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ReInstate the Draft!

If you disagree with public education, reinstate the draft.


If there is a time when a country must make a decision, I believe this is the time.

The draft shouldn't be equated with conquering in war. It should be equated with getting a country back on course.

Basic and AIT were defining experiences for me. By not instituting the draft we are depriving ourselves of the benefits of a discipline that is fundamental to survival.

Democratics have us believe we don't need to be disciplined. I disagree. One of the best decisions I made was to get on the bus that brought me to Fort Jackson.

Posted by Weary_Willie at February 4, 2018 12:56 AM
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Comment #424057

Weary I agree with public education and in reinstating the draft. But as we know the problem is the mandatory service aspect. Conservatives could not possibly think it is ok for a mandatory service in the armed forces while being against mandatory health insurance. Just imagine the horrific loss of individual liberty suffered by those that do not freely choose to participate in forced military participation.

Not to mention how enlarging the military to such a size needed to accommodate all these kids could only lead to war overseas. The incentive to send those young men and women to battle would be to great a burden for our elected officials to handle. Not to mention the fraud and abuse that occurs when government isn’t small…right?

Besides Weary can’t we have the police, the courts and prisons “discipline” these kids?

I do have to wonder Weary with a military spending taking so much of our tax dollars how would we pay for this forced “service”? Maybe we could force the parents to pay for weapons food training and transportation of these kids. Or forced corporate sponsorships?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2018 1:46 PM
Comment #424060

I will make a statement and see if I can get an argument from j2t2 as he seems to disagree with anything, and everything, written by a Conservative.

The sun rises in the East.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 4, 2018 4:27 PM
Comment #424062

Royal, why not respond to what was said instead of a red herring?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2018 8:18 PM
Comment #424063

j2t2, would you consider the military a worthwhile endeavour for people trapped in the inner cities? Do you think people who, instead of joining gangs, join the military would be successful in life?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 4, 2018 8:24 PM
Comment #424065

Weary, all things are possible, well all things except you dealing with questions I actually asked. But hey do you think health insurance a worthwhile endeavor for people trapped in inner cities?

The point Weary is how as a conservative you can suggest mandatory service for people trapped in inner cites yet tell us our liberties have been violated by mandatory health insurance.

I know you aren’t a hypocrite so the only thing I can think of is in you mind it is ok for those trapped in inner cites, because they obviously have no discipline, to have mandatory services forced upon them but not for the sons and daughters of the wealthy.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2018 10:36 PM
Comment #424067

The active duty end strength in the armed forces for fiscal year 2017 was 1,281,900 service members, with an additional 801,200 people in the seven reserve components.

There were roughly 4 million 18 year old people in the USA in 2015. Assuming a uniform distribution of birthdays, and dividing by 365 days per year, that is almost 11,000 people turning age 18 per day (and it is probably a higher number today in 2018).

Whatever the mandatory age, how would the military use an additional 4 million people per year (almost 11,000 per day) new recruits?

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2018 12:27 AM
Comment #424071

D.A.N, Weary was intended on only those “trapped inner city” people getting forced into service so they can be disciplined. Surely that would cut the number significantly.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2018 1:12 AM
Comment #424077

29 Largest Armies In The World
Rank __ Country ____ Active-Military
1 China 2,183,000 (0.16% of population of 1.384 Billion)
2 India 1,395,100 (0.11% of population of 1.297 Billion)
3 United States 1,347,300 (0.41% of population of 0.329 Billion)
4 North Korea 1,190,000 of (2.32 %of population of 51.25 million)
5 Russia 831,000
6 Pakistan 653,800
7 South Korea 630,000
8 Iran 523,000
9 Vietnam 482,000
10 Egypt 438,500
11 Myanmar 406,000
12 Indonesia 395,500
13 Thailand 360,850
14 Turkey 355,200
15 Brazil 334,500
16 Colombia 293,200
17 Mexico 277,150
18 Japan 247,150
19 Sudan 244,300
20 Sri Lanka 243,000
21 Saudi Arabia 227,000
22 Taiwan 215,000
23 Ukraine 204,000
24 France 202,950
25 Eritrea 201,750
26 Morocco 195,800
27 South Sudan 185,000
28 Germany 176,800
29 Israel 176,500

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2018 10:04 AM
Comment #424082

Weren’t we told the U.S. has the largest military, larger than all the world’s military s combined? I’ve heard that over and over again.

Wait!

