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​Tillerson's Future - You Want Someone You Can Trust at State

What senior administration officials “said” to the NYT that a plan was being developed to force out Rex Tillerson from his job as Secretary of State? And then replace Tillerson at State with current CIA Director Mike Pompeo who apparently has the president’s ear as far as most foreign policy goes and has not had any squabbles or conflict with Trump, as Tillerson has rumored to have.

Trump has not yet signed off on the plan, which was reportedly developed by Chief of Staff John Kelly. Wait. Wasn't Kelly the one that was supposed to plug all the leaking holes at the White House? Did Kelly wake up on Thursday expecting to read of his supposed plan to axe Tillerson? Again, who leaked this? Jared Kushner? Or someone close to him?

The third piece of the strategy is to place Senator Tom Cotton - who has emerged as a strong supporter of the president in the upper chamber - as head of the CIA to replace Pompeo. The Daily Beast already has a hit piece out on Cotton, just in case the rumors are right.

Leaks had been sealed up at for the most part since Kelly took over, but this seems to be an unfortunate return to negotiating or pressuring by leaks, rather than solving indoors like grown ups. And it's doubly unfortunate when it comes to filling two vital Cabinet positions both dealing with foreign policy to a large extent. One suspects that the CIA churns out as many or more position papers and analysis than State does. And to have the heads of these key departments or agencies sorted out by leaks is annoying to say the least.

While leaks are part of D.C.'s DNA, and this isn't all that surprising that Tillerson might be on the way out, there is a true surprise here:

Nary a word about UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, whose star had been rising for some time but who has been fairly quiet recently. Perhaps President Trump is more comfortable with Mike Pompeo. Perhaps Mike Pompeo sees the president more frequently than Haley, often in New York at the UN, does. Perhaps Ambassador Haley got a little too famous a little too fast.

Regardless, Tillerson was an unusual pick for Secretary of State. Normally you want someone you can trust politically as a close ally at a job like state. Tillerson has proved to be something less than close and somewhat less reliable than a true ally. Experienced in business, well-travelled, pragmatic, tough ... yes. But given his lack of diplomatic or government experience he had to be someone President Trump could get along with, and trust to be in line with White House policies (as tough as that may be at times).

He turned out not to be so. And that may have been the reason for his coming downfall.

Posted by AllardK at December 1, 2017 5:37 PM
Comments
Comment #422112

Another article written completely ignorant of reality. Pompeo is a Koch-sucker. Tillerson was a friend of Vlad who didn’t want the job and didn’t intend to stay beyond a year. This is a dead website. Stick the nails in the coffin already.

Posted by: ohrealy at December 1, 2017 8:30 PM
Comment #422125

ohrealy, do you really think WatchBlog is a dead website?

I don’t.

I’m a member of the “Silent Majority” that the MSM referred to in the 80’s and 90’s. I’m a tea-party member.

I’m someone who doesn’t feel a need to express my opinion to anyone and everyone. If I get offended I simply walk away.

Tell me what Milo said. What did he say?

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 4, 2017 12:14 AM
Comment #422165

The hatred of individuals simply for their political views, rather than disagreement with actual policy, is what’s ‘killing’ WatchBlog.
The unjustified claims of racist, nazi, bigotry and, Russia Russia Russia, have taken their toll.

Maybe today’s Supreme Court ruling will lead to some actual discussion on an actual issue.

Posted by: kctim at December 5, 2017 10:05 AM
Comment #422166

Another one of the Trump crooks and traitors has pleaded guilty to a felony in exchange for cooperation. The National Security Advisor, General Flynn, pleaded guilty to lying about to the FBI about phone calls in which Flynn rewarded Russian interference in the election by promising to undo Obama punitive sanctions. The release of an e-mail by his National Deputy Security Advisor, KT McFarland:

“If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him.”
KT McFarland

McFarland’s e-mail contradicts at length her sworn testimony given to Congress, so there is yet another crook and traitor who will be put in the barrel.

The top Campaign Manger, Paul Manafort, may have violated the terms of his bail by working through a person with known connections to Russian intelligence. He is already indicted on 12 counts, including “Conspiracy against the United States.” So is the number two guy from the campaign, who remained in touch with the Trump transition team and administration even after leaving the campaign.

Meanwhile, Trump addressed Navajo Indian Talkers while standing in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson, and cast a racist insult at a political opponent, Elizabeth Warren.

And he refused to reject a GOP Senate candidate, Roy Moore, who was accused of sexual assaults against a 14 year old and a 16 year old girl, among other things.

AND THAT WAS JUST LAST WEEK!!!

Posted by: phx8 at December 5, 2017 10:48 AM
Comment #422168

This week it has been confirmed the Mueller investigation subpoenaed Deutsche Bank for financial records relating to Trump, and the Bank has complied. DB was recently assessed a $425 million fine by the US for money laundering for the Russians. They have also laundered in other countries and been heavily fined. DB refused to provide the GOP Congress those financial records when politely asked, but DB had no choice when Mueller used a subpoena.

