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What would the Democratics do if Trump actually shut down the probe?


The Probe

What would really happen if Trump said, “Enough is Enough!”.

He will when Democratic seats start turning toward him. America is shedding it's skin. Democratics in Washington D.C. are living in their own little world and they haven't got a clue what they're up against. They didn't see it coming in 2016. They haven't changed. They're not going to see it in 2018.

Trump supporters know Rome isn't built in a day. We know it isn't all going to fall in place simply because Trump got elected. Democratics don't understand our resolve.

Democratics are still living in the 20th century where information decimation is involved. They still believe they can lie with impunity. They relied on the media's smokescreen exclusively while the rest of us turn to using technology to blow away that fog. They wonder why we don't believe them. It's because they are so used to lying with impunity the can't understand why we disagree with them.

They are hanging on, for over a year, to a strategy that has suffered defeat after defeat, hoping some day the world will become dumb and finally believe it.

We've seen this with global warming, drugs, poverty, immigration, and a myriad of sub-issues that Democratics throw into the process. They hope, in all these issues, that we all will become dumb.

And we let them believe it.

I remember being told that if you don't say anything against, your consent is understood.
Government uses that philosophy to pass laws they deem appropriate. If nobody objects it must be good, they say.

Apathy is our greatest enemy.

I was working with my boss and we briefly discussed politics. It was the "the Obama economy is finally kicking in" argument. The discussion ended when my boss said she didn't want to talk about it any longer. I had to fill another 3 hours with discussions about the weather and recent shows I've watched on NetFlix. I wanted to tell her,

"That is what's wrong with politics today!".

"One side refuses to listen to the other!"

"The U.S. can't survive if we can't talk to each other."

But I was afraid I was going to be accused of violating company rules, or inappropiate conduct. I kept my mouth shut and concentrated on the minutia that makes up life in the U.S. these days. I'm telling myself I'm doing my part by not making waves.



Posted by Weary_Willie at February 3, 2018 11:57 PM
Comments
Comment #424058

Zeig Heil Weary, I think you went to the top spot for the Goebbels ““Devotion, fervor, longing! Those are my pillars. We have to be the bridge to the future.” award this year. My hats off to you. Outstanding work when it comes to disseminating misinformation to the masses. Attempting to blame the corporate media for reporting on the issue is pure divide and confuse at its best.

Trumps goal has been to shut down the probe from day one, when Comey was still in the FBI. Of course you don’t want to acknowledge this, choosing instead to blame the dems for Trumps campaign problems.

The key figures in the probe, (Mueller, Rosenstein) are repubs who unfortunately for Trump haven’t allowed their politics to interfere with their work. The repubs on the intelligence committee make mountains out of molehills by defaming FBI rank and file over texts between them. They try to tell us of ethics violations that have been found to be non issues.

But that means nothing to you Weary. You choose to divide and obfuscate the issue with propaganda like this. IMHO not only should you be in contention for the coveted Goebbels trophy for misleading propaganda you should be a contender for the “Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will.” award.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2018 3:25 PM
Comment #424064

It was a simple question, j2t2. Not worthy of the insults you pour on it. What would happen if he just ended it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 4, 2018 8:26 PM
Comment #424066

Weary I wasn’t responding to the question it was your narrative that gave Trump the power (and placed blame on others)to usurp the rule of law that I was responding to.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 4, 2018 11:08 PM
Comment #424068

Weary, Perhaps Mueller and his investigation should continue.

Nothing has been found so far agasint Trump.
IF the investigation goes on and one for years, and nothing is found, then it will look like a very costly, wasteful, and biased witch hunt.

Especially now, since the FISA memo shows bias by leaders in the FBI, text messages of people in the FBI and people on Mueller’s team shows deep bias (even hatred of Trump), and Mueller’s team consists mostly of people that donated to Hillary’s campaign.

