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​How Obama Avoided Possible Obstruction of Justice

If, as President of the United States, you want to influence the FBI, you don’t ask the rest of your advisors to leave the room in the White House so you can have a one-to-one chat with the Director. That is so naive and leaves you vulnerable to note-taking, limousine-riding FBI Directors. And anyone else nearby who might later leak details. No, that’s not what you do. Here’s what you do if you want to signal to the FBI the outcome you’re looking for.

You give an interview on Fox News Sunday.

In early April, 2016. Which is exactly what President Obama did, back then. The issue at the time was the Hillary email and private server scandal - the important part of that scandal was that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a private email account to conduct government business, including some very important as well as classified business; the lesser though still significant part is that in addition she used a home brew server. And for the past year or so, the White House had been trying to clean up the mess which had been revealed by the NYTimes back in early March of 2015. And they were doing so in careful coordination - you could almost say collusion - with Hillary's campaign team, many of whom overlapped with the Obama administration, like John Podesta in particular.

So in that Fox interview, here's what President Obama said:

She would never intentionally put America in any kind of jeopardy. What I also know is that there's classified and there's classified. There's stuff that is really top secret top secret, and then there's stuff that is being presented to the president, the secretary of state, that you may not want going out over the wire.

Interesting that he chose both the president and the secretary of state in his theoretical on how there's different levels of classified. That's because thanks to hacks and leaks, we have long since learned that President Obama himself emailed Secretary Clinton at her private account around 20 times using an alias. In other words - as Andrew McCarthy has methodically demonstrated - there was no way that Hillary was going to be prosecuted because, more than undermining her campaign as the curator for the Obama legacy (who knows if she indeed would have been such a curator?), any prosecution would have had to uncover and use the President's emails to the Secretary of State's private account, all as part of the evidence, and that would have put Obama's own actions under the spotlight.

So President Obama gave an interview to Fox news, and added as good measure these words:

I continue to believe she has not jeopardized America's national security. There's a carelessness in terms of managing emails that she has owned and that she recognizes. But I also think it is important to keep this in perspective.

What was that edit to Comey's prepared remarks on his decision not to prosecute Clinton, done in late June or early July of 2016? Ah yes ... change grossly negligent to extremely careless. Perhaps Strzok actually helped rewrite the remarks. But there was another key change to the remarks, again as Andrew McCarthy has pointed out. An early draft of Comey's remarks used the following sentences:

She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including from the territory of sophisticated adversaries. That use included an email exchange with the President while Secretary Clinton was on the territory of such an adversary.

They then replaced the President with another senior government official.

And by the time Comey delivered his remarks on July 5, 2016, this is what Comey actually said in the relevant part of his prepared remarks:

She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries.

All references to any email exchanges between Obama and Hillary have been removed. Even the oblique ones. This is how you get your will done as President of the United States. Now we're talking about the final months of a two-term president who had by then accumulated more internal or bureaucratic power than what he had when he was sworn in in January of 2009. But the extent to which Comey went to accommodate the requests that Obama had signaled on national television are still rather remarkable. Hillary Clinton had been interviewed a mere 3 days before, when the outcome had long been decided.

And done in such a public way - the signaling that is - that it seems to have avoided any obstruction of justice charges that could (but likely never will) be brought to bear. That, unfortunately Mr. President, is how you get a deal done in Washington.

Posted by AllardK at January 25, 2018 5:49 PM
Comments
Comment #423694

Who give a f**k Obama is gone, Clinton is gone. Trump is here and it is in part due to Russian 8interference in the election. All the smokescreens these swamp drainers have thrown up have have all came crashing down to earth. All the lies have been debunked, well the 2100 most recent lies of Trumps anyways.

All this diversion instead of dealing with the problem yet some still believe Trump is draining he swamp. But then they are holding a flat earth society international conference as well.


Personally I think it is absolutely amazing that anyone would still believe the swamp is draining but it seems there are some who do. In the link is firing the photographer the same a draining the swamp?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/18/578791199/photographer-says-he-lost-his-job-after-leaking-pictures-of-rick-perry-and-coal

Posted by: j2t2 at January 25, 2018 6:05 PM
Comment #423695

Congrats to j2t2 for missing the action on the swamp; and everything else Trumpian.

Shhhh…please don’t spoil his fantasy. We need him in denial.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 25, 2018 6:19 PM
Comment #423707

The attempt to divert attention from the crooks and traitors in the White House is going very, very badly.

