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Chamber of Commerce Corpocracy 49 - Trump 1


WOW! No new money appropriated for the ‘wall’ and the Chamber of Commerce GOP’er’s and Dem’s are off and running with a plan to fast track green card immigration.

No HC, no wall, no infrastructure BUT, 'let's do tax reform', 'let's do 'green card immigration' and so on - - - that say's a bunch, like shoving it down your throat and other orifices, about the CofC corpocracy.

It's become clear that Trump will never get 'repeal and replace' thru the CofC. The corpocracy has set the high$ water mark with Obamacare and they ain't about to slack off one green dollar (about 15 cents).

I can understand Trump negotiating with the legislator's but every day, every day I am warming up more to a Sean Hannity 3rd party ticket. If Trump doesn't get the wall built by the end of his term he will be daid meat, IMO, with his base.

Meanwhile, the base has to get rid of RINO's/CofC'ers like Flake, Graham, McCain and so many others.

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 2, 2017 4:36 PM
Comments
Comment #418922

Roy I think Trump and his followers should shoulder the blame for his failures instead of trying to push it off on others. He told us he was the best negotiator ever and would get the repeal and replace taken care of. He didn’t because the replacement plan was terrible. It was tax cuts for the rich screw everything else.

Get over your hatred for Obamacare, all that stuff you heard from the repubs and conservatives the past 7 years was just BS to keep people like you in line and voting with their negative emotions.

Funds for the wall!! Did you really believe that ol’ line? We don’t have the money for that. It was a bad idea and it was a line Trump used to get people to vote for him, nothing more. Tax money should go for infrastructure not nonsensical walls on the border.

I see Trump’s administration is trying to open up negotiations on immigration. Hopefully the Congress can come to terms with a rational bi-partisan plan that is fair and works for the country.

WTF is a Sean Hannity 3rd party ticket? You can’t be serious. Just when you think there is a bottom to the stupidity of the conservatives they come up with something even lower than a snakes belly.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 2, 2017 5:49 PM
Comment #418923

j2, should you be right about Trump and ‘that ol’ line’ I want a Sean Hannity greased up and ready to run. The admin and corpocracy should not be allowed to open their mouths on immigration until the wall is 90% done.

Just heard that the proposed immigration bill will cut immigration in half by ‘2027’. How corpocratic is that? Sounds a lot like Obamacare - writing the bill several years after it’s been passed.

j2, Hannity is going to get us some justice re Hillary & Bill, Lynch, Rice, Comey and several others. A Ben (somebody) is the first to be called to appear before a judiciary cmtte for unmasking. A bunch of folks will get wrapped up in that, all thanks to Sean.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 2, 2017 5:58 PM
Comment #418924

“Get over your hatred for Obamacare…”

Perhaps j2t2 can tell us why middle-class working folks should love Obamacare.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2017 6:08 PM
Comment #418925

Not everyone hates President Trump and his agenda.

“The Republican National Committee is touting some big fundraising numbers bolstered by President Trump’s appeal with his base, including small donors.

“The $75 million-plus brought in by the party in the first six months of this year is more than double the amount that Democrats raised during Barack Obama’s first six months, ABC reported.

“‘Our base loves the president,’ RNC chair Ronna Romney McDaniel said this morning.

I have read that the DNC remains deep in red ink. It appears that our Pals on the Left are all talk with no financial support. We understand. They never expect to pay for what they want.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2017 7:56 PM
Comment #418926

Yeah, Royal. The dem’s are in the tank now but wait until Sean opens up these crimes committed by the likes of W. Schultz, Rice, Lynch, Clinton’s and others. You would think Soros and Alynski ? would run to the mountains and hide themselves. But, I suppose they will just continue as nothing happened.

Don’t you find it mysterious that a guy like Rich could be murdered and nobody knows anything????? I do.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 2, 2017 8:41 PM
Comment #418927

What was on his computer? Has anybody looked? Does anybody care?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 2, 2017 8:42 PM
Comment #418943

Roy, Should I be right!!! Trump cannot even get the Mexican president to publicly stop telling us to go f**k ourselves over the wall and who pays for it. He has to lie about the phone call with the guy and gets caught doing it. My god man what does it take for people to understand the wall and the money for the wall will come from Mexico is a scam. Those on the right have fallen for the line that it is the immigrants that are the problem in this country, just like the people of Germany in the early 1930’s. Trump is exploiting that just like…..