Posted by: d.a.n at February 5, 2018 12:35 AM
Comment #424070

The memo is more biased than the FBI.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/robert-mueller-donald-trump-memo-justice-department/amp/

Posted by: j2t2 at February 5, 2018 1:09 AM
Comment #424079

More protests
More riots
More violence
More divisive rhetoric
More hatred towards those who dare disagree

Pretty much what they always do when they don’t get their way.

Posted by: kctim at February 5, 2018 10:39 AM
Comment #424084

They do that when they get what they want, also.

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/02/04/philly-fans-celebrate-winning-super-bowl-lii-trying-burn-their-city-ground/

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 5, 2018 1:31 PM
Comment #424101

I hope you are right kctim, when Trump attempts to fire these guys and shut down the investigation I hope the DOJ, FBI and the rest of the country takes to the streets.

The problem here is you guys , you do realize. You have been duped into believing the DOJ and the FBI are doing something wrong.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 6, 2018 9:54 AM
Comment #424102

We already know the IRS does wrong, why not scrutinize the DOJ and FBI also?

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 6, 2018 9:56 AM
Comment #424104

There problem here, J2, is that people like you are using their politics to decide whether something is or isn’t wrong. This only leads to you being inconsistent, which is why you find yourself having to resort to deflection, screaming ridiculous things like racist, nazi, fascist etc…, and blaming the other side for that which you yourself are guilty of.

Oh, and I too hope that I am right. Sooner or later Americans are going to grow tired of the leftist BS and decide it’s time to fight back.

Posted by: kctim at February 6, 2018 10:52 AM
Comment #424108

And we know businessmen and the Russian government do wrong as well Weary why not scrutinize Trump/Putin and their campaign team?

Kctim. letting this investigation run it’s course isn’t wrong. Using his power as president and the abuse of power by those repubs on the intelligence committee as they attempt to hinder the investigation is wrong.

Lets remember it is the right wing that has politicized this investigation. All these phony conspiracy theories have blown up in their faces. Yet Trump persists, But he won’t settle the issue by testifying in font of Mueller. So the investigation continues on.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 6, 2018 1:27 PM
Comment #424109

That is one of the most convoluted answers I have read in a long time, j2t2. Why not scrutinize Trump/Putin? What has Mueller been doing for a year and a half if not scrutinizing Trump/Putin? Is the problem you’re having not finding anything for a year and a half? Is that what’s confusing you?

What’s Trump supposed to do, go to Mueller and ask him to listen to him? Mueller isn’t investigating Trump, is he? Why would you expect Trump to just walk in and sit down in the witness chair?

Trump is treason! Trump is abusing his power! Trump is politicizing the investigation! Trump won’t testify, he must be guilty! Please testify so we can put words in your mouth!

I’ll bet you your next tofu burger if Trump testifies he won’t lie to a grand jury like your god did.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 6, 2018 2:56 PM
Comment #424110

J2,
Your blind support for a partisan motivated investigation in supposed collusion, and your partisan motivated disregard for supposed FISA abuses, is exactly the inconsistency that I am talking about.

“Lets remember it is the right wing that has politicized this investigation.”

From the very beginning, this supposed Russian collusion thing has been based entirely on politics. Trump doesn’t support leftist policy so he and everyone that agree’s with him, must be destroyed.

“as they attempt to hinder the investigation is wrong”

Yeah, let me know when they start blatantly lying to the American people, destroying evidence, and receiving special treatment for doing so.

Posted by: kctim at February 6, 2018 3:25 PM
Comment #424111
Is the problem you’re having not finding anything for a year and a half? Is that what’s confusing you?

Speaking of confused Mueller started the investigation in May of 2017 which by my calculations is closer to a half a year than a year and a half Weary.

You must know how long these things take Weary look at how long the 7 Benghazi investigations took, several years.

I’ll bet you your next tofu burger if Trump testifies he won’t lie to a grand jury like your god did.

