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​Forget the Steele Dossier - Now It's All About Papadopoulos

Funny, but the Papadopoulos wine-bar schmooze was not worthy of a leak until this past week. And then suddenly it was.

Sources told the New York Times that Australian diplomat Alexander Downer listened to Trump campaign associate George Papadopoulos tell him that Russia had a great deal of Hillary Clinton emails that would prove greatly embarrassing to her. Presumably if they were leaked. The conversation between Papadopoulos and Downer apparently took place in a wine bar in London in May, 2016. When the hacked emails appeared on Wikileaks’ site, Downer dutifully contacted his counterparts in D.C. to let the Obama administration know about the conversation, which of course took place a month or two previous to the leaks which began on July 22, 2016.

The point seems to be that it was this conversation with High Commissioner Downer that triggered the FBI Russian counterintelligence investigation that very same month of July, 2016. And not the Steele Dossier. Although the sources - and/or the NYT themselves - equivocate a little by suggesting the wine-bar conversation was one of the events that triggered the FBI investigation.

In other words, as Mueller's team comes under increasing scrutiny and criticism from Congress, and as the Steele Dossier is revealed as mostly unsubstantiated or wrong, we have a new juicy bit of information thrown out to help protect the reputation of Mueller's investigation. And of the FBI and DOJ.

Now of course Papadopoulos is a cooperating witness for the FBI, and he has pleaded guilty in exchange for what will be any information the FBI decides is helpful to their investigation - it's what prosecutors and law enforecment do - so there may be more to this. But if that's the case, to quote Byron York's tweets:

If Papadopolous drove FBI probe, why wait till nearly Feb. 2017 to interview him? If done to keep probe quiet before election, why wait more than two months after vote?
When did officials brief Congress about Papadopoulos? They briefed Congress about Carter Page in late summer 2016.
Did officials seek a surveillance warrant on Papadopoulos? They reportedly got one on Carter Page in summer 2016. Did they try to get one on Papadopoulos? If not, why not?
One add: not saying Papadopoulos played on role. But questions about whether his part was so central in starting FBI probe in July 2016.
Those are very reasonable questions to ask. Because if Papadopoulos was not that important to the probe until they decided he was, then the Steele Dossier did in fact play a central role in originally launching the FBI probe in July 2016, and perhaps in driving FBI officials to seek FISA court authorizations to survey people like Carter Page, for example.

And that means that this latest leak to the NYT is an effort to distance the Mueller investigation from the Steele Dossier. Because let's not forget how central to the whole probe and the Russia Trump collusion narrative the Steele Dossier has been until that last month or two, as more and more doubts regarding its credibility have surfaced.

Not only is the Mueller probe moving further away from actual evidence of collusion, it's also denying what previously had supposedly been central to it's justifications for the probe itself. That is hardly reassuring.

Posted by AllardK at January 2, 2018 5:45 PM
Comments
Comment #422870

Thanks for the read Allard. Nothing times Nothing still equals…Nothing.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 2, 2018 6:33 PM
Comment #422871

Papadopoulos lied about that ‘nothing’ and found himself pleading guilty to a felony. Why did he lie about the timing? Because the timing was damning. The Trump campaign knew the Russians were in possession of ‘dirt’ on Hillary Clinton obtained through criminal means, yet no one- not one person- said anything to the FBI. We know from the e-mail chains the Trump campaign was ready, willing, and eager to use anything that foreign adversary could provide them. They ignored the law because… perhaps they thought the ends justified the means. Or maybe they just didn’t care.

They’ve been in a panic since it was revealed the FBI had obtained a trove of e-mails which the Trump Campaign thought they had concealed. Kushner and others only realized what happened when interviews included questions they were not supposed to know. The panic grew even worse when Deutsche Bank was subpoenaed for financial records. The Bank had already paid over a hefty fine for money laundering for the Russians. Now here come investigations into the Trump ties with Russian money laundering.

In any case, we’re dealing with a bunch of crooks and traitors in the White House. They are doing their best to undermine the free press, the DOJ, the FBI, and the Intelligence Community. A few Congressmen have gone along with the efforts to smear law enforcement, people like Nunes, Jordan, Biggs, Gohmert, Gaetz, and others. Their goal is to literally obstruct justice. Let’s hope they face jail time for it.