Perhaps j2t2 can tell us why middle-class working folks should love Obamacare.

Two things Royal, one because the repubs R&R is so much worse. Two, why do you think repubs/conservatives worry about the middle class working folk seeing as they have spent the entire “Reagan reconstruction of the gilded age” destroying the middle class.

Hannity is going to get us some justice re Hillary & Bill, Lynch, Rice, Comey and several others. A Ben (somebody) is the first to be called to appear before a judiciary cmtte for unmasking. A bunch of folks will get wrapped up in that, all thanks to Sean.

So Roy who do you think Hannity colluded with on the Seth Rich fake news scam? It was the Trump administration. Why on earth would you think Hannity should be anything but a propagandist?

The dem’s are in the tank now but wait until Sean opens up these crimes committed by the likes of W. Schultz, Rice, Lynch, Clinton’s and others. You would think Soros and Alynski ? would run to the mountains and hide themselves. But, I suppose they will just continue as nothing happened.

Hannity has no credibility after being exposed as the Trump water carrier on the Seth Rich fraud Roy.

BTW Alinsky has been dead some 40 plus years so I’m pretty sure he won’t be running to the mountains to hide. Didn’t Sean tell you that? Did he lead you to believe that the threat was real? Once again Roy just like the people of Germany in the early 1930’s you are being duped. Trump and Hannity are part of this propaganda.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2017 11:26 AM
Comment #418944

This is a link to an article written by Roy Ellis in 2010:

http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/006926.html

Does anyone seriously believe that the article at the top of this page was written by the same person?

Posted by: ohrealy at August 3, 2017 11:59 AM
Comment #418946

Illegal immigrants are a big problem for our country. To deny that fact and then use silly partisan opinions about Reagan and outlandish comparisons to Nazi’s in order to dismiss and deflect, is beyond ridiculous.

Hannity is a partisan talking head. It is almost laughable to watch you guys complain about him working with Republicans, while ignoring the fact that the mainstream news outlets glorified Obama for 8 years non-stop, promoted Clinton throughout her campaign, and are currently pushing baseless accusations and partisan assumptions as fact in order to bring down our duly elected Republican administration.

There has been no facts of Trump and Russian collusion, that Russia altered election results, or that Trump and Putin are best friends forever, but news outlets still promote them as if they are fact. But yet, the real propaganda is coming from those questioning the circumstances surrounding the death of Seth Rich?
FFS

The blatant hypocrisy would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic and destructive.

Posted by: kctim at August 3, 2017 12:54 PM
Comment #418947

Royal, apparently stuff like this is why us middle class working folk should love ‘Obamacare.’

https://apps.doi.idaho.gov/DisplayPDF?ID=3351

Posted by: kctim at August 3, 2017 1:23 PM
Comment #418952
But yet, the real propaganda is coming from those questioning the circumstances surrounding the death of Seth Rich?

kctim,

Rod Wheeler filed a lawsuit this week alleging unprecedented fabrication and fraud regarding Fox News’ reporting last April.

IF you were an objective and reasonable person instead of a partisan hack you would be more skeptical of the Trump administration’s denials of wrongdoing regarding Russia and and more dismissive of the conspiracies involving poor Seth Rich.

apparently stuff like this is why us middle class working folk should love ‘Obamacare.’
Hopefully Idahoans can wake up and smell the roses and toss out their state politicians who opposed the Medicaid expansion and instead do everything they can to sabotage Obamacare. Massachusetts, New York, California, Maryland and similar states are not having any of these problems. Posted by: Warren Porter at August 3, 2017 2:11 PM
Comment #418955
Does anyone seriously believe that the article at the top of this page was written by the same person?

Roy has always been a bit conspiratorial in his thinking, ascribing so many things to our “Corpropracy” whatever that is supposed to mean. Given his longstanding opposition to NAFTA and skepticism to immigration, it does not completely surprise me that he supports Trump. Those were two of President Trump’s biggest issues in last year’s campaign.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 3, 2017 2:36 PM
Comment #418960

Warren,

Again with the “partisan hack” nonsense, eh? Sad to see you having to resort to such level. Meh.