Wow…..Trump won’t lie! I’ll take that bet any day. The man wouldn’t be able to go a day without uttering a lie. I’ll even raise you some cheese on that tofu burger Weary. Oh…never mind… that is like taking candy from a baby.

BTW I thought those of us on the left were all atheist, which would mean we don’t have a god…right?

From the very beginning, this supposed Russian collusion thing has been based entirely on politics.

Of course it has kctim, just not in the sense you mean it. After all it was the theft of emails from the DNC that got the FBI looking.

Trump doesn’t support leftist policy so he and everyone that agree’s with him, must be destroyed.

Nice smokescreen kctim, to bad it’s devoid of fact. But then that is nothing new is it. If anyone it is you conservatives that should know about political witch hunts, (Benghazi). The only one injecting politics into the investigation is you and the other Trump appeasers.

But this isn’t a witch hunt. The Dept of Homeland Security confirmed the Russians were involved in the theft of the emails. Then the Russians were using fake news, the fake news that is fake not the fake news that conservatives think means CNN, to undermine the Clinton campaign. As they investigated it seems Trump Jr and others on the Trump campaign staff were meeting with Russians!

So yes politics are involved the dirty cheating kind of politics that allowed Russia sanctions to not be implemented because… Trump. The kind of politics conservatives tell us is ok, fake news and Russian government interference in our elections.

…which is why you find yourself having to resort to deflection, screaming ridiculous things like racist, nazi, fascist etc…,

You sound like a broken record kctim. I sim[ply ask that you guys wise up and see what you are doing to the country. I don’t think you are going to dress up like Naxis and run out and set fire to the capital so you can outlaw the dems, as much as you would like to. I think you guys are being led down a road that the country should be going down. Like the people of Germany in the late 20’s and early 30’s were misled. It may not be fascism it may be oligarchy that is the problem but never the less you guys are helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.

But hey you tell me what you think-
“the difference between oligarchy and fascism is that oligarchy is a government run by only a few, often the wealthy while fascism is a political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights “
is it oligarchy you guys are accepting or is it fascism?


Posted by: j2t2 at February 6, 2018 7:09 PM
Comment #424112

j2t2, when I see the Library of Congress go up in flames I might give your name calling and denigration some thought. Until then, let me point out that you are speculating. You’re assuming that since Trump created a soaring economy and made the citizens proud of themselves that he will also burn our heritage, kill millions of people, and embroil the world in war. I’m here to let you know it’s not the certainty you claim it to be. There’s no reason, so far, to pull the plug like you say. It might be possible we could have a good economy without all the doom and gloom. Keep vigilant though, j2t2. Grab your camera if you see the buildings burning. It will be the only way I’m going to consider what you say.


Posted by: Weary Willie at February 6, 2018 7:54 PM
Comment #424117
j2t2 wrote: It may not be fascism it may be oligarchy that is the problem but never the less you guys are helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.
HHMMmmmm … How?

What is “something ? NAZIs , Racists, Facists ?

Who is you guys?

It is supposedly a free country.
So, how is anyone trying to turn you into something you don’t want to be?
When people debate issues and disagree, how does that equate to what you wrote (i.e. “helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.”)?

Regarding Mueller’s investigation: How long should Mueller’s investigation continue? Mueller obviously doesn’t appear to have any evidence yet to support the Russia/Collusion conspiracy theories. IF Mueller drags it on for years and finds nothing, it is going to look bad for Mueller and democrats (not to mention a huge waste of time and money).

On another subject: Is Chuck Schumer and democrats going to filibuster again over the budget, and shut down the government again, and then try to blame it on Trump and republicans again?

Posted by: d.a.n at February 7, 2018 12:15 AM
Comment #424125

j2

“The problem here is you guys , you do realize. You have been duped into believing the DOJ and the FBI are doing something wrong.”

Nope just upper management. Their partisan, and illegal actions don’t represent the majority of rank and file who are just doing their jobs. Rosenstien needs to be fired.