Unmasking by Nunes? Fail.

Uranium One? Fail.

50,000 lost texts? Fail. They found them.

Unreleased memo? Fail. The Assistant AG for Legislative Affairs and a guy who used to be a Sessions staffer called releasing them without review by the DOJ “extraordinarily reckless.” Nunes is refusing to let the FBI or GOP Senator Burr, head of the Senate Intelligence Community, see them, even after demanding the memos be released.

A secret society? Fail.

An informant attending meetings of the secret society? Fail.

Now we are supposed to be distracted by something about Obama and HRC’s e-mails?

You must be kidding. That is absolutely pathetic.

Meanwhile, an Obstruction of Justice charge looks more and more likely for Trump. People interviewed by the Mueller team report the questioners already knew the answers to most of the questions, and produced a lot of surprising hard evidence. Conspiracy to violate campaign election laws for Trump Jr., Manafort, and Kushner look likely. Trump Jr. also apparently lied during his testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee, so perjury should be in the mix too. The FBI will not even give Kushner a security clearance.

Rick Gates, Trump’s Deputy Campaign Manager and already under indictment on multiple counts, may cop a plea and become the third cooperating witness. Actually, that is not surprising. He has little kids. It’s doubtful he wants to go to jail for a long time for Donald Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at January 25, 2018 10:47 PM
Comment #423708

The FBI will not even give Kushner a security clearance. Posted by: phx8 at January 25, 2018 10:47 PM

He won’t quit talking to Wendi Deng Murdoch. Her ex Rupert claims she’s a Chinese spy. She’s also good friends with Ivanka. She also tried to get to Tony Blair, and later Putin, an odd sequence of relationships. Ivanka and Wendi vacationed together in Dubrovnik, had the use of a yacht belonging to one of the russian oligarchs, and met another oligarch there.

Jared kept meeting privately with Cnina’s ambassador, Cui Tiankai, who regards him as an asset of theirs, until our side made him stop doing that.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 25, 2018 11:36 PM
Comment #423709

“Jared kept meeting privately with Cnina’s ambassador, Cui Tiankai, who regards him as an asset of theirs, until our side made him stop doing that.”

Yeah, well, Kushner needed the money. The oldest excuse in the book. That’s how people get compromised. Open the door to a little treason and a lot of treason comes in. That is how Donald Trump went from a guy so broke no American bank would even lend him money, to a billionaire with mysterious clients who pay cash for real estate.

Interesting theory- McGann released today’s news about Trump considering firing Mueller last summer. The theory is that Trump is considering it again, and McGann leaked the story to stop him.

Posted by: phx8 at January 25, 2018 11:46 PM
Comment #423710

I think you mean McCabe, not McGann, Eileen McGann is married to Dick Morris. Andrew McCabe replaced Comey until Wray came in. Dumpty asked him who he voted for in 2016, since his wife is a Democrat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcXuJm6J-Y

Posted by: ohrealy at January 26, 2018 12:06 AM
Comment #423711

Meanwhile, a remarkable number of Republican Congressmen are retiring. They are in a big hurry to cash in on the tax cut bill, the biggest smash-and-grab in American history. The big donors and corporations demanded it, the GOP robbed the treasury, and now sweet lobbying jobs await.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2018 12:07 AM
Comment #423712

No, it was McGann who might have leaked the story to the NYT about Trump wanting to fire Mueller last summer.

Married to Dick Morris? He was the guy who liked to s*ck on prostitute toes. And someone married him? Must have been an interesting courtship.

Maybe I should send Melania a gift subscription to Forbes Magazine, just to keep things interesting in the White House. Tell the postman to deliver it rolled up. You know. Cause it’s not exactly for reading.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2018 12:50 AM
Comment #423721

Kerry should be prosecuted

https://www.redstate.com/diary/Bonchie/2018/01/24/john-kerry-just-violated-logan-act…media-shockingly-silent/

Posted by: dbs at January 26, 2018 7:32 AM
Comment #423722

Okay, you’re taking about WH counsel Don McGahn? He must be mad because he didn’t get to meet with Stormy D instead of Cohen.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 26, 2018 8:11 AM
Comment #423724

This should be fun. Trump, Conway, Dowd, and Sanders are all on record lying about whether Trump was going to fire Mueller last summer. Trump actually gave the order, but McGann refused. A friend of Trump actually said it was happening- Ruddy was clear about this- and the administration denied his televised claim.

