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You All Have Really Let Me Down

I purposely split the same subject into two separate posts as an experiment to see who would choose which.

I thought the left would choose the politically oriented post full of assumptions and innuendo and opinion that bashes Trump. I thought the right would gravitate toward the post that asks questions and states facts and asked for answers. But what have all of you done? You've all chosen to jump on the political, superficial, mud slinging, post and ignored the post that stated facts and questioned motives. When are all of you going to realize your stupid, political, back and forth, bovine excrement is pointless?

You all should be ashamed of yourselves. The left for focusing solely on how you can damage a sitting president with baseless harping, and the right for humoring them.

Posted by Weary_Willie at October 23, 2017 7:07 PM
Comments
Comment #420955

WW,
One article that no one was beneath a similar one, so naturally everyone will post on the topmost article. furthermore, the second column links two FOX articles, and you posted a comment from American Thinker espousing a conspiracy theory about uranium.

Niger is a relatively small producer of uranium, and several countries have developed mines there, including Japan, South Korea, and China. American troops are not posted near the mines- most are concentrated at a drone base in Agadez and for protection of the US embassy in the capital, Niamey. There are a small number of troops near the Mali-Niger border to assist in the fight against Muslim radicals. Air support is far away. It took French fighters an hour just to reach the scene of the recent ambush.

The major producers of Uranium are, in order, Australia, Kazakhstan, Russia, Canada, and South Africa. Niger ranks roughly 6th in worldwide production.

As for the political fight, Trump brought that on himself. First, he failed to acknowledge the loss of troops for 12 days. When called on it, he said terrible things about Obama and past presidents. He dragged his CoS into it, and General Kelly told lies about a Congresswoman who knew the grieving family personally and was in the car at the time. There was a video of what the Congresswoman said, and Kelly flat out lied about her.

As I said in another column, the feelings of that family were pretty raw when they got in the car. Just minutes before, they found out it would be a closed casket and they would not be allowed to see their son. Perhaps they misinterpreted Trump’s tone. Perhaps not. Trump has said a lot of truly terrible things in public about other people. The gracious thing would have been to give a heartfelt apology and say he was misunderstood.

But not Trump.

He went on the attack. And he kept attacking. He was still at it this morning with another unnecessary tweet. No one is baselessly attacking Trump. Most people are just appalled. Most have enough empathy to give a grieving family, a pregnant mother, and a mentor who was a Congresswoman, to overlook things they might say.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2017 8:15 PM
Comment #420957

I’m glad Trump doesn’t apologize. I’m really getting sick of people apologizing at the drop of a hat. Enough already. If Trump apologized he would be getting 10 times worse. We know how it works, phx8.

100 US Military Personnel Deployed to Niger

The U.S. and Niger signed agreement last month spelling out legal protections and obligations of Americans who might operate from the African nation. But U.S. officials declined at the time to discuss specific plans for a military presence in Niger.

This was in Feb, 2013. You’d think the U.S. and France would make short work out of insurgents in that part of the world. What’s taking so long that we still have troops there, more troops (up to 1000), 4 years later?


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2017 9:30 PM
Comment #420958

By the way, your explanation for choosing the bitch session over facts is weak. I really think this bunch of crotchety curmudgeons would rather point their canes at each other and carp about minutia instead of discussing facts and solutions.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2017 9:46 PM
Comment #420959

Niger is outside most people’s wheelhouse. I only happen to know about it because I collect stamps, I like French colonials, and have a decent Niger collection.

There have been several horrific terrorist attacks in the Sahel region recently, usually targeting hotels. In addition, Boko Haram is in northern Nigeria. Normally the French would take care of security and military matters in that region, but obviously we are working with the French. The drone base & airbase in Agadez is centrally located in North Africa. Since US military drones can stay airborne for 40 hours, a centrally located base could cover a lot of ground.

As for making short work of Islamic radicals, it is a remote and very poor part of the world. Governments barely function. Hi tech warfare against people who have comparatively primitive technologies and do not share language or cultural values makes it difficult to control them. The situation resembles Afghanistan and Yemen, only more so. Radicals may call themselves Al Qaida or some version of ISIS, but as long as they can be kept away from the cities and not be allowed to train on a large scale, it is about the best we can do.