Posted by: dbs at February 7, 2018 6:29 AM
Comment #424129

Sorry J2, but it is exactly in the sense that I mean. You leftists have already proven that lying to the American public, hindering investigations, national security, classified information etc…, all come second to your party and policy.
You leftists proved it when you dismissed Hillary’s wrongdoing, you proved it when you defended her wrongdoing, and you proved it when you ignored her wrongdoing and elected her to represent you in the national election.

“Nice smokescreen kctim, to bad it’s devoid of fact.”

You might have a point IF the investigation was concluded and you were proven right, but that is not the case. From day one, leftists have been screaming collusion, traitor, nazi etc… as if if were fact. Not because you have proof of any of that, but because of your hate for anything not leftist.

“The only one injecting politics into the investigation is you and the other Trump appeasers.”

Thanks for yet another glaring example of you putting your personal politics before facts and country.
I am waiting for actual facts before casting judgement. Waiting for actual facts is NOT “injecting politics” into anything. Leftists however, are demanding that people accept their politically based opinions as fact. They are in the streets, on almost every television channel, and on the floors of our government 24/7 trying to influence the investigation and everything else.

“I sim[ply ask that you guys wise up and see what you are doing to the country.”

The only thing being done to the country is the undoing of some progressive policies, J2. That is what Trump and Republicans were elected to do.

“It may not be fascism it may be oligarchy that is the problem but never the less you guys are helping to turn us into something we don’t want to be.”

FFS J2, you guys act like we were a fascist nation before Obama and his far-left policies saved us. Give me a break.
The fact is, unconstitutional anti American far-left progressive policy was something we didn’t want to be governed by and the American people elected Republicans and Trump to slow it down.

“But hey you tell me what you think-“

I think you are living in a fantasy world where reality has been clouded by your own personal and political desires.

The biggest obstacle to you getting the leftist policies you desire, is the rejection of the large centralized government, dictatorial power and subservience to the state that they require, by those on the right.
In case you have forgotten, you leftists constantly mock those on the right for their support of low taxation, small government and, individualism.

The right isn’t ‘accepting’ oligarchy or fascism, J2.
Leftist policy requires oppressive taxation in order to be possible, and a small group of people ‘who know what’s in everybody’s best interest,’ to have the control to collect and disperse those taxes as they see best.
Leftist policy requires infringing on individual rights for what they believe to be for the betterment of society. In order to achieve that goal, it requires a ‘government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.’

Leftists are guilty of that which they blame others for, J2. Your willingness to falsely associate our Constitutional Republic with fascism in order to get the leftist government you desire, is extremely divisive and downright despicable.

Posted by: kctim at February 7, 2018 10:49 AM
Comment #424138
when I see the Library of Congress go up in flames I might give your name calling and denigration some thought.

I doubt it Weary, I think you will put on your brown shirt and start beating on illegal immigrants.

So, how is anyone trying to turn you into something you don’t want to be?

D.A.N I’m giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt and assuming they prefer a representative democracy instead of an oligarchy or a dictatorship.

Their partisan, and illegal actions don’t represent the majority of rank and file who are just doing their jobs.

dbs you do realize these guys are repubs. The conspiracy is on your mind and doesn’t really exist.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 7, 2018 11:00 PM
Comment #424141

Why don’t you make up your friken mind, j2t2! Quit wasting our time with your contradictions.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 7, 2018 11:39 PM
Comment #424152

I know you guys think it can’t happen here but it’s closer than you think. Your far right ideology is exactly that far right. You defend anything and everything Trump like good little conservatives , you tell me it’s conservatism not fascism or oligarchy. Just like the good people in Germany, of the ‘20’s and 30’s, who thought it was in the best interests of their country you are wrong.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2018 11:23 AM
Comment #424153

I wondered how long it would take the left to hold this guy up as what’s wrong with the Republicans.