Conway on 8/6/17:

“The president has not even discussed that. The president is not discussing firing Bob Muller.”

And in one of the great moments in television, Hannity denied the story while live, calling it “fake news.” At the end of the broadcast he confirmed it, and ended the show with footage of a car crash. Truly a classic.

This morning Trump said: ““Fake news. Fake news. Typical New York Times. Fake stories.”

So we have abundant evidence of consciousness of guilt for an Obstruction of Justice charge. Will Trump play for time and then ride out a charge, hoping the GOP House and Senate will not go through with an impeachment? Or will Trump fire Mueller and set off a Constitutional crisis?

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2018 9:25 AM
Comment #423725

Please tell us phx8 how thinking and talking about firing someone but NOT actually doing it is obstructing justice? Your conspiracy theories are bordering on Syfy.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at January 26, 2018 10:21 AM
Comment #423726

The next big story by the NYT will be about which way Trump likes toilet paper roll put on the holder.

Posted by: dbs at January 26, 2018 10:27 AM
Comment #423727

dbs,
Nice job, linking a Red State blog to an obscure blogger, Alpha Pundit, who claims Kerry violated the Logan Act by talking to a Palestinian official, and that Kerry will run for President in 2020. Uh huh. Better get Hannity on it.

KAP,
To be clear, Trump did not just think or talk about firing Mueller. He gave the order to do it. McGann refused, and threatened to resign.

Trump denied doing it.

That constitutes Obstruction because it shows consciousness of guilt. If this happened without other context, it might not matter; however, this happened two months after firing the FBI Director for investigating possible connections between Trump, the Trump Campaign, and the Russians, and a lot of other examples. It happens against a background of lies. A LOT of lies. We progressed from denials of any contacts, to denials of meetings, to denial of collusion (the legal issue is conspiracy to violate campaign election laws). In fact, there were dozens of contacts, phone calls, e-mails, and meetings. Trump and his people knew what they were doing was wrong. It was a crime and they tried to hide it, only admitting to the contacts, phone calls, e-mails, and meetings when forced to do it.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2018 10:52 AM
Comment #423728

phx8, Mueller is still on the job. Your comments are no more then SYFY. Get out of the grocery store tabloids. There was no obstruction. If there was it would be all over the Media by now, over a year of investigations and the only thing that has come out of it is Flynn lied, and the other 2 had a problem 10 years ago that had NOTHING to do with Russian BS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2018 11:11 AM
Comment #423729

Thinking of doing something now according to you is obstruction? phx8 your in the Twilight Zone.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2018 11:14 AM
Comment #423732

phx8 As far as lies “Welcome to the world of politics”

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2018 12:00 PM
Comment #423733

Phx8

If he met with, and told the Palestinians to resist Trump’s policy. He violated the act. He is officially nothing but a private citizen. On top of that, he’s a narcissistic moron.

Posted by: dbs at January 26, 2018 12:12 PM
Comment #423734
j2t2 wrote: Who give a f**k Obama is gone, Clinton is gone. Trump is here and it is in part due to Russian 8interference in the election.
While Russia interferes in lots of other nations’ elections (as the U.S. also has done), I don’t see any evidence that Trump’s election was “in part due to Russion interference” (despite MSNBC’s and other liberal MSM news stations making that claim). Illegal aliens voted in the last election, but I don’t see any evidence yet that there was enough to affect the final outcome of the election. The fact is, Hillary was a very bad candidate … so, so bad, that she lost to Trump. Think about it: How bad do you have to be to get beat by Trump?

Hillary did break the law, despite Comey saying otherwise. Intent is not the issue. The issue is that it happened and she did it.
Hillary broke the law, and that is fact. “Grossly Negligent” and “Extremely Careless” are the same thing, but it is sort of interesting how the wording was cleverly changed or selected, eh?
Only because Comey did not bring any charges does not mean laws were not violated by Hillary.