Same goes for the Fremen of Arrakis.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2017 10:35 PM
Comment #420961

It’s tragic what happens there, but is it our business? We’re backing the French. Why? Do the French need the resources in that area? Being 6th in the class of uranium mining is a very noble position. I didn’t see France or the U.S. in your list of uranium producers. You can call it a conspiracy theory, but that’s just avoiding the question.

Being there is more about protecting the uranium, in my opinion. The people there are concerned about our staying there indefinitely. Since we’ve been there for 4 years without a hint of leaving, perhaps this attack is a wake up call.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2017 11:47 PM
Comment #420962

France does not have uranium. The US has some, but not much. The major producers are Australia, Canada, Kazakhstan, and Russia. The US produces only 2.5% of the world’s total production. Uranium is used for nuclear weapons and nuclear power, but since the US does not want to use nuclear power in the future, there is very little demand for it, other than depleted uranium for ammo, & nukes.

We may have very little interest in Niger, but that doesn’t mean Islamic radicals (Al Qaida, ISIS, whatever you want to call them) have no interest in us, even ones from remote areas. Problems can come to us from abroad, as we found out on 9/11.

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2017 12:26 AM
Comment #420972

Sorry Weary, but Phx8 is right on this one. People will usually go to the newest post for discussion.

Personally, work has been non-stop busy for the past year. Been traveling my a** off. Also just completed building a new home. Most of the time, looking over the most current posts is all I have time for.

As far as Niger, it’s best to wait for the official investigation to be completed.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 10:19 AM
Comment #420977

ww”I’m glad Trump doesn’t apologize”

Then tRump shouldn’t be screwing everything up all the time.

Posted by: Dave at October 24, 2017 2:06 PM
Comment #420986

kctim, Why then, are you still commenting on the previous post? Doesn’t the comments you made today on the waste of time post contradict what you just said?

You’re right about waiting for the results of the investigation. It’s a shame that the time taken investigating is being used as a reason to bash Trump. It’s Damn the Investigation, full slander ahead! in that sorry excuse for commentary populating that post you are still commenting on.

I want to know why they were there in the first place. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 4:18 PM
Comment #420989

Weary, I am still commenting in the previous post because I have been in the office for the past two days and am able to do so. And out of respect for Dave and the time he is giving us here at WatchBlog.

Yes, it is a shame that people are trying to use this incident to bash President Trump, but that is how the political game is played.

As far as why they were there, apparently President Obama and his generals believed they were needed there and President Trump and his guys agreed.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 4:54 PM
Comment #420990

To do what? Countering terrorism is as cliche as war on crime. It doesn’t define anything. What’s the goal? Is it to protect France’s uranium investments? Are we there for what phx8 says, to control them?

Hi tech warfare against people who have comparatively primitive technologies and do not share language or cultural values makes it difficult to control them.

What did these 4 men lose their lives for?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 5:04 PM
Comment #420992

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/why-us-troops-niger-195013875.html

Not sure what you are looking for Weary, but I can accept training and surveillance as valid reasons.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 5:30 PM
Comment #420993

I’m trying to stay away from the partisan venom and pointless harping in the post featuring the W.Post article. Since the fact based article is being ignored I choose to spend my time educating myself as much as possible on the subject.

http://www.irinnews.org/report/98739/analysis-after-mali-niger-battles-secure-its-borders


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 7:45 PM
Comment #420994

Some of what was said in your link doesn’t mesh with other reports. Also, if there were dozens of missions like this one to lead them to believe there was no threat, why is the mission still a mystery to those charged with answering our questions?


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 7:48 PM
Comment #420995
I’m trying to stay away from the partisan venom and pointless harping in the post featuring the W.Post article. Since the fact based article is being ignored I choose to spend my time educating myself as much as possible on the subject.

Weary good to see you are talking the high road with the education. It would have been nice to see you taking the high road back in the Obama days, it would have been so much more a statement. I mean being a Trump supporter and now wanting to shy away from the partisan venom and pointless harping is…well it sounds like a self defense thing.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 24, 2017 9:36 PM
Comment #420996

For lack of a better description of that comment, I have to say it put words in my mouth.

