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I agree with the way Trump is dealing with NK. I am hoping he will do the right thing and make the change that has been needed for decades.

IMO, it's an int'l crime to allow a dictator such as Kim to remain in power for decades and his father before him. The world shouldn't entertain these kind of folks for very long. This is 2020 and int'l communities/orgs are united/strong enough to deal with these types.

I base my opinion not so much on his threat to the US/Asia, but how he has governed NK. We've heard horrible stories coming out of there every since the Korean war. The millions of people living there have and are, being treated poorly to badly while the rest of the world has done better by a long shot.

This recent hiatus offers a turning point to rid the world of Kim's dictatorship.

Things to do: first, rally the UN and make sure China understands what is going down. Carry out a 1 month propaganda program to let the NK citizens know what is going down, how they can help, how they can protect themselves and so on - - - Give Kim a weeks notice to bail or else. Offer him exile somewhere.

Go from there with whatever it takes to get the hard core out, shock and awe and all that. Engage the two countries in trying to be one. It should be explained in the propaganda fliers that if there is a shooting war along the border it will be harder to reconcile the two countries.

Denuke and go from there. . .

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 11, 2017 4:36 PM
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Comment #419280

Roy, it all sounds good, except for a few problems.

1. The UN can never be depended upon to do the right thing. They will never seek to remove a blood thirsty dictator. So you can’t count on the UN for anything.

2. Secondly, it’s a sad situation in NK, but there comes a time when the residents have to sacrifice. When our country made a decision to stand against the King of England, it meant that people of means pledged their support and fortunes, and that those who were not rich had to put their lives on the line for freedom. It means people are going to die or live free. The people of NK have lived under this dictator so long that they have no idea what freedom means. Your literally looking at 4 generations of people who have never known freedom. We can’t comprehend that because we know what freedom is, and if pushed far enough, we would take up arms for freedom. They are a defeated people.

3. A months long propaganda means nothing, they would never believe the fliers because they are told by the government what to believe. Think of it like this; we have liberals on WB who have their heads stuck so far up the annul cavities of the communist drive by media and politicians, it would take a pure miracle for them to ever change their ideology. Multiply that by 100 and you see the situation in NK. Much like our leftist, they are unable to think for themselves.

4. The little fat dictator is a psycho. He thinks he’s a demigod. The only life he knows is ruling over the masses. My guess is that he believes he can honestly beat us in a war. Stop and think about this, which of his generals is going to tell him he can’t win? That would mean immediate execution.

The fastest way to take care of the situation is to cut off the head. It’s a small country and our spying technology ought to allow us to know where the fat boy is holed up. Take out his bunker and kill him.

Posted by: Blaine at August 11, 2017 5:17 PM
Comment #419285

Well said, Blaine. By the numbers: perhaps the UN won’t ‘do the right thing’ but, we can make the world aware of how the deal is going down, Just sit back, relax and watch the show.

They truly are a defeated people. The world should not sit by any longer and allow millions of humans to be treated thusly. If they get fliers and radios tuned to SK dropped in on them they will at least know to expect something. I would think a number of them speak some Chinese along that border. China could support a propaganda program or we could drop fliers in Chinese, Chinese radios and so on - - - Better to have China’s permission/participation but, not necessary.

Agree that the first shot should be to take out Kim. Should be easy. Just catch him on the parade ground. Immediately level all gov’t bldgs in the city.

Measure the response along the border for about 30 seconds. Then decide whether the fliers worked or not and go from there.

Blaine, I don’t believe you can end it by just taking out the top man. His puppets will unleash their military. But, it might be possible to destroy the city, telcom and all that, and create so much panic/uncertainty that the generals in the field just might take a 2 minute wait and see, then a 5 minute wait and see, and so on … they will have read the flier

But, even if it goes badly I believe this is time to take it on. We’ve got the President and cabinet to do it. We’ve got the weapons and military to do it.

I’m hopeful that most of the SK’s could exit for a couple of months, go underground, stick to the East side of the mountains and so on - - - to escape the bulk of a bombardment. Asian countries should allow SK’ers free pass to their countries for a time. Transport ships and planes could be provided by friendlies.

I just hope Trump will move on it and ‘git er dun’

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 11, 2017 6:12 PM
Comment #419287

I may be wrong, but it’s my understanding that the little fat dictator is the only one left in the Kim dynasty; since he had his brother murdered. With no one left to take the throne, it would come done to battle between the generals. So who knows what they would do.

Posted by: Blaine at August 11, 2017 6:49 PM
Comment #419289

Now we are going to save the North Koreans from another horrible dictator like we did with Sadaam Hussein. How did that work out? And Hussein didn’t really have any WMDs. We are not going to war because North Korea is a dictatorship.

This is madness. How the hell are the South Koreans supposed to “exit for a few months?” There are 26 million people living in and around Seoul.

The Chinese are not going to allow us to preemptively attack North Korea. I don’t think the South Koreans are going to agree either.

The North Koreans aren’t so stupid as to make a major military strike against the US.

The only winner in this Kabuki dance is going to be China.

Posted by: Rich at August 11, 2017 6:58 PM
Comment #419291

Roy and Blaine,

What do you guys think about military action in Venezuela? Trump thinks that it might be a real option.

Posted by: Rich at August 11, 2017 7:03 PM
Comment #419292

Rich, is Venezuela planning to attack us of a US territory? Or are we talking another leftist hypothetical? A gotcha moment.

The communist left are the only ones talking about a preemptive strike against NK.

Posted by: Blaine at August 11, 2017 7:34 PM
Comment #419293

Blaine,

Typical. Just move the goalposts from threat red lines to actual attacks. Who has ever doubted that we would retaliate if North Korea shot a missile at us? What’s new?

Posted by: Rich at August 11, 2017 7:40 PM
Comment #419294

“Polly want a qwacker”

Parroting the drive by media’s talking points.

Posted by: Blaine at August 11, 2017 8:04 PM
Comment #419295

Agree, Rich, that NK would never attack the US. He wants to be able to develop nukes which, when he gets an arsenal of them, he knows his dynasty is safe from all.

He wants to be able to test his nukes which is his rhetoric about throwing them out in the Pacific near Guam. Trump is saying, I think, ‘if you hit Guam your in trouble’.

I don’t believe we should allow NK to test/perfect their nukes. This would just solidify his dictatorship for years to come. Should he get knocked off or pass on, there will be someone to take his place and they will have to prove how tuff they are, as Kim has done.

Now is the time to end it. We, and the world are in a better position right now to ‘git er dun’. It won’t get any better, IMO.

Trump is talking with the Chinese this evening. I hope he is telling them that unless they want some hundreds of million starving in their streets they need to sit on their hands on this one…

China has done a great job helping NK with their nuke program. They feel safer with NK having nukes. It’s ‘rest of world’ 358 - NK 2.

This is the right time, let’s get to it…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 11, 2017 8:09 PM
Comment #419296

I’m sure China wouldn’t want Japan, SK, or Taiwan to have an arsenal of nukes and I’m sure Trump is reminding China of that.

Posted by: Blaine at August 11, 2017 8:18 PM
Comment #419297

“China has done a great job helping NK with their nuke program.”

It was Pakistan.

Posted by: Rich at August 11, 2017 8:32 PM
Comment #419298

I agree, Blaine, and, neither do we. We don’t want those relatively small countries possessing nukes. We should never have allowed Pakistan to develop them. And, we don’t want Iran to have them.

When Trump finishes up with NK he should move right on to Iran. Can you imagine what Israelis would feel like if Iran was allowed to have nukes.

IMO, the world will be a better place by not letting nukes spread beyond where they are today.

I hope Trump will expend the resources to develop US counter nuke capability to a point where nukes are rendered useless.

At this time, we need to stop NK in it’s effort to have nukes. We just need to do it in the most sensible and least harmful way for SK.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 11, 2017 8:48 PM
Comment #419299

The left always seems to oppose anything that guarantees our safety, but what really puzzles me is why the left was always so against developing a missile defense system. That, plus the fact they always want to cut the military and defense spending.

Posted by: Blaine at August 11, 2017 8:56 PM
Comment #419300

Rich, what I read relates that China helped Pakistan get the nuke and have/are helping NK. They think it is in their security interests to do so. We need to change their mind on that thinking.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 11, 2017 9:11 PM
Comment #419301

Roy, A Q Khan network.

Posted by: Rich at August 11, 2017 9:29 PM
Comment #419302

What we are seeing is what happens when a president has a 32% approval rating. Trump needs a war. Any war. North Korea? Anyone for the military option in Venezuela?

“The people are suffering and they are dying. We have many options for Venezuela including a possible military option if necessary.”

Posted by: phx8 at August 11, 2017 10:07 PM
Comment #419305

phx8, the coup leaders need to stick this POS in a straight jacket. He’s spending money on “his” properties all over the country, while thanking Putin for saving him money in russia. Maybe he wants to have a fake wrestling match with KJU.

Bloomberg and Forbes assess his net worth at a high figure because of all the unorthodox financing. He doesn’t own what he claims. As far as I can tell, “his” tower in Chicago is owned by Deutsche Bank.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 11, 2017 11:04 PM
Comment #419309
Trump is saying, I think, ‘if you hit Guam your in trouble’.

That is not what Trump said. Here’s the transcript (emphasis mine):

North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening beyond a normal state. And as I said, they will be met with fire, fury, and, frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before.

Trump warned North Korea that if they made another threat that they’d subjected to “fire and fury like the world has never seen”. North Korea promptly threatened to test a missile near Guam, crossing the line in the sand just drawn by our President. And now, North Korea has learned that Donald Trump doesn’t follow through on his threats. Trump has made the United States a paper tiger.