“you would be more skeptical of the Trump administration’s denials of wrongdoing regarding Russia”

It has nothing to do with their denials, and everything to do with the severe lack of facts to back up the claim.

“and more dismissive of the conspiracies involving poor Seth Rich.”

How can I be any more dismissive than by not commenting on it?


Perhaps, instead of lecturing others on what you think they should be skeptical and dismissive of, maybe you should be asking yourself why you eagerly dismiss one conspiracy theory while being so willing to be blindly skeptical to another conspiracy theory?

And yes, of course, the problem with ‘Obamacare’ is that it was sabotaged by those evil Christian straight cis white males. LOL

Posted by: kctim at August 3, 2017 2:57 PM
Comment #418961

Back in 2010 I was writing with a political bias, pushing a ‘new 3rd party w/a/dif/pol/att … and all that. I didn’t touch on social issues and mostly wrote on issues like tax reform, CFR, or similar.

I thought a 3rd party could be built from the ground up. Now, I don’t think that way. So, we need an Independent/populist/centrist like Trump or Hannity to take on the mantle of a 3rd party.

The dem’s and gop wisely use immigration to win big donations from corporations. Further, the dem’s use every social issue to fill their coffers. They have done really well using divisive politics to collect donations.

This last election it got super serious. The dem’s was sure they had enough votes with the immigrant and illegal immigrant vote that would make it an impossibility to lose. They were right ESCEPT for one thing … TRUMP …

The gop legislators cared very little as to whether Hil won or not. They would still have their power, still support the corpocracy, same as the dem’s.

Now that Trump is pushing his agenda you can see it clear as day that the gop has no interest. They would much rather support Hil’s/Bernie’s agenda than Trumps. Hannity knows that and more and more GOP’er’s and Indies are recognizing that.

We must get rid of the dem/rep corpocracy. The best way to do that, IMO, is thru a 3rd party. Right now, Trump is the closest thing we’ve got to a 3rd party. But, if he weakens up on the agenda that got him elected we need to have s populist/centrist/independent greased and ready to run.

Right now, as I see it, that man is Hannity. Maybe he can build a new 3rd party from the top down.

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 3, 2017 3:09 PM
Comment #418962
Illegal immigrants are a big problem for our country. To deny that fact and then use silly partisan opinions about Reagan and outlandish comparisons to Nazi’s in order to dismiss and deflect, is beyond ridiculous.

Beyond ridiculous is thinking a wall along the southern border is the answer to the illegal immigration problem, IMHO Kctim. I don’t deny we have an immigration problem and it needs to be addressed I simply don’t buy into the that it is that big of a problem as you suggest. Congress has needed to address it for years and refuse to do so. There needs to be comprise on the issue and neither side is willing to give an inch. In fact Congress is a bigger problem than immigration,legal or illegal.

Read the previous Reagan post and the link kctim. What I have said isn’t partisan as you seem to think.

I am not comparing Roy Royal You or anyone to the Nazi’s kctim. Once again I am comparing Roy and most other conservatives to the good and decent people of Germany in the early 1930’s, the same people that were fooled by the Nazis into going to war because they wanted to make Germany great again.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2017 3:13 PM
Comment #418963

“Does anyone seriously believe that the article at the top of this page was written by the same person?”

Roy - “The right choice, IMO, is hardcore reform brought about by a populist 3rd party initiative”

I’m not sure how a person could come to any other conclusion than that they were written by the same person.

Posted by: kctim at August 3, 2017 3:13 PM
Comment #418964

Enforcement and more effective border security are the ONLY answers to our illegal alien problems, J2.
You don’t have to believe illegal immigration is a problem, but the fact is that they are a threat to our citizens and a burden on our resources.

“I am comparing Roy and most other conservatives to the good and decent people of Germany in the early 1930’s, the same people that were fooled by the Nazis into going to war because they wanted to make Germany great again.”

Sigh. There is no comparison between the two, J2.
Our government is not led by a dictator with complete power. It is not forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism. While it regulates our industry and commerce, it does not yet control and run it. Our government does not practice systemic racism, actual racism is frowned upon by the overwhelming majority of Americans, and actual racists have been relegated to the extreme fringe.
Love of country is not aggressive nationalism.

Fact is, this Nazi and fascist nonsense is nothing but the childish reaction to the undoing of progressive policy. It has absolutely nothing to do with any actual fascism being present.