I disagree with your request I take the high road with Obama. He was fundamentally counter productive to this country’s heritage and purpose, as is the Progressive movement and it’s horrendous results.

You thanked me for not believing Hillbilly was an epileptic patient who suffered seizures in public. I said she was exaggerating and you thanked me for that assessment. You failed to realize I associated that exaggeration with her ability to put on a facade. I knew she was counter to the American Dream as I see it, just as I saw it with Obama, and just as I see it with the Democratic party and the Progressive movement.

How do you know I didn’t educate myself during Obama’s reign? How do you know if I am the dunce you claim I am? I believe much of my content gets discounted as the ramblings of a drunken crank. I also know that opinion comes from someone who fails to consider anything counter to their own beliefs.

Did you see phx8’s reason why people didn’t comment on my first post? He considered the source instead of the content. He discounted the facts because he didn’t respect the provider.

Tell me something, j2t2. Why is agreeing with the left so much “more of a statement”? Why are all my statements wrong, according to the blue column? How does an independent column contribute to the blue and red column’s rutting ram imitation?


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 10:15 PM
Comment #421018

Weary I will rest my case based upon your last comment. I couldn’t think of anything more convincing than your own words.

I disagree with your request I take the high road with Obama.

I didn’t request anything, I simply stated your visit to the moral high road would have been more convincing when the opposition were in office.

You thanked me for not believing Hillbilly was an epileptic patient who suffered seizures in public

No…no I didn’t Weary, nothing of the sort. I mean talk about partisan venom and pointless harping your statement is textbook, I think your picture along with your statement should be in the dictionary next to partisan venom and pointless harping.

I said she was exaggerating and you thanked me for that assessment. You failed to realize I associated that exaggeration with her ability to put on a facade.

First why is it you can see the “exaggeration” in a Clinton statement yet not see the “exaggeration” outright lie, myth misinformation or half truth in a Trump statement? You would tell us Trump was so smart he was playing us yet you cannot say the same thing for Clinton.

How do you know I didn’t educate myself during Obama’s reign?
Because you blindly support Trump. It is painfully obvious to everyone but you it seems.
How do you know if I am the dunce you claim I am?

Strawman! I never claimed you to be a dunce, that is you projecting my friend. I don’t think you are a dunce at all. I think perhaps a bit gullible when it comes to Trump, well more than a bit. Earnest yet mislead. Fooled by the monied interests that determine how you vote. Belief that the rich will trickle down on you when we cut taxes again doesn’t make you a dunce it makes you a believer in myths. Belief in income inequality is because the rich work so much harder than us doesn’t make you a dunce it makes you misinformed.


I believe much of my content gets discounted as the ramblings of a drunken crank.

Hey if it weren’t for drunken cranks do you think Trump would have won the primaries? If no one else loves you Trump sure should. Your belief based opinions get discounted because they should.

I also know that opinion comes from someone who fails to consider anything counter to their own beliefs.

Those of us this is directed at Weary have opinions that differ from yours. We spew them out you spew yours out we toss them around and, unless you are overly sensitive, we all think about it a bit in the end. The difference I would say is our opinions are based on facts while the conservatives, yourself included. base their opinions on beliefs. Getting butthurt about your perception of what we think may indicate you need to rethink some of our opinions, IMHO.

Tell me something, j2t2. Why is agreeing with the left so much “more of a statement”?

You seem confused Weary, these are words you put in my mouth. But to answer I would suggest it is a difference between forming your opinion based on beliefs instead of facts. You conservatives are so emotional. You think with the heart not the head, at least not the bigger head.

Why are all my statements wrong, according to the blue column?

Ask them Weary. I can only reiterate what I have said, facts not beliefs. You can believe Trump isn’t a liar but facts prove otherwise.

How does an independent column contribute to the blue and red column’s rutting ram imitation?

Seems some of us are a bit emotional Weary, perhaps that could have something to do with converts to the green column who all of a sudden think right wingers like McCain, Corker and Flake are all of a sudden to far to the left for conservatives and the repub party.

The emotional issues they suffer have led them to believe Trump is the answer. It seems to cause these guys to believe Trump no matter what he says or does. While sad and damaging to the country (in a people of Germany in the early ‘30’s way) they say they love, it is amazing to watch these guys fall into march step so easy.