I predict that North Korea will not test its missiles near Guam as threatened and Trump’s supporters will hail it as a great victory, forgetting the tremendous damage to American credibility that we have just witnessed. We expect bluff and bluster from Kim Jong-Un, not our own side. Par for the course, his regime made a threat on Guam that it had zero intentions of ever carrying out. It should not be heralded as a miracle when it doesn’t.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 12, 2017 1:11 AM
Comment #419324

Warren Porter, when Trump speaks of the threat from NK, was he talking and the words or the deeds?

You say that Trump said, if NK made another threat it would be answered with “fire and fury”. The you say NK promptly threatened a missile test. But in the next paragraph you say, “I predict that NK will not test its missiles near Guam as threatened”. So is the threat by NK the spoken word or is it the act? I would understand the threat to be your second explanation of launching missiles near Guam.

The Obama administration showed itself to be weak. Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia established a base in Syria and sided with Assad, the red line in Syria, China created military bases on man made islands in the S China Sea, not to mention the influx of illegals from Central America through Mexico and the ramping up of ISIS and other terrorist groups, and Iran going ahead with their nuclear and missile buildup, with not a word from the Obama administration.

But this is what’s real; NK is ruled by the Kim Dynasty, who is responsible for the repression of a nation and the murder and imprisonment of millions of its citizens. He has spent the entire nations wealth on the development of nuclear weapons and an ICBM delivery system. Soon he will be able to reach urban areas in the continental US, which if hit, would crippled us. Your side of the isle has allowed this to happen with not even a thought of stopping him. Your side has also done everything within your power to block the creation of a missile defense system. We have just today heard the comments of Susan Rice, that nuclear weapons in the hands of NK is no big deal. I’m just wondering why any American should listen to anything your side says. So far, the democrats have created the volatile world we live in. But just out of curiosity, since you have so much to say about how Trump is handling this; tell us what you would do?

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 9:59 AM
Comment #419325

Warren Porter, seems we could/should knock down every missile Kim puts up with the caveat “it looked like it was heading for Guam”.

“Trump has made the United States a paper tiger”. I sincerely hope that’s the way Kim see’s it. I hope he will do something to start a regime change with unification. Trump could have it done before congress returns from vacation.

I can envision watching CNN videos of a smoking heap that was once ponyang.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 12, 2017 10:08 AM
Comment #419328

Roy Ellis, the left has never been able to figure out Trump. He’s not a politician, so the standard mold of the political class does not work. He’s a businessman who looks at accomplishing his goals logically, politicians (especially those on the left) don’t understand logic. Trump is a street smart scrapper; if you hit him, he hits back. How many politicians, on both sides, or drive by media types have we seen attack him, only to have him come back at them even harder. The left ALWAYS results to personal attacks when all else fails; Trump just hits back. The left has never experienced this. Trump has no respect for the drive by media; therefore he goes over their heads by tweeting directly to the American people. This makes the media irrelevant, which they can’t handle. The Democratic Party is all over the place as to why they lost. They just can’t wrap their minds around this; the drive by media was against him, Hollywood was against him, the polls were against him, the democrats were against him, and even republicans were against him. Yet he won!!! The left has cried he won the electoral but not the popular vote; well, guess what, the founding fathers wrote a constitution that did not allow urban areas to choose the president. It’s the voice of the entire nation and not just population centers.

I say all that to say this; yes, Trump is blusterous with nations like NK because that is what they understand. But the left cannot comprehend a US president talking to a foreign nation the same way they talk to us. The left is so stuck on themselves, they believe they are intelligent and everyone else is ignorant. The voice of the democrat party is the leaders, i.e. Schumer, Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and have you ever heard such ignorance as comes out of their mouths. The truly intelligent people of the Democratic Party are warning the party to get their act together. The foundation of the democrat party has always been socialism; but they always had a way of making their base believe the part was fighting for them. That’s all changed, the democrat party is no longer the party of blue collar workers, union workers, under privileged, or minority’s. They are now the party of gun grabbing, anti Christian, gays and lesbians, transgenders, Islamic terrorists, and illegals. Which is fine, if that’s what they want; but don’t expect the rest of America to follow them into oblivion. Of all the problems facing America and the world; senator Harris (the black woman out of California) who wants to run for president in 2020, is out there calling for bans on semi-automatic weapons. This is the face of the democrat party.

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 12:19 PM
Comment #419329

Agree Blaine. Obama and other presidents have had their idiosyncrasies. Some jokes and imitations were made about it,

It’s nothing more than the demoralized left, Trump haters, and never Trumpers latching on to any and everything they can place negative conotations around.

A good exemplar is this thing in charlottesville today. The MSM and left is all out of sorts because Trump hasn’t gone public with a statement.

IMO, Charlottesville started this thing, let them live with it. Doesn’t bother me a whit that the President hasn’t made a statement. You can’t own the President like he is your own personal cop/Sunday School Teacher and so on - - -

If Charlottesville doesn’t want the statue then work with the county/state to move it to the next county/state that would like to have it.

IMO, stop trying to revise history. Most people are proud of their history. There was way more to the civil war than just a war about slavery. I do agree that slavery was the fuel to ignite the war. It’s history. Leave it alone. 2017 and so on - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 12, 2017 1:28 PM
Comment #419332

Congressman Keith Ellison (D-MN) and also a Muslim, speaks for the democrat party when he stated first that SC Justice Gorsuch is an illegitimate Justice; then he goes on to say that the little fat dictator of NK is acting more responsible than President Trump. These clowns are the leaders of the democrat party.

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 2:57 PM
Comment #419334

Let us hope that most of the Dems don’t follow the advice of some of their wiser heads. Identity politics is all the rage with the rank and file Dems today. Hardly a post goes by when we don’t read a Warren Porter post that is all about this failing political ploy.

Hillary Clinton lost the election as she, and the party, attempted to persuade one group of Americans to despise another group of Americans.

President Trump ran a campaign on issues, rather than hate. He won, we’re glad. The Democrat Ship will be difficult to turn.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 12, 2017 3:54 PM
Comment #419335

True to form the MSM/dims have put a label on those protesting today. It’s the “white extremist” attacking the “counter protesters”. Since I agree with the ‘white extremist’ today I guess I am so labeled as there is no other label to select.

Could the ‘counter protesters’ not lay off a day and let the ‘white extremists’ have the streets?

Donald did speak, saying something like ‘be nice to each other’. Since he didn’t come out on the dim’s side he will surely feel their wrath for the coming years. This Xmas the kids can buy a plastic horse with Donald’s face being rode by David Duke, and so on …

I do so hope Trump will go for regime change in NK. China has put out a ‘Trump like’ statement of ‘be nice to each other’.

President Trump, please don’t allow NK to develop a nuke program…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 12, 2017 4:26 PM
Comment #419336

Toyal, there’s an article in the WSJ today by Mark Lilla (professor of humanities at Columbia) about exactly what you are talking about. There are liberals who understand the problem, but movements like BLM have taken the left in a direction they can’t return from. I disagree with everything this liberal professor espouses, but I have to agree he sees the problem where no libs on WB can see. The article explains about the loss of blue collar and union workers. There is an elitist attitude of liberals that tends to look down on anyone who disagrees with them. Since the blue collar and union workers work with their hands, once the left sensed losing them, the insults began and only drove them further from the Democratic Party.

“The Liberal Crackup”

“Liberals should reject the divisive, zero-sum politics of identity and find their way back to a unifying vision of the common good. ..

What’s more, nothing those presidents did while in office did much to reverse the rightward drift of American public opinion. Even when they vote for Democrats or support some of their policies, most Americans—including young people, women and minorities—reject the term “liberal.” And it isn’t hard to see why. They see us as aloof, elitist, out of touch…

The politics of identity has done nothing but strengthen the grip of the American right on our institutions.”

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 4:32 PM
Comment #419337

“President Trump, please don’t allow NK to develop a nuke program…”

Roy,

They already have. After renouncing the “Agreed Framework” in 2003, they resumed full time work on nuclear weapons. In 2006, they detonated their first test nuke. Yes, hard to believe, but it occurred during the administration of GW Bush and a Republican congress.

“There was way more to the civil war than just a war about slavery.”

Come on Roy, it was all about slavery and its economic importance to the South. The state rights and economic arguments simply reflect it’s fear that federal legislation or executive action by Lincoln would compel the southern states to abandon slavery and destroy it’s economy.

Posted by: Rich at August 12, 2017 5:06 PM
Comment #419338

In a Unite the Right rally- or should I say, Unite the White- a right wing terrorist attack resulted in one dead and 19 injured, once again proving that the Alt-Right/White Supremacist/White Nationalist movement is a bigger threat to Americans that ISIS.

This is the result of white identity politics.

Various videos show Nazi and Ku Klux Klan regalia prominently displayed in the Unite the Right rally, including am American Flag with a swastika superimposed over it. Nice. Funny how often the far right, Neo-Nazis, and Klan loudly proclaim their patriotism. We see that on WB too. The MSM is claiming these people from the Alt-Right do not represent America, but oh, they do. Yes they do. Those are Trump voters. As David Duke put it to Trump today:

“I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.”

Well, he was right about that.

Posted by: phx8 at August 12, 2017 5:22 PM
Comment #419339

“Funny how often the far right, Neo-Nazis, and Klan loudly proclaim their patriotism.”

We wonder what phx8 finds so “funny”. I never find the “far-Left” funny or patriotic.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 12, 2017 5:37 PM
Comment #419340

Here is RF talking about the previous president, based on erroneous reporting by FOX. It is important to remember the original assertion was debunked by reality and time, and yet, from sheer tribalism, partisanship, and who knows, maybe even racism based on the fact that Obama was black, here is what this WB ‘patriot’ said:

“This president is an absolute disgrace. His oath to protect America was uttered with crossed fingers. He has empowered and emboldened America’s enemies while amassing a small fortune for himself.