Posted by: phx8 at January 2, 2018 7:44 PM
Comment #422885

The owners of Fusion GPS just wrote an op-ed demanding their testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee be released. The GOP continues stonewalling. The testimony shows the Steele Dossier corroborated information the FBI already had on Russian penetration of the Trump Campaign.

Steve Bannon is coming out with a book. In it he calls the Trump Tower meeting between Trump Jr., Manafort, Kushner, and four Russians “treasonous.” And Bannon says Trump Jr. will be ‘cracked like an egg’ on national tv. With friends like that…

Trump is treason, and there are a bunch of crooks and traitors who will be doing hard time.

Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 9:39 AM
Comment #422886

phx8 is really afflicted with T. D. S. or he is spending to much time in the grocery store line reading the Tabloids.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 3, 2018 11:22 AM
Comment #422888
The owners of Fusion GPS just wrote an op-ed demanding their testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee be released. Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 9:39 AM

Grassley agreed to release that at a town hall meeting months ago, but nothing happened. Remember, Fusion GPS are former WSJ employees, IOW, all former employees of Rupert Murdoch, which is why the right wing Washington Free Beacon hired them in the first place to look into the DirT. The “people” of the DirT are bots who can be programmed to forget inconvenient facts and replace them with fakts.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 3, 2018 12:02 PM
Comment #422891

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html

Three congressional committees have heard over 21 hours of testimony from our firm, Fusion GPS. In those sessions, we toppled the far right’s conspiracy theories and explained how The Washington Free Beacon and the Clinton campaign — the Republican and Democratic funders of our Trump research — separately came to hire us in the first place. Republicans have refused to release full transcripts of our firm’s testimony, even as they selectively leak details to media outlets on the far right. It’s time to share what our company told investigators….We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. T——- and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress….we debunked the biggest canard being pushed by the president’s men — the notion that we somehow knew of the June 9, 2016, meeting in T—— Tower between some Russians and the T—— brain trust. We first learned of that meeting from news reports last year — and the committees know it. They also know that these Russians were unaware of the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s work for us and were not sources for his reports….Why did Mr. T—— repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?…effort by the Kremlin to help elect Mr. T—— president. Mr. Steele saw this as a crime in progress and decided he needed to report it to the F.B.I….After the election, Mr. Steele decided to share his intelligence with Senator John McCain via an emissary. We helped him do that. The goal was to alert the United States national security community to an attack on our country by a hostile foreign power…. The public still has much to learn about a man with the most troubling business past of any United States president. Congress should release transcripts of our firm’s testimony, so that the American people can learn the truth about our work and most important, what happened to our democracy.


Posted by: ohrealy at January 3, 2018 3:50 PM
Comment #422892

If you think today is bad, just wait until Trump & Trump Jr. and Kushner face criminal indictments for conspiracy to violate election campaign laws. Obstruction of Justice is coming down the line too, as well as money laundering charges.

From the NYT op-ed by Fusion GPS:

“We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.”

A lot of GOP defenders of Trump crossed the line into Obstruction of Justice. They turned their backs when the US election came under attack by a foreign power and sought to deflect, deny, delay, and attack investigators in order to preserve their own power.

Trump is treason. These crooks and traitors are going down.

Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 5:07 PM
Comment #422893

It is truly stunning what some of my Lefty Pals will believe if they read it in some Liberal Fake News Rag.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 3, 2018 5:29 PM
Comment #422894

Deputy AG Rosenstein is meeting right now with Speaker Ryan about the Russian probe. Rosenstein requested the meeting.

Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 5:37 PM
Comment #422895

Maybe this headline explains the meeting phx8.

Witness says Russia probe’s grand jury looks like ‘a Black Lives Matter rally’

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/01/03/witness-says-russia-probes-grand-jury-looks-like-a-black-lives-matter-rally/23322744/

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 3, 2018 5:48 PM
Comment #422896

The jurisdiction for the Grand Jury is in Washington, D.C. Just over half the population is black. The Grand Jury should have a majority of black members. As for Sanders supporters and hippies, I am not sure how the witness knew their political affiliation just by looking at them, but in any case, I see no reason why anyone would think that jury would be unfair.

Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 6:57 PM
Comment #422897

Sorry phx8, your “Fusion” spokesperson is a liar.