j2t2 wrote: All this diversion instead of dealing with the problem yet some still believe Trump is draining he swamp. But then they are holding a flat earth society international conference as well.
Comey was fired (as he probably should have been). Also, Hillary, Huma Abedin, Loretta Lynch, Lois Lerner, etc. are all gone (of course, by way of an election too). That’s a good start (in my opinion). It looks like Loretta Lynch knew the fix was already in for Hillary when she met with Bill Clinton slightly before Comey said there would be no charges against Hillary (despite her actually breaking the law). Despite all that, it is hard to fathom is how Bernie Sanders still supported Hillary, despite being cheated by the fix in favor of Hillary. Guess party loyalty trumps everything else, eh?
phx8 wrote: Unmasking Nunes? Fail … Fail … Fail … Fail … Fail … Fail … etc.
That’s pretty good. You’re right about most of that. It does not prove whether any or all of it is true, or not true. But I have to agree that all of these numerous conspiracy theories (all part of wallowing in the circular partisan warfare) is pointless without evidence to prove laws were violated. Equally pathetic is that few (if anyone) are ever held accountable (even when adequate evidence exits, as was the case for Hillary, who did break the law by sending top secret emails on her unsecured email server; something that Comey cooroborated).

Even NIXON, who was guilty of participating in burglarizing and bugging the DNC merely resigned with pension.
Clinton lied, and was impeached, and he lost his license to practice law, but that all.
Hillary broke the law, but she got away with it (because “Grossly Negligent” does not equal “Extremely Careless” ?!?).
Many in BOTH parties in the SWAMP are probably guilty of crimes and other sleezy nefarious deeds.
There’s a lot of back-and-forth here about conspiracy theories, bad deeds, etc.
But that is pointless since there is so much corruption on B O T H sides; in B O T H parties.
B O T H sides can go on and on F O R E V E R by finding and accusing the OTHER party of bad deeds, because B O T H have engaged in so many bad deeds.
The right is guilty of EXTREME #1 (below).
The left is guilty of EXTREME #2 (below).
Unfortunately, too many repugnincans and dempcraps love THEIR PARTY, and hate the OTHER party, more than they care about their country.

As a result, the OUT-PARTY always trashes the achievements of the IN-PARTY.
As a result, the OUT-PARTY always obstructs (even good goals) the goals of the the IN-PARTY.
As a result, too many people (and we are probably all guilty of it) engage in the circular, hateful, destructive partisan warfare.

One other thing to consider … do you ever feel like you are being used; being duped ?
Do you ever feel like your are being duped into cheer-leading for YOUR party, and trashing the OTHER party?
Perhaps only master-parasites can dupe so many people into engaging in the circular partisan warfare?
It seems lile a powerful drug.
As a result, too many people take it too far; so far that they come to belong to one of these two extremes:

  • E X T R E M E #1: One extreme wants regressive taxation, unfettered capitalism, little (if any) government regulations, use wealth to influence government that is FOR-SALE; and wants the freedom to explore and wallow in almost every manifestation of unchecked greed.

  • E X T R E M E #2: The other extreme wants a nanny-state to take care of them from cradle-to-grave; who believe the solution to problems is more government; where citizens become increasingly dependent on the government; with massive cradle-to-grave government programs which are usually severely mismanaged and wasteful; a nanny-state that nurtures a sense-of-entitlement and dependency on government; who attempt to disguise their envy and jealousy as demands for equality; wants to grow government ever larger (despite the already current nightmare proportions); rewards failure and laziness; vilifies success; plays the race card at every chance; despicably attempts to change the electorate via promises of amnesty and citizenship for illegal immigrants; and perpetuates the myth that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else.

At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, … , at least, possibly, until rewarding corrupt incumbent politicians with perpetual re-election finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 26, 2018 12:24 PM
Comment #423735
Yeah, well, Kushner needed the money. The oldest excuse in the book. That’s how people get compromised. Open the door to a little treason and a lot of treason comes in. That is how Donald -rump went from a guy so broke no American bank would even lend him money, to a billionaire with mysterious clients who pay cash for real estate. Posted by: phx8 at January 25, 2018 11:46 PM

After the election, China feared that russian influence would predominate in the WH, so they did what our allies are unwilling to do, bribe the crooks. Macron, May and Merkel are never going to be able to do that.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/29/jared-kushner-is-chinas-trump-card

Posted by: ohrealy at January 26, 2018 1:28 PM
Comment #423738

“The FBI will not even give Kushner a security clearance.”

So many lies and obfuscation phx8, it is difficult to address them all.

Please back up the quote above with a link to a factual source.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2018 4:28 PM
Comment #423741

“So we have abundant evidence of consciousness of guilt for an Obstruction of Justice charge.”

Our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist Pals never fail to amuse.