I will turn my back on this president should I ever encounter him.”

Trump refused to denounce the violence of the Klan, Neo-Nazis, and white supremacists. Your turn, RF. In the previous comment you attacked the left… for some reason. Can you condemn the far right? A protestor died. 19 others were injured. Those Unite the Right people were showing off their Klan and Neo-Nazi regalia. You down with that?

Posted by: phx8 at August 12, 2017 5:51 PM
Comment #419341

Read my comment #419339 again phx8. Can you not understand it?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 12, 2017 6:06 PM
Comment #419342

The sick mentality of democrats like some of the comments here are the very reason their party is losing members and elections. What kind of a twisted mind can sit around and come up with some of this reasoning?

The klan was organized by democrats.

David Duke was in the Nazi Party before he became a democrat before he ran on a republican ticket…so what is he?

I have no idea what’s going on in Charlottesville and I doubt anyone else does yet. But I do know that the left has a history of violent demonstrations, whether it’s BLM or any other Soros backed democrat group.

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 6:10 PM
Comment #419343

Question: “David Duke was in the Nazi Party before he became a democrat before he ran on a republican ticket…so what is he?”

Answer: A Trump supporter.

Blaine, sometimes you have to choose sides. Does the left have a history of violent demonstrations? Does the right?
Today you saw the Klan and Neo-Nazis in a Unite the Right march. They sported a lot of Neo-Nazi regalia and Klan symbols. They made it abundantly clear they represent the right wing. They are conservatives.

Are you O.K. with that?

Posted by: phx8 at August 12, 2017 6:41 PM
Comment #419344

Virginia’s governor and Charlottesville’s mayor came out and painted the demonstration as a conservative KKK neo nazi hate mongering gathering. The governor managed to suggest that Trump was their leader/benefactor and anybody that supported leaving the statue’s in place are -ist this and -ist that.

I’ll be glad to see this governor go. Revisionist - knock it off.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 12, 2017 7:16 PM
Comment #419345

Just came to me why the ‘counter protesters’ didn’t burn down Cha..ville. They realized that all the biz in that town is owned by dims. Still, I am surprised that didn’t smoke the place.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 12, 2017 7:33 PM
Comment #419346

There is nothing about the Klan or the Neo-Nazis that are part of the conservative movement. As I said before and you ignored, the Klan was founded by democrats and the Neo-Nazi movement had its beginnings in Socialism in the 30’s. You need to read history every once in a while. The Hitler Nazi platform was based upon the Democratic platform. Abortion, racism, homophobia, the elite race…these were all part of the democrat platform. Margaret Sanger, a democrat, attempted to phase out any race that was not pure, and she purposely went after blacks and mentally retarded, the same way Hitler went after Jews and the mentally retarded. It was democrats who blocked civil rights and it was republican votes that passed it. It was democrats that stood against women’s and black’s right to vote, not republicans. It was democrats that wanted to keep slavery and it was a republican president and republicans who fought for freedom. Sorry ph, history is against you. And lastly, after taking credit with revisionist history on civil rights, it was democrats who herded blacks into housing projects much like the democrats also herded the American Indians into reservations. The democrat party has a very dark and evil history.

You try to trap someone into answering a question built on a false premise. Just because someone uses the word “Right” does not mean they are conservative. The klan, neo-nazis, skinheads; whatever you want to call them; their roots are the democrat party. And yes, the democrats have a history of violence, not conservatives.

Study some history instead of just parroting what you hear or read from socialist sites.

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 7:43 PM
Comment #419347

Can someone explain why any group of azzholes protesting something must be associated with some political group or cause?

Nazi’s or Klansman do not represent me or any one I know. Do violent student protesters or violent BLM protestors represent anyone here on WatchBlog? When some political party, or elected official embraces these freaks, then tell me about it.

Why must we continue to be stupid about this crap? If someone commits an act of terrorism, does it make any real difference if that person is white, black, or Asian; Republican or Democrat; Christian or Muslim or Atheist?

People marching or protesting or doing violence in the street represent no one except those fools and criminals who join them.

Stop with this nonsense of pitting one American against another every time some damn fool does something outrageous the media describes as political.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 12, 2017 7:43 PM
Comment #419348

Hilbilly and Obama both support the BLM movement. They also supported the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 12, 2017 9:18 PM
Comment #419349

I hope the people of Virginia have had enough of this clown they have as a governor and get rid of him. His comments were disgusting and once again he is the face of the Democrat Party. He blames Trump for the riots and protesting of the KKK and nazis and more people left the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Blaine at August 12, 2017 9:44 PM
Comment #419350

Did the city father’s stage today’s event? If they gave a permit to protest why would they allow counter-protesters to share the day?

Why would counter-protesters show up expecting anything other than what happened?

Most amazing thing is the leftists didn’t break or burn anything as I am aware. This is novel.

There are a lot, a lot of folks who want confederate statues to remain. If a city wants them gone then make them available to some city that would take them.

A lot of folks aren’t taking this rewriting of history and taking down historical statues lightly. I’m hoping that the crowds will get larger every time a statue goes down.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 12, 2017 9:46 PM
Comment #419353
Could the ‘counter protesters’ not lay off a day and let the ‘white extremists’ have the streets?

Zeig Heil Roy. What would laying off a day accomplish? Look up the battle of Cable St. and you have your reason why the antifascist shouldn’t lay off the fascist.

There is nothing about the Klan or the Neo-Nazis that are part of the conservative movement.

Sure there is Blaine. Each and every self claimed conservative posting in this thread has either made excuses for the fascist neo-Nazis or agreed with them. The march itself was called “unite the right” which includes conservatives.

The Blood and Soil types identify as rural Americans as do conservatives judging from your comment “The left has cried he won the electoral but not the popular vote; well, guess what, the founding fathers wrote a constitution that did not allow urban areas to choose the president.”

All of you also share a love of Trump and his administration.

The conservative movement has continued to move farther and farther to the right, into fascism since the Reagan revolution, you just don’t realize it. I suspect you are so lost in your irrelevant historical “they did it to” idiocy.

Stop with this nonsense of pitting one American against another every time some damn fool does something outrageous the media describes as political.

Wow Royal had you said this when the BLM protestors were marching I would have congratulated you. Instead you wait until Trump supporters, emboldened with his victory, riot in the streets and kill people. Seems to me you are just diverting blame on this one. Tell you what the next time BLM protests lets here this same thing out of you.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 13, 2017 4:01 AM
Comment #419357

Let’s put this in perspective. These statutes in question honor generals who participated in a bloody rebellion against the US in defense of the right to practice slavery. Is there any doubt that this was treason for an immoral cause?

If people wish to retain some recognition of these generals for historical or other reasons, let them use private property or museums. The public squares maintained by the governments of the US and its states are not the place.

Posted by: Rich at August 13, 2017 10:24 AM
Comment #419358

The friends of right wing terrorists here are like someone else who didn’t know anything about these groups, but just happens to believe in the same things. They pander to these groups, and are now their political hostages.

They had previously made a fuss about these memorials in New Orleans, which was part of the Confederacy for about one year before it was re-occupied by the army and navy of The United States of America, where it has remained ever since.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 13, 2017 11:10 AM
Comment #419359

Seems reconciliation could come thru the vote. Let each city/jurisdiction vote as to whether people want to continue to pay taxes for the upkeep of the statues or place them on private property.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 13, 2017 12:22 PM
Comment #419360

The thing is with those statues and monuments to the confederacy is they represent HISTORY however cruel and inhuman OUR HISTORY was. Maybe they should all be transferred to the Smithsonian where they can open a new wing dedicated to this unfortunate event in our HISTORY.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 13, 2017 12:38 PM
Comment #419362

We have all of the socialists/communists out in droves trying with all their might to tie neo-nazis and skinheads to the conservative movement. Keep it up boys and we’ll see who is hurt. You go from one crisis to another. I’ll tell you what the everyday Americans out here in flyover country believe. They don’t see a bit of difference between the BLM, the anti-white, the neo-nazis, or the skinheads. They think they’re all part of the socialists/communists left of America. They think their all anti-American radical groups. They think the socialists media is corrupt and wrong to try to tie the presidency into this. They think President Trump gave a good message when he said both sides needs to stop and unite as Americans. They think the governor of Virginia stepped over the line when he tried to politicize an out of control event in his state. And lastly, the American people in flyover country would like to know how opposing socialists groups when given protest permits on the same day and in the same area. Knowing it would lead to trouble. Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Blaine at August 13, 2017 2:44 PM
Comment #419363

Your post is spot on, Blaine. C’ville’s mayor, Michael Signer is on the communist news network blaming President Trump for c’ville’ls problems.

In daydreaming I would like to see the blue coastal states forced out of the union at this point. But, that’s a fantasy I suppose.

But, we give thanks to God that Trump beat out Hillary. Slowly, slowly Trump’s appointee’s will be in place by the next election. More dims will lose in 2018/2020. More RHINO’s will be voted from office as well.

We will know when we are succeeding when Al Gore gets a real job, and so on - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 13, 2017 3:42 PM
Comment #419364

“I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.”
David Duke to Donald Trump

“Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate… on both sides! So he implied the antifa are haters. There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all. He said he loves us all. Also refused to answer a question about white nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”
Comment on the Daily Stormer

“Clearly President Trump is condemning the real haters: the SJW/Marxists who’ve attacked our guys.”
Comment, subreddit r/The_Donald

Hey, this guy sounds just like Blaine & Roy! The real problem is all those antifascist communists and socialists!