In addition to the usual attacks on the free press, Trump attempted to discredit and delegitimize the FBI by claiming it was “in tatters.” Virtually everyone associated with the FBI denied the accusation, and said Trump was lying.

One Trump lawyer claimed Trump, although having sworn to uphold the law, was not subject to it; therefore, Trump could not be criminally charged. The one and only way he can ever be charged is through impeachment. Trump watched Alan Dershowitz make this case on Fox & Friends. It is a case for dictatorship.

So, yeah, Russia Russia Russia. Because Trump is treason.

Posted by: phx8 at December 5, 2017 11:19 AM
Comment #422169

We are heading for a Constitutional crisis. The President is mentally and emotionally unfit for office, and he is unlikely to resign. Faced with a charge of Obstruction of Justice, Trump may very well claim to be above the law. The GOP Congress may refuse to charge him in the hopes of paying off their donors with massive tax cuts. Our democracy faces the direct threat of dictatorship, an autocrat in the style of Putin.

Our institutions are strong, but this is a kind of assault we have never experienced. The free press, the judiciary, and law enforcement face the Trump administration (including Sessions), far right conservatives, the GOP, the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity, and the Russians.

The outcome is uncertain.

Three Congressman- Representatives Gaetz, Biggs, and Gohmert- introduced legislation to force Mueller to resign. They fully intend to protect Trump by obstructing justice. Be assured, there are more like them.

Posted by: phx8 at December 5, 2017 11:45 AM
Comment #422170

Phx8,

There has yet to be any evidence of actual collusion or that “Flynn rewarded Russian interference in the election.”
Manafort’s “Conspiracy against the United States” charge has nothing to do with collusion.
There is not case for dictatorship being made, nor is there a Constitutional crisis right over the horizon.
Your attempt to sway opinion with such dishonesty is shameful.
Your hope that your President is actually guilty, is quite sad.
Your promoting conspiracy is ridiculous. (I am surprised you did not mention Trumps super secret new spy ring modeled after the SS)

IF evidence shows that collusion took place, the proper thing will be done.

Posted by: kctim at December 5, 2017 12:48 PM
Comment #422172

Phx8, 7 million dollars and all we have from Muellar is Manafort and Gates have problems from 10 years ago and Flynn lying which we all knew and is why he was fired.When you have some facts that aren’t from the grocery store tabloids let us know.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at December 5, 2017 2:58 PM
Comment #422173

Outside the “NATIONAL ENQUIRER”, I have not heard or read such silly accusations as those posed by our Libbie Pal phx8.

The more desperate they become to curb the great things President Trump is accomplishing for Americans, the more outlandish the false charges.

The powerful in the Washington swamp are loath to relinquish power despite an election result centered on that very issue.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2017 3:02 PM
Comment #422174

Dictator! Dictator! Wasn’t that a Charley Chaplin movie?

Can you imagine what would happen if someone decided they would declare themselves a dictator in this country? Ha! It makes my eyebrows chuckle. How fast would the people with money just stop paying taxes if our government decided it was a dictatorship instead of a republic? Pretty fast, I think.

phx8 wish that the president becomes dictator is laughable.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 5, 2017 3:21 PM
Comment #422175

If Trump became dictator the Democratics would do 2 things:

1) They would assassinate Trump
2) They would declare themselves dictator before his body is cold.

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 5, 2017 3:24 PM
Comment #422176

You’re right Weary…laughable.

We do know for certain that the Lefties want to take away our guns. That is a move most dictators take before they assume complete control. The Left also wants Socialism to replace Capitalism. And, we all know that Socialism is the precursor to Communism.

The remarks our Pals on the Left throw around about “Traitors” and “Dictators” merely indicates their decent into ever deeper depression, malaise, and mania over their ability to win elections, and their fear of losing even more power.

The loss of power, and the subsequent ability to spend money to purchase votes, is driving Democrats, and their minions, to ever greater acts of lawlessness.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
Comment #422177

Apparently our Pal phx8 has better information than the president’s personal lawyer.

Jay Sekulow, one of Trump’s personal lawyers, said Deutsche Bank has not received any subpoena for financial records relating to the president as part of Mueller’s probe.

“We have confirmed that the news reports that the Special Counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the president are false,” Sekulow told Reuters in a statement. “No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources.”