Chuck Grassley pushes Fusion GPS founders to testify in public

“Despite his public statements, Mr. Simpson and his attorney demanded during the interview that the transcript be kept confidential,” the statement said. “Mr. Simpson has refused to answer dozens of questions voluntarily, and has failed to provide the Committee with documents and responses to follow-up questions after the interview.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/03/chuck-grassley-pushes-fusion-gps-founders-to-testify-in-public.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 3, 2018 7:17 PM
Comment #422898

“Trump is treason. These crooks and traitors are going down.”
Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 5:07 PM

When a political “junkie” finds himself supporting a party that can’t control even one branch of government, due to lack of leadership and ideas that appeal to Americans, this is what they write. They provide no proof, as there is none. They expect us to just take their word.

Sorry Pal, the real world doesn’t comport to your fantastic dreaming.

We fully expect your rhetoric to become ever more frenzied as President Trump continues to bring America back from the precipice wrought by Democrat Liberals. You will have to wait a good period of time before your Socialist dreams are again put forward as policy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 3, 2018 7:55 PM
Comment #422900

Trump Derangement Syndrome is showing for some on this Blog.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 3, 2018 8:28 PM
Comment #422901
A lot of GOP defenders of Trump crossed the line into Obstruction of Justice. Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 5:07 PM
Joseph Overton was a libertarian stink tanker who developed a concept at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy in Michigan in the mid-1990s, sought to move the “window of political possibilities” and bring unpopular ideas into the mainstream. The most effective way to do this, he proposed, was not to advocate for minor, incremental changes to an already accepted idea, but to make the case for a currently “unthinkable” idea, stating it cogently and provoking an informed discussion. These efforts would make radical ideas look more normal, nudging them into the “acceptable” category, and eventually making them politically viable.

This is called The Overton Window. It’s been the policy of the right wing for decades now. Their most significant accomplishment over these years was to Make China Great Again. Cheap labor by people who have no rights is the right wing ideal. In this country they intend to do that in two ways. One, by taking away citizenship rights from those who already have them, and two, by importing undocumented workers who are not citizens at all, and never will be if they have their way.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 3, 2018 9:57 PM
Comment #422902

The meeting late today between Speaker Ryan, Deputy AG Rosenstein, AND Director Wray from the FBI supposedly involved the Russian investigation and Congressman Nunes. He was supposed to be recused, but disregarded his own recusal and used his power as Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee to issue a subpoena. The subpoena would land Nunes directly in the middle of sensitive information for the Mueller investigation. This subpoena was issued by Nunes alone, with no one else signing on. Given past obstructive and untrustworthy behavior by Nunes, this attempt to obtain sensitive information caused a lot of concern, resulting in the meeting between Ryan, Rosenstein, and Wray. As of deadline tonight the information demanded by the Nunes subpoena has not been provided to him.

Posted by: phx8 at January 3, 2018 11:07 PM
Comment #422903

Nunes was part of the transition team, advising “on the appointments of Cabinet members and on appointments to other top positions in the new administration.” He did a really crackerjack job there. Jeff Sessions brought his people in, and the POS appointed the least qualified people he could find to most non-military positions. Carl Icahn interviewed the people he wanted for the departments that concerned him most. So what did Nunes do exactly? It must be something crooked for him to be so worried about what the FBI is doing. The FBI investigates crimes. He might know that. These are the guiltiest looking bunch of people since the Nixon days.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 3, 2018 11:30 PM
Comment #422934

And now the Russians are using President Trump to cause earthquakes and frigid cold weather right here in the US.
Is there no end to the collusion and madness!!!

Argle bargle

Posted by: kctim at January 4, 2018 8:34 AM
Comment #422935

Weren’t Democratics crying for 8 years about investigations going nowhere. There was no proof. Yada Yada Yada.

Now they cry and point fingers just like the Republicans did during Obama’s terms. Talk about calling the kettle black! Democratics are doing exactly what Republicans did when they were out of power.

It’s like an opera. We get to sit and listen to high pitched screeching regardless of what party is in power.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 4, 2018 9:38 AM
Comment #422936

WW,
“Weren’t Democratics crying for 8 years about investigations going nowhere.”

You mean the 12 criminal indictments against the top two people in the Trump Campaign for money laundering, and “Conspiracy against the United States”? Or the two guilty pleas to felonies by the former National Security Advisor and another staffer for foreign policy?

Or maybe that is a more general observation, like the former Chief Strategist for the Trump Administration calling a meeting between Trump Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and four Russians “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”?