“Did Trump just denounce antifa?”
Richard Spencer, White Nationalist

“People saying he cucked are shills and kikes. He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.”
Andrew Anglin, founder of The Daily Stormer

Trump started his 2012 campaign promoting Birtherism, a fundamentally racist attack on Obama. The White Nationalists are behind him, and the Unite the Right rally means conservatives & Republicans will become united behind the White Nationalists.

Conservatives failed to denounce Birtherism. They willingly overlooked Trump’s 2016 campaign, which was full of bigotry, racism, misogyny, and xenophobia.

Conservatives have failed to disown this. That means they own it. And now it owns them.

And now that it owns them, it will take the GOP farther and farther into extremism, radicalism, and subsume the party in the tenets of White Nationalism.

Posted by: phx8 at August 13, 2017 4:15 PM
Comment #419365

We understand the mindset of phx8 and others who encourage and thrive on discord for political purposes.

The only political label that means much to me is Democratic Republic and The Constitution of the United States of America.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 13, 2017 4:30 PM
Comment #419366

Give it a rest ph. Either someone let’s him escape the home every now and then or he’s missing his meds, or he’s a plant on WB that is only here to slam Trump. Whatever…he’s half a bubble off.

Posted by: Blaine at August 13, 2017 5:33 PM
Comment #419367
I’ll tell you what the everyday Americans out here in flyover country believe. They don’t see a bit of difference between the BLM, the anti-white, the neo-nazis, or the skinheads. They think they’re all part of the socialists/communists left of America.

And that is due to the conservative movement Blaine, yet you would have us believe the lies you tell us. Yes many in flyover country are fooled by the talk radio conservatives and their propaganda campaign of the last two decades. This is why I keep bringing up the people of Germany it the late 1920’s and early 30’s and comparing them to the conservatives in flyover country of America today. They too were fooled by the propagandist of their time.

Of course you and I know it isn’t true and it wasn’t true back in Hitlers day. How do we know Blaine? Well it is easy- who fought the fascist and who supported the fascist? It really is that simple isn’t it, yet so many Americans choose to bury their heads and believe what the conservative movement leaders tell them to believe.

And lastly, the American people in flyover country would like to know how opposing socialists groups when given protest permits on the same day and in the same area. Knowing it would lead to trouble. Inquiring minds want to know.

And to Blaine goes the Joseph Goebbels award for the most twisted propaganda of the year. I mean he has earned it with this lie. Good God Blaine are you seriously suggesting the alt right, the “unite the right” guys are socialist! That it is socialist people fighting to keep the statues of confederate traitors in the town squares of America!

You cannot tell us to study history and then try to pass off the neo-Nazis as Socialist because the political party they took over early on had the word Socialist in it. The Socialist fought them in Spain, in England and in WWII.


But hey lets talk about today. Royal, Roy and You have bent over backwards, well you went even farther into twisting your head around in a circle ala poltergeist territory, defending the conservative groups inciting violence in C-ville this weekend. You guys have tried to distance Trump from the “alt-right” while the protestors have acknowledged they are the guys who got Trump elected. Why? Because you want to protect socialist! I doubt it, fool.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 13, 2017 5:46 PM
Comment #419368

“I keep bringing up the people of Germany it the late 1920’s and early 30’s and comparing them to the conservatives in flyover country of America today.”

Perhaps our Pal j2t2 can compare the economic, political and social conditions in Germany during this time frame, in comparison, or contrast, with conditions in the United States today.

If he can not do that without using labels, I am not interested.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 13, 2017 6:00 PM
Comment #419369

KAP, the only memorial to RELee that I would ever want to see is what Meigs intended. They should put a statue of him walking over the graves of soldiers in Arlington. He already had a University renamed after him, and a thousand or more streets. Maybe they should put a statue of Benedict Arnold next to him.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 13, 2017 6:37 PM
Comment #419370

Here’s some reading material for our Pal ohrealy to further his understanding of the political and legal arguments used by President Lincoln to justify war against the seceding Southern states. Draw your own conclusions as I shall not do that for you.

http://www.endusmilitarism.org/secession_condensed-with_notes.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 13, 2017 7:11 PM
Comment #419371


Virginia’s gov is out there saying how tuff gov officials should be on white supremes from Trump on down.

What about the 1st amendment? How ya gonna keep em down on the farm with the 1st amendment?

This c’ville thing looks biggly like it was staged. Who, in their right minds would let a permit to a protest group such as the WS represents, into their downtown, business area?

Who, in their right mind, would allow counter protesters to be bused in to congregate at the same time and same place as the WS group?

I suggest the whole thing was coordinated with the Va Gov on down to bring about clash. 700 police on hand, at the direction of C’ville’s mayor? Don’t think so. More like planning for a war. Tonight, Jim McKelway ? said the police let the fighting go. At one point the police pulled back from a fracas telling McKelway it was to dangerous.

No doubt in my mind that this was staged/directed for cause and effect exactly as we have seen. One more investigation that needs to be conducted by Congress. We want to see the emails/commo.

Despicable, but I don’t care much. Dim’s are quickly being marginalized to near nothing. Two more years to reach 0.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 13, 2017 8:39 PM
Comment #419372

HISTORY, ohrealy, HISTORY, it was our HISTORY however cruel and inhuman it was it is still our HISTORY. Just like all the other Wars we have been involved in that many of us would like to forget but can’t. You can’t deny our HISTORY ohrealy by hiding things away.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 13, 2017 8:56 PM
Comment #419373

By the way ohrealy, Benedict Arnold was also part of our HISTORY, even though he was a Traitor.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 13, 2017 8:59 PM
Comment #419374

Actually Royal I think you should do this yourself, it would be a good exercise for you. If I do it you conservatives wouldn’t believe me anyway. I would also look at the effectiveness of the propaganda used in Germany and compare it to the effectiveness of conservative propaganda of today.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 13, 2017 11:19 PM
Comment #419375
No doubt in my mind that this was staged/directed for cause and effect exactly as we have seen. One more investigation that needs to be conducted by Congress. We want to see the emails/commo.

Wow the denial is biggly in this one. Roy you ask about 1st amendment just before spouting this nonsense! The freedom to peacefully assemble is also a part of the 1st amendment. Trying to place blame for the murder and violence perpetrated by the neo-Nazi Fascist onto the dem Governor and Mayor or George Soros, some deep state, some alternative fact BS or whatever is pathetic. You guys are so far gone, no moral code, just blind allegiance to Trump and his fascist followers. BTW many in congress have a clue and have denounced the Nazi/Fascist marchers and the violence they perpetrate, so an investigation seems to be moot.

One of the tiki torch Nazis is also a leader in his local young republicans club! Another was identified and the company he works for fired him!

Here is what the Germans of today think of Nazis.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 2:23 AM
Comment #419376

Royal in your quest for the truth about the parallels between the 1930’s and todays conservatives I offer you this

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 2:51 AM
Comment #419377

I have yet to read a story which describes who started the violence. The closest I get to it was Nazis arrived to protest and counter-protesters arrived later.

Didn’t anyone being sprayed with urine see what side was spraying them? Or is this information being withheld on purpose?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 7:50 AM
Comment #419379

Why was the assembly determined to be unlawful before it started? If they had a permit it wasn’t illegal.

Why were they escorted out through the counter-protestors? It looked like they were being stalked by the left-protestors for many blocks while police stood by.

Why is the media vague about what started the melee?

Why did the left immediately hang this around Trump’s neck without any facts to back up their claims?

I’m going to give Roy Ellis’ comment some weight until I hear differently. I think there might be some truth to what he’s saying about this being orchestrated by city officials and law enforcement. The media’s vague reporting and constant claims of “only the right” ring hollow to me.


Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 9:05 AM
Comment #419380

Seriously Weary couldn’t you find a less reliable source for the propaganda than,a href=”http://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-are-the-most-and-the-least-trusted-news-sources-in-the-us-2017-08-03”>Breitbart! I didn’t think so.

Why were they escorted out through the counter-protestors? It looked like they were being stalked by the left-protestors for many blocks while police stood by.

If by they you mean Kessler or whatever then yes he was chased out on town and he deserved it. The police protected him from the anti-Fascist or he would have had to accept responsibility for his words and deeds. To think this punk would come into a decent moderate liberal city and create a riot then have his supporters use it as an excuse, just like you are doing, to run down people with a vehicle shows how effective the conservative propaganda is today.


Weary shouldn’t the question be when did the left immediately hang this around Trump’s neck without any facts to back up their claims? From what I have seen the tepid response from Trump to the murder is what he is responsible for. The lack of leadership is by not denouncing the killing is apparnet when you consider many in Congress did denounce these thugs. Creating excuses for the fascist/Nazi hate groups, which is what we also saw from the conservatives here on WB all weekend, isn’t leadership.

What a surprise Weary you giving Roy’s nonsense serious thought. I heard this Kessler or whatever and Jake Tepper from CNN met with the Gov. of VA, Obama and the Clintons to discuss how they could get this violence started as it was a slow news weekend. Some say Soros was there as well but because of his plastic surgery no one is sure, But Trump sent Trump jr to pass out “make America great again still” hats as part of the 2020 campaign.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 11:09 AM
Comment #419381

The NYPD said they would never have allowed these two groups to get together; and I find it interesting that these clashes are happening in the most liberal urban areas. I would like to know who told the police to stand down. Why were opposing groups allowed permits to protest in the same area? It appears to be a setup. Immediately the left came out blaming Trump for the protests. It was a democrat mayor and governor who allowed this to happen.

Secondly, none of these groups are tied to conservatives or to Trump. Both sides are leftist. The anti-fascist group and BLM are on one side and the white supremacist and the neo-nazis are on the other; but all the groups are part of the left. They all hate Christianity, they all hate Jews, they all hate capitalism, and they all separate America into groups. And to add to this, all these groups were started by democrats. Dinesh D’Souza, has a new book coming out called The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left. He gives three examples of how his book is true, the allegation here that the Nazis were able to take cues from the American left. The hard left, such as j2, ph, an Ohr, will immediately attack D’Souza as a liar and radical; but it doesn’t change his facts. In order to prove him wrong, the left will have to prove his facts wrong, which they can’t. So the attempt will be to discredit him.