SO to sum up I would suggest you aren’t an independent despite thinking you are. You are controlled by the far right which, if you follow the money, is controlled by extremist not independents.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2017 11:48 AM
Comment #421020

The difference I would say is our opinions are based on facts? Then who’s opinions are you all posting on here?

You conservatives are so emotional? Well that sure explains their demands for safe spaces, whining about ‘cultural appropriation’ and ‘privilege,’ pretending to be the opposite s*x, and willingness to ignore immigration laws because ‘what about the children.’

LOL!

After the last 9 years, particularly this past year, I cannot believe that you would post such drivel J2.

Posted by: kctim at October 25, 2017 2:15 PM
Comment #421025
Then who’s opinions are you all posting on here?

Ours, say what you will but they are based on facts not propaganda or alternative facts or what someone like Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck or some other douche bag would have us believe.


After the last 9 years, particularly this past year, I cannot believe that you would post such drivel J2.

Hey kctim, you guys are all caught up in emotions when it comes to Trump. How else do you explain being fooled by lines such as “and Mexico will pay for the wall” or Ted Cruz’s father may have been involved in the Kennedy assassination? Certainly not facts or logic. Or “going to clean the swamp” and bringing in his kids to do the job. Where is the logic in this nepotism? Or the war on the media? Logical or emotional? Yep emotional.

While we are at it kctim, what is logical about Trumps base going into Berkely or C-ville and demanding to insult and degrade other human beings with racial slurs. Or taking the country back a hundred years or more? It is emotional not logical forces that drive these actions. Or the Oathkeepers trying to tell us they are upholding free speech rights for the neo-Nazis. When it is the people of the town fighting with the neo-Nazi’s not the government? It is emotions not logic that has taken over the conservative movement.

The list goes on kctim. You speak of some issues coming from college kids and try to tell me it is all liberals but it isn’t. On the other hand conservatives are as a group older and wiser in theory, (and in theory only I might add) yet it is emotion not logic driving the movement today.

Greed, envy, hatred are but a few of the emotions whirling around conservative/far right/ neo-Nazi/ nationalist circles these days since Trump won the electoral college and the presidency. Fear and sadness seem to be guiding many repubs as they watch Trump and his followers drive us into bankruptcy. As Trump goes after individual Senators and Congresspeople for not marching lockstep to his demands. Nothing logical there all pride and envy.

Trump and the conservatives dismantling the ACA without a plan! Emotion or logic? Hatred of Obama or a better idea to do nothing? Yeah kctim, it certainly has crept up on many conservatives but you just can’t deny it, emotions are the driving force in conservatism today.

Want me to keep going? “Alternative facts” from the WH! Logic or emotion? Bigger inaugration than ever before? Emotion or logic? H**L kctim, we are at the tip of the iceberg? Wanna get into the hatred for Hillary yet to this day? Logic or emotion? Gotta go …later

Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2017 7:55 PM
Comment #421036

J2,
Your entire post is based on nothing but emotional knee-jerk responses to stereotypes, propaganda and hyperbole. You literally are upset simply because others do not agree with your partisan interpretation of things.

The negative effects illegal aliens have on our country is fact and wanting to do something about them is logical. So logical that even democrats once supported taking action no that long ago.
Today’s leftists are angry because they place sympathy for the illegal aliens ahead of national security.

Only ‘the other side’ cares about campaign rhetoric.

People are indeed mad about entrenched politicians not doing the job they were elected to do, and also at the media for promoting partisan opinions as if it were fact, so I can agree with you here.
What’s funny though, is that you guys used to support the same things. Purging the party of the moderates who prevented you from getting govt healthcare, FOX this, Rush that. LOL

Trumps “base” is not going into places and demanding to insult and degrade other human beings with racial slurs. FFS.
There have always been a few fringe idiots wanting to gather and shout their nonsense, and like it or not, they have the same right as the communists, blm, panthers and nation of islam to do so.
Your anger at non-leftist opinions and your desire to silence them, are why you make such a ridiculous comparison.

The rejection of progressive policy is not an emotional desire to “take the country back a hundred years.” Making such a ridiculous claim out of anger and to instill fear into people, however, is.