Wonder if the DOJ and FBI will issue FISA warrants to wiretap Nunes? He already has a history of obstruction.

Posted by: phx8 at January 4, 2018 9:51 AM
Comment #422937

phx8, Manafort was long before the Trump campaign and as far as his former security adviser he was fired for lying to Pence about his accusations. As far as Bannon and his book writer goes we shall see but IMO it is PURE BULLS**T and fabricated crap. Bannon is just PO’d because of the Alabama loss and Trump not supporting the GOP candidate until late.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 4, 2018 11:50 AM
Comment #422938

The reports about that book are about 3 people into hearsay. His book says he knows a guy who mentions a guy who said a guy said…

What were the felonies? Lying? Is that like perjury? Isn’t perjury the fall back charge when nothing else if found?

All that money wasted…

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 4, 2018 12:08 PM
Comment #422939

WHEN DOES THE FAT LADY SING?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 4, 2018 12:11 PM
Comment #422940

phx8, plus the FACT that Bannon has said Trump is a great guy TODAY. What do we believe the BULLS**T from the book or Bannon himself? Also the author of the book is said to EXAGERATE the facts.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 4, 2018 12:42 PM
Comment #422941

KAP,
Flynn lied to the FBI about his phone call with the Russians, and offering to withdraw sanctions put in place to punish them for interfering with the election. His guilty plea had nothing to do with the lies he told Pence.

Trump is liar. Bannon is a liar. Books like “Fire and Fury” are written to sell copies and make money. This sort of thing should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Having said that, Wolff did over 200 interviews, and 95% of his material came through Bannon. Wolff was given access to the White House. He reportedly has hundreds of hours of tapes of those interviews. So while I don’t doubt for a moment that not all of it is accurate, most of the reported excerpts ring true. They match stories we’ve heard elsewhere in the past. This is a White House in chaos. The president reads nothing- not even one page summaries- and constantly repeats himself. He is temperamentally unfit for the office.

It just happens to be sensational that this comes from his former Campaign Manager and Chief Strategist. And it is also worth pointing out no one is denying the quotes.

Posted by: phx8 at January 4, 2018 1:42 PM
Comment #422943

Phx8, Bannon just said Trump was a great guy. The book is fiction. Trump fired Flynn for lying who he lied to or what the lie was is immaterial. Flynn may have said something about the sanctions but it was Flynn talking not Trump. Flynn was fired get that through your head. We have heard this same BULLS××T through 8 years of the Bush administration. Just admit that you hate republicans instead of bringing up all this fake news.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at January 4, 2018 2:34 PM
Comment #422944

KAP,
You are mixing up the reason Trumjp gave for Flynn being fired with his guilty plea to the FBI. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about sanctions, NOT about lying to Pence. Flynn claimed he did not discuss lifting sanctions. Scroll down to the item 3 on the Statement of Offense:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-flynn-plea-agreement-documents

Posted by: phx8 at January 4, 2018 2:52 PM
Comment #422945

Phx8, I don’t give a rat’s a×× who Flynn lied to or about what, he got his a×× fired for lying period. His lying has nothing to do with Trump.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at January 4, 2018 3:05 PM
Comment #422946

There is no collusion between Trump and the Russians. There is not one fact to prove otherwise.

It is stunning how some on the Left allow others to think for them. I guess it is easier to just accept something as true rather than actually think about it and come to an informed conclusion.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 4, 2018 3:18 PM
Comment #422947

Conservatives and working Americans applaud these headlines. Liberals hate good news about America when Republicans are in charge.

DOW 25,000!
FASTEST RISE IN HISTORY
+250K JOBS
LAYOFFS LOWEST SINCE ‘90

http://drudgereport.com/

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 4, 2018 3:25 PM
Comment #422948

Are the talking-points of Trump, Bannon and the Russians colluding on this whole book thing in order to make mega-billions of dollars, out yet?