These protests and the violence of the left is going to backfire on the democrats. They will lose more seats in politics. The American people are fed up with this crap; they know what’s going on. The American people are simply turning off and tuning out to what they say. It’s one crisis after another, all with the goal of taking out a sitting US President.

Posted by: Blaine at August 14, 2017 2:04 PM
Comment #419382

“Actually Royal I think you should do this yourself (compare 1930’s Germany with Conservatism in the United States today)”

What a cop out j2t2. You can’t make a valid comparison so you give me some BS. We know what you believe and it is simply nonsense. No one should bother to read your Nazi comments.

I find this quote in your link j2t2 which denies what you wrote…

“Even though these three factors no longer exist, similar problems lurk under the surface of modern political life, problems that could conceivably drive a resurgence of fascist movements.”

j2t2 fails in his history, fails in his assumptions about the Conservative movement today, and fails as a researcher.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 14, 2017 2:14 PM
Comment #419383

“These protests and the violence of the left is going to backfire on the democrats. They will lose more seats in politics.”

I agree wholeheartedly Blaine. Identity politics is not working well in gaining electoral victories for the Democrats. They have made everyone, except White males, victims of someone; or something.

Intelligent, voting Americans know this victim-hood nonsense is merely a ploy to pit Americans against each other in the hope that the Democrats will benefit from the anger and hate they generate.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 14, 2017 2:25 PM
Comment #419384

Blaine, man you are right there must be something up when these events take place in mostly liberal cities, it has to be Obama. or Soros, or Clinton, or CNN, or maybe just maybe… naw… this is to far fetched to be real… maybe it is because the Fascist/Nazis are targeting those cities. It is after all the fascist that start off by picking a place to hold the “unite the right” marches. It is an in your face thing with them as they like conservatives would prefer to see liberals branded now that there guy is in the WH. But that doesn’t mean that Obama or Soros or Clinton isn’t involved does it?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 3:33 PM
Comment #419385
What a cop out j2t2. You can’t make a valid comparison so you give me some BS.

It’s not a matter of can or cannot it is a matter of will not waste my time doing it at your request Royal, it’s like giving a monkey a machine gun IMHO.

I find this quote in your link j2t2 which denies what you wrote…

And you then go on to prove my point Royal. You find one comment out of the article and think you have your response…

j2t2 fails in his history, fails in his assumptions about the Conservative movement today, and fails as a researcher.

Royal so quick to judge, yet I noticed you didn’t bother to do anything for yourself other than making this foolish proclamation. Yet another reason I didn’t take the bait on your old line.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 5:06 PM
Comment #419386

j2t2 can’t back up his “Conservatives are like the Germans of the 1930” frequent statement; and in his humiliation, blames me for not doing my research.

I use j2t2’s own link to prove him incorrect and he lies about the rest of the article supposedly supporting his mistaken belief. Please provide the quote Pal.

We are not surprised at how pitiful are j2t2’s efforts to denounce American Conservatism. We will never again have to consider his nonsense about Nazi Germany. We will merely laugh at his persistent stupidity.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 14, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #419387

j2 is a silly person. He throws out names like Soros and Obama, trying to make a joke out of anything we would say. The fact is, and it is a FACT…Soros money is financing leftist violence protesters. If you study the history of Soros, you will find he is a Jew, who renounced his Jewish heritage and worked for the Nazi party during WWII. So it’s a FACT that we have a Nazi sympathizer who is financing hate groups, not only in America, but all around the world. Secondly, since you brought up Obama’s name, it was Obama who invited the violent hate group BLM to the WH. Obama praised BLM, we would he do that. The same violent group who called for the killing of the police. The anti-fascist group and BLM are as close as you can get to fascism.

I have no idea what j2 is referring to when making the idiotic comment about conservatives being like the Germans of the 1930’s. The Nazis and Hitler based their party platform on the platform of the Democratic Party. Based upon D’Souza’s research and book. The left trying to tie conservativism to Nazi fascism is beyond ridiculous.

Posted by: Blaine at August 14, 2017 7:50 PM
Comment #419388
j2t2 can’t back up his “Conservatives are like the Germans of the 1930” frequent statement; and in his humiliation, blames me for not doing my research.

But Royal you haven’t humiliated me at all. You act like this is the first time I have made this observation but it isn’t. I would like to fall for your straw man but I just don’t have the time. What I find is even though I explain the situation conservatives cannot see the similarities in their blind obedience to the movement propaganda and the Germans of the 30’s blind obedience to the Nazi propaganda. You guys think you are above it even as you defend and protect it.

I use j2t2’s own link to prove him incorrect and he lies about the rest of the article supposedly supporting his mistaken belief. Please provide the quote Pal.

I lied! Royal such twisting and turning, you did in fact find one comment and think you have your response you know. Look at what you are saying, everything I say is wrong because you took a couple of partial sentences out of context!
Further just because you highlighted a couple of comments you missed the point. SO I will highlight those for you ““Even though these three factors no longer exist, similar problems lurk under the surface of modern political life, problems that could conceivably drive a resurgence of fascist movements.”

It amazes me that you would think one article given to you in goodwill would cause you to believe it is the final answer to the question. It seems you do not have the integrity to give consideration to this concept Royal, you are to small minded to do anything but criticize the messenger.

We will never again have to consider his nonsense about Nazi Germany. We will merely laugh at his persistent stupidity.

Wanna bet Royal? We have Fascist and anti-Fascist fighting in the streets and each and every conservative here on WB has defended their right wing brethren the Neo-Nazi/Fascist. Defended them with far fetched conspiracy theories with no basis in reality. Yet it can’t happen here…right.


Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 8:03 PM
Comment #419389

Blaine, some of your post in this thread shows you are really up on much of our history. Most people, including myself, fer shure, don’t have a strong knowledge of our history.

And, even if one takes the time to search around, one has to be aware of where they are searching. There is so much left wing information, revised history and so on, that makes the true facts not so easy to come by.

I generally like to go with the majority flow. Like, I don’t give a whit what he -isms are protesting about. I do know that the general feeling in the mostly southern states are going to get in the streets if the statues start to come down. People are not fond of revisionist history as I an tell.

Unnecessary but, why do I think that way? When the war started some young men in north ga. found their way out to join the Union. Others went further back in the hills to hide away. Young men were rounded up and either volunteered or were forced to join. Often their commanders would take them far away from their home country so they were unlikely to run away. Some folks were pro slavery, others not.

But, the folks were proud of their menfolk who served and fought and died. Doesn’t matter when the statues went up, few in the southland want them taken down as they represent our history. These little isolated blue city gov’ts around the south are going to get it in their face if they persist, IMO.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 14, 2017 8:28 PM
Comment #419390

It’s obvious from your response to my observations that you haven’t seen the videos of what actually happened, j2t2. This person you refer to wasn’t strolling down the street, alone, waving a Nazi flag in one hand and the Stars and Bars in the other, jabbing at old ladies coming out of grocery stores.

These were people who, when their protest was deemed illegal even before it started, were told to disperse. They were told to disperse into a crowd of anti-protestors waving bats and other weapons. Both sides were armed and had defensive weapons, however the protesters were moving in a group out of the area and the anti-protestors were following them. They were intimidating them and on occasion attacking and beating them.

You obviously refuse to look and watch the facts, j2t2.

Why are the media grouping the 2 police killed in the accidental helicopter incident with the one fatality of the actual carnage? An objective report would separate the two, since the helicopter accident was simply that, and accident.

Or was it…?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 8:46 PM
Comment #419391

“If you study the history of Soros, you will find he is a Jew, who renounced his Jewish heritage and worked for the Nazi party during WWII.”

This is just a joke, right Blaine?


Posted by: Rich at August 14, 2017 9:19 PM
Comment #419392

I’d also disagree with your judgement against Trump. You’re trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill again. First you insist he didn’t come out fast enough. They you deride him for including all sides and not focusing only on the far-right.

It’s not going to work, j2t2. We’ve seen it before and this time it isn’t going to work. You were able to associate GWB with the failure during Hurricane Katrina because Bush wouldn’t respond. That’s not the case now. You would be best served by educating yourself with raw video on the ground, instead of listening to your one-sided propaganda outlets. With real facts you can avoid centering your argument around attacking the messenger and impugning the character of those with whom you disagree and actually have a cognitive discussion.


Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 9:31 PM
Comment #419393

This is the relevant portion of the transcript (from the 20 December 1998 broadcast of 60 Minutes):

Quote:
KROFT: (Voiceover) To understand the complexities and contradictions in his personality, you have to go back to the very beginning: to Budapest, where George Soros was born 68 years ago to parents who were wealthy, well-educated and Jewish.

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros’ father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)

KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros’ friends and neighbors.

(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) You’re a Hungarian Jew…

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

KROFT: (Voiceover) …who escaped the Holocaust…

(Vintage footage of women walking by train)

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.

(Vintage footage of people getting on train)

KROFT: (Voiceover) … by — by posing as a Christian.

Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.

(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)

KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that’s when my character was made.

KROFT: In what way?

Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and — and anticipate events and when — when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a — a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that’s — that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not — not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t — you don’t see the connection. But it was — it created no — no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

KROFT: For example that, ‘I’m Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.’ None of that?

Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c — I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets — that if I weren’t there — of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would — would — would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the — whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the — I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 9:39 PM
Comment #419394

It is ironic that all this violence is over removal of a statute of Robert E. Lee that the general would probably have never wanted in the first place.