He’s simply a crackpot who claims he is a Republican. No one in the Republican party supports this guy. That’s why he’s running unopposed in a massively dominated Democratic stronghold in IllNoise.

I know you don’t read the stories you link to, j2t2, but it would be wise for you to notice he belongs to the American Nazi Party. He only calls himself a Republican and if he had a Republican opponent he wouldn’t even be noticed.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 8, 2018 12:02 PM
Comment #424154
Leftists are guilty of that which they blame others for, J2. Your willingness to falsely associate our Constitutional Republic with fascism in order to get the leftist government you desire, is extremely divisive and downright despicable.

I know you would like to believe this kctim, but it doesn’t mean you are right. Trump and teabaggers in Congress are a “political expression of our lowest human instincts” because you cannot accept “inconvenient truths”.

Take a few minutes, all you Trump followers and see if this link doesn’t describe you and the people you defend to a tee. You will know it’s true when you try to tell me nonsense like “Leftists are guilty of that which they blame others”.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2018 12:05 PM
Comment #424155
He’s simply a crackpot who claims he is a Republican.

Same could be sad of Trump Weary. The guy didn’t run on the American Nazi Party ticket but on the repub ticket. Just a fact Weary, but speaking about not reading the link here is what you missed

“For the past 15-20 years I have not had anything to do with any National Socialist organization on a formal basis. I don’t call myself a Nazi. I call myself and American patriot and statesman,”

But the real issue here is your refusal to accept an inconvenient truth. When you refuse to accept an inconvenient truth you perpetuate the ongoing slid of conservatives into the abyss of oligarchy/fascism Weary, wake up and wise up my friend.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2018 12:56 PM
Comment #424156

J2, it doesn’t matter what I believe, I am right simply because it is fact.

It is a fact that leftist policy requires a strong centralized government, ran by a small group of people, in order to exist.
It is a fact that you are blaming others of wanting such a government.

It is a fact that leftist policy requires a strong centralized government with the control to mandate and enforce their policies onto the people.
It is a fact that you are blaming others of wanting government to have such control and power.

It is a fact that leftist policy favors the ‘needs’ of society over the rights of the individual.
It is a fact that you are blaming others of violating individual rights.

Your claims of fascism are ridiculous, J2. IF there were any truth to them, you would be able to defend them with facts, instead of silly links to partisan opinions that agree with you.

“Your far right ideology is exactly that far right”

Republicans are no further right than they have been in the past. The ONLY reason you claim they are far right today, is because their positions aren’t in line with the ‘progressive’ talking points you have been fed.

Posted by: kctim at February 8, 2018 1:09 PM
Comment #424157

Why do intellectuals like Rob Riemen and j2t2 never examine the past in the way they are examining the future? They are very selective in the use of their “facts”.

If we could look into the past without the prism of partisanship we could see the parallels of what Riemen is saying and our own history in early 1900’s and what the amendments at that time did to our constitution. It was also a time when the constitution became a “living” document.

Less than a score of years passed and the Great Depression spurred major changes in our federal government. A depression that was never supposed to happen, as per the Federal Reserve Act. Major changes were made that allowed the federal government to use force on the individual to benefit others.

Again, less than decade passes and the world is embroiled in the largest war history has ever known. The U.S., drunk with being the only functioning economy fueled by a planet in ruins, goes on a spending spree using the tools established during the early years of the 20th century.

The largest government in our history wasn’t created in 2016. It’s been in the process of forming since Progressive-ism reared it’s ugly head in the late 19th century. It’s bloat has increased along with the bloat of it’s dependents and went into overdrive after the assassination of J. F. Kennedy.