He later said the bank in question was Deutsche Bank. A spokesman for Mueller declined to comment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/trump-lawyer-denies-deutsche-bank-got-subpoena-on-trump-accounts-idUSKBN1DZ0XN

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2017 4:17 PM
Comment #422178

RF,
Sekulow is not credible. Twice he claimed “the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement” by Trump Jr. about the meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower. Sekulow’s claims were false. He lied. Trump dictated it to Hope Hicks. Is Sekulow telling the truth about DB? Doubtful. Congress attempted to obtain financial records from DB and the bank refused. Common sense says the Mueller Investigation would go there for records using a subpoena, which the bank can NOT refuse. DB has been involved in Russian money laundering in the past and been fined for it in the US and Britain to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars. DB was the only major bank that would loan money to Trump after all the bankruptcies ten years ago, since American banks wouldn’t touch him. So most likely Mueller would obtain records using a subpoena, and Sekulow lied again.

kctim,
As for collusion, we already know it happened. The minute Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort attended a meeting to get dirt on HRC, even if they received nothing, would have broken the law. The question is whether the collusion constituted a conspiracy to violate campaign election laws.

WW,
Look into the history of how Putin corrupted Russian democracy and became an autocrat. The attacks on the free press, his previous political opponent, the judiciary, and FBI are all hallmarks of a budding dictator. Trump lies about them constantly. The difference between Russian and the US is the strength of our institutions. The question is, will we be strong enough?

Posted by: phx8 at December 5, 2017 4:39 PM
Comment #422179

phx8 is a good example of Liberal thinking. He assumes that anything negative about President Trump must be true simply because that is his desire.

His response to the Sekulow quote I posted is mere guesswork and wishful thinking.

I did not guarantee the accuracy of my quote because at this time I am waiting for more sources to confirm the claim. phx8 is not so careful with his beliefs. So Sad.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 5, 2017 4:58 PM
Comment #422181

He assumes.
phx8 makes his argument with words like;
Doubtful, Common sense says , most likely , The question is ,

He just throws shit out there and pats himself on the back.

Hillbilly’s reset button just popped into my head. Why? Oh, yea, the hungry monkey…

Posted by: Weary Willie at December 5, 2017 9:41 PM
Comment #422183

It sure is fun watching you conservatives backpedal. The story about the DB subpoena is being reported by Bloomberg, the Financial Times, Reuters, and the WSJ. And to paraphrase one former prosecutor and right hand man for Mueller, it would not be surprising if the Investigation subpoenaed DB. It WOULD be surprising if they did not.

Allow me to quote myself on 11/25:

“Two years ago a big time fixer for the Turks was arrested. This guy moved billions for money laundering, gold smuggling, helping Iran fund Hezbollah, ship heroin, and more. There was even a Turkish ‘dossier’ put together by prosecutors that damned the corrupt Erdogan government. Until recently the Erdogan administration was able to keep their thumb on those prosecutors in Turkey. Recently the fixer disappeared even though he was supposed to appear for some trials here in the US.

He flipped.

A few days ago, Flynn’s business partner, Bian Kijan, was subpoenaed. And now Flynn’s defense team has refused any further cooperation with the White House defense lawyers.

Flynn flipped.”

On December 1st, Flynn actually did flip. In a plea bargain he pleaded guilty to a felony and offered to cooperate. Funny to go back and read your comments.

So all those crooks and traitors in the Trump administration are in hot water now, and they know it. KT McFarland’s e-mail was perfect:

“If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him.”
KT McFarland

That was released the day after Flynn flipped. She was his Deputy at the NSA. Her e-mails directly contradict her testimony before Congress. Perjury! Boomtown!

The days are numbered for Trump Jr. and Kushner too. In addition to meeting with all those Russians on 7/16/16, which should be good for a count of conspiracy to violate election laws…

DB probably sold over $100 million in Trump real estate loans to Russian banks like VEB. Given Trump’s record of bankruptcies, could anyone blame DB? That is what the Mueller Investigation is looking at. And does VEB ring a bell? It should! Kushner tried to conceal a meeting he held with the head of VEB because it was a sanctioned Russian bank, and its head had a background Russian intelligence and was closely tied to Putin. If the Russians hold those loans, then they control Donald Trump. He is compromised.

All that money laundering… All those contacts and meetings by the Trump Campaign and transition team with the Russians… They are a bunch of crooks and traitors, make no mistake.

And that is why Trump is treason.

And they know their days are numbered, which makes this a very dangerous time for our democracy. Don’t expect them to go down quietly.


Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 12:14 AM
Comment #422187

phx8


“All that money laundering…”

What money laundering ? Manaforts charges have nothing to do with election. In fact they are all involving crimes that occurred years before.

” All those contacts and meetings by the Trump Campaign and transition team with the Russians… They are a bunch of crooks and traitors, make no mistake.”


The meetings involving the sanctions took place after the election. Perfectly legal. Flynn is charged with lying to the FBI. Those lies had to do with things that were never illegal. The only thing that was illegal was Flynn lying about them.

There is no proof of collusion. So there is indictable crime. The left and Mueller are banking in an impeachment. Not gonna happen as long as the republicans control one of the houses of congress. You can dream, but those dreams will never come true.