“You speak of some issues coming from college kids and try to tell me it is all liberals but it isn’t.”

Unlike the few so-called neo nazis that you try to attribute to all on the right, there are tens of thousands of ‘college kids,’ millions of silent liberals who support them, and now numerous emotional rules and laws being made, that prove you wrong, J2.

“Greed, envy, hatred are but a few of the emotions…”

Then perhaps one day you will post facts, rather than talking-points, to support your claim?

“Trump and the conservatives dismantling the ACA without a plan! Emotion or logic?”

For those of us who support freedom of choice, logic.
For those who feel sorry for those without insurance, or those who don’t think it’s ‘fair,’ emotion.

“Want me to keep going?”

Keep going? He11, I’m waiting for you to stop using assumptions, talking-points and conspiracy theories, and start.

Posted by: kctim at October 26, 2017 10:57 AM
Comment #421038
Your entire post is based on nothing but emotional knee-jerk responses to stereotypes, propaganda and hyperbole.

Kctim. turning a blind eye to the conservative movement won’t help matters. In truth yes what I have described in my previous post is the reaction of conservatives to “emotional knee-jerk responses to stereotypes, propaganda and hyperbole”.

The negative effects illegal aliens have on our country is fact and wanting to do something about them is logical.

True kctim. What is emotional is what I said in my previous post,“and Mexico will pay for the wall”. Building the wall between the two countries is… how did …oh yeah….”nothing but emotional knee-jerk responses to stereotypes, propaganda and hyperbole.”

Trumps “base” is not going into places and demanding to insult and degrade other human beings with racial slurs. FFS.

Were it true my friend, were it true. The neo-Nazis have reared their heads because of Trump. He has played to them , encouraged them and supports their actions as has all the conservatives here on WB. They are his base as much as anyone else is. I understand your emotional response to this, I wouldn’t want that crowd on my side either. I understand you may be upset at these people, but what about the Oathkeepers, those that protected them from the even smaller antifa? Over the bogus free speech issue. You protect the neo-Nazi/Nationalist/Fascist/far right extremist part of Trumps base as does the rest of the conservatives here on WB, you justify them so yes Trumps base does go into places….to insult(Donald Trump, kctim, Donald Trump FFS)…. and degrade other human beings .

Then perhaps one day you will post facts, rather than talking-points, to support your claim?

You seem unable to accept facts kctim. you twist and turn them with alternative facts or as I say myths misinformation half truths and outright lies.

For those of us who support freedom of choice, logic. For those who feel sorry for those without insurance, or those who don’t think it’s ‘fair,’ emotion.

It isn’t logical to destroy a system without providing a means to support the system kctim it is emotional, make no mistake. Just as allowing insurance companies to profit by not insuring those that need it the most. It is logical to have a system of healthcare that works in a country of 350 million people. Proof? Ask the rest of the 1st world.

Keep going? He11, I’m waiting for you to stop using assumptions, talking-points and conspiracy theories, and start.

Which is as emotional of a response as anything I have seen, you kinda make my case kctim. Nothing factual in your response all emotional BS.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 26, 2017 12:26 PM
Comment #421040

J2,

The ‘conservative movement’ that you described is one of your own biased creation.

Wanting Mexico to help pay for our border security because they are unable or unwilling to handle the crisis themselves, is hardly based on emotion.

“The neo-Nazis have reared their heads because of Trump.”

They have been around for many many decades, J2. If you do a little research, you will find that they have had their little rallies pretty much under every President in recent memory.
They are only ‘a thing’ now because the left is trying to falsely associate the right with them in order to influence legislation and elections.

“He has played to them , encouraged them and supports their actions as has all the conservatives here on WB.”

If he had, you would be posting it instead of the baseless accusations you do.

“They are his base as much as anyone else is.”

There aren’t enough of them to be the base of anything, J2.

“I understand you may be upset at these people, but what about the Oathkeepers, those that protected them from the even smaller antifa?”