It’s not the largest military in the world, it’s the largest expenditure in the world. Our military is smaller than China’s but we spend three times as much as China does.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 5, 2018 1:11 PM
Comment #424083

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

For post-high school programs, the United States is far outspent in public dollars. U.S. taxpayers picked up 36 cents of every dollar spent on college and vocational training programs. Families and private sources picked up the balance.

Democratics should be in favor of using the military to offset the lack of funding in education for post-high school education. The military has many marketable skills that can be transferred to private sector jobs.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 5, 2018 1:21 PM
Comment #424085

Umm…Weary how do you get over the mandatory conscription hurdle as a conservative? You are suggesting a forced service for discipline just like Obama did with forced health insurance. Why is it ok for those trapped in inner cites to lose their liberties but not you and me when we but heath insurance?


Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2018 3:29 PM
Comment #424089

Selective service is a mandatory registry of every male ages 18-25. It’s function is to facilitate a draft should the need arise. It was last used in Vietnam war and can still be called upon at any time.

Peace time drafts were held from after WWII until 1973. In 1980 President Carter reinstated the Selective Service program via. Proclamation 4771.

The Selective Service System describes its mission as “to serve the emergency manpower needs of the Military by conscripting untrained manpower, or personnel with professional health care skills, if directed by Congress and the President in a national crisis”

The 13th amendment allows for indentured servitude in the case of being convicted of a crime.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The groundwork for reinstating the draft is already in place. The misconception present in this thread would be that I support a mandatory conscription of every person becoming 18 years of age. This is not the case and I never said it was.

Many local justice systems are turning to “boot camps” to aid in the rehabilitation of criminals. Since the U.S. military is spending 3 times as much as our nearest competitor, it should be able to absorb conscription of eligible criminals instead of storing them in private prisons.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 5, 2018 9:13 PM
Comment #424091

So Weary, I still haven’t seen an answer to the conservative quandary on this issue. Unless you are now suggesting that all those people “trapped in the inner city” actually means eligible criminals. Are you gong to just round them up and send them off to boot camp without a trial or wait until they are found guilty and then sentence them to the military.

So you want to put hardened criminals found guilty of using drugs and robbing and killing people into the military! I suppose you want to arm them and turn them loose on those “trapped in the inner city” you haven’t conscripted yet!

Posted by: j2t2 at February 6, 2018 12:26 AM
Comment #424100

Do you just sit around putting words into people’s mouths, j2t2? How can you expect someone to have an intelligent conversation with you when you make shit up?

… and ohrealy wonders why no one will visit WatchBlog any longer.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 6, 2018 9:53 AM
Comment #424106

Explain yourself then Weary. You propose this idea that was abandoned years ago and then want to selectively use it on “trapped inner city” people. Nothing about any “trapped in small town America” people or anyone. Instead of answering how conservatives of today can be ok with mandatory conscription, you eventually modify you plan to just those trapped in the inner cities and convicted of a crime.

SO it seems you do not want to send just any criminal to the military, but selected criminals, please explain. Or perhaps you don’t want to train them and then set them on those “trapped in the inner cities” or do you?

Are you thinking of a national level boot camp for first time offenders? Are you proposing tent cities in Iraq for first time offenders guarded by the military? Or are you thinking putting them through the military as if they enlisted.

Why do you only include those trapped in the inner cities do you honestly think they are the only “undisciplined” souls amongst us?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 6, 2018 12:35 PM
Comment #424107

I have already demonstrated it has not been abandoned. Selective Service is still the law of the land.

It is you who is contradicting yourself. Listen to what you said:

Weary I agree with public education and in reinstating the draft. But as we know the problem is the mandatory service aspect.

The draft is mandatory service, j2t2.

It is you who interjected that everyone 18 years of age be drafted.

Not to mention how enlarging the military to such a size needed to accommodate all these kids could only lead to war overseas.

I clearly said the military is a way out of being trapped in inner cities. I also formatted that in the form of a question.

Here, read it again;

j2t2, would you consider the military a worthwhile endeavour for people trapped in the inner cities? Do you think people who, instead of joining gangs, join the military would be successful in life?

however, you don’t answer the question. You only twist it by putting words in my mouth and misrepresent what I say. You also introduce your pet peeve, healthcare, into the conversation as a distraction to avoid answering. I truly think you are avoiding the subject. Why?

Tell you what, j2t2. Wouldn’t people from inner cities who joined the military be receiving free health care as well as receiving all the benefits of being in a close knitted group of people devoted to a common cause and treated as equals?

I think you would benefit from listening to others instead of immediately condemning them and putting words in their mouths, j2t2.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 6, 2018 1:20 PM
Comment #424120

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Comment #424121

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