Posted by: kctim at January 4, 2018 3:45 PM
Comment #422949
So while I don’t doubt for a moment that not all of it is accurate, most of the reported excerpts ring true.
Not all of it is accurate. Finally! phx8 may be getting it! They ring true to phx8 because he wants so badly for them to be true.
…and constantly repeats himself.

phx8 should listen to himself. He is constantly repeating himself, also! He’s just another pot calling the kettle black. We know your track record, phx8. However, we don’t mind. It’s fun to watch the phx8 ship run aground over and over again.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 4, 2018 5:07 PM
Comment #422950

KAP,
Flynn lied because he was going to undo the sanctions put in place to punish the Russians for interfering with the election. Acting AG Yates immediately informed the White House Counsel that Flynn was compromised. The Counsel informed Trump, and Trump did nothing for 18 days. He only acted when the media revealed what had happened. That is a BIG problem. Why did Trump fail to act?

RF,
“There is no collusion between Trump and the Russians.”

Bannon, Trump’s Campaign Manager and former Chief Strategist, certainly thinks otherwise. He characterized the meeting in Trump Tower last year as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic.”


Posted by: phx8 at January 4, 2018 5:25 PM
Comment #422951

phx8, As I said I don’t give a rats A** about Flynn, he was fired maybe 18 days late but the same could be said about Comey, he should have been fired day one but wasn’t. As far as Bannon what was written in that book may not have been accurate. The author has a habit of writing things that are not actually truthful and just today Bannon said Trump was a great guy. As I said earlier we heard this same BULLS**T during the Bush administration. Just admit phx8 you don’t like republicans and quit with the fake news.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 4, 2018 6:26 PM
Comment #422952

“Just admit phx8 you don’t like republicans and quit with the fake news.”

It is not Republicans or conservatives I dislike. I may disagree with them, but there are still shared principles. My problem is with Trump supporters.

Some are caught in a cult of personality.

Some are willing to overlook racism, misogyny, bigotry, Islamaphobia, xenophobia, homophobia, and other forms of hatred in order to hold onto power or advance some other goal. Others actually are racists, bigots, and so on.

Many are trapped in an information bubble. They are kept misinformed by FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh, and others. There is a relentless effort to distract, deflect, deny, and attack. Criticism is denounced as ‘fake news.’

And many are willing to overlook some of the fundamentals of what make this country great, such as free and fair elections, respect for the law, and peaceful transfers of power.

In any case, we’re nearing an endgame. The Obstruction of Justice charge seem ready to go. It turns out Reince Preibus, of all people, kept detailed handwritten notes independently confirming Comey’s version of events. Comey was telling the truth. Trump was lying.

And the spokesman for the White House Legal team, Mark Corallo, quit his job one week after the Air Force One flight, the one where Trump dictated the letter lying about the reason for the meeting in Trump Tower. Corallo believed that constituted Obstruction of Justice.

But I do wonder in what order the charges will be brought. There are Obstruction, money laundering, and conspiracy to violate election campaign laws. If the Mueller investigation takes down Trump first, they might prevent pardons for the other crooks and traitors. Of course, that will be contingent on whether the GOP will go through with an impeachment. Should they fail to do so, the Democrats will take control in the midterms and finish the job.

Posted by: phx8 at January 4, 2018 10:52 PM
Comment #422953

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Comment #422981

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Posted by: MBA Capstone Project Help at January 5, 2018 7:16 AM
Comment #422999

“It is not Republicans or conservatives I dislike. I may disagree with them, but there are still shared principles. My problem is with Trump supporters.”

You’re not fooling anyone but yourself, Phx8. The left’s problem is with those who dare to stand in the way of the ‘progressive’ direction you wish to take the country. And now that all your progressive edicts are being undone, you guys are losing your sh*t in epic proportions.

Fact is, all this “racism, misogyny, bigotry, Islamaphobia, xenophobia, homophobia” BS that you claim, is really nothing more than simple disagreement with the emotionally driven ‘progressive’ policy you support. Under Obama, you used it to silence. Under Trump, you are using it to incite.

Some are caught in a cult of personality? Seriously? After 10 straight years of unearned adulation of Obama, 24/7, by the left and the media, you are seriously trying to accuse others of this?
And holding onto power? On every Obama and Hillary ‘scandal’ your only reaction was/is to dismiss it and then justify it as no big deal. But now you want us to believe that you actually care about holding onto power or advance some other goal? Puleeze!

“And many are willing to overlook some of the fundamentals of what make this country great, such as free and fair elections, respect for the law, and peaceful transfers of power”

Um yeah. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s leftists who are destroying public and private property, and committing acts of violence because the election didn’t go their way. It’s leftists who are bringing up impeachment because they disagree with the political positions of the President. It’s leftist leaders supporting extremist groups like antifa and blm. It’s leftist leaders shouting “Not my President”!

“Should they fail to do so, the Democrats will take control in the midterms and finish the job. “

Yes, as it almost usually ends up, it will swing back your way. But if you are going to impeach the President you better hope to God that you actual facts on your side, because if you don’t and you go only with the baseless assumptions and partisan opinions you have now, you won’t be finishing anything, you will be starting something much much worse.

Mark my words, my friend. Normal Americans have had about all they can take from leftists.

Posted by: kctim at January 5, 2018 9:46 AM
Comment #423001

First, a statistic about job creation:

Under Obama, for the 11 months from February-December 2016, the economy added 2.1 million jobs. In the same period under Trump it grew by 1.84 million jobs.

Thanks, Obama.

kctim,
If the facts warrant impeachment of Trump for Obstruction of Justice, money laundering, and/or conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws, so be it. Based on what I’ve seen in the media, all three look likely. However, if the Mueller investigation determines there is nothing, I am fine with that. The issue will have been thoroughly and fairly investigated, and that is all I can ask.

I am reading the biography of U.S. Grant by Chernow, and I would highly encourage people to read this. Right now I am reading about his second term and issues during Reconstruction. It is remarkable to see how some of those issues have persisted through to today. The situation now is not nearly as bad as it was back then in states like LA and SC. The KKK was a secret militia in open rebellion, basically a continuation of the civil war targeting blacks and those in the South who supported them. Thousands were brutally murdered. To this day we see some of the same issues persist: ‘states rights’ as a cover for denying civil liberties, racism, denial of the right to vote, and more.

Posted by: phx8 at January 5, 2018 11:29 AM
Comment #423002

“Many are trapped in an information bubble. They are kept misinformed by FOX, Hannity, Limbaugh, and others. There is a relentless effort to distract, deflect, deny, and attack. Criticism is denounced as ‘fake news.’”

Really phx8, please link to all the false stories in the media you condemn. I can easily link to “fake news” in your favorite media. You make no points being a simple hypocrite. Wise up a little phx8 and write something besides your usual litany of Trump hatred.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 5, 2018 12:20 PM
Comment #423003

The Chernow bio of Grant is about 1000 pages. Good luck with that. I couldn’t finish reading Our Man in Charleston by Christopher Dickey. It’s based on letters written in 1861, but the racism is still current.

Mueller could already have sealed indictments of la famiglia financial crimes, which would include Ivanka. My guess is that Mueller is pushing towards a resignation, the right wing party in Congress being completely unreliable.

Right wing strategist Steve Schmidt was unintentionally funny last night on LOD. The WH is a “menagerie, monkeys hurling their 8xcrement at each other in a cage, a reality show, horror movie, soap opera, discussing:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/michael-wolffs-withering-portrait-of-president-donald-trump

Posted by: ohrealy at January 5, 2018 12:21 PM
Comment #423004

“If the Mueller investigation takes down Trump first, they might prevent pardons for the other crooks and traitors.”

Thanks for being honest about the Mueller investigation and goal phx8. It’s not about the Russians at all; and never was. We are pleased that you have finally dropped the subterfuge and admit to your true political poisonous and unwarranted hatred.

Mueller has nothing, and all your stories about Trump and others are lacking links to make them credible. If you can prove anything you write, please do so. Until then Pal, you are just exercising your fingers on a keyboard.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 5, 2018 12:30 PM
Comment #423005

And so it begins…

FBI launches new Clinton Foundation investigation

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367541-fbi-launches-new-clinton-foundation-investigation

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 5, 2018 1:05 PM
Comment #423006

The POS made a call to Rebekkah Mercer, and she is cutting off Steve Bannon:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-04/mercer-issues-statement-cutting-ties-to-bannon-post-reports

Posted by: ohrealy at January 5, 2018 1:12 PM
Comment #423007

As for the FBI investigating HRC…

Something like that has never happened before in the United States. Obama did not seek to prosecute Bush & Cheney over Iraq. Even after the Civil War, Jefferson Davis and Lee were not prosecuted. I can not think of a single example in American history where this has happened- going after a political opponent after they lost an election. The American tradition is for an incoming administration to heal and unify, rather than investigate and prosecute political opponents from the previous election.