Upset with them? Their numbers are so small I don’t even think about them, J2. It would be a waste of my time.
As far as the 3%ers, one only has to look at what led up to them offering their protection. All across the country, leftists were showing up in much much greater numbers and attacking people and destroying property in order to silence. They praised socialism and communism, and condemned our country and burned our flag while doing so. THAT is when the 3%ers started showing up.
BTW: Your claim about an “even smaller antifa” is ridiculous.

“You protect the neo-Nazi/Nationalist/Fascist/far right extremist part of Trumps base as does the rest of the conservatives here on WB”

Nobody has done that and you can’t provide any proof that its been done. What has been said, and what the courts have all agreed on, is that even hate groups like the klan, neo-nazis, antifa and blm are entitled to free speech.

“You seem unable to accept facts kctim.”

As I have stated to you many times before, you must first provide an actual fact before making such a claim.

“It isn’t logical to destroy a system without providing a means to support the system”

Getting rid of the ACA will not “destroy” our health care system, J2. Wanting a relief from skyrocketing costs or the return of freedom of choice, are not because of emotion.

“Just as allowing insurance companies to profit by not insuring those that need it the most.”

A private company’s job IS to produce a profit, it HAS to in order to succeed. Not because of emotion.

“Which is as emotional of a response as anything I have seen…”

Then I have been wrong all along. The problem isn’t that you are just blindly partisan, you also can’t tell the difference between a factual response and one driven by emotion.

Posted by: kctim at October 26, 2017 4:27 PM
Comment #421082

Blaming the media is an emotional response kctim.

Demanding Mexico pay for a wall to separate the country is an emotional response to the problem.

Just as the Oathkeepers have responded emotionally to a faux free speech issue involving the extremist right wing hate groups so have you in defending their actions.

Because you deny the facts doesn’t mean the facts are any less factual. Trump is a a right wing populist president. So are many of these radical right hate groups. These groups feel empowered now that he is president, many of them consider themselves to be a part of his base.

I actually hope you are right when you tell us the antifa are more numerous than the over 700 radical right hate groups in this country. I doubt it but I wish it were true.

Again an emotional response based upon twisting what was said on healthcare. Nothing logical about a system in disarray because you don’t like who signed the bill into law.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2017 9:40 AM
Comment #421153

J2, your repeating it over and over doesn’t somehow make it true.
Yes, people see the media’s hypocrisy, double standards, dishonesty in their blatant attempts to influence public opinion, but they are p*ssed off because it’s true and can be proven.

Nobody is “demanding Mexico pay for a wall” in order to “separate the country.”

Physically attacking people and destroying property in order to silence groups that you disagree with IS a “free speech issue.” Individuals, police officers, and our Supreme Court have been protecting free speech for a long time now, and not as some kind of emotional based response.

We are not discussing what fringe groups “consider themselves,” we are discussing your false claim that Trump has “encouraged them and supports their actions as has all the conservatives here on WB.”
Fact: Fringe groups always rear their ugly heads when an administration comes into power that they agree or disagree with.

“I actually hope you are right when you tell us the antifa are more numerous than the over 700 radical right hate groups in this country. I doubt it but I wish it were true.”

According to the far-left SPLC
Fact:
193 - Total number of Black Separatist groups
130 - Total number of Ku Klux Klan groups.
99 - Total number of neo-nazi groups.
78 - Total number of racist skinheads.
Fact: There are more black separatist groups than any other racist group.
Fact: Your “700 radical right hate groups in this country” is made up of 663 so-called antigovernment ‘patriot’ groups who’s primary existence is due to distrust of government, not hate.
Fact: In a nation of 350 million people, the number of people involved with these groups is in the thousands, which is minuscule.
Fact: If the left didn’t need these silly groups as a political tool, they would still be the marginalized fringe that nobody cares about.

And your wish for there to be more anti American communists and socialists is sickening, J2. And your questioning their numbers is just flat out wrong.
All across the nation, thousands of antifa, blm and other far-leftists surround groups that number in the tens. Even on the rare occasion when they can get a couple hundred, they are still vastly outnumbered.

Disliking the ACA has nothing to do with who signed it. It is bad legislation that stripped away choice and hit the pocketbook, hard. Your desire to ‘help’ those you feel sorry for, and your inability to discuss it on the facts, is what is behind your need to dismiss it as racism.

Posted by: kctim at October 30, 2017 11:07 AM
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