Posted by: kctim at August 3, 2017 4:01 PM
Comment #418965

Thanks for the link to Idaho insurance info kctim. Regular working class Americans will feel even more pain. Those on subsidies will feel little pain. Liberals love that arrangement.

Warren believes more people on Medicaid is the answer. Certainly people love “free” stuff. Problem is, noting is ever truly free. Someone always pays. Don’t believe me. Care to show us what we got for $20 Trillion in national debt.

President Trump, and those who support his agenda do wish to make America great again. j2t2 believes this requires war. We don’t.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2017 4:59 PM
Comment #418970

kctim, to continue … our gov’t doesn’t act dictatorial by illegally unmasking citizens abusing them of their 4th amd’t rights. Our gov’t doesn’t collude interfere with criminal investigations by armtwisting the FBI or by meeting with Justice officials in secret to discuss, what? The weather? Our gov’t doesn’t, at the end of one’s term of office, change the rules on who has unmasking authority from a few to a few hundred. Our gov’t doesn’t turn a blind eye to gov’t officials evading communications security rules. Our gov’t doesn’t allow gov’t officials to, wittingly or not, allow adversaries access to classified communications thru negligence and improper use of technology.

fangers are tired …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 3, 2017 5:15 PM
Comment #418972

I haven’t heard the news report, but I did heard that the democrat governor of WV is going to announce at the Trump rally in WV that he’s changing Party affiliation to the Republican Party. That means another loss for the democrats. If Trump is doing so badly in the polls, why would the governor of a union blue state change to the Republican Party?

Posted by: Blaine at August 3, 2017 6:36 PM
Comment #418973

This guy has switched parties before Blaine. No BIG deal.

COWBOYS PLAY THE CARDINALS TONITE.

GO BOYS!

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2017 6:44 PM
Comment #418986

Trump approval rating down to 33%.

A Grand Jury has been empanelled in Washington D.C. by Special Counsel Mueller. It was actually set up several weeks ago. Now Mueller can issue indictments anytime he wants, although the DOJ regulation asks him to finish the investigation and then submit a report. There are several situations where indictments could be issued before it is finished.

Congress went into a pro forma session instead of a recess, courtesy of Senator Lisa Murkowski. Think she enjoyed doing that? This means no recess appointments for Trump, and that means it will be extremely difficult for Trump to get rid of Mueller. And just in case, the House & Senate are passing regulations to protect Mueller and make him bullet proof. It looks like Trump has very few friends in Congress. Tough to command loyalty with approval polling at 33%.

Best guesses are that this investigation will not run its course until somewhere between May & November of next year. Now there are 16 lawyers on Mueller’s team, with the latest addition being a guy who specializes in prosecuting white collar crime and foreign bribery. This guy, Greg Andres, is REALLY bad news for Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at August 3, 2017 11:57 PM
Comment #418987

Yeah, Mueller’s most recent hire is for:

15 U.S.C. 78dd-1, foreign corrupt practices act

so add that to:
52 uscode 30121 and 36 usc 510 foreign contributions
18 uscode 371 conspiracy to commit offense or defraud
18 uscode 1030 fraud and related activity with computers
18 uscode 1343 fraud by wire, radio, or television
18 uscode 2 aiding and abetting, in connection to other offenses
18 uscode 2031 Treason, aid and comfort to enemies
18 uscode 1512 Obstruction of Justice, multiple instances,
18 uscode 1956 Money laundering
18 uscode 953 Logan act, unauthorized persons negotiating with foreign governments.
18 uscode 793 Espionage, recommending russians to attack US citizens
18 uscode 201 Bribery, via court settlements and elsewhere
18 uscode 1621 and 1746 Perjury and false statements in writing

Posted by: ohrealy at August 4, 2017 12:11 AM
Comment #418999

You guys were excreting the same enthusiasm and confidence about Hillbilly’s election chances. You were all puffed up and bragging about how Trump was going to get pummeled in the election and… Let’s see… NOPE! Hillbilly lost!

Go ahead. Puff up again. We know it’s nothing but hot air, or perhaps, gas.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 4, 2017 8:15 AM
Comment #419000

Roy,
Of course the progressives perversion of our form of government has given us a controlling centralized government with dictatorial tendencies, but we still have checks and balances which prevent a true dictatorship from taking hold.
Are those checks and balances eroding with each passing year? Yes. But comparing Obama and Trump to Hitler and shouting fascism is silly partisan nonsense.