Posted by: dbs at December 6, 2017 6:02 AM
Comment #422190
And they know their days are numbered, which makes this a very dangerous time for our democracy. Don’t expect them to go down quietly. Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 12:14 AM

It will be interesting to see what the breaking point will be for the KKK/NRA/GOP/RAPE party. They’re ignoring the administration having to clear any foreign policy effort with Putin, the puppet’s master. He won’t even let them help Puerto Rico, since he wants us out of there. Will they raise any opposition if he tries to give Alaska back to Russia, as his master wants? The plantation owners want to secure their tax agenda now, and aren’t focused on anything else.

The FBI was totally on the KKK/NRA/GOP/RAPE party side in the 2016 election, and interfered on their behalf. I don’t see the FBI surviving this mess. The supporters of the KKK/NRA/GOP/RAPE party think that crime is something that others do, and that they are exempt from the laws that apply to “others”.

I’m interested in what will happen with Deutsche Bank. When they were building their tower in Chicago, I thought the address was going to be 333 N. Wabash. Apparently, someone didn’t like that, so the address is 401 N. Wabash, ignoring the grid.

Posted by: ohrealy at December 6, 2017 10:59 AM
Comment #422191

“the KKK/NRA/GOP/RAPE party.”

“They’re ignoring the administration having to clear any foreign policy effort with Putin, the puppet’s master. He won’t even let them help Puerto Rico, since he wants us out of there.”

“Will they raise any opposition if he tries to give Alaska back to Russia, as his master wants?”

Yes Phx8, that’s exactly what you are starting to sound more and more like.
The dem party’s whacko fringe has become its mainstream.

Posted by: kctim at December 6, 2017 11:11 AM
Comment #422193

Looks like the Russians are now going after Franken.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/female-democratic-senators-call-al-franken-resign-165041120.html

Posted by: kctim at December 6, 2017 12:58 PM
Comment #422194

dbs,
Here is the Manafort/Gates indictment:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000

“Conspiracy Against the United States” is on page 23. It went on from 2006 to 2017. Their actions were NOT something that happened years ago. They were continuing right into this year. For the most part, the indictment involve their activities on behalf of the pro-Russian Ukrainian dictator, who fled to Russia when the government was overthrown. Russia then invaded Ukraine using pro-Russian Ukrainians.

“The meetings involving the sanctions took place after the election. Perfectly legal. Flynn is charged with lying to the FBI. Those lies had to do with things that were never illegal.”

Then why did Flynn lie? Why did Papodopolous lie to the FBI? Why did Trump Jr. lie about that meeting with those Russians in Trump Tower? Why did Kushner try to conceal his meeting with the Russian head of the VEB bank? Why did McFarland lie to Congress. Why have so many Trump administration officials lied about their contacts and meetings with Russians? They only own up to it when the media reveals it through investigative reporting. That means rolling disclosures, and a steady drip of revelations.

kctim,
Franken is going to resign, and so he should. Our society is changing, and it is changing for the better as we come to grips with gender equality. People like Franken and Conyers are on their way out, and deservedly so. The standard for serving in the House or the Senate needs to be high.

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 2:53 PM
Comment #422195

Wrong Phx8. That’s only what the kkk/NRA/GOP/nazis and their BFF Putin the communist dictator want you to believe, so that Trump can become the first US dictator and give Alaska to the Russians, so that Master Putin and Puppet Trump can rule the world and enslave everybody not white.

Oh, and I disagree with you about Franken.

Posted by: kctim at December 6, 2017 3:51 PM
Comment #422196

kctim,
The upcoming Franken resignation is controversial, and I think reasonable people can disagree about the proper punishment for Franken. Personally, I think zero tolerance for sexual harassment is the standard. It has never been easy to judge because it usually involves a he said/she said situation without witnesses, and in the workplace, the woman’s case is usually being made against a man in a more powerful position. Furthermore, the woman never knows if she is the only one being subjected to it. My wife was subjected to it. She is still extremely angry about it because it made her “feel small,” and would have cost her job if she spoke up.

If only one accuser went public without any supporting evidence, then I would not punish the accused. If the accusers were politically motivated, and being bankrolled by others out to destroy that politician, that would give me pause too. The multiple accusations of groping by Franken were enough to convince me. I take no pleasure in saying that, since in some ways Franken was a good Senator.

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 4:06 PM
Comment #422197

“On December 1st, Flynn actually did flip. In a plea bargain he pleaded guilty to a felony and offered to cooperate…”

Pled guilty to lying to the FBI. He did not plead guilty to anything else…did he phx8? Feel free to conjure up all kinds of deals if you wish phx8. We don’t care about your fantasy.