It is a good example of just how horrendously divisive Trump and his supporters can be. Why do they do something so un-American? They need to deflect and distract from their own legal peril. Russia interfered with our election, and the Trump Campaign appears to have conspired with them; worse, the president appears to be compromised by a history of Russian money laundering.

Posted by: phx8 at January 5, 2018 2:01 PM
Comment #423008

Aw…poor phx8. Hasn’t the Left been demanding to know the truth about ALL POSSIBLE POLITICAL LAWBREAKERS?

Our Lefty Pals have assured us that Hillary and company have done nothing wrong. Nothing to worry about here phx8. Just sit back and enjoy the spectacle. OK?

Warren Porter said he will furnish the “popcorn”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 5, 2018 2:08 PM
Comment #423009

It is yet another example of why Trump is so unfit to lead. He is vindictive and divisive. He violates the democratic norms which ensure peaceful transfers of power. He does this by demanding the DOJ go after a political opponent- a demand he made many times, including his statements on 11/3/17. What he is doing is breaking down the separation between the President and the DOJ, and turning the DOJ and FBI into weapons for attacking his opponent. Again, this is not normal. This is NOT something we have seen before, even in the most trying & stressful times for the country.

Posted by: phx8 at January 5, 2018 2:35 PM
Comment #423010

Barely noticed is another example of why Trump is so utterly unfit for office. He threatened an author with a lawsuit and issued a cease and desist letter over the publication of a book, “Fire & Fury.” This is not normal. This is not something any president has done before. This is the action of an angry, vindictive person who has no respect for much of anything, and has no business being in the White House.

Posted by: phx8 at January 5, 2018 3:44 PM
Comment #423011

It appears that our Pal needs a Valium along with his popcorn.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 5, 2018 3:57 PM
Comment #423012

It’s something Putin would do. Right wing blocks of wood are too stupid to realize that the russians have ID information on millions of Americans, and have successfully impersonated some online. I used to pay bills via email through a program called Zelle. Now, I eliminated email access to my bank accounts, since I don’t want them emptied by some friends and advisors of the current administration, worthless sacks of sh!t everyone one of them.

Posted by: ohrealy at January 5, 2018 3:58 PM
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Dr. Strangelove, a friend of Reagan, in 1959:

Ladies and gentlemen, I am to talk to you about energy in the future. I will start by telling you why I believe that the energy resources of the past must be supplemented. First of all, these energy resources will run short as we use more and more of the fossil fuels. But I would like to mention another reason why we probably have to look for additional fuel supplies. And this, strangely, is the question of contaminating the atmosphere. Whenever you burn conventional fuel, you create carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide is invisible, it is transparent, you can’t smell it, it is not dangerous to health, so why should one worry about it?

Carbon dioxide has a strange property. It transmits visible light but it absorbs the infrared radiation which is emitted from the earth. Its presence in the atmosphere causes a greenhouse effect. It has been calculated that a temperature rise corresponding to a 10 per cent increase in carbon dioxide will be sufficient to melt the icecap and submerge New York. All the coastal cities would be covered, and since a considerable percentage of the human race lives in coastal regions, I think that this chemical contamination is more serious than most people tend to believe.

At present the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has risen by 2 per cent over normal. By 1970, it will be perhaps 4 per cent, by 1980, 8 per cent, by 1990, 16 per cent, if we keep on with our exponential rise in the use of purely conventional fuels. By that time, there will be a serious additional impediment for the radiation leaving the earth. Our planet will get a little warmer. It is hard to say whether it will be 2 degrees Fahrenheit or only one or 5.

But when the temperature does rise by a few degrees over the whole globe, there is a possibility that the icecaps will start melting and the level of the oceans will begin to rise. Well, I don’t know whether they will cover the Empire State Building or not, but anyone can calculate it by looking at the map and noting that the icecaps over Greenland and over Antarctica are perhaps five thousand feet thick./

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/ghgases/Fig1A.ext.txt

Posted by: ohrealy at January 5, 2018 4:12 PM
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When your political party and beliefs are circling the drain; resort to the old “never-fail” man-made global cooling or man-made global warming threat. Either suits as neither can be proven.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 5, 2018 4:56 PM
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“Dr. Strangelove, a friend of Reagan, in 1959:”

Wrong then, and still wrong to this day.

Posted by: dbs at January 6, 2018 12:30 PM
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