The corpocracy you speak of is a much bigger threat to us than fascism.

Posted by: kctim at August 4, 2017 8:20 AM
Comment #419001

I remember the wailing and crying from the left when the Clinton’s were being investigated and might I add impeached. Obama did things worthy of impeachment and investigation, but spineless Washington establishment politicians would not touch that one. Had Obama been investigated and had the special counsel been loaded up with republican, Bush supporting lawyers, can you imagine the wailing fro the left. I don’t believe any of the Trump polls and why should I; they lied to the American people last fall, before the election. Contrary to the lefts claims and their giddiness at trying to remove a sitting president, this will backfire on them. Best case scenario is the democrats continue to lose political seats; the worst case scenario is a violent civil clash.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 9:13 AM
Comment #419002

Agree, kctim. But, had Hil been elected we would be a lot further down the road toward fascism. She would have assumed the powers of a dictator. This country dodged a huge bullet there.

Fascism rejects the notion that violence is a negative thing. J2, note who does all the raping, pillaging and burning in this country. Give us some words on when the last time an entity other than the dem’s broke glass and carried on like a**holes?

J2, I’ve been writing about corpocracy for five years or so and you always fein ignorance as to what it means. That’s a dem ploy used on a worldwide basis. Follow that up with some name calling; racist xenophobe, and so on — -

Note how the Communist News Network tried to label the guy who spoke on immigration at the press conf yesterday as a racist. The CNN’er did get his little racists rant speech in, which torqued me off greatly, but he got his head handed to him as well.

The corpocracy, which goes toward fascism, is determined they can keep Trump from carrying out his agenda. Remember that some 16-17 GOP’ers lost the primary to an upstart non-political type. Plus, he called them really degrading, denigrating names; little man, small hands, stupid, and so on - - -

The reps have joined hands with the dem’s to nix the Trump admin, passing laws to prevent Trump from firing Mueller and so on - - -

If Mueller goes outside the mandate and gets a guilty verdict against any Trump admin then I am going on a posting rampage where every day thru the next pres election I will put up a post rant on voting out incumbent gop’er’s.

We got rid of Hillary and we can get rid of these corpocratic gop’er’s. Will take a little longer but it can be done.

I would luv to see Trump run as a 3rd party candidate for 2020. He could take his supporters with him and easily win.

In the interim, we do need to vote out gop incumbents every chance we get.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 4, 2017 9:47 AM
Comment #419003

The establishment candidate McCain would have lost his primary had Trump not campaigned for him. And the payback was to stab Trump in the back. My question would be, what if Trump campaigns for any candidate running against the incumbents in the republican primaries? I don’t think the establishment republicans understand what they are doing. Trump has lost none of his supporters, and they’re not stupid; they know what is going on in DC. What j2, ph, SD, or WP have to say about the 2018 election doesn’t mean squat. Their party has no functioning agenda, except for blocking conservatives and fundamentally changing America, and they have lost 1200 local and state seats, lost both houses of congress, the presidency, and every special election. So the left virtually has no dog in the fight next year.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 11:05 AM
Comment #419005

This is the state of the democrat party. Trump had a great energetic rally in WV yesterday. The crowd was reported to be excited with a party atmosphere. But at the same time Trump was speaking to the WV people, Stewart Rothensberg, a democrat reporter and adviser was on twitter slamming the WV people. He called them ignorant, uneducated, non-working, and unable to comprehend the truth of politics. These people in WV were democrats just a few years ago. This is the state that has Robert Byrd from one end to another. How many years were they controlled by democrats? This is exactly how the left feels about working class Americans. The WV people were great when they supported democrats, but they are the scum of the earth when they discover the truth and leave the democrats. This shows the arrogance and hypocrisy of the left. This is exactly why the left cannot understand what happened last November. Hillary and the democrats are still trying to explain why she lost. It’s literally a joke. Obama tried to destroy the coal industry in WV, he planned to shut down coal fired power plants and told the American people that our electricity prices would skyrocket. At the same time, Hillary said she was going to shut down coal production in WV and put the people on food stamps and welfare, and then the left has the audacity to call WEst Virginians ignorant, white, hillbillies. I say to the left, keep it up. You’re doing great.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 1:02 PM
Comment #419006

Remember when Trump and the Australian PM conversed, and the media reported they argued, and Trump said:

“Thank you to Prime Minister of Australia for telling the truth about our very civil conversation that FAKE NEWS media lied about. Very nice!”
4:34 AM - Feb 3, 2017

Oh wait. Now we see the transcript:

“As far as I am concerned that is enough Malcom [sic]. I have had it. I have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. Putin was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.”