According to a biography of Lee (“Lee, The Last Years”), the general wanted people to move on and reconcile after the war not romanticize the “lost cause.” His opinion about statutes was clear when he refused to contribute to a proposed statute for Stonewall Jackson. He said to a woman in Virginia proudly showing him a tree that she was keeping which had been badly damaged by union artillery “Cut it down, my dear madam, and forget it.” http://www.kentucky.com/living/religion/paul-prather/article167095637.html

Posted by: Rich at August 14, 2017 10:07 PM
Comment #419395

Good post WW. George Soros, by his own testimony has no conscience. Financing violence means nothing to him. Rich tries the usual leftist retaliation trying to make his opponent look like an idiot. But we see, it is rich who is ill informed. You will notice rich did not deny the facts, he simply made the comment, “This is just a joke, right Blaine?”

Either those on the left don’t want to know the truth, or they are in denial, or they’re just ignorant.

So now that we have established with facts that Soros roots are in the fascist Nazi movement, next we talk about the facts that Soros is financing these protest marches. Whether it’s BLM, the Wall Street protests, or the Antifa protests; all the protest movements are being financed AND manipulated by a Nazi. Then we have the other side. The side the leftist want to associate with conservativism. The KKK, the White Supremacist, or the Neo-Nazis; these are all fascist Nazi groups. So all sides are the same. They all follow the same doctrine. They all hate the same people. And they were all formed by democrats.

Posted by: Blaine at August 14, 2017 10:15 PM
Comment #419396

The left can justify violence because someone is standing in their way.

That’s all the protesters were doing. They wanted to save the monument. They didn’t want it destroyed. They went there to stand for what they believe and were met with suppression and intimidation and bodily harm. Their protest was canceled by the government before it even got a chance to start. No one inflamed any violence with hate speech because there wasn’t anything said!

It’s abundantly clear that the actions of the right go straight to the top when they happen. There’s fire and brimstone raining down from Capitol Hill when the right is to blame, but the left can encourage destruction of property, violence, rape and drug use, incitement to murder as tactics to get what they want without a peep of condemnation allowed to be said in the media.

Do you people on the left really believe you can so rudely dismiss (much the way j2t2 did when responding to my observations) half the people in this country and still expect them to bow to you?

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 10:41 PM
Comment #419397

All of this is the fault of the Progressive Movement. Their history started with Woodrow Wilson. That’s when they started calling our country a democracy.

They don’t consider history previous to that as relevant, so the statue must come down. Reconstruction must be reversed (logical conclusion), and the Southern States (defeated by Woodrow Wilson in The Great War) must be punished for it’s racist transgressions against humanity.

That’s the future of The United States of America if the left gets it’s way! Subjugate the Heartland to feed the Leftists on the Least and Worst Coasts.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 14, 2017 11:03 PM
Comment #419398

The dim pols in Va. had this thing planned for weeks.

Sad thing is, they will get a pass. No investigation, no inquiry, etc. The reps are basically in bed with the dims. Trump has to find some support from some quarter.

Maybe a good little civil war is in order. Might be worth it to get things straightened out. I thought Trump was a fighter. Starting to have reservations on that.

I guess we will have to live with this crap in the blue cities. But, if this stuff happens in a red city I would hope the cops would crack some bones and put a bunch of people in jail for a long while. Throw a bottle and do a year, and so on - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 14, 2017 11:24 PM
Comment #419399
j2 is a silly person.

And you Blaine are either a liar or so pathetically misinformed as to be a danger to yourself and others.


He throws out names like Soros and Obama, trying to make a joke out of anything we would say.

If it wasn’t a joke then it was lunacy that I responded to Blaine.

The fact is, and it is a FACT…Soros money is financing leftist violence protesters.

One can only hope that a Soros group did supply funds to Refuse Fascism Blaine. I would think this would be looked at as a good thing, these freedom fighters on the front lines of the battle against Fascism. Are you suggesting something is wrong with this?

If you study the history of Soros, you will find he is a Jew, who renounced his Jewish heritage and worked for the Nazi party during WWII. So it’s a FACT that we have a Nazi sympathizer who is financing hate groups, not only in America, but all around the world.

No Blaine it is a lie, a terribly pathetic lie you are repeating. We have been through this before on WB and you need to stop using the source of this information because it is a lie. This is despicable crap you are spreading Blaine.
https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2010/09/20/toronto-sun-corrects-soros-nazi-smear/170877

Secondly, since you brought up Obama’s name, it was Obama who invited the violent hate group BLM to the WH. Obama praised BLM, we would he do that. The same violent group who called for the killing of the police.

So we can’t blame Obama for all the neoNazi/Fascist violence this weekend! You guys are slipping Blaine, since when does facts matter to you when it comes to Obama?


The anti-fascist group and BLM are as close as you can get to fascism.

Nope Blaine wrong again, but I realize you are scapegoating others to protect the real Fascist on the one hand while denying conservatives lean towards fascism on the other hand without realizing it.

I have no idea what j2 is referring to when making the idiotic comment about conservatives being like the Germans of the 1930’s.

Which is symptomatic of conservatives in general Blaine. They think they are the defenders of freedom but have no idea they are being fooled. Just like many of the people of Germany in the late 1920’s and early 30’s. They swallow the conservative propaganda whole without a thought. BTW it seems Trump has promised many things Hitler promised and actually succeeded at before he decided on starting a world war.


The Nazis and Hitler based their party platform on the platform of the Democratic Party. Based upon D’Souza’s research and book.

You can do better than that Blaine. D’Souza is hardly unbiased and helps make the point, you guys will believe anything they tell you to believe. Ask yourself if once in power did the Nazis adhere to the the same platform. What pray tell does D’Souza say about that? Here is a 1924 dem platform for your perusal. Please try not to pull a Royal and find one half sentence to base your whole opinion on.

The left trying to tie conservativism to Nazi fascism is beyond ridiculous.

Blaine it isn’t such a leap, both are right wing ideologies despite your earlier denial nonsense. The difference lies within how far to the right you are willing to go. Unfortunately some conservatives seem to think the farther the better, there in lies the danger. Now that doesn’t mean we will see a repeat of what Hitler did.But we will, under Trump, drift into authoritarianism. It’s easier after all and Trump will go where his base takes him.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2017 11:28 PM
Comment #419400

Willie,

George Soros was a Jewish child trying to survive the Nazis. He wasn’t a Nazi nor was his family. Much appears to be made about a 60 Minute interview in which Soros declines to express any guilt about an incident where his bribed protector took him with him while he inventoried a Jewish estate. But, why should he? Soros wasn’t the person taking the property nor was he even actively participating in the process. He may have been a witness but that is very different than committing the act. Guilt requires a criminal act. Imposing guilt upon a survivor of Nazi atrocities seems cruel to me.

“The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper…. I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, “You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported.”[32][33]

Soros did not return to that job; his family purchased documents to say that they were Christians, thereby allowing them to survive the war. Later that year at age 14, Soros posed as the Christian godson of an official of the collaborationist Hungarian government’s Ministry of Agriculture, who himself had a Jewish wife in hiding. On one occasion, rather than leave the 14 year old alone, the official took Soros with him while he inventoried a rich Jewish family’s estate, though Soros did not take part. Tivadar [Soro’s father] not only saved his immediate family but also many other Hungarian Jews, and George would later write that 1944 had been “the happiest [year] of his life,” for it had given him the opportunity to witness his father’s heroism.[34][35] In 1945, Soros survived the Siege of Budapest in which Soviet and German forces fought house to house through the city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life_and_education

Posted by: Rich at August 14, 2017 11:53 PM
Comment #419402
George Soros, by his own testimony has no conscience.
Wrong again Blaine. He didn’t say he had no conscience. He said he didn’t take the stuff he didn’t feel guilty. No colluding with the enemy no lack of conscience admission, what is it with you? Are you trolling or lying? What would you have done Blaine. Would you have set idly by waiting transportation to the gas chamber? He was 14 his dad got him papers saying he was Christian and he went with the god father instead of being left on his own for 3 days. He didn’t collaborate with the enemy he hid within enemy territory. Unlike the, what was it 5 times, deferred from duty Trump. What would you do if you were in his shoes Blaine, feel guilty for making it through the holocaust?


Financing violence means nothing to him.

Fighting Fascism is dangerous work. Why are you against Soros for contributing to the anti-Fascist? Do you support the Neo-Nazi/Fascist, that are confronted by these people Soros supports, but are to chickens**t to admit it? Give Soros credit for taking a stand while you hide behind the false rhetoric of a troll.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2017 12:45 AM
Comment #419404

Anyone who can read about what people went through during WW2 to survive, and blame the victims, isn’t a neo-nazi, they’re just nazis.

This is a troll website. It became that when someone decided that anyone can write articles here, including trolls.

Posted by: ohrealy at August 15, 2017 1:18 AM
Comment #419405

I thought that conservatives would at least recognize the work that Soros has done since the collapse of the Soviet Union promoting democratic governments throughout the former Soviet states. He has also funded organizations on the African continent to advance and support developing democratic institutions. I don’t know of any fascist leaning organizations that he has helped. Ant-communist, anti-totalitarian, yes.

Posted by: Rich at August 15, 2017 2:08 AM
Comment #419408

It appears the left has contradicted themselves all over the place in the last few posts while trying to defend the evil fascist Soros. Soros is up to his eyeballs in financing these violent protest groups. Defend him all you want, but the man needs to be in prison, and so do the rest of these fascist groups whether BLM, antifa, neo-nazis, skin heads…they all support violence and they all seek to divide America. The American people do not agree with this violence and it will costs the democrats dearly in upcoming elections. So keep it up.

