-erase all microcode.
Photo and maybe shock anyone who tries to pick it up.
Maybe develop a non-standard cal bullet, maybe an 18 caliber that no known weapon would chamber.
Use a computerized jig to cut unique striations in every barrel mfctrd.
Place a serial number in a place inaccessible to all but an FBI special forensics person
Gun locks if drone reports a problem
Gun could only be unlocked by FBI person.

And so on … All that stuff is easily done thru eng design and mfctring.

Get some drones in some schools now and go from there …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 28, 2018 9:13 PM
Comment #424899

j2

“A teacher armed in school took over a classroom today in Georgia.”

This is way to convenient.

“The same that happens had there been no non-lethal weapon in the classrooms to begin with dbs.”

Yep…..A missed opportunity. You don’t confront a mass murderer with non lethal force. End of story.


“A ban on large capacity magazines and assault rifles may put “the fear of not being successfully”


Again the second amendment was never about hunting or target shooting. So I’ll have to just say no. BTW it’s being reported that the killer was using 10 rd magazines, and his rifle jammed. Cheap rifle cheap ammunition= unreliability.


“Some would depend on several teachers/administrators carrying handguns to defend the entire school. They may or may not be in a location that would allow them to get at the shooter within a few seconds or minutes.”


These are things that can worked out. You act as if there will be no training or SOP when it comes to having a plan of action. In either case, an on site response will be there much sooner than the police. We also need to mention that just the fact that there will be an armed response is enough to dissuade most would be attackers. There’s a reason they choose gunfree zones.


“Were there non-lethal weapons and ammo in most or all classrooms that had a reasonable means of securing them the likelihood of being able to stop the shooter in less time seems to me to be higher. The use of the weapon is optional and should it fall in the wrong hands it wouldn’t be as catastrophic.”

You do understand that a shotgun can be loaded with real ammunition, right ? Again the premise of confronting a an armed attacker with non lethal weapons is completely retarded, and dangerous.


“I don’t know of one single idea that will solve the problem other than a complete gun confiscation”

The fact that you think that the govt, police, or whatever can protect you is foolish.


Let me pose a question. What will you do if the evil republicans, who think are fascists ever get enough control of gov’t to deny you your constitutional rights, and refuse to obey the constitution ? Remember, you and all your fellow citizens, no longer posses guns. After all this has happened many times throughout history.

Posted by: dbs at March 1, 2018 8:41 AM
Comment #424908
I guess we need to go to the whole Rod of Iron thing and ban video games instead. Posted by: j2t2 at February 28, 2018 7:40 PM

YT is overrun with NRA ads since Parkland. Before, the ads I was seeing were almost all for Pritzker, a gubernatorial candidate here. I don’t have an ad blocker on my tablet. YT is also showing ads for violent video games before Parkland videos.

Posted by: ohrealy at March 1, 2018 11:24 AM
Comment #424909

This is what actual training looks like. For those of you who don’t get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ZEHd95P2g

Posted by: dbs at March 1, 2018 11:34 AM
Comment #424913

https://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/article/five-fundamentals-of-home-defense/

Something everyone should consider.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2018 2:11 PM
Comment #424915

WW

I’ve taken a couple of Robs classes.

Posted by: dbs at March 1, 2018 3:04 PM
Comment #424917

What did you come away with?
I often consider what I would do if someone broke into my home when I was there. Did an of your classes address this type of situation, or was it safety and accuracy training?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2018 4:09 PM
Comment #424921

WW

Actually I took pistol courses. Combat focus shooting, and advanced pistol handling. They dealt with defensive shooting skills.

Posted by: dbs at March 1, 2018 5:56 PM
Comment #424929

There is an arena near me where people gather to use paintball guns to play Capture the Flag. Paintball guns would be a great training weapon for close quarter defensive training that’s close to real life.

We first need to re-acclimate the public away from the manufactured fear of weapons to a familiarity with them that will allow CC to be normal.


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2018 10:18 PM
Comment #424930

https://www.953mnc.com/2018/03/01/michigan-house-moves-along-5-mental-health-bills/

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 1, 2018 10:24 PM
Comment #424932

WW

Many training companies have force on force training which is scenario based training. They generally use simunitions guns. They are basically real guns altered to fire paint marking projectiles. They feel and run just like a real gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFK6E1W29x0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gITsvWtq7x4


There is a pain penalty with these rounds. They hurt, and leave welts.

Posted by: dbs at March 2, 2018 7:43 AM
Comment #424936

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0vLitHoRD4

Posted by: dbs at March 2, 2018 9:48 AM
Comment #424944
“A teacher armed in school took over a classroom today in Georgia.”

This is way to convenient.

Yet so true. I guess if we wait a day or two we might find Alex Jones or so other far right whack job claiming it was Clinton and/or Obama that hypnotized him or some such nonsense. But it has to give those that are telling us the answer is more and bigger guns something to think about. You know kinda like the lie perpetrated here on WB and elsewhere about the doctored script at CNN.