Conclusion: once again, the media was telling the truth, and Trump lied.

Remember all those chants about how we were going to build a wall, and Mexico was going to pay for it?

Sure you do.

Oh wait. Now we see that transcript too. Guess it was always obvious. Mexico was not going to pay for the wall, and Trump knew it. Just another lie.

Remember how the unemployment numbers were all faked? And now they are good! And of the 82 consecutive months of job growth, apparently only the last few count.

Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

Blaine,
The death of coal had nothing to do with Obama or Hillary Clinton. It had everything to do with fracking. Coal is not economically competitive, and nothing will change that, unless they outlaw fracking. It is cruel to the people of WV to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: phx8 at August 4, 2017 2:05 PM
Comment #419007

ph, then perhaps you can explain the increase in coal production in WV and Pennsylvania? And perhaps you can explain why Obama and Hillary forecast the demise of coal production, considering Obama and Hillary were against fracking? Fracking had nothing to do with Obama and Hillary, but the shutting down of coal production did and it was promised when fracking was in the planning stages. Obama shut down production of oil on federal lands; in fact Obama did his best to shut down all production of all fossil fuels.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 2:27 PM
Comment #419008

Perhaps one of you geniuses on the left could tell us which leftist in the democrat party could organize a rally like the one in WV yesterday. Trump could do this every day, anywhere in the country. People stand in line for hours to hear him. Which democrat could do the same? And the answer from the left is, “they are ignorant white people”.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 2:33 PM
Comment #419009

Gee Phx8, what do you think normal voters care more about?

- Their President playing down a spat with the leader of another country?
OR
- Their premiums skyrocketing after their President lying about saving $2500 and keeping their health plans and doctors?

Man you guys are so blind to what the average American considers important.

Posted by: kctim at August 4, 2017 2:43 PM
Comment #419010

kctim, the left accuses us of limiting ourselves to nothing more than Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or some other conservative news outlet; but I say the truth is that we are well versed in everything that is taking place and that the left are guilty of the very thing they accuse us. They listen to whacko’s like Pelosi and Maxine Waters (both of which are losing their minds), and the MSM that refuses to cover many stories. They have no idea of Trump’s accomplishments, and they fail to understand why he hasn’t lost any of his supporters. They love to quote Trumps poll numbers (of which why should anyone believe) yet fail to understand why the congress has a 10% approval rating.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 3:06 PM
Comment #419011

“And just in case, the House & Senate are passing regulations to protect Mueller and make him bullet proof.”

phx8, are you really that ill-informed on the Constitutional rights and duties of the chief executive. Congress can’t pass laws usurping the presidents power.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 4, 2017 3:23 PM
Comment #419012

Blaine,
It is easier to blame Fox and Rush than it is to accept the rejection of their policy.

Posted by: kctim at August 4, 2017 3:30 PM
Comment #419013

Hillary called conservatives “deplorables”. Now, the good folks in West Virginia are slammed as ignorant, drooling incompetents. Luv the new Democrat tactic in attracting voters. They lost the presidency despite promising a helicopter money drop.

With the change of party by the Gov. of WV, the Republicans now have thirty-five of the fifty governorship. With a little more bashing by the Dems and their media supporters we could perhaps increase our control of governorship’s to forty by 2020.

The Democrat Party is now nearly totally controlled by the media. Joe Biden remains the highest rated in polling for their next presidential candidate. Imagine that…Joe Biden.

California, totally controlled by the Democrat Party has become a national embarrassment. You never see a democrat politician from California chew gun and walk at the same time. Too challenging.

The Republicans have an opportunity to bring American back on the course that led to our world prominence as a beacon of Liberty and Freedom and the engine of capitalism that brought much of the world out of poverty and darkness.

I fear the Republicans we have in national office will squander this opportunity with their petty self-interest and loathing to give up personal perks and riches.