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 9:12 AM
Comment #419409

What will the left do when their plans come to fruition? As with the Civil War in 1860’s the left agitated until they got their war. They will do it again now, but the “war” won’t be a war with battle lines drawn and armies confronting each other on the battlefield. This “war” will be such as it is right now. Riots and murder in the streets. The only difference this time is that foreign armies will invade to “keep it from spreading” and the “war” will actually be the end of the United States of America for both sides.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 15, 2017 10:07 AM
Comment #419410

I was somewhat astonished that some folks in Duram NC took it on themselves to take a statue down with no intervention by police. I didn’t see any police presence there.

Some city officials should be resigning over this, IMO. Many should be voted from office, hopefully.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 15, 2017 10:53 AM
Comment #419411

So the Neo-Nazi/Fascist go to liberal cities to march and conservatives here on WB blame some sort of dem conspiracy! Simply amazing except then they say they aren’t fooled by conservative propaganda! which is even more amazing.That is not enough for Blaine he trolls deeper into the abyss of conservative propaganda by trying to convince us the Fascist and the anti-Fascist are both left wing groups fighting each other.

None of the conservatives here on WB see the sheep they have become,the parallels of the German people of the late 20’s and early 30’s, following the conservative movement and its propaganda. They deny instead. To devoted to the Trump to buck the party line yet still believing they think for themselves! Did any one of you denounce the neo-Nazi/Fascist groups that came together to “unite the right”, I missed it if you did. Seems you were to busy denouncing the freedom fighters.

Blaine you still win the Goebbels award for the biggest lie in a single thread but I have to say you have outdone yourself by piling on the Soros lies towards the end of the thread instead of focusing on the D’Souza lies. Maybe we should have a group award for you.

But one lingering thought still remain that none of you seem to want to explain. Why would these neo-Nazi/Fascust groups come together to “unite the right” if they are all left wing groups? Isn’t conservatism considered to be right wing? Yet Blaine says we contradict ourselves, go figure.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2017 11:28 AM
Comment #419412

What we are witnessing is the true democrat party. The left would never win an election in America if they really ran on what they believed. The violence of the left can easily be traced back to the civil war. It was democrats who fought for the right to own slaves, after the war it was the democrats who organized and founded the KKK for the purpose of intimidation of blacks after they were emancipated. It was democrats who fought against civil rights, even though LBJ understood the big picture. Hence, LBJ’s comment that blacks would be voting for the democrats for the next 100 years. Needless to say LBJ used the derogatory “N” word. It was the democrat Margaret Sanger who sought to purify the races in America by doing away with blacks through sterilization and abortion, hence we have the continued plan through Planned Parenthood today. It’s easy to see how Hitler looked at the democrat plan and adopted it for his own. The plan of the democrat party has always been one of fascism and socialism. But the democrats have always hid their plan. If anyone attempted to reveal it, they were personally attacked. The American people are ahead of the curve on this one. We vote in republicans to take care of the problem, but it requires the republican politicians to develop some backbone and actually do what is required. Cowing to these seditionist is not going to work. The reason the left absolutely hates conservatives like Limbaugh or Mark Levine is because they identify the left for what they are. Liberalism says “let’s reason together ” or “1st amendment freedom of speech” or “the democrat party is the part of the downtrodden”, but the exact opposite is true. We see on college campuses that freedom of speech or even thought is violently opposed, that there is only coming together if you agree with their ideology, and the downtrodden are herded into urban ghettos and placed on government handouts while discouraged from bettering themselves. When some blacks like Thomas Sowell, Charles Pain, Dr. Carson, or Condi Rice create for themselves a successful life, they are attacked as not being black enough or being Oreos. The left loves to throw around the word racism, but they have always been the party of racism.

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 11:33 AM
Comment #419413

j2, stop trying to identify the word “right” with conservativism. Right is just a word and can be attached to any political ideology. Nazism is simply to the right of BLM, but is certainly far left of conservativism.

You can spin it all you want and you can attempt to label me a troll, but history proves all the leftist groups to be from the same mold. They are all democrat groups.

I have given the roots of each of these groups and I don’t see you offering proof of the opposite. Answer these questions; who fought for slavery, who formed the KKK, who formed PP and for what reason, who fought against civil rights, who seeks to silence free speech on college campuses, and what part of the neo-nazi platform is different from the democrat platform? Until you can give proof of the opposite, these groups all remain part of the democrat ideology.

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 11:52 AM
Comment #419414

The leftist “freedom fighters” attacked those who were exercising their freedom of speech.
The leftists, their political leaders, and their media are justifying the attacks on free speech, simply because of the content of the speech.
Local leftist governments are proudly proclaiming that they stand in ‘solidarity’ with racist groups like blm, and anti American terrorist Marxist groups like antifa.
These leftist groups are rioting and attacking Americans and destroying public property.

Does no one else see where these leftists are taking us?

Posted by: kctim at August 15, 2017 12:50 PM
Comment #419415

Charlie Rose and racist Al Sharpton are now calling for the removal of the Jefferson Monument, because Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. What do we do next, do we remove all references to Senator Robert Byrd on WV because he was a grand wizard of the KKK? Perhaps we should just disband the democrat party because the fought to keep slavery. We are seeing the meltdown of the democrat party.

In the meantime, while the left is going from one crisis to another, the Kim dynasty has backed down from attacking Guam. Trump talked the language this little dictator understood, the left spazzed out, and Trump won the war on words. Last
Week the left on WB were going nuts over how Trump was handling NK, and this week Trump wins….again.

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 1:48 PM
Comment #419416

Heck Blaine why stop at the Jefferson monument, burn down Monticello and while they are at it Mount Vernon to. The White House was built by slaves get rid of it to. How about all those statues in the Capital Building I bet there are some slave owners there. Next we they could go after all the War memorials throughout the country.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 15, 2017 1:59 PM
Comment #419417

Your right Kap, if the goal is to remove anything in American history that refers to slavery, there would be an erasure of anything to do with the Democratic Party.

Here are a few facts from The American Thinker:

“It was Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Democrat, who founded the Ku Klux Klan.

Woodrow Wilson segregated Federal Buildings and jobs after 50 years of integration under largely Republican administrations.

It was the Democrat Party in the South that instituted Jim Crow Laws.

It was the Democrat Party in the South that instituted “separate but equal”.

It was the Democrat Party in the South that supported the Ku Klux Klan.

It was George Wallace and the Democrat Party in the South that said “Segregation Forever”.

It was Orval Faubus and the Democrat Party that wanted the Arkansas National Guard to enforce segregation, and Dwight Eisenhower, a Republican President, that sent the 101st Airborne to integrate the schools.

It was Bull Connor, a member of the Democrat National Committee, who turned the hoses on the marchers in Birmingham, and it was the Republicans who made up the majority that passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, over the filibuster of such Democrat paragons as William Fulbright and Al Gore Sr. - and Grand Kleagle Byrd.

(And no, the Dixiecrats didn’t join the Republican Party - most of them remained Democrats.)

It was the Democrats who kept Grand Kleagle Byrd in the party.

It was Democrats who called General Colin Powell a “house nigger”.

It was Democrats who called Condi Rice - who grew up with and knew the little girls in Birmingham who were blown up, by Democrats - an “Aunt Jemima” and ran cartoons of her with fat lips doing Hattie McDaniel riffs.

It was Democrats, or at least Obama supporters, who called Stacy Dash a hundred different racist names for daring to leave the Democrat plantaion. (sic) It’s the Democrats who hold annual dinners honoring Andrew Jackson, who owned slaves and who orchestrated the Removal, the Trail of Tears, the near genocide of several of the Indian Nations.”

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 2:09 PM
Comment #419418

Excellent posting Blaine. Organized mind and a good memory.

Trump has uncovered some of the Obama/Putin relations from around the time the Soviets started working on the DNC. That should be revealing.

Takes my mind a while to correlate but now I see clearly; that the dim’s intended all along to use the C’ville protest as a way of leveraging the race card.

Their intent, from the getgo, was to try and scare black people into ‘realizing’ that Trump will be worse than Hitler. This is a follow on to the ‘Russian thing’. They are out there saying that Bannon and a couple more in Trump’s admin are the satan incarnate.

Some will say a fascist/nazi like movement is afoot but I’m not there yet. I believe the dim’s, in recognizing what they have lost with the election, are willing to pull out all the stops to take Trump down. Also, surprised at how many rep’s are supporting the dim’s in this effort.

I can understand how they feel. Globalism, the NAU, open borders, cheap immigrant labor- - all gone, or going.

I mean, I am on my hands and knees daily thanking God for Trump’s win over Hillary and the GOP nominees.

I believe the better way to deal with it is to ignore the left, except for official business. And, if they break or burn something make sure they do some jail time. I just hope Sessions and Trump are up to job. Taking on these sanctuary cities will give us some insight of how it’s going to go, IMO. Lock em all up…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 15, 2017 3:20 PM
Comment #419419

Roy, I agree with you on thanking God daily. I’ve said from the beginning, that if all Trump accomplished in his first term was to put the conservative Gorsuch in the SC, it was worth it. Of course he has done much more than that. As I speak, I watch Trump cut the red tape involved in building the infrastructure. These things are all happening, despite the fact that the media and the left are trying to destroy him. The press is not interested in infrastructure, they are going nuts about what Trump said or did not say about what happened in C’ville. The media is a waste.

My understanding about C’ville is that the governor McCauliff was going to use the event to announce his run for the presidency. But he ran into a problem, because the riots and violence happened on his watch.

Well President Trump just included the Antifa and BLM in with the neo-nazis as being violent. Yes…finally the blame is placed correctly.