This whole 3rd world mentality of those on the far right is amazing. Do you guys realize the answers you are proposing are all after the fact responses nothing preventative at all. Do you really want the kids in this country to have to go to school with students/teachers/administrators all armed in class, or a militia patrolling each school in this country all the time? Should the people of this country not be able to expect something more than a 3rd world school for the kids. My god you guys are so extreme in this world view. Armed camps to teach the kids so they can be protected from the gun nuts and far right extremist.

Whats the difference between the conservatives in this country and the extremist Muslims in the Central Africa Republic? The kids cannot learn when they have to live in fear.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 2, 2018 11:22 AM
Comment #424945

Dbs, I agree the 2nd amendment wasn’t about hunting or target shooting., It was about the slave militias in the south and it was about well regulated militias protecting the country becaue we didn’t have a standing army to speak of at the time.

A well regulated militia would have a use for offensive weapons such as assault rifles and just like the national guard and the armed forces would have those weapons in an armory protected from those that would use them for other than their intended purposes.

These ragtag week end militias we see today aren’t well regulated and shouldn’t have access to the more offensive weapons IMHO.

Hunting and home defense weapons were a given back in the time frame the Constitution was being written. I bet no one thought of writing anything in the bill of rights that would or wouldn’t affect them. Even today we still need them because as you say the police err…umm.. government can’t be everywhere.

The thought that our founding fathers want a bunch of shays rebellions happening with so called militias is nonsense perpetrated by extremist IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 2, 2018 11:50 AM
Comment #424946

j2

“This whole 3rd world mentality of those on the far right is amazing.”

You’re right. We should immediately remove all armed security from Gov’t buildings, including the capital, congressional, and senate offices, and all gov’t officials. I say lead by example since guns aren’t the answer.

“Do you guys realize the answers you are proposing are all after the fact responses nothing preventative at all”

You’re right armed security isn’t a deterrent. It’s just a coincidence That they are attacking gun free zones, instead of police stations, and gov’t offices with armed security.

You ever actually listen to yourself ? SMFH

Posted by: dbs at March 2, 2018 11:53 AM
Comment #424947

j2

“A well regulated militia would have a use for offensive weapons such as assault rifles and just like the national guard “


You still don’t understand what “well regulated” meant in 1787, do you.

https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

Again, the second amendment is intended to protect the people against the gov’t should it become tyrannous.


“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788


“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803


“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

Posted by: dbs at March 2, 2018 12:15 PM
Comment #424948

So the right of the people to keep and bear arms really means, the ‘right’ of the people to keep their arms in a government controlled armory and to only bear them under the direction of the government?
LOL

Jesus Christ J2. Just when I think you couldn’t get any more ridiculous than your “3rd world mentality” and “Conservatives are the same as extremist muslims” BS, you go and prove me wrong.

Posted by: kctim at March 2, 2018 12:18 PM
Comment #424949

Can you two stop with the proselytizing, please?

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 2, 2018 1:05 PM
Comment #424951

You bet, Weary.
Will do.

Posted by: kctim at March 2, 2018 3:14 PM
Comment #424953

“Whats the difference between the conservatives in this country and the extremist Muslims in the Central Africa Republic?”

Wow, what a comment j2t2. We won’t ask what foreign substance you’re using to make you write such stupid crap implying law-abiding conservatives act like extremists.

Surely even j2t2 can understand how silly this statement is…”Do you guys realize the answers you are proposing are all after the fact responses nothing preventative at all.”

Armed and trained personnel in the school is not “preventative”? If true, why do we not see attacks on police stations?

It is difficult to read such nonsense from a supposedly grown man.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 2, 2018 5:56 PM
Comment #424954

Many thanks to dbs for the excellent quotes regarding gun ownership by our early national leaders.

I listened, on the radio, to a clip of Condelesa Rice on a morning TV show describe how she, as a child in Georgia, watched her father and others defend their neighborhood with weapons against the “white knights” who wanted to do them harm. The law at that time tried to disarm black folks. Good thing they kept their arms.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 2, 2018 6:04 PM
Comment #424960

When all you gun loving, 2nd Amendment purists start advocating for the disarmament of the government (military and police), I will begin believing you. How can you advocate arming the government to the teeth and at the same time advocate the right to possess powerful weapons for the purpose of resisting the government?

In my opinion, the Antifederalist argument for the 2nd Amendment and limitations on standing armies has gone with the wind.