I believe both Mueller and Comey will face criminal charges before long.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 6, 2017 4:17 PM
Comment #422198

Here is the Statement of Offense for Flynn and the Plea Agreement:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-court-filing/index.html

It is available elsewhere, but this version is easy to read and includes both the Statement and the Plea. Flynn lied about his contacts with the Russians in order to mislead the FBI. The agreement to cooperate is on page 5 of the Plea Agreement.

Just because Flynn agreed to cooperate, or ‘sing’ does not mean he will do it. However, failure to do so will result in a superseding indictment, and very likely an indictment for his son. Meanwhile, it would not change the fact he is already guilty of a felony, lying to the FBI. That’s done, and now it is only a question of the sentence, which can be up to 5 years and a fine up to $250,000.

By the way, there was no sweeter moment than seeing Flynn exiting that court room after pleading guilty. The crowd chanted “lock him up!”

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 4:56 PM
Comment #422199

Has phx8 just now heard or read that Flynn lied to both Vice President Pence and the FBI? Old news Pal.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 6, 2017 5:15 PM
Comment #422200

Once again our Pal phx8 has “jumped to conclusions” at the drop of a fake-media blunder. I am sure he is embarrassed at his “rush to judge and accuse”.

“Bloomberg News corrected Wednesday its bombshell report that special counsel Robert Mueller had subpoenaed Deutsche Bank records pertaining to President Donald Trump and his family.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/bloomberg-corrects-bombshell-trump-bank-records-story/

How sad it is when phx8 is gleeful when some people chant “lock him up” regarding General Flynn. Obviously he, and these chanters, neither know or care of the decades of honorable service the General gave to his country.

I am quite certain that phx8 feels this is “pay-back” for those chanting lock her up about Hillary. No doubt he sees no difference between Flynn and Clinton. We would be pleased to explain.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 6, 2017 5:36 PM
Comment #422202

Phx8,
Accusations, without any supporting evidence, is the standard now and it sets a very dangerous precedent. The right to confront one’s accusers and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is gone, all in favor of mob rule.

Posted by: kctim at December 6, 2017 5:59 PM
Comment #422203

kctim,
It is not a legal argument. Legal standards do not apply when it comes to whether a person chooses to resign or not resign. Franken can stay and no one can do much about it.

RF,
The correction: “The corrected report said the bank records “pertain to people affiliated” with Trump. Bloomberg had originally reported that Mueller “zeroed in” on Trump.” Note that only Bloomberg made a change. The London Financial Times, WSJ, and Reuters did not. This story should surprise no one who has followed the investigation. DB has been in deep with the Russians for a long time, and Trump is in deep with DB, with literally hundreds of millions of loans through them.

As for Flynn’s honorable service, you know, Benedict Arnold was a pretty darn good general for the Americans up until that whole West Point thing. Flynn was fired by Obama, and Obama specifically warned Trump not to bring him aboard. Flynn is a crook and he betrayed his country for personal and political gain, and thanks to that plea bargain, he is now officially a convicted felon. He can not vote. He can not carry a fire arm. And if he fails to cooperate he will face additional charges.

Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 6:39 PM
Comment #422204

And if he fails to cooperate he will face additional charges.
Posted by: phx8 at December 6, 2017 6:39 PM

Good Grief Pal, that is not how plea agreements work.

Please tell all of us how lying to the FBI compares with Benedict Arnold.

Does telling a lie make one a “crook”? How does that work.

You sir, should be ashamed for all your false accusations and erroneous reporting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 6, 2017 6:54 PM
Comment #422206

It’s all theater to keep Trump’s successes out of the news cycle.


Posted by: Weary Willie at December 6, 2017 7:39 PM
Comment #422207

Royal,

That is exactly how a plea deal works. The government agreed to drop other charges against Flynn in exchange for his guilty plea on one charge and agreement for cooperation in their ongoing investigation. If Flynn balks at cooperating, the government will file the other charges against him and/or his son.

Posted by: Rich at December 6, 2017 11:48 PM
Comment #422223
Accusations, without any supporting evidence, is the standard now and it sets a very dangerous precedent. The right to confront one’s accusers and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is gone, all in favor of mob rule.

Where you been hiding kctim, that has been the norm for many years, perfected to a high art form by conservative hit men. Don’t believe me, ask the Clinton’s.

Remember Obama, the Muslim that had a extremist Christian preacher in Chicago? The same guy that was born in Kenya.

Or how about the pizza place Hilary ran that was a front for a child p**n operation? Just the tip of the iceberg I could go on and on with “false accusations and erroneous reporting” or with mob rule.

The only thing I can say to conservatives who are now so offended by the slightest mistake by the press is tough s**t, you reap what you sow.

With 4 Trump crime family members already charged in this investigation and it being such a core issue of the Trump administration being elected against all odds it seems the corporate media is rushing to be first with news, which is bad but when compared to the conservative version, “alternative facts” and “fake news” it is relatively minor.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 7, 2017 10:15 AM
Comment #422226

I’ve been right here, J2. You probably just didn’t notice because I don’t pretend that one side is any better than the other side when it comes to such matters.

