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Everything We Know About What Happened In Niger

Everything we know about the Niger attack that left 4 U.S. soldiers dead

It took President Trump 12 days to speak publicly about a terrorist attack that left four American soldiers dead.

On Tuesday, Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.) said that Trump’s call to the widow of Sgt. La David T. Johnson was so insensitive it left her in tears.

Republicans and Democrats are calling for an investigation, and Wilson has called this "Mr. Trump's Benghazi."
U.S. troops arrived in 2013 to help the French military, which was running an operation against al-Qaeda in Mali. Then-President Barack Obama sent 150 service members to Niger's capital, Niamey, to set up a surveillance drone operation over Mali. Today, there are about 800 soldiers assisting in the fight against al-Qaeda, the Islamic State and Boko Haram, the Nigerian extremist militant group.
Apparently, a French military aircraft was on the scene within 30 minutes, but it didn't fire on the attackers. (There are different accounts as to why. Reuters reported that the fighting was happening at close quarters, so the French aircraft couldn't intervene. Others have said that Niger forbids airstrikes on its soil.)
But critics wonder whether enough precautions were taken. The troops were armed only with rifles and traveled in unarmored pickup trucks. There was no U.S. drone flying overhead to track the soldiers. French officials told Reuters they felt the U.S. military acted without enough intelligence or contingency planning.
"I think the administration has to be more clear about our role in Niger and our role in other areas in Africa and other parts of the globe," Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) told New York magazine. "They have to connect it to a strategy. They should do that. I think that the inattention to this issue is not acceptable."
Posted by Weary_Willie at October 22, 2017 12:15 AM
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Comment #420931

‘It made me cry’: Widow of slain soldier speaks out about Trump’s condolence call

Myeshia Johnson said on “Good Morning America” that she has “nothing to say” to President Trump after the controversial condolence call.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2017 10:09 AM
Comment #420936

Like the pledge and anthem, this honor will also become a victim of the leftists political agenda.

Sad how hate of those who believe different has led leftists to hate their own country and its culture and traditions.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2017 11:28 AM
Comment #420939

tRump: When talking to a gold start widow about her husbands death in combat: “I forgot your husbands name but he knew what he was getting into”
kctim: “leftists … hate their own country and its culture and traditions”

kctim appears to believe that the great American tradition he is defending is the right to demean our war dead and their families while unquestionably following his war dodging coward in chief.

Nice. Way to go.

Posted by: Dave at October 23, 2017 2:03 PM
Comment #420940

When was dodging I hope you all include Obama, and Clinton.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at October 23, 2017 2:42 PM
Comment #420941

The President of the United States called to offer condolences on behalf of the country, but instead of being appreciative of that action, the left would rather lie and make false assumptions about the supposed intent of the call, and call everybody names.

Thanks for providing an example of the silliness I was talking about, Dave.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2017 2:42 PM
Comment #420942

That’s WAR NOT was dang spell check

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at October 23, 2017 2:43 PM
Comment #420945

Does anyone, Left, Right, or Middle; believe that President Trump would purposely offend the family of a service member killed in duty?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2017 4:42 PM
Comment #420946

R. F. Nope!!!!

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at October 23, 2017 4:50 PM
Comment #420947
Does anyone, Left, Right, or Middle; believe that President Trump would purposely offend the family of a service member killed in duty?

Why not he would do it with living POW’s.

“He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured, I like people who weren’t captured”

Donald Trump speaking about John McCain.

Not only that, were it unintentional why wouldn’t he apologize immediately instead of lying and insulting others like he has?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2017 4:54 PM
Comment #420948

j2t2 offers a stunning belief about President Trump and his phone call of condolence.

Perhaps he could stoop even lower, and explain the reason behind the offensive behavior he believes President Trump deliberately perpetrated.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2017 5:12 PM
Comment #420949

j2, McCain is not a war hero, He killed many sailors on board the Forrestal by wet starting his plane. He collaborated with the enemy while captured. As far as the rhinestone cowgirl Wilson and Johnson’s wife, 4 men were killed and Johnson was the only one who had a vindictive Trump hating DEMOCRAT congresswoman riding with her and listening in on a presidential phone call. Afterwards runs to CNN, couldn’t have picked a better news source, to get her fake story out. Wilson who is known to hate the Military by her voting record, all of a sudden cozies up to this widow. This whole thing stinks to high heaven and not on the side of the Whitehouse.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 23, 2017 5:17 PM
Comment #420950
Perhaps he could stoop even lower,

You call facts “stooping lower” Royal? Trump said what I quoted, or do you deny that as well? Seems your foolish comment should be directed at Trump. If he would intentionally insult a POW in Congress why not the wife of a dead soldier and a Congresswomen on a phone call.

and explain the reason behind the offensive behavior he believes President Trump deliberately perpetrated.