Posted by: Rich at March 2, 2018 9:48 PM
Comment #424961

https://twitter.com/RealWayneRoot/status/965009921862488064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2018%2F2%2F19%2F17025886%2Fright-wing-gun-control-solutions-school-shootings

Read the dingbat responses in this url. If these people were large in number, running things, we would still be wiping our butts with rocks, and so on …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 2, 2018 10:51 PM
Comment #424962

The solution to protecting our children in school is the same as protecting our children in the supermarket. The solution to protecting our children in the supermarket is the same as protecting our children in the park. The solution to protecting our children in the park is the same as protecting our children in our home. The solution to protecting our children in our home is to educate yourself and your children about weapons and self defense, and make concealed carry normal.

We need to stop being stupid about firearms.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 2, 2018 11:47 PM
Comment #424963

Can’t agree, WW. It’s in the numbers. A school shooting may happen every 500-1000 years. If you allow any/all students who can get a license to carry to carry in the school then the numbers are against you. There will be more kids hurt thru such a policy than kids hurt by school shooters.

I like my suggestion better - let the 18 year old students vote, by class, to select some of the more mature/serious students to carry in the school.

I have no problem with young folks being introduced to guns early on, get proper training and carry when they turn 18. Better to let just a select few carry in schools, IMO.

Better way yet is to put drones in schools. Drones would provide the best system possible to quickly and accurately kill the shooter and minimize injury to nearby students.

Just need to front some $&D $ to get started. I’ve no doubt military technology is available now to get started on implementation.

Maybe just start with some smaller schools as a test base.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 3, 2018 12:41 AM
Comment #424966
Armed and trained personnel in the school is not “preventative”? If true, why do we not see attacks on police stations?

The shooter still has his weapon and will be able to kill many before an armed teacher can respond Royal. Preventive would be to not have the gun in the hands of a mentally ill or depressed shooter to begin with.

Royal perhaps not police stations yet but individual police are attacked from time to time.

Roy try and get liability insurance with the drones using lethal rounds, to many things to make a bad situation worse.

dbs, we had no standing army for coups , the militias actually fought against those rebelling in 1787, 1794 and so on. This pretense of a tyrannical government is conservative misunderstanding caused by the misinformation from the NRA. We have had gun laws and restrictions since the days of the founding fathers just as we have had guns.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/what-the-founding-fathers_b_10479314.html

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 9:17 AM
Comment #424968

Rich

The AR15 is not a powerful weapon. The 5.56 is a mid-range cartridge. It’s just scary looking. It is no more effective than many other gas operated semiauto rifles that don’t share it’s appearance


The standing army is a different debate, and would be an interesting one, but it does not change the original justification for the second amendment.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 9:19 AM

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 9:44 AM
Comment #424970

Why we need assault weapons laws, to many ammos**uals running around without the ability to think for themselves.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 9:55 AM
Comment #424971
The AR15 is not a powerful weapon.

Tell that to the parents of the 17 dead students/teachers at Parkland dbs.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 3, 2018 9:58 AM
Comment #424972

Roy Ellis, the logic behind our current attitude toward guns in public is counter productive.

Currently this is the common reaction that is reported in the MSM.

Someone sees a pistol in someone’s belt.
Immediate face palm
A scream
A call to law enforcement.

This is how people are conditioned to react when they see a weapon.

Consider the benefits of education, training, and familiarization.

Instead of constantly hearing about the murderer with a gun, we should be hearing about the lives saved by someone with access to a gun. Imagine instead of constantly hearing about children shooting themselves or others with a parent’s pistol, we train children to respect the weapon. It’s not a toy.

We train our children to not touch the hot stove. We don’t take the stove and hide it or ban it. We teach them to respect what it can do, both good and bad.

It’s good to have 3 and 4 year old children doing a face palm and running away and calling an adult when they see a weapon. It’s simply retarded to have a grown person do the same out of complete ignorance.

Let’s stop being stupid about firearms.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 3, 2018 10:17 AM
Comment #424975

j2

“Tell that to the parents of the 17 dead students/teachers at Parkland dbs.”

This emotion based response doesn’t make my comment any less accurate.

“Why we need assault weapons laws, to many ammos**uals running around without the ability to think for themselves.”

Ad hominem doesn’t your comment any less ridiculous.

Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 10:32 AM
Comment #424976

J2

This pretty much describes you and your friends on the left. No credibility. Just hyperbole, and character assassination.

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Posted by: dbs at March 3, 2018 10:37 AM
Comment #425000

Ur preachin to the quoir WW. I agree people should be way more familiar with guns. If you aren’t comfortable with using one it can get you killed what with an intruder and all …

And, I agree on the 17th. I love that Trump likes change. Let’s do away with NAFTA and the AFTA’s. Let’s make Mexico pay for the wall.

I used to watch some of the MSM to keep up with the opposition but I can’t take it any more. “Chaos in the WH”, Trump is reeling and coming apart”, “Trumps kids heading back to NY”, and so on … I refuse to turn it on anymore. Who, in their right mind watches that crap? The left is devoid … en toda.

I see more than enuff of the opposition thru watching FOX News.

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