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 4:21 PM
Comment #419420

Right Blaine, Trump told it just like it was. Bunch of a**holes on both sides. And, the fracas was planned by McCauliff and underlings. How else can one explain letting a protest come into close downtown quarters? Allowing an opposing group to be at the same place at the same time. Having 700 enforcement folks show up and, I’m sure the natl’ guard was close by. Wasn’t five mins into the fight that the media/dim officials laid it all at Trump’s feet as he had been ‘sleeping with david duke’ all his life.

Haven’t heard of Mc running for Pres. but his name is mud in Va. as I can tell. Too much baggage, but, then again, that’s a plus for the dim’s. Go for it dimwits

Trump fingered the press today but that doesn’t seem very presidential to me. I would just like for him to ignore the msm, get his msg out thru FOX and tweets. Leave the msm/dims to twist in wind…

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 15, 2017 4:53 PM
Comment #419421

I know it won’t happen, but I’d like to see the media do some real reporting on the people who stood up for the statue of General Lee. I’ll bet dollars to donuts there were many more decent, everyday people than there were Nazis and Racists. The media has everyone lumped together under the racist/Nazi banner just like they lumped the 2 deputies in with the one victim.

Do you see how obvious it is, j2t2? It leads me to believe you and your kind are willfully ignorant!

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 15, 2017 5:05 PM
Comment #419422

Here’s a picture from the history of the racists KKK democrats:

The Democratic Party does not want you to know about their racist past. For too long the left has tried to convince people that they are the Party of civil rights, but that is just inaccurate.

“In Madison Square Garden, New York City, from June 24 to July 9, a dispute during came up revolving around an attempt by non-Klan delegates, led by Forney Johnston of Alabama, to condemn the organization for its violence in the Democratic Party’s platform.

“But Klan delegates defeated the platform plank in a series of floor debates.

“To celebrate, tens of thousands of hooded Klansmen rallied in a field in New Jersey, across the river from New York City. This event, known subsequently as the “Klanbake”, was also attended by hundreds of Klan delegates to the convention, who burned crosses, urged violence and intimidation against African-Americans and Catholics, and attacked effigies of Smith.

“The final vote was 546.15 for the Klan, 542.85 against it.”

http://www.dcstatesman.com/newly-discovered-photo-1924-democratic-convention-causing-quite-stir/

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 5:18 PM
Comment #419423

“What we are witnessing is the true democrat party.”

Blaine, I remember when the Democrat Party was truly a “Big Tent” encompassing Americans of various political stripes and social beliefs who managed to get along together. There was a time when the Party was considered religious, with a morality closely matching that of the nation.

The past fifty years has seen the Party disintegrate into factions with no common denominator. We hear Party leaders dis-inviting those who hold and espouse contrary views. The Party now attracts the discontented, the immoral, the benefit seekers, and those wishing to overthrow our Democratic Republic.

What does the average working man/woman in the United States today have in common with a Party dominated by those who care primarily about those who don’t work and don’t produce? Mr. And Mrs. America work, raise a family with traditional values, attend religious services, donate to charities, obey the law, and just want government to leave them alone.

I make the bold statement that the Democrat Party will slowly disappear and become a Party fashioned after some of the Socialist Parties found in Europe. It will remain a minority party holding minority power in state and national legislatures with the Loony Left Fringe holding it together with chewing gum and kite string.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2017 5:24 PM
Comment #419424

fuzzy face has gone ballistic over Trump flicking them off at today’s press conf. He wants to be the guy on the white horse so bad. He wants the revolution to begin … tonight.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 15, 2017 6:00 PM
Comment #419425

I like this statement.

“The essential elements of liberty and limited government include the general superiority of markets to government in allocating goods and services; judicial adherence to the Constitution’s text, structure, and history; appreciation of a robust civil society and the moral virtues that underlie the American constitutional order—while advocating a strong America advancing liberty abroad.”

Peter Berkowitz is the Tad and Dianne Taube senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. His writings are posted at PeterBerkowitz.com and he can be followed on Twitter @BerkowitzPeter.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2017 7:08 PM
Comment #419426

Does he have anything to say on revising history?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 15, 2017 7:16 PM
Comment #419427

Royal, you bring up an interesting thought. The division within the democrat party and disinviting of those who don’t agree with them. Mark Lilla is a professor at Columbia University, who wrote a book called “The Once and Future Liberal After Identity Politics”. This professor is an absolute leftist, but he believes the democrat party is destroying itself by subdividing groups of people.

Posted by: Blaine at August 15, 2017 7:18 PM
Comment #419428

I don’t know about that Roy. Check his website PeterBerkowitz.com

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2017 7:20 PM
Comment #419436
j2, stop trying to identify the word “right” with conservativism. Right is just a word and can be attached to any political ideology.

So Blaine you seem to want it both ways once again. You label us leftist and liberals but cannot accept right/rightwing and conservative. To bad the neo-Nazi/Fascist called their rally “Unite the Right” but to keep your rationalizations going maybe they meant it in a right/wrong context….not!


Nazism is simply to the right of BLM, but is certainly far left of conservativism.

Blaine you can run but you can’t hide from Fascism it is just to the right of conservatism just as socialism is just to the right of communism. I know your buddies at the far right think tanks have been working to change this around as you have demonstrated with the tripe you have spouted in this thread. But despite the revisionism and whatever else you use to rationalize you denial you just need to follow the money to determine the truth of the matter. Who spent their time, money and in some cases their lives to stop the Nazi/Fascist movement before it grew into a world war. Who supported the same people with their time and money until they went to war? Bet your friends don’t tell you that bit of truth do they?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2017 11:50 PM
Comment #419437

A picture is worth a thousand words j2, and since you can’t read, I’ll post the picture again. Now if you have another picture of the republicans dressed up in white sheets, I’ll be glad to listen. Until then, I’ll just assume you’re a moron.

http://www.dcstatesman.com/newly-discovered-photo-1924-democratic-convention-causing-quite-stir/

Posted by: Blaine at August 16, 2017 12:15 AM
Comment #419462

“Fascism it is just to the right of conservatism just as socialism is just to the right of communism.”

How interesting j2t2. Please inform us of the political similarities.

I asked j2t2 to inform us how the Conservatives of today are like the German populace of the 1930’s, as he claims, but he couldn’t find any Lefty writing to support that either.

We all know that j2t2 is merely an agitator and simply adopts the views of the Left without it passing through his brain for thoughtful contemplation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 16, 2017 3:57 PM
Comment #419478

j2t2, when you ask people to look at history and who supported Hitler you should take your own advice. Joe Kennedy, JFK’s father, supported Hitler. He also supported shipping all the German Jews to Africa. He became a supporter of the “America First” movement founded by Charles Lindbergh, a Nazi sympathizer.

John F. Kennedy wrote that fascism is “the right thing for Germany”. He also visited Hitler’s Bavarian holiday home in Berchtesgaden and the tea house built on top of the mountain for him.

He declared; ‘Who has visited these two places can easily imagine how Hitler will emerge from the hatred currently surrounding him to emerge in a few years as one of the most important personalities that ever lived.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329556/How-JFK-secretly-ADMIRED-Hitler-Explosive-book-reveals-Presidents-praise-Nazis-travelled-Germany-Second-World-War.html

Do you think if Trump ever said that he would have been elected president? This is a perfect example of Democratic’s hypocrisy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 16, 2017 7:28 PM
Comment #419487

Good post WW, but methinks you will never hear from j2 on this one. The left can’t handle the truth. They live in the fantasy land of make believe and fake media.

Posted by: Blaine at August 16, 2017 9:47 PM
Comment #419489

He’ll have to call the Daily Mail a rag that can’t be trusted. Of Course, I’ve just reinforced his delusion I’m a Nazi, alt-right, racist so he’ll include that.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 16, 2017 10:53 PM
Comment #419495
Joe Kennedy, JFK’s father, supported Hitler. He also supported shipping all the German Jews to Africa. He became a supporter of the “America First” movement founded by Charles Lindbergh, a Nazi sympathizer.

Very Good Weary but you do realize this is old news to me…don’t you? Anyway good work… SO lets ask ourselves if Joe Kennedy was a capitalist or a socialist. What say you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_in_North_America


Do you think if Trump ever said that he would have been elected president? This is a perfect example of Democratic’s hypocrisy.

Weary a short supposed infatuation with Hitler while JFK was in College during the 30’s just goes to show my point doesn’t it? Many Germans also fell for the line of crap Hitler and the NAzi’s ran on people.

Your hatred causes some really stupid remarks doesn’t it Weary? The book that makes these claims came out in Germany in the past few year and you mention hypocrisy as if each and every American knew this about JFK when they voted for him back in 1960.

Trump would have been elected president if he had blown Hitler whilst in the Russian hotel room peeing on the bed Obama slept in, IMHO Weary. Those that voted for Trump were and still are so taken with him they would have claimed it was lie from the MSM or the socialist media like the idiot Blaine does. Or they would have claimed it was a conspiracy by the dems/KKK/anti-Fa/ Commies/NeoNazis/ and whatever else the troll Blaine repeats as if it were true. People weren’t so stupid back in the 60’s.

BTW what JFK wrote was “fascism? the right thing for Germany”. which of course is completely different than the way you phrased it speaking of hypocrisy.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 17, 2017 12:24 AM
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Since j2t2 didn’t call me names and focused his name calling on Blaine, I guess he feels he can excuse himself. He still hasn’t defended his position. His comments are a sorry excuse for debate.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 17, 2017 3:48 PM
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Weary, what position did I leave you doubting on? Yes Joe Kennedy was one of many that sided with the fascist early on. Do you think that because you found one prominent Dem from back in the late 20’s and early 30’s that you have made some kind of case that would prove my position wrong?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 18, 2017 4:47 PM
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I wish it would happen… Kim is a dictator.

Posted by: imgrum at September 7, 2017 7:57 AM
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