Explain Trump! He’s your guy Royal. I would ask you to explain why after he lied on the issue you would still believe him. At what point does he lose credibility with you?

I also wonder why you would think the wife and the rest of the people listening to the call shouldn’t be believed.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2017 5:24 PM
Comment #420951

j2, how about those in the Oval Office while the call was made. Shouldn’t they be believed?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 23, 2017 5:27 PM
Comment #420952

“Explain Trump! He’s your guy Royal.”

OK, so you can not come up with any plausible reason for President Trump to deliberately use language which would add to the grief of the killed service members family.

That’s good j2t2; as there can not possibly be a reason.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2017 5:31 PM
Comment #420953
j2, how about those in the Oval Office while the call was made. Shouldn’t they be believed?

With their track record! You can’t be serious. The Trump WH has been a constant source of myth misinformation half truths and outright lies since day 1. They invented alternative facts so Trump could boast about the size of his inauguration KAP. The man and his administration just isn’t truthful nor honest nor credible.


OK, so you can not come up with any plausible reason for President Trump to deliberately use language which would add to the grief of the killed service members family.

Wow Royal really! Why would you ask me to guess why he would say something insulting? His track record speaks for itself. As I said ” I would ask you to explain why after he lied on the issue you would still believe him. At what point does he lose credibility with you?”

Instead you come up with this sorry bit of “conservative logic”. If you can’t tell me why then there cannot possible be a reason he did it. I’m to busy laughing at this childish logic to guess.

Were the man a real leader he would have put this to bed with an apology to the wife and family. He didn’t. Instead he drags it out day after day instead of showing his proof. The Gullibles eat it up and defend him. He lies and denies. You guys buy into it, so perhaps that is the reasoning behind his words and deeds. It keeps you believing it is someone else. You keep the division between the American people going when you buy into the lies and blame the rest of us for not buying in Royal.

Trump keeps it alive because he has a following as loyal as they are gullible. He thinks it will hurt the dems politically so he offends the dead black soldiers family and the black Congresswomen. Then he lies and denies and scores points with the racist right wing. You guys babble and shout about not being racist and put all that conservative logic to work fooling yourselves into obedience to Trump.

Like he said “I could shoot someone on 5th ave. and not lose votes”. You and your right wing nuts prove it daily. This is but one example.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2017 6:46 PM
Comment #420954

Finally, j2t2 gives us THE reason for why a sitting president of the United States and Commander in Chief of our armed forces would deliberately use words to cause further grief to the family of a service member killed in the line of duty.

He writes; “He thinks it will hurt the dems politically so he offends the dead black soldiers family and the black Congresswomen.”

Of course our Pal j2t2 neglects to understand that the president couldn’t possibly know that the congressperson would be listening to the converstation along with the widow on a cell phone in speaker mode. Even j2t2 should see that impossibility.

Secondly, notice that in his reasoning; j2t2 uses the word “black” twice. One can draw their own conclusion about j2t2’s meaning here.

Third, j2t2 believes that if the president can be shown to intentionaly add to the grief of the dead soldiers family, “it will hurt the dems politically.”

Huh…how does that work?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 23, 2017 7:08 PM
Comment #420960
Finally, j2t2 gives us THE reason for why a sitting president of the United States and Commander in Chief of our armed forces would deliberately use words to cause further grief to the family of a service member killed in the line of duty.

Royal seriously! Grasping at straws over this thing aren’t you? For starters, seeings you are this desperate, I didn’t give you THE anything. Secondly I didn’t neglect anything… but are you saying Trump is so foolish as to talk on a speakerphone to a car load of people without knowing it?

Secondly, notice that in his reasoning; j2t2 uses the word “black” twice. One can draw their own conclusion about j2t2’s meaning here.

It was pretty clear Royal you don;t really have to draw much, evenb you should be able to get it. Trump gets points with many of his followers for his white supremacist attitude. You seem to be saying Trump just isn’t smart enough to play to his base.


Third, j2t2 believes that if the president can be shown to intentionaly add to the grief of the dead soldiers family, “it will hurt the dems politically.”

Hey I know it sounds strange but you can’t make this stuff up Royal. It’s just your clouded thinking about what has been written that is confusing you. After all it is Trump that keeps the thing going not me or anyone else. Are you suggesting this won’t work with his base, when he tells them how the liberals are throwing up the race card , picking on him

Huh…how does that work?