A third party is needed as Roy has observed for some time. I will help with both my time and money.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 4, 2017 3:46 PM
Comment #419014

kctim, you are correct.

Royal, a perfect example of what happens when the left limits themselves to the liberal media.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 3:50 PM
Comment #419015

AG Sessions at a press conference today said…”One of the things we are doing is reviewing policies affecting media subpoenas,” Sessions announced. “They cannot place lives at risk with impunity.”

He specifically referenced the media, saying while their role in investigating stories deserves “respect,” their involvement in leaking sensitive information “is not unlimited.”

Hurrah.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 4, 2017 3:54 PM
Comment #419017

It’s about time someone was held responsible. phx8 loves to talk about the leaking of conversations between Trump and foreign heads of state, but on his ignorance he fails to understand that this is conversations that must remain classified. Would he have wanted Obama’s conversations with foreign leaders released to the press? Or of Hillary had won, would he have wanted hers released? I doubt it.

It’s time that people were sent to prison.

Posted by: Blaine at August 4, 2017 4:11 PM
Comment #419020

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/4/16085892/trump-support-battleground-districts

You guys really need to rethink your strategy.

Posted by: kctim at August 4, 2017 5:13 PM
Comment #419026

I would like to poll my Conservative Pals.

How many “leakers” paraded before the cameras and charged with crimes will it take before the leaking stops?

My guess is two. Comey and Lynch.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 4, 2017 6:47 PM
Comment #419034

Royal, While a few may be charged I doubt that any of them will receive more than a handslap, slightly different than a handshake.

Why has it taken the gop’er’s 10 months to even mouth a warning to leakers? They knew what Obama had done. They saw the number of leaks go thru the ceiling. They chose to do nothing.

A FOIA request on Lynch, before the election, shows several exchanges relating to the tarmac conference. Every word redacted. Now, I think another private group is asking for another FOIA find on Lynch.

This new FBI Director, have u heard a single word from him? Has he held a press conference? How hard is it for him to go down in the basm’t and pick up papers on Hil, Lynch, Comey, and so on - - - It must be the shear weight of them…

Incumbent GOP’er’s need to go… up with a new 3rd party.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 4, 2017 8:14 PM
Comment #419075
How many “leakers” paraded before the cameras and charged with crimes will it take before the leaking stops?

Jared & Ivanka’s cohort are the biggest leakers of them all. Because neither Trump nor Sessions have the balls to bring those criminals to justice, the leaks will not stop.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 5, 2017 7:36 PM
Comment #419076

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/libel

You lefties are really loose with your charges. Warren Porter calls Ivanka and Jared criminals. Where’s the proof? phx8 writes in the past tense as if Trump has already been found guilty. He says it will all come out in the investigation. Why does it have to come out in the investigation if phx8 has already stated it as fact?

I believe they are confusing rumor and conjecture with proof. It’s part of the plan. The problem is they refuse to believe they can’t make it stick. They keep repeating it thinking it will eventually fall into place and they will get what they want. They refuse to believe they won’t be able to pull it off this time so we all have to suffer them repeating it over and over.

It is libel, what they’re doing. Make no mistake about it. The only reason they can get away with it is because no one believes what they’re saying.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 5, 2017 10:18 PM
Comment #419077

Jay Sokolov (sp), who is one of Trump’s lawyers, who I believe used to be part of Judicial Watch, stated that Trump was not under investigation for anything. It’s interesting how Porter and ph believe these conspiracy theories. It shows a real lack of intelligence. They rattle off stuff that sounds like something you’d read in the National Enquirer.

Posted by: Blaine at August 5, 2017 10:35 PM
Comment #419078

Why are conservatives so worried about transparency in our government? Used to be transparency was something we strive for, now that Trump is..well..urr..umm.. leading the circus, is the best description, it is called leaks. I think this is just Trumps way of limiting the free press as he continues his battle against the first amendment.

How shameful it is to see staunch Trump supporters feigning leaks from the WH then blaming those that do their jobs, such as Comey and Lynch (who by the way wasn’t even in office after Trump was sworn in office to provide “leaks” to the media). Trumped up charges from the Trump administration as they move to oppress the free press in this country yet no one on the right, here on WB, has the cajones to admit this whole “leaks” scam is merