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The CONSPIRACY

Now, it’s clear that President Trump has the awesome responsibility of presiding over the resolution of the largest political conspiracy ever carried out in this country. The scope of the conspiracy is near unimaginable. In essence, it is the ‘new US govt’ investigating and prosecuting the ‘old US gov’t’. Players involved in the conspiracy start at the very top with the Office of the President. Also, includes several agency/department heads and executors aka the DOS, DOJ, CIA, NSA, HHS, FBI and perhaps others. Complicity is widespread to include a number of organizations, associations and most notably, DNC officials, DEM House and Senate reps and the majority of the MSM, the Communist News Network, NBC and MSNBC outstanding.

In brief, the Obama admin was spying on the Trump admin, The purpose of the conspiracy was multi-faceted, with the main focus being to ensure that the Hillary Clinton would be elected President. Notable events: fixing the Dem primary so that Bernie Sanders would be cut out, securing FISA warrants to spy on Trump prior to and after the elections, and an effort to use a Special Counsel to impeach President Trump.

Upon Trump's election the conspiracy continued using a fake document populated with fake information provided by the Russian gov't and the DOS relating Trump's misdeeds.

An IG report is due in early March and other investigatory bodies are probing. The Mueller Special Counsel, established to look into Russian interference with our elections, may now be directed toward the Obama/Hillary admin and perhaps, the Clinton Foundation and/or Uranium One, Hillary's emails, and more.

However, some of the Special Counsel investigators are known to be complicit in the conspiracy which is likely to render the Special Counsel null and void, illegal.

How do we go about investigating and prosecuting the biggest scandal/conspiracy in the history of the USA? I believe the preferred and most efficient approach would be to convene a grandjury. Take the time to provide them security clearance to the level needed to peruse all pertinent information and ensure they are given access to ALL the information that can be garnered re the conspiracy and all its facets. Likely take three to four years. We should get started now so time to prosecute doesn't expire .

Otherwise, we have the CONSPIRACY we deserve . . .

Posted by Roy Ellis at February 10, 2018 12:05 AM
Comments
Comment #424211

Roy is this a parody you are trying to get on the Onion or what?

Yo have done one better than Colbert and Opposition, good job. This stuff is hysterical.

BTW what meds are you on?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 10, 2018 12:12 AM
Comment #424221

You should be ashamed of yourself Roy. Why do you fall for this type of crap Roy? Here is a link to reputable sources as well as naming sources and their biases.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2016/07/20/the-10-best-fact-checking-sites/

Posted by: j2t2 at February 10, 2018 10:38 AM
Comment #424235

J2 the truth shall set u free. Even CNN is off the Russian train.

Posted by: Roy ellis at February 11, 2018 9:02 PM
Comment #424251

Trump supporters are suffering from some of the most cognitively deforming dissonance possible. The only way to believe that #45 is not a malignantly narcissistic carrier of Dunning-Kruger syndrome is that everyone else is the problem. He is exampling the definition of paranoia since his followers are already suspicious of everyone and since he speak to their fears, they follow him. Despite the overwhelming evidence against him right in front of them. Like Don tweets “SAD!”

Posted by: Dave at February 12, 2018 2:13 PM
Comment #424252

Why are there still Obama holdovers in Gov’t? Is the FBI dragging their feet?

Why have the FBI not completed the security clearance for Rob Porter? Is the FBI dragging their feet?

Inquiring minds would like to know if/why Porter punched his wife in the eye. Some of these young ladies are suffering from tripolar/quadpolar mentalities. Maybe it was self defense. Can we not know?

Where has Jeff Sessions gone? Seems to be pretty much absent. This Steelman ex-MI5 agent and his FBI handler needs to be investigated. Where is Sessions in all this?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 12, 2018 2:16 PM
Comment #424253

Sorry, forgot this CNN link of the ongoing Russian train.
https://www.cnn.com/specials/politics/trump-russia-ties

Posted by: Dave at February 12, 2018 2:26 PM
Comment #424255

WHO at DOS passed info about Trump admin to Fusion GPS?

Dave wouldnt you like to know? Can we see the info? ?? ?? ?? ??

Posted by: Roy ellis at February 12, 2018 2:59 PM
Comment #424256

No, don’t care, don’t even know which propaganda piece is you’re reciting. It’s just a distraction effort from the treasonous behaviors of #45 and his sycophants.

Posted by: Dave at February 12, 2018 3:15 PM
Comment #424257

C’mon Roy Ellis, why are you distracting Dave from his delusions?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 3:37 PM
Comment #424258

Dismissing something as ‘propaganda’ and then turning right around and making baseless claims about ‘treasonous behaviors,’ is one of the silliest things to be posted on here in a while.

Posted by: kctim at February 12, 2018 4:01 PM
Comment #424259

WIllie: I’m just about certain that I’m not the one with delusions. Sorry if “I know you are but what am I” is the best I can do today. But arguing with the deluded is pointless, wouldn’t you agree?

Sure it is kc. That’s why the latest CNN posts on Trumps collusion was yesterday, they’re not “off the Russian train”. You seem to ascribe to trumps theory that not standing for his speech was treasonous but collusion is not. Please explain how plotting to influence a US national election with a foreign nation is not treasonous?

Posted by: Dave at February 12, 2018 4:15 PM
Comment #424260

Communist News Network just had Dim gov MCcauliff on for a 5 min ‘vote for dims’ spiel.

Posted by: Roy ellis at February 12, 2018 4:42 PM
Comment #424261

I was wondering when the puerile attempts at name calling would begin.

Posted by: Dave at February 12, 2018 4:46 PM
Comment #424262

I think the name calling started here, Dave.

a malignantly narcissistic carrier of Dunning-Kruger syndrome
Posted by: Weary Willie at February 12, 2018 4:53 PM
Comment #424264

” Please explain how plotting to influence a US national election with a foreign nation is not treasonous?”

We agree it is treasonous Dave, and are looking forward to Hillary, and others, doing a “perp-walk”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 12, 2018 5:08 PM
Comment #424265

Going to brief up my post with some shortcuts; Trump Russian Collusion - TRC, and Hillary Russian Collusion - HRC, and so on …

Can someone tell me exactly what classified information Robert Porter has seen/handled? Never mind, let’s just fire them all and get on with it, and so on . ..

Posted by: Roy D Ellis at February 12, 2018 5:09 PM
Comment #424266

“Please explain how plotting to influence a US national election with a foreign nation is not treasonous?”

I made no such claim, Dave. What I actually said was that statements of treasonous behavior are baseless, and I say that simply because the results of the investigation are not yet known. The so-called ‘evidence’ we have now is based on sources, secondary-sources and partisan assumptions and opinions.

What I found interesting about your comment though, was the blind partisanship and hypocrisy. How can you state that you don’t care about one person possibly plotting to influence a national election, but consider another person possibly doing it, to be treasonous?

Posted by: kctim at February 12, 2018 5:25 PM
Comment #424267

This is perhaps the best short version of the events of the Obama administration and Hillary corruption I have read.

Federal abuses on Obama’s watch represent a growing blight on his legacy

“High-ranking officials and other major players in those agencies — which Obama oversaw — are increasingly embroiled in the growing scandal: James Comey, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Andrew Weissmann, Sally Yates, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr.

Obama created a climate in which the potentially criminal misuse of the DOJ and the FBI, as currently being unraveled, was not just acceptable but perhaps encouraged, thereby giving rise to what could be the most dangerous scandal in American history.

…if Trump doesn’t just endure but succeeds, Obama, Clinton, their brigades and the larger decades-long radical movement have everything to lose.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 12, 2018 5:32 PM
Comment #424268

Sorry…here’s the link to the “Obama abuse” article referred to above.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/373379-federal-abuses-a-growing-blight-on-obamas-legacy

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 12, 2018 5:33 PM
Comment #424273

RF,
Thanks for the link. It is good to know that famous plagiarist Monica Crowley can still make a living writing garbage op-ed pieces. Umm. She didn’t copy this POS from someone else, did she? Just checking.

So! That is the best you’ve ever read about ‘abuses’? The accusations are complete baloney, with no evidence backing any of them. Notice that? How does it compare with the article by Roy Ellis? I thought the article was so bizarre, it was satire. Then I realized that, despite its incoherency, it was serious. Apparently no one can be trusted except Trump, FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh, and, well, Monica Crowley.

And we should distrust everyone else- Democrats, Republicans, “DOS, DOJ, CIA, NSA, HHS, FBI” and the MSM.

Just remember- Trump is treason.

Posted by: phx8 at February 13, 2018 12:11 AM
Comment #424280

As the methamphetamine crisis continues to wreak havoc on rural America it seems we see more and more of this type of hallucinations from our right wing friends.

http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/11/27/documentary-meth-storm-arkansas

Get some sleep guys.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 13, 2018 4:02 AM
Comment #424290

“Trump is treason”

Talk about accusations that are complete baloney with no evidence backing them. Ranks right up there with other BS classics such as:
Hillary didn’t lie.
I don’t care if democrats tried to influence a national election by paying for information from a foreign nation.
Argle bargle NAZIS!
Trump is going to give Alaska to Putin.
Trump and Putin are hunting down and killing people.
The right wing are all meth heads.

No doubt that all this leftist hate is based on nothing but “restoring the progressive revolution.” Nothing else can explain the left-wing ugliness and divisiveness we have been subjected to over the past decade.

Posted by: kctim at February 13, 2018 8:53 AM
Comment #424293

Let’s see, mostly in sequence:
“name calling started here” - Willie
I used real adult words to describe the behavior of #45. Roy whined about “dim” and “Communist NN”. That’s puerile.
“We agree it is treasonous Dave”- Flush
There’s zero evidence that HRC communicated with Russia, the evidence that the sitting president directly collaborated with a foreign country is substantial. Also, persecuting the loser of an election is what autocrats do to punish the opposition. I.e. Trump is both a traitor and a fascist.
“statements of treasonous behavior are baseless”- kc
That’s why I use the word deluded. People who support trump seem completely unable to see how thoroughly immoral and compromised he is. The DNC paying a law firm for opposition research is legal and normal. DJT asking family and campaign staff to meet with representatives of a foreign government, especially from a country where you are pursuing business interests and acts an enemy to the US, for that information is illegal and treasonous.
“It’s Obama’s fault” - Flush
That type of Whataboutism and using opinion pieces as if they’re fact is bot irrelevant and nonsensical.

Happy Tuesday, Go US sports people!

Posted by: Dave at February 13, 2018 9:25 AM
Comment #424294
Hillary didn’t lie.

Well she sure didn’t lie about Benghazi as conservatives kept telling us whilst allowing 7 different investigations on the issue. And please when you back the man who has lied on average 4 times a day this past year don’t throw stones.

I don’t care if democrats tried to influence a national election by paying for information from a foreign nation.

The same information that started with the repubs paying for it kctim?

Argle bargle NAZIS!

Once again not Nazis as much as being duped by Nazis as the people of Germany were in the late 20’s and early 3’s.


Trump is going to give Alaska to Putin.

Well Russian nationalist, or Trump base as he would say, want it back. Of course you all would have us believe Hillary gave Russia all our plutonium.

Trump and Putin are hunting down and killing people.

Well Putin is suspected of it. Trump has told us how much he admires Putin. Trump has also said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and his followers wouldn’t care, and you guys have sure proven that to be true. But I can’t find where anyone has included Trump in the hunting down and shooting people claim.

The right wing are all meth heads.

Not all of them, but it is a big problem in rural America and you guys are from rural America according to D.A.N. Not to mention the over the top conspiracy theories you guys have come up with to defend Trump this past year or so. Which makes the lack of sleep one plausible reason for such delusional nonsense.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 13, 2018 10:14 AM
Comment #424297

Evidence for those who really want to decide, rather than have Alex Jones and Sean Hannity tell them what to think…

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/27/16670950/trump-russia-timeline

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/12/01/timeline-events-related-russia-investigation/914959001/

Posted by: Dave at February 13, 2018 10:35 AM
Comment #424299

Dave, the investigation is not completed and the results are not yet known, so exactly what factual evidence proves that “the sitting president directly collaborated with a foreign country”?
You guys have been shouting treason and traitor for over a year now. Please correct me if I am wrong, but IF there is proof of actual treason to support your claim, wouldn’t it be in the nations best interest to take care of it as soon as possible?

“People who support trump seem completely unable to see how thoroughly immoral and compromised he is.”

The only way to come to that conclusion is by “using opinion pieces as if they are fact”.
Your claim that he is “immoral” is based solely on the opinion that he does not support ‘progressive’ policies.
Your claim that he is “compromised” is based solely on hate for those who do not support ‘progressive’ policies. No different than the ridiculous claims of nazis, fascist, racist etc…

People don’t care about the far-left’s hypocritical opinions or hateful desires, they want facts. And IF the facts show collusion they will accept the results.

Posted by: kctim at February 13, 2018 10:38 AM
Comment #424301

This is what the left refers to as logic and proof.

but it is a big problem in rural America and you guys are from rural America according to D.A.N.
Posted by: Weary Willie at February 13, 2018 11:01 AM
Comment #424302

J2,
From day one, Hillary lied about her email servers and classified information fiasco. But you already knew that was what I was referring to.
And please, don’t try to compare unattainable campaign promises or meaningless exaggerations about crowd sizes, to what she is guilty of.

“The same information that started with the repubs paying for it kctim?”

No. Since it is said that none of that information appears in the Steele dossier, it would be information created after Republicans dropped their oppo research on May 3, 2016. You know, after dems took it over and Steele was hired.

“Once again not Nazis as much as being duped by Nazis as the people of Germany were in the late 20’s and early 3’s.”

And once again, it is all in your head.

“Well Russian nationalist, or Trump base as he would say, want it back.”

Yeah, that sounds just as dumb as it did when the other guy on here said it. FFS

“But I can’t find where anyone has included Trump in the hunting down and shooting people claim.

Memos & Probes - Are We All Getting A Little Tired?:
“Some were just murdered outright. Putin did a lot of house cleaning to cover for his puppet.”

“Not to mention the over the top conspiracy theories you guys have come up with to defend Trump this past year or so.”

Name one conspiracy theory I have promoted.

Posted by: kctim at February 13, 2018 11:16 AM
Comment #424303
But you already knew that was what I was referring to.

How would I know kctim? Conservatives have told us the sky is falling so many times when it comes to the Clintons’s. As far as the emails You are looking at molehills and claiming they are mountains. Tell you what I’m willing to bet those conservative media and propagandist that have spun the whole email claim into a much bigger issue than it is have told many more lies about it that Hillary has.


On top of it you are asking to discount campaign promises as lies for Trump! Not to mention other intentional lies! Well lets get it straight as we have 3 more years of Trump, kctim. Which intentional lies do you want to give Trump a pass on? Who is to judge the size of the lie and determine if it falls into the big lie the medium lie or the small lie category. You are asking to excuse all but the big lies! It reflects on character and at 4 or more a day you are backing a sick twisted f**K.

So you seem to be telling me that because the information paid for by the conservative WFB/Singer wasn’t in the Steele dossier then it wasn’t used by the WFB/Singer or other repub candidates prior to the national convention? Why would they pay for it and then not use it? Of course they would all deny it but who knows at this point. Anyway the point is yes they did start it. Just as the dems picked it up when Trump was nominated, it’s opposition research they all do it.

So name one conspiracy theory you promoted,why? How about one you used to defend Trump with? That list is long.

Memo and Probes, nope still nothing about Trump gunning down people. Have you exaggerated someones comment kctim? Or lied about it!


Posted by: j2t2 at February 13, 2018 12:28 PM
Comment #424304

How would you know, J2? Because I haven’t wasted your time with unfounded allegations.

I am not asking anyone to discount anything. I am simply stating that reasonable people don’t care about crowd size or how long a wall is, but they sure as he11 do care when they are lied to about classified information or the price of their health care premiums.

“Anyway the point is yes they did start it.”

No, they did not. Steele was hired for the dems oppo research that produced the dossier. Republicans had nothing to do with it.

“How about one you used to defend Trump with? That list is long.”

Go for it, name just one or as many as you want.

“Have you exaggerated someones comment kctim?”

I’m still reading Collusion, by Luke Harding. There are a whole lot of Igors. It’s a little like reading Dostoevsky.
People get bagged and disappeared in front of their colleagues. The Russian who knew -rump the longest had a sudden heart attack and died. Others died suddenly although they had never been sick. Some were just murdered outright. Putin did a lot of house cleaning to cover for his puppet.

But, by all means, please go ahead and explain to us how that doesn’t “really” mean Trump and Putin are having people murdered.

Posted by: kctim at February 13, 2018 1:12 PM
Comment #424307

Doing Opposition research and using it in a campaign isn’t a crime. Using opposition research as evidence in a criminal accusation are two very different things. Why was the dossier brought to a secret court to begin with? If it was a crime it should have gone to a criminal court and a public record made.

Donald Trump Jr. is accused of meeting with Russians to gather opposition research and the left treats it as a crime. Yet when Democratics meet with foreigners it is political SOP.

Do you see why people can’t believe a word the Democratics say? It’s like the left know they’re going to get caught doing something so they blame Republicans for the same thing to deflect attention from them. And, of course, the Democratic’s lap dog media spews it for months trying to get people to believe it.

Congratulations goes to the Democratic Party! They’ve finally become transparent and they’ve done it without even trying.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 13, 2018 1:53 PM
Comment #424308

If you think about it, the Democratics can be described as someone vainly looking at themselves in a mirror, but they have no idea it is a two way mirror and the rest of the country are on the other side looking at them.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 13, 2018 1:55 PM
Comment #424311

Kctim. how does “Putin did a lot of house cleaning to cover for his puppet” translate into “Trump and Putin are hunting down and killing people? Seems to me it takes quite a bit of conservativespeak to get that twisted, which it seems is how you guys have got to so many of your myths about the political opposition.

You know it’s funny you cannot let go of Obama and Hillary kctim, like many of your conservative friends you were outraged at what you supposed to be lies by Obama and Hillary. But when it comes to Trump you defend him. Which leads us to two things.

First of all it’s time to give up the it’s Hillary or Obama’s fault or the “well they did it to” whining or the “well they are worse” arguments so prevalent from the conservatives here on WB. Because it doesn’t excuse Trump.

Which leads us to number two.How about the quantity of lies kctim? Not just the size of the lie but the large amount of repeated lying that Trump is so well known for. You bring up the number of people at his inauguration, acting as if it was just a small lie but my good god kctim, why would he even need to lie about this? Does pathological liar come into view on your radar at any point in time with Trump?

So many for no real reason coupled with your forgiveness for campaign promises he was never going to keep, man how can you say that one with a straight face? Then there are the big ones. The “no one knows if it was the Russians tampering in the elections” lie, the “millions of illegals voted” lie. The “higher income tax rates for the wealthy” lie..er…umm..campaign lie. The “Mexico is gonna pay for the wall” lie.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 13, 2018 3:21 PM
Comment #424313

Not surprising that you would intentionally omit the parts that are insinuating Putin and Trump are having people killed, J2.
But yeah, Putin is probably just vacuuming Trumps house huh, LOL! Thanks for not disappointing us.

“You know it’s funny you cannot let go of Obama and Hillary kctim”

Does this sound familiar, J2:
- The kind of corruption we had legislated out but the conservative SCOTUS has allowed under the guise of liberty. Started with Reagan and his “government is the problem” tune

How many other quotes of yours do you think I could find talking about Reagan or Bush?
Stop trying to deflect with such nonsense.

Fact: Obama and Hillary both lied about things that p1ssed Americans off. Stating that fact is not “well they did it to” whining or the “well they are worse” argument, nor is it an attempt to excuse Trump.
IF you would take your partisan blinders off for a moment, you would see that Americans have become pretty much immune to insignificant lies from politicians. Even the number of them doesn’t really matter all that much. It is only when the lies have a direct impact on people, that they begin to care.

Using campaign promises to label somebody a liar is dishonest, especially after just one year.
Guantanamo Bay is still open. We didn’t get a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners. No path to citizenship for illegal aliens. Do you believe those promises were never intended to be kept? Or that politics stood in their way?

“How about one you used to defend Trump with? That list is long.”

Still waiting.

Posted by: kctim at February 13, 2018 4:18 PM
Comment #424315

“Trump is treason.”

Wow, how original. Perhaps our Pal phx8 can persuade the Democrat Party to use that “clever language” as a plank in their 2020 platform.

But wait…by the 2020 Democrat convention we expect some of their top operatives to be awaiting trial on corruption charges or; already in prison.

Poor Dave, his link to “vox.com” begins with Flynn supposedly lying to the FBI.

We now know that is untrue. “Former FBI director James Comey told lawmakers last March that the FBI agents who interviewed retired Gen. Michael Flynn, who briefly served in the Trump White House, said Flynn did not lie to them — which contradicts what the Russia probe has concluded.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/james-comey-michael-flynn-fbi-russia/2018/02/12/id/842983/

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 13, 2018 5:10 PM
Comment #424316
You bring up the number of people at his inauguration, acting as if it was just a small lie but my good god kctim, why would he even need to lie about this?

The left defends Obama’s inaugural crowd size because of the amount of garbage and damage left behind. Since Trump’s people didn’t destroy the grounds and they threw their refuse in the proper receptacle, there must have been fewer people there.

Actually, they used photographs to compare the number of people taking up space. Since that is a Democratic voters main purpose in life, sure, there must have been more people there watching Obama.

No. I humor myself.

Actually, for real, Trump was referring to the number of people at the inaugural and the number of people who watched it online and on air. Those audiences combined made Trumps inaugural more watched than Obama’s.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 13, 2018 5:34 PM
Comment #424319

WW,
30.7 million watched the Trump inauguration. 37.7 million watched Obama’s first inauguration.

Trump was lying.

RF,
That linked article was terrible.

Here is the concluding paragraph: “Mueller’s team is investigating whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. The probe has resulted in four indictments thus far.”

No. Two people have been indicted on multiple counts, Manafort and Gates. Two have pled guilty on one count of lying to the FBI, Flynn and Papadopolous. Both Flynn and Papadopolous agreed to be cooperating witnesses, with the latter cooperating ‘proactively,’ meaning he probably wore a wire.

Here are the relevant Flynn documents:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-flynn-plea-agreement-documents

Flynn made this plea bargain to avoid additional charges, and perhaps to protect his idiot son. If he fails to cooperate or misleads investigators he will face additional charges. One is the same in the Manafort and Gates indictments, failing to register as a foreign agent. Flynn publicly admitted this by registering two years after the fact; legally, he had 10 days to state he was being paid by a foreign entity.

Posted by: phx8 at February 13, 2018 6:01 PM
Comment #424320

Anyone see any of the testimony by the heads of the IC this morning?

Every time Trump talks about a witch hunt and a hoax he undermines the security of the United States. He knows attacks happened, continue to happen, and will in all likelihood happen again in the 2018 midterms, yet Trump not only does nothing- NOTHING- he actively undermines national security.

Posted by: phx8 at February 13, 2018 6:04 PM
Comment #424321

phx8, I fully expect General Flynn’s plea agreement to be withdrawn by his attorney.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 13, 2018 6:19 PM
Comment #424322

I will side with the Democrats and President Trump on fair trade concerning steel and aluminum.

Trump spars with GOP lawmakers on steel tariffs

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/373685-trump-spars-with-gop-lawmakers-on-steel-tariffs

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 13, 2018 7:13 PM
Comment #424323

Perhaps my pal phx8 will find this as interesting as I did.

“After Flynn pled guilty, I argued that this showed Mueller did not have a collusion case. If he did, he would have forced Flynn to plead guilty to some kind of criminal conspiracy involving the Trump campaign and Russia, and had Flynn implicate his Trump World coconspirators in the course of allocuting in court. Instead, Flynn pled out to a mere process crime, giving Mueller a scalp but not much else.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456379/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-questions-raised-about-fbi-robert-mueller-investigation

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 13, 2018 7:28 PM
Comment #424324

Didn’t I say this would end up with a whimpy perjury charge instead of the brouhaha the Democratics expected/hoping/desparate to end with?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 13, 2018 7:40 PM
Comment #424325


Dim’s have been ignoring the truth for a number of years. Somewhat understandable as the MSM is joined at the hip with dim officials, pushing/supporting their agenda, lying, bending the truth, being quiet, as necessary to carry out a dim agenda.

Recall, for years, I referred to dims as dems. I changed the spelling after it became clear Hillary would not be brought to justice by the Obama admin.

There is a lot of hoopla going around about how the Ruskies interfered with elections past and that they are expected to do the same going forward. I say, who the hell cares. People have a brain and should know how to use it well enough to spot propaganda. Further, what a sorry assed intelligence apparatus we have if Soviet interference can’t be shut down or diminished. Now, could be the US position is to not work to block the Soviets so that channels are open to US propaganda going into Russia. Either way, I don’t give a whit.

Agree that a one-off lie might be hard to discern. But, to build/support a corrupt political apparatus there must be a lot of lies and it ain’t hard to connect the dots.

Heard today a one-off lie reported by the msm. A twenty something year old male said he couldn’t stop his car and was going down the freeway at speeds around 100mph. The msm didn’t say anything about the possibility/likelihood the man was lying. They reported the man’s story as they were told. Yet, the msm and everyone else over 11 years old knows the man was lying his ass off.

Interesting too, that the cops threw tire flatteners into the roadway and the car came to a stop. Do you believe flattened tires brought the car to a stop? Doesn’t it seem dangerous to flatten the tires on a car traveling 100 mph in freeway traffic? Why would the driver not of been advised to turn off the switch, gear down the car, drive up against a sidewall, put the car in neutral gear, and so on …

So, by just reporting what the guy said the msm is supporting the lie, by saying nothing or questioning the drivers excuse. Could be the msm is remaining quite, just let the story play out and get a lot more out of the story over time. I can understand that but, again, who gives a rats ass. Anyone over 11 has it nailed down, not a big deal. Drugs, mental case, smart ass, et al …

Rob Porter was fired for domestic abuse. I’ve heard thru the msm that some 30 WH emps have been working w/o security clearances for up to a year. If they have not had access to classified material, so what. Maybe some/all of them hold a temporary clearance to secret level or similar.

But, if some folks are being given access to classified material w/o proper clearances then some heads should roll at the WH and FBI. Not an impeachable offense but some half dozen officials should get the axe pdq.

Unbelievable that the dim’s are still slow walking Trump appointees. Can only hope the GOP remembers this if ever the dim’s take over the WH. The party’s should put the peoples interest over politics and do something to prevent this situation ever happening again.

Hillary violated biggly communications security regs. Convene a grand jury and get going. We’ve known this for a year and no justice - beyond belief. Maybe the GOP has an answer. I’d sure like to hear it.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at February 13, 2018 9:15 PM
Comment #424346

RF,
Here is the basic flaw with the National Review premise:

“Because Flynn was a Trump transition official and incoming national-security adviser, there was nothing at all inappropriate about his discussing Obama-imposed sanctions against Russia with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.”

Except it was highly inappropriate. The article suggests it has something to do with a Logan Act violation. That is incorrect. Flynn offered the Russian ambassador a quid pro quo. He offered to follow through: no additional sanctions as a reward for putting Trump in the White House, and incidentally, Flynn as the NSA. (Did Flynn also offer to lift existing sanctions?). Flynn lied, and pled guilty to that lie.

Accepting the offer is collusion, or more accurately, conspiracy to violate campaign finance law, not to mention it’s treasonous.

And the fact that we have not heard anything from Flynn since then indicates he has been cooperative.

There are additional scandals that barely make the news. Flynn was involved in a plot with his business partners and the Turks to kidnap a cleric. He was also involved in a scheme to sell nuclear power plants to countries in the Middle East.

Posted by: phx8 at February 14, 2018 12:02 PM
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phx8, You are in error, it was NOT inappropriate for Flynn to be talking with foreign officials. Prior to the election and Trump win it would have been but after the election it was not because then it was President elect Trump. Get your facts straight. There was even a liberal reporter that got his time line wrong and had to retract his statements about Flynn and when he talked to the Russian ambassador.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 14, 2018 12:27 PM
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Does this sound familiar, J2:

Kctim, it does look like something I would say. I would also say that trying to equate this statement with the ongoing false conspiracy claims of far right regarding Clinton and Obama is illogical my friend. First context and issue is important. Second Reagan wasn’t investigated and cleared on the issues as was Hillary. Third I am not trying to get a political opponent charged with criminal activity as conservatives and Trump are wanting to do with Hillary and Obama. I would suggest this is an apples and oranges comparison to the right wing using that Hillary and Obama as scapegoats to deflect from Trump and his campaign staff.

IF you would take your partisan blinders off for a moment, you would see that Americans have become pretty much immune to insignificant lies from politicians.

Do me a favor kctim, scan this link and tell me which of these falsehoods Trump has uttered are insignificant and do not have a direct impact on people.

I think you underestimate the power of the propagandist lie kctim. As Goebbels tells us tell “The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly and penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of the propagandist initiative”.

As far as campaign promises sure sometimes the political opposition keeps things from happening as the repubs did much of Obama’s presidency. But in the case of Trump and his first year he had his own party controlling Congress and still managed to break his campaign promises. Of course he still has time to fulfill other promises and those shouldn’t be held against him as lies. Despite repubs doing just that to Obama as is the case in the examples you cite.


Posted by: j2t2 at February 14, 2018 12:33 PM
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J2,
The Hillary and Obama lies are fact, not conspiracy theories.

Your link isn’t working.

I am well aware of the power of the propagandist lie, the baseless claims of treason, traitor, racist, sexist etc…, are louder than ever.

Which party was in control during Obama’s first year?

What conspiracy theories have I used to defend Trump?

Posted by: kctim at February 14, 2018 1:00 PM
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KAP,
It is not inappropriate for a transition team to contact other governments. No one ever said it was inappropriate. It is highly inappropriate to make an offer to undermine sanctions against Russia after Russia helped that campaign win the election.

There is no need to debate dates. Look at the link earlier in the thread on Flynn’s guilty plea, especially the Statement of Offense. Flynn and the ambassador communicated in December, before Trump took office. There is only one administration at a time, and only one foreign policy. People like Limbaugh and Hannity count on you not looking at that sort of thing.

By the way, to this day, the Trump administration has not sanctioned Russia or punished them in any way whatsoever for their role in the 2016 election. And as every Trump-appointed, Republican head of the various IC agencies testified yesterday, the Russians are continuing their attacks, and are expected to do it again in 2018.

Roy Ellis,
“There is a lot of hoopla going around about how the Ruskies interfered with elections past and that they are expected to do the same going forward. I say, who the hell cares.”

Spoken like a Russian troll.

Posted by: phx8 at February 14, 2018 1:17 PM
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“no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections.”

“Of course the election will not be rigged! What does that mean?” Obama said at a news conference at the Pentagon. “That’s ridiculous. That doesn’t make any sense.”

Looks like Obama didn’t care all that much about it either.

Posted by: kctim at February 14, 2018 1:41 PM
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phx8, Some in the FBI say Flynn didn’t lie. In December Flynn may have had conversations with the Russian ambassador but it was NOT INAPPROIATE for him to do so. What they talked about was just that talk, he was part of the incoming administration. phx8 as far as sanctions go why didn’t the last 4 or 5 administrations do something about the interference by the Russians in our elections? Obama interfered in the Israel election process, did you condemn that? Like I have been saying the Russians and others have been doing it for decades and now all of a sudden democrats are up in arms because they lost to Trump and you with your conspiracy theories are a hoot!!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 14, 2018 2:58 PM
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“… Some in the FBI say Flynn didn’t lie.”

So? Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI.

“… as far as sanctions go why didn’t the last 4 or 5 administrations do something about the interference by the Russians in our elections?”

Because nothing had ever been done on this scale before. Russian efforts targeting western democracies- Britain, the Netherlands, France, Germany, and more- using cyber warfare & social media has been a recent development; not only that, it is continuing, as we saw with the boosting of #releasethememo into the national discussion, and Russian interference is likely to get worse in the future.

Posted by: phx8 at February 14, 2018 3:14 PM
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phx8, As far as Flynn goes legal fees breaking him I’d probably do the same and tell the FBI anything to get them off my back, but if you have been into NEWS and not liberal media smear BULLS**T tabloid crap you would know that some in the FBI said he didn’t lie. Russia, China, N. K.. Iran and a host of others have been interfering in elections for ages even our allies and now you b***h about it. If Hillary would have won NOTHING would have even been said about the interference but Trump won and now it’s a big deal. Admit it phx8 your just pissed off because your girl didn’t win.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 14, 2018 3:44 PM
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“… some in the FBI said he didn’t lie.”

Oh? Is that a fact! Well, please tell me their names!

You won’t. Because you can’t. It’s a conspiracy theory, plain and simple.

Yesterday FBI Director Wray testified and he neglected to mention this. Please explain. Is the Trump-appointed Republican FBI Director in on the conspiracy too?

The Trump Campaign conspiring with the Russians is actually Hillary’s fault? Do tell!

Trump refusing to punish the Russians with sanctions is actually Hillary’s fault? Well shut the front door!

Trump talking with Putin eight times and not telling Americans, and we only find out because the Russians tell us, is also actually Hillary’s fault? Ah. I see.

Trump firing Comey, and meeting with the Russian ambassador and foreign minister the following day in the Oval Office, at Putin’s request, and Trump telling them the pressure was off from the Russian investigation… Now, let me guess… That must be Hillary’s fault too!

Yeah, traitors and crooks in the White House… And complaining about it is just sour grapes? Really?

Whose side are you on?

Posted by: phx8 at February 14, 2018 4:01 PM
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phx8 unlike you I am on the side of FACT not BULL**T conspiracy theories that you have conjured up. PROOF phx8, where has your PROOF been? O I know you don’t have any. By the way the source of the FBI agents saying Flynn didn’t lie weren’t named. Where did I say anything was Hillary’s fault? She was just a PISS POOR candidate who thought the W. H. was owed to her.

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