Ask Trump Royal.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2017 11:11 PM
Comment #420968

Rick: Completely irrelevant and mildly humorous. I assume the russians don’t know that Obama turned 18 after the draft ended.
kctim: I, for one, a proud member of the political center, want to continue honoring our fallen. tRump has shown he cares more about lying than in actually giving a damn about anyone but himself. He called because he had to. If he actually honored our service men and women he would not have tried to belittle the Khan family and he would have remembered Sergeant La David Johnson’s name. tRump shames me and all decent human beings.

Posted by: Dave at October 24, 2017 8:59 AM
Comment #420970

Dave,

When the President of the United States calls the family of a fallen soldier, it is an honor. We don’t honor our fallen soldiers by using them as political footballs to try and take down those who simply disagree with leftist policy.

No, President Trump did not have to call this family. In fact, he was advised not to. He has called other families without such ridiculous claims being made.
If not for the hateful ramblings of this opportunistic congress chick, this young widow would have felt the same comfort as Mrs. De Alencar.

“tRump shames me and all decent human beings”

Then you need to turn off the TV and stop choking down all the hyperbole you are being force fed.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 9:58 AM
Comment #420971

“Trump gets points with many of his followers for his white supremacist attitude.”

1) Wouldn’t that mean that he loses points for his call to Mrs. De Alencar?

2) Are you guys ever going to provide any actual facts that support your claims of this “white supremacist attitude?”

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 10:03 AM
Comment #420976

kc; A call from the President should be an honor, but this president is not an honorable man. He is a bigoted malignant narcissist who does things only for himself. If he actually cared he would at least have remembered Sergeant La David Johnson’s name. But of course you believe it’s everyone else who is lying and exaggerating.
As for TV, I don’t really watch much. Things like GoT, Big Bang Theory for fiction; The American Experience for reality. Currently steeling myself for The Viet Nam War series. Your favorites are Infowars and Breitbart, can I assume?

Posted by: Dave at October 24, 2017 12:54 PM
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Sorry Dave, but your hate has you wrongly believing your opinions to be fact.
The President does not have to make these calls, IF he didn’t care he simply would choose not to make them. He has made these calls to other families and so far the only thing negative has come from the call where a hateful racist opportunist politician was listening in. It is beyond silly to assume that a President is not briefed on the incident and that the soldiers file is probably right in front of him when he makes these calls.

As far as TV, I only have antenna and mostly just use it to watch my local weather and traffic.
You can assume any thing you want in order to dismiss differing opinions or facts, but you would be wrong.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 2:07 PM
Comment #420981

After reading j2t2’s comments on President Trump regarding his conversation with the family of a killed military service member; our study group has concluded…

he doesn’t have to grow up. It’s OK for him to remain childish.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2017 3:42 PM
Comment #420982
…he doesn’t have to grow up. It’s OK for him to remain childish.

I disagree Royal, he can and does remain childish but it isn’t very presidential of him is it. Instead of a simple apology he lies and denies. Then he name calls those that respond to his childishness. IMHO he should grow up. Kinda like you and your study group.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 24, 2017 3:55 PM
Comment #420983

Have another tantrum j2t2, they are amusing.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2017 3:58 PM
Comment #420984

Fine! I wasn’t going to comment on this sad excuse for a discussion. I thought there would be more people interested in why we are in Niger in the first place. Since you all seem to want to speculate and rehash speculation, fine, I’ll speculate also.

How do we know? How do we know the Niger forces accompanying this unit didn’t turn on them? Have we heard from any survivors? I haven’t and I’ve been paying close attention to this story.
Does anyone know why this guy was in a closed casket? The angry congress ambulance chaser seems to think it’s Trump’s fault the casket is closed. Has anyone considered what an RPG could do to the human body? Perhaps there’s only a half filled pickle jar in that casket. How do you know otherwise?
Do any of you know why he was separated from his unit? Again, we haven’t heard from any of the survivors. How do we know this guy didn’t chicken out and start running when the firing started? They didn’t expect to get this. He could have simply panicked and ran. We’ll never find out if that is true, will we?
How do we know this ambulance chaser congresswoman didn’t accompany the widow simply because she wanted to make trouble for Trump? Many on the left have gone out of their way to try to embarrass Trump. Given the current atmosphere involving Trump and those who oppose him it is a distinct possibility she had every intention of using this episode politically, one way or another.

So, go ahead and waste your time speculating on this waste of time. Ignore the reasons those four men were there in the first place. Stay ignorant as best you can while you chatter and babble about something you’ll never be able to do anything about. Good luck using these people’s deaths as political bludgeons to get your way. It really makes you look “special”.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 4:04 PM
Comment #420985

Good news for my Lefty Pals.

Anguished Liberals Plan to ‘Scream Helplessly at the Sky’ on Anniversary of Trump Election

https://pjmedia.com/trending/anguished-liberals-plan-scream-helplessly-sky-anniversary-trump-election/

As I recall, following the election of President Trump, many of our liberal universities cancelled classes and testing; and even provided grief counselors to anguished students.