That’s why you won’t see me making such silly and embarrassing mistakes like talking about a “Trump crime family” immediately after condemning those who talk about a ‘Clinton crime family’.

Posted by: kctim at December 7, 2017 11:47 AM
Comment #422229
That is exactly how a plea deal works. The government agreed to drop other charges against Flynn in exchange for his guilty plea on one charge and agreement for cooperation in their ongoing investigation. …Posted by: Rich at December 6, 2017 11:48 PM

See page 6 here:

https://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/flynn_statement_of_offense.pdf

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/flynn_plea_agreement%20(2).pdf

Posted by: ohrealy at December 7, 2017 12:47 PM
Comment #422231

“The government agreed to drop other charges against Flynn…”

Please tell us what those other charges were.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 7, 2017 2:53 PM
Comment #422234

I noticed kctim I just thought you forgot all that propaganda all those years. BTW that wasn’t a mistake I did it intentionally just in case Royal forgot all those false accusations he has made in the past few years.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 7, 2017 3:24 PM
Comment #422235

Flynn violated the FARA act, which required him to register as a foreign agent receiving money from another country. He had 10 days to declare it. He waited two years. Guilt is not in question. This was one of the 12 charges in the indictments against Manafort and Gates; in a nutshell, Flynn, Manafort, and Gates were spies.

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2017 3:27 PM
Comment #422236

Oh and yeah lets not forget that when you frame your talking points with Luntz phrases isn’t that the same as taking sides? Even if you think you aren’t?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 7, 2017 3:41 PM
Comment #422237

Spies, Traitors, Nazi’s, Fascists, and more are just a few names being given to men and women who do nothing more than disagree with Liberals, Socialists, and Commies.

We are not surprised since many top Liberal Leaders have no compunction about lying and un-American activities. They have yet to be indicted…but hope is growing.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 7, 2017 3:41 PM
Comment #422239

J2, I don’t receive ‘talking points’ from any of your boogeymen. Everything you read from me that is not in quotes or linked, comes from me.

Now, I did not say that I do not take sides. As Republican and Conservative beliefs are closer to the Constitution, it is only natural that I will side with them more.

What I did say:

“I don’t pretend that one side is any better than the other side when it comes to such matters.”

In this case, such matters were accusations without any supporting evidence and the political hit jobs and conspiracy theories you were going on about.

Posted by: kctim at December 7, 2017 5:44 PM
Comment #422240

“Spies, Traitors, Nazi’s, Fascists, and more are just a few names being given to men and women who do nothing more than disagree with Liberals…”

Snort. Manafort and Gates, the #1 and #2 guys in the Trup Campaign, were not indicted on 12 counts because they disagreed with somebody. They engaged in money laundering for a pro-Russian faction to the tune of $75 million.

Flynn did not plead guilty to lying to the FBI because he disagreed with someone. He lied about his conversation with the Russian Ambassador and he got caught. Lock him up!

It gets worse for Flynn. Yesterday it was revealed Flynn was texting during the Inauguration at 12:11, literally 11 minutes into the new presidency. He was texting his business partner that sanctions with Russia could be “ripped up” and they were now “good to go” pursuing a nuclear power deal in the Middle East with the Russians, one that would make them all rich.

He was crooked as a corkscrew. He was a crook, and he betrayed his country for personal and political gain.

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2017 6:58 PM
Comment #422241

Once again our Pal phx8 gets shivers when reading false news about General Flynn. We know it is false as he fails to link to a credible source.

Flynn pled guilty to “lying” to the FBI. That’s it Pal. Bill Clinton lied under oath too.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 7, 2017 7:12 PM
Comment #422242

http://www.newsweek.com/flynn-russia-middle-east-nuclear-trump-mueller-congress-cummings-gowdy-740136

This story appeared on virtually every major outlet.

Posted by: phx8 at December 7, 2017 7:19 PM
Comment #422243

So let me get this straight phx8, The Trump administration ran on “draining the swamp”. Our populist conservative friends here on WB were wetting themselves over this administration cleaning up the government, or in conservative speak cleaning up Washington. And while this wetting was going on one of the first Trump appointees was making him and his pals rich by jumping into bed with Russia oligarchs?

And Royal is all butt hurt because this crew was wrongly called out because they disagreed with liberals socialist and communist! Well Royal answer me this, Why do you think these actions are so damn good for the country. How does this contribute to draining the swamp? IMHO it is filling the swamp with the worst kind of scum.

I mean my gosh Royal you make these guys sound as if they are innocent of everything but disagreeing with liberals , socialist and communist. Even worse you seem to be defaulting to the nonsensical “fake news” drivel of conservative followers. well that and blaming it on liberal leaders as if they coerced these guys into doing this stuff.