Please direct us to a link showing “consciousness of guilt” to be a crime.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2018 4:37 PM
Comment #423743

For a prosecutor to use the “Consciousness of guilt” to charge a person that person must first commit the crime for them to be able to use it. Since Trump didn’t fire Mueller that charge would fall flat. So phx8 and other liberals who would like to see that charge used better find out it’s meaning before they make fools of themselves.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2018 4:56 PM
Comment #423744

By the way that “Consciousness of Guilt” could be used, by liberal definition, on Pelosi, Schumer and other Democrats for wanting Comey fired during the Hillary investigation, that would constitute Obstruction of justice to.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2018 5:05 PM
Comment #423745

Rich, I guess “Consciousness of Guilt” could be compared to the definition of “transgender”.

You are what you think!!!

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2018 5:14 PM
Comment #423747

Yep it sure can Royal.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at January 26, 2018 5:37 PM
Comment #423749

Lots of wild speculation these days.
The Trump haters are hell bent on finding a way to get Trump impeached.
Hell, Tom Steyer is running ads to impeach Trump.
IF Trump has broken laws that justify impeachment, then he should be impeached.
However, I don’t see the evidence of that yet.
IF it existed, I’d think it would have been found by now.
Democraps seem desparate to find some dirt on Trump, while total ignoring all the good things that have been happening.
The OUT-PARTY is always blinded by partisan bias.
There is no doubt in my mind that some FBI employees are Trump haters, but that doesn’t mean there is proof of a secret society.
There is no doubt that every administration has an agenda that leans left or right (depending on which party has it’s current turn as the majority).

I didn’t like Trump and I didn’t vote for Trump, but I like the following results (so far):

  • Supreme court (Neil Gorsuch) and federal court appointments;
  • Lowering corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% (i.e. closer to the global average of about 20%), which is bringing some jobs back to the U.S.;
  • The push to secure the borders, and enforce existing immigration laws;
  • Tax cuts for most workers;
  • Highlighting the dishonesty of the Main Stream Media (mostly left leaning);
  • roll-back and restrictions on many unnecessary regulations;
  • improved security via travel bans from nations with terrorists;
  • rejecting the Trans-Pacific partnetship; working for FAIR TRADE;
  • roll-back on many of Obama’s effed up policies;
  • illegal immigration is down 67% !
  • the manufacturing index is up to a 33 year high;
  • the markets are up, because their is a new optimism, because of common-sense policies;
  • NATO announced Allied spending is up $10 Billion because of Donald Trump;
  • helped pass more legislation in less time than most presidents in U.S. history;
  • rebuilding the military;
  • working to cut funding from sanctuary cities and states;
  • and, the rapid decimation of I.S.I.S. ;

So, I am hoping for more progress.
I am hoping Trump hasn’t done something illegal.
IF he has, he should face the consequences.
But until there is proof of serious violations, the hatred and vitriol against Trump, despite all of the accomplishments above, looks like petty, circular partisan-warfare.

At any rate, the majority of voters have the government that they elect, and re-elect, and re-elect, … , at least, possibly, until rewarding corrupt incumbent politicians with perpetual re-election finally becomes too painful.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 26, 2018 6:45 PM
Comment #423750

I voted for the “blue collar billionaire” d.a.n and so far have not been disappointed in his accomplishments as you outlined.

Considered a Liberal/Progressive guru by many on the Left, Nobel prize winner in economics Paul Krugman, frequent writer in the New York Times, had this to say upon the election of Donald Trump.

“Now comes the mother of all adverse effects — and what it brings with it is a regime that will be ignorant of economic policy and hostile to any effort to make it work,” Krugman wrote. “So we are very probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight. I suppose we could get lucky somehow. But on economics, as on everything else, a terrible thing has just happened.”

That “terrible” thing that Krugman could not have gotten more wrong, is a world-wide economic resurgence after the Obama inspired feeling of depression about the future.

Obama wallowed in defeatism for the United States. He exported his jaundiced views about capital and labor exciting envy and hate rather than cooperation. He extolled the virtues of heavy-handed government regulation over private enterprise and individual economic freedom.

Krugman was joined in his hysterical economic folly by many well meaning government leaders around the world who predicted the end of mankind due to MMGW.

I praise President Trump as a man who values the rule of law and the Constitutional guidelines that have steered our nation into unparalleled world economic and social success. Americans have enjoyed a prosperity, freedom, and liberty never known before in the history of the world.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2018 7:13 PM
Comment #423755

Right. Trump is rough around the edges, but results are the bottom line.

Posted by: d.a.n at January 26, 2018 10:59 PM
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