Liberals are such wimps. God help us if these people ever gain leadership positions in our government.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2017 4:13 PM
Comment #420987

timmer “your hate has you wrongly believing your opinions to be fact”
That’s called projection. I look at tRump and his followers more like non-aussie spiders on my daughters pillow. I’m pretty immune to bites and could get help in time if needed, much the same way i’m educated and have enough money to be an ex-pat if the problems he is causing become unmanageable. But I worry for her and have to respond aggressively to the threat he and his ilk represent. I don’t hate the spider, I just have to deal with it. I do hate nazis though. How about you? Do you hate nazis, or are they just misunderstood?

Posted by: Dave at October 24, 2017 4:27 PM
Comment #420988

They should come to WatchBlog. We do that 24/7/365.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 4:29 PM
Comment #420991

Projection indeed, Dave. No different than if I would have said you were an uncaring dishonorable bigoted malignant narcissist who does things only for himself.

So exactly what actual threat do Trump and his supporters represent?

“I do hate nazis though. How about you? Do you hate nazis, or are they just misunderstood?”

I have never met an actual nazi, Dave. Thankfully, they have been marginalized and pushed to the fringe by the American people.
Do I think they are misunderstood? No, they really are dirt-bags pushing antisemitism, racism and socialism. That’s why their ‘rallies’ are only in the tens.

Don’t fall for the ‘everybody who disagrees with left wing policy are nazis’ BS, Dave.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2017 5:22 PM
Comment #420997

I’m glad you disavow Nazis. The actual threats from tRump are every day laws and his department secretaries rules. DeVos protecting abusive for profit schools, Pence voting to prevent people from suing abusive credit card companies, tax cuts for billionaires like himself, $300mm no bid contracts to his interior secretary’s company, health insurance rates going up 26% next year because of his ACA ‘fix’, tRump using racist language and code words that encourage the racist and fascist fringes. On top of that, playing nuclear chicken with Kim, being so incompetent that the US is no longer respected as a world leader, and the list goes on. I’m really not confident this nation will ever regain the leadership role it’s had for the last 50 years. tRump is running us.

Posted by: Dave at October 24, 2017 10:58 PM
Comment #420998

*ruining

Posted by: Dave at October 24, 2017 10:59 PM
Comment #420999

Dave, You’ve accumulated quite an array of threats the Trump presidency poses. I don’t know if you have the ability to create posts on WatchBlog. If you don’t I would like to offer my services as an editor of the Independent Column to post multiple links to verify the assertions you made in your last comment.

I’m ready and willing to post the links that support the assertions you’ve made.

I am at your service, Dave.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 11:37 PM
Comment #421000

Don’t your realize, Dave, that if we don’t support Trump’s presidency now the world will never respect us again? If Trump fails the United States of America fails.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 24, 2017 11:44 PM
Comment #421017

Dave,

99.9% of Americans disavow actual fascism and nazis. The terms are only being used today to falsely associate everyone to the right of liberalism as evil.

Simple disagreement on school choice, supposed customer protections and taxes, in no way presents some kind of new threat to you.
No bid contracts have been a part of politics for decades now. They are no more of a threat today than they have ever been.
While the ACA is definitely a threat to our individual freedoms, it was already driving insurance rates WAY up and Trump is not to blame.

“tRump using racist language and code words that encourage the racist and fascist fringes.”

You will need to provide proof of this before I can comment on it.

“On top of that, playing nuclear chicken with Kim”

Kim is a ruthless dictator who is now using his newly acquired nuclear capabilities to bully and try to save his regime. This was predicted while Clinton, Bush and Obama were ignoring the gravity of the situation.
Yes, Trump is taking a harder stance with Kim and yes he could use better diplomacy to handle him. But to blame Trump for the inaction of previous administrations and the current actions of a ruthless dictator, is silly.

“being so incompetent that the US is no longer respected as a world leader”

Meh, many felt the exact same way with Obama and his push to rid the world of American exceptionalism.

“tRump is running us.”

Leftist policy has been ruining this country looooong before Trump even entered politics.

Posted by: kctim` at October 25, 2017 10:07 AM
Comment #421231

Sorry for the delayed reply, we had a family wedding last weekend and we’ve been hosting up to 8 out of town guests for the last week. (last 4 leave tomorrow)

kc; The polls say that 9% of Americans think it’s acceptable to hold nazi views. I find that deplorable and very concerning. I disagree with just about everything else you wrote as well :-)

Willie; I’ll take you up on that, but probably on a later thread.

Posted by: Dave at November 1, 2017 10:09 AM
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