This is some sad stuff here conservatives. You guys tripping over your d**ks coming up with these flimsy excuses for these hairballs. What has happened to you guys? Have you sold your soul to the devil just to get rid of Obama?

Posted by: j2t2 at December 7, 2017 9:29 PM
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“I don’t pretend that one side is any better than the other side when it comes to such matters.”

Oh come on kctim stop being so humble. Your side, the conservatives you claim are closer to the constitution, went for decades without anything, no charges on Obama, no charges on Hillary and the one lying to Congress charge against Bill. Nothing but myths misinformation half truths and outright lies. The dems cannot hold a candle to such a mockery of the constitution. And it appears as if the claims of false accusations neo-Nazis, fascist, and conservatives make against liberals, socialist and communist are turning out to be bogus.

You don’t have to pretend it seems. You guys are much better at it than the dems.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 7, 2017 9:40 PM
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Sigh.
Ok J2, please try to follow.

On this sexual harassment and assault BS going on right now, people from both sides are dropping like flies.

People on both sides have their conspiracy theories.
That is why you see me commenting on things like the ACA, but not on where Obama was born or him being muslim.
That is why you see me commenting on Hillary’s lies and her illegal use of a private server, but not on Whitewater or Benghazi.
That is why you see me commenting on Bill’s perjury, but not him using the UN to take over.

The only difference between the two sides on such matters is that the left has now embraced their fringe as their new mainstream, and the right has kept their fringe out on the edges where they belong.

“And it appears as if the claims of false accusations neo-Nazis, fascist, and conservatives make against liberals, socialist and communist are turning out to be bogus.”

When you learn what actual fascism and an actual nazi are, J2, maybe then we can discuss how ridiculous the ‘right = fascism’ rhetoric truly is.

Posted by: kctim at December 8, 2017 10:00 AM
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The only difference between the two sides on such matters is that the left has now embraced their fringe as their new mainstream, and the right has kept their fringe out on the edges where they belong.

I have to disagree kctim. First the sheer numbers and the absurdity of most of false accusations by conservatives against Hillary, Bill and Obama separates them from the dems. Second comparing the ongoing Russian investigation to any of the conservative conspiracies is incredibly misleading. Even the email scandal of Hillary Clinton isn’t in the league of the Trump/Russian collusion. It is more in the league of the Powell email problem.

When it comes to embracing the fringe I have to laugh, Trump is president wouldn’t you consider that embracing the fringe? Trump has united the populist and the nationalist in the repub party with his anti-establishment rhetoric. H**l kctim, these guys are even embracing the Russians and Putin’s oligarchy. Yet he appears ready to sign off on the billionaires relief tax plan which is as establishment as it gets.

As far as the dems are you suggesting the dems are embracing the anti-fa, anarchist, fringe? IMHO this sounds like a conspiracy theory from the repubs. But hey what do I know, please enlighten me.

When you learn what actual fascism and an actual nazi are, J2, maybe then we can discuss how ridiculous the ‘right = fascism’ rhetoric truly is.

Kinda like when you guys learn about the differences between what liberalism and democratic socialism and socialism and communism actually are…right? But make no mistake fascism is right wing not left. As far as the neo-Nazi we can see what they are in this country and around the world. What we know is they are a right wing ideology as well.

Posted by: j2t2 at December 8, 2017 2:13 PM
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I have some headlines to share also phx8.

From A Legal Perspective, Mueller’s Investigation is Dead. Here’s Why

“In short, Mueller’s anti-Trump investigation is effectively dead (unless his targets’ lawyers are nincompoops). And, ironically, this is all the fault of Strzok and his mistress who wanted to help “Crooked Hillary” and target Trump. How do you like ‘dem apples?”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/07/from-a-legal-perspective-muellers-investigation-is-dead-heres-why/

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 8, 2017 4:40 PM
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BREAKING NEWS

Sources say FBI agents tasked with fighting organized crime are said to have an “Anti-Mafia” bias.

Sources say FBI agents who linked Timothy McVeigh to the Oklahoma City Bombing are said to have an “Anti-Terrorism” bias.

Sources say FBI agents fighting drug cartels are said to have an “Anti-narcotic” bias.

Sources say FBI agents have an “anti-criminal” bias. What a horror!

Looks like all these FBI efforts are dead in light of these “biases”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 8, 2017 4:54 PM
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Panic spreads among Trump supporters.

The Pew approval rating for Trump clocked in at 32%, the lowest yet for that poll.

The “coffee boy” who who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI is coming out with a tell-all book. As Scooby Doo would say, “Roh-Roh!” His fiancée gave an interview about what Papadopolous knows, and it looks like Flynn, Bannon, Rick Dearborn, and Clovis are all implicated. Not only that, but as we already saw from the agreement, Papadopolous liked using e-mail, so there is proof.