No. The Tea Party and Trump are not the bearers of some catastrophe that looms in our future. The Tea Party and Trump are catastrophes that loom in the minds of Riemen and j2t2. Both would benefit greatly if they were to look into the past instead of preaching about what they believe will happen in the future. The fascism they speak of started many years ago and has been resisted by the American People many times. Trump and the Tea Party are the responses of the already long established fascism embedded in our government. It is the reaction to the Invisible Government Riemen speaks of. Reimen and j2t2 ignore the lies, the hubris, the narcissism of the left while using the existence of these factors as their argument to condemn the right.

I think Reimen and j2t2 are trying to Gruber us. They think we know nothing of history and human nature. They still think the media is maintaining a vision of the Progressive movement being as clean and pure as the wind driven snow. It is no wonder 2016 hit them like a truck.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 8, 2018 1:10 PM
Comment #424162

Weary,

Thanks but I am hardly an intellectual. It seems you have come up with a major league red herring in response to my previous comments. I commend you on the writing though, good job defending conservatives.

They are very selective in the use of their “facts”.

Facts have their place Weary, no sense in spouting off facts about baseball when the subject isn’t about baseball…right?

You go all the way back to the progressive era in America which coincidentally was when fascism started in Europe. All of this is nice but completely wrong. However like Reimen pointed out in the link Weary you have proved conservatives do not know our history anymore. They have been fed the Beck version of history.

You would have us believe fascism has been embedded in our government for years. Which of course isn’t the case. As Reimen pointed out it is the dark side of any democracy. You see a big government so you think it is fascism at work. But then the inconvenient truth is fascism is a right wing political ideology. You don’t seem to be able to wrap your head around this truth. But once again as Reimen said it is embarrassing to admit one could be on the side of fascism.

You tell us “The Tea Party and Trump are not the bearers of some catastrophe that looms in our future”. Yet they spread the bad side of democracy, greed fear, resentment and hatred. It was a conservative politically motivated SCOTUS that gave us the citizens united decision that opened the flood gates of greed and corruption in our elections.
If you stop to think about it Weary it was the conservatives in the state legislatures that did the extreme gerrymandering in 2010, who enacted voter suppression laws in many states using the Koch Bros ALEC written laws to do so. It is conservatives who find nothing wrong with Russia interfering in our elections!

Reimen also told us Fascism is difficult to identify and it is Weary. You guys have been telling me for years now how foolish I was for comparing you guys to the people of Germany in the ‘20’s and 30’s. You guys used everything to convince me I was wrong, we don’t have Brownshirts, or Hitler liked the occult and other such nonsense. You don’t recognize it because it is not only an inconvenient truth but because it is Trumpism, or rather the conservatives own version of fascism.

Trumpism isn’t fascism you will say, but then I ask you this Weary, what did Reimen say that would make us think of Trump?

He came forward in a time of crisis, at least according to Trump it was a time of crisis.

Trump ran as an anti-political leader.

Trump is the only one that can fix the problem,

Trump is the only one that can “Make America Great Again”.

Trump is self obsessed. It is all about him, all the time him.

Trump demands complete loyalty to him not the country but to him.

Trump is a pathological lair.

Trump always has a scapegoat ready. Now it is the stockmarket that is against him.

You mentioned the invisible government as did Reimen. He was referring top propagandist which as we have seen over the past few years conservatives are masters at. Your reaction to this invisible government is to believe everything these propagandists tell you Weary.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2018 6:51 PM
Comment #424164

Like I said, our bloated government wasn’t created in 2016. You’re going to have to realize that, j2t2. It doesn’t shake out, your theory that Trump is the start of a fascist government.

Remember this, FDR and his New Deal was born out of crisis. The Federal Reserve Act was reborn out of crisis. LBJ was buying Black people’s votes with tax dollars and his Great Society that was born out of a manufactured crisis called poverty. We can go on and on about crisis/response that has created government program after government program. All of that came about before Trump was elected president. You can’t blow smoke about how, all of the sudden, Trump brought fascism into our government. It’s been in our government for an entire century.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 8, 2018 7:19 PM
Comment #424165

I was always wondering what crisis we had in our health care system that demanded government remake it in it’s entirety. I think it’s simply an expansion of the Great Society that was born out of the poverty faux crisis that was manufactured by Progressives when they began calling healthcare a right.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 8, 2018 7:41 PM
Comment #424167

Weary, it seems you need to have a better understanding of what Fascism is about. In the mean time think about inconvenient truth and how you are not dealing with it very well..

Posted by: j2t2 at February 8, 2018 7:58 PM
Comment #424169

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/19/1584530/-A-Brief-History-of-Fascism-in-the-United-States

A Brief History of Fascism in the United States

I hope you will take the time to read this article in it’s entirety.


Posted by: Weary Willie at February 8, 2018 9:40 PM
Comment #424203

Weary aren’t you preaching to the choir? I guess you are thinking this guy supports your “fascism started in the progressive era” theory but I don’t read it that way.

If that is where we are at make you case please.

BTW, is it a sign of desperation when you use Daily Kos as a source?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 9, 2018 10:31 PM
Comment #424204

I actually thought Daily Kos would appeal to you. My bad.

Did you read it?

I think not, because you didn’t mention the party affiliation. If you read the article I am sure you wouldn’t ignore Dulles being a Republican.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 9, 2018 10:40 PM
Comment #424212

Most of the post was about repubs Weary nor the progressive movement of the early 1900’s. But come on man I know you better than that what card ya got up your sleeve, play it.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 10, 2018 12:14 AM
Comment #424227

It doesn’t matter what party is what, or what you call the mindset. Roy Ellis calls it the oligarchy. You call it fascism. Others call it Communism or Socialism. What ever term you wish to use it all boils down to dictating what some expect of the rest.

I recently read an article in my local newspaper about a small group of people appointed to dictate what people can and can’t do with their property. Our city has an ordinance called The Abandoned Vehicle Ordinance. It was passed using a concern about children’s safety (of course) and was to deal with automobiles that have been rusting in overgrown lots for years. This article described this small group of people attempting to enforce this ordinance onto a person who has 2 unlicensed vehicles on his property. Because they have no valid license plates they are considered abandoned, yet they are not abandoned. They sit in the corner of a manicured lawn and are in proper working condition. The problem this small group of people have manufactured is the automobiles are race cars that compete on a track. There is no need for them to be licensed. They are used for a specific purpose and are not used on a continuous basis, but the small group of people simply can’t abide anyone else having property these people deem unacceptable.

The article describes the dilemma this small group of people are having with these race cars. They sit in their small group meeting to discuss changing the law, or some other way they can justify bringing the property owner to heel. You see, the law wasn’t written to include or exclude race cars and they can’t legally tell this person what to do with them. By the letter of the ordinance they fit the category they’ve manufactured. They are unlicensed vehicles in plain sight of anyone who drives down the alley. I can see them out my back door. I don’t turn grey because they are there. I don’t care. But the busy bodies who have been appointed by other busy bodies are racking their brains trying to force this person to do what they want with his own property on his own property.

No one is calling this behavior fascist, or socialist, or communist, or oligarchical, but it is a form of dictatorship. It’s a small group of people demanding something of others because they object. It doesn’t concern them in the least yet they determine the course of action and force others to obey simply because they have deemed it so.

Expand this mindset to the federal level and you have a dictatorship of a small group of people determining what others must do, but at a level that affects millions of people. Then those same people pick and choose what laws affect what people, some are affected, other are not, some suffer, some profit. It’s not equality under the law. It’s not a Democratic Republic when a small group of people say “We have to pass it to see what’s in it!”.

When a small group of people pass laws to “show” they’re doing something, when these people “have to do something” yet have know idea what they are doing or how it affects people, when they pass laws to make themselves feel important, it may not be fascism or socialism or communism or an oligarchy, so for lack of a better word I will simply call it irresponsible, and both parties are guilty.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 10, 2018 4:18 PM
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