And if Mueller approved publicizing this book, then we may be a lot closer to the end than most people realized. That explains the panic among Trump supporters, and the attacks on Mueller, the DOJ, the FBI, the intelligence community, the free press, and the judiciary.

Combine a 32% approval rating and the very real possibility that Moore will win next week, a guy that Trump has publicly endorsed, a guy who has been credibly accused of sexual assaults against 14 and 16 year old girls, and now he is being endorsed by a president who bragged on tape about sexually assaulting women, and it looks like the Titanic is sinking.

The tax bill just makes things worse. In Oregon, there is one Republican congressman, and he is being asked why this supposed ‘tax cut’ is going to result in almost everyone in Oregon paying higher taxes.

Posted by: phx8 at December 8, 2017 5:20 PM
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Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH) Drops a MOAB on Trump-Hating FBI Agent Peter Strzok

“Let’s remember a couple of things about the dossier,” he said. “The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign, which we now know were one and the same, paid the law firm who paid Fusion GPS who paid Christopher Steele who then paid Russians to put together a report that we call a dossier full of all kinds of fake news, National Enquirer garbage and it’s been reported that this dossier was all dressed up by the FBI, taken to the FISA court and presented as a legitimate intelligence document — that it became the basis for a warrant to spy on Americans.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 8, 2017 5:43 PM
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Royal Flush,

Keep on beating that Strzok horse, it’s the only thing you guys have left to do. Never mind the fact that Mueller had him removed the instant the appearance of impropriety manifested itself (regardless of whether any compromise actually occurred). It is funny how the Steele dossier is all you want to talk about, which is quite a turn from your attitude 10 months ago. We’ve gone beyond Steele’s work now; reams of financial records indict the crooked businesses run by Trump’s inner circle. Meanwhile, Mueller & Congress will keep up the long and arduous work of piecing together the evidence to figure out what exactly happened last year.

Anyhow, the truth will set you free. Just wait patiently and relax instead of grasping for straws and reaching ridiculous conclusions. The facts will come out on their own.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 8, 2017 6:25 PM
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Hmmm…my great Pal Warren seems to equate my linking to an article with “grasping for straws”.

OH, Well, we all know about Warren and “straws”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 8, 2017 6:35 PM
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Here’s is more proof that the “Chuckles News Network” is hardly a reliable news source.

“If the Washington Post is correct, then the whole CNN story was fundamentally wrong and misleading,” said Glenn Greenwald, a journalist with The Intercept.

Chuck Ross, a reporter for The Daily Caller, tweeted that “the CNN screw up is worse than the Brian Ross screw up,” referring to an incorrect report last week on Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn from Ross, an ABC News investigative reporter whom the network has since suspended.

“As I write this, this story is still up on CNN’s website, even though the date in it is wrong,” said Brit Hume, a Fox News political analyst. “The email was not sent until 10 days later, after the Wikileaks documents were already public.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-trump-russia-emails-wikileaks-2017-12

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 8, 2017 6:57 PM
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From the Columbia Journalism Review:

During their Watergate reporting, Woodward and Bernstein committed two critical mistakes. The latter almost completely derailed their work. Their first mistake came on October 6, 1973 when they wrongly accused three men of receiving information resulting from illegal wiretaps placed in Democratic Party headquarters prior to the famous burglary.

40 years later, Woodward & Bernstein are vaulted American heroes and Richard Nixon is a disgraced President. I would not lean to heavily on the revelation of an occasional mistake. History only considers the bigger picture and this will be determined by the truth of what Trump and his associated did and did not do.

Posted by: Warren Porter at December 9, 2017 8:03 AM
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“Truth”, Warren writes he desires “Truth”.

What an astonishing statement considering all the lies and cover-ups committed by the Clinton’s that seem to go unnoticed by our Pal.

Warren Porter usually finds excuses for the unsavory actions of his party leaders. That’s OK, I don’t care. Just don’t expect me to slap you on the back when lies are printed about the political leaders I admire.

Mueller and his unsavory Pal Comey are going down…soon. Honest Americans will not tolerate investigations that have been proven to be biased.

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 9, 2017 2:52 PM
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The media’s Russia probe meltdown: 3 screw-ups in one week

The misses

1.Flynn’s testimony: Last Friday, ABC News reported that former national security advisor Michael Flynn was prepared to testify that President Trump, while still a candidate, directed him to contact Russian officials. But later in the day, the network issued a “clarification” that the direction came when Trump was president-elect.

2.Deutsche Bank subpoena: The WSJ defused that bombshell in a follow-up report stating that the subpoenas actually dealt with “people or entities close to Mr. Trump.”


3.WikiLeaks emails: CNN reported incorrect date.

https://www.axios.com/the-medias-russia-probe-meltdown-3-screw-ups-in-one-week-2515978886.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at December 9, 2017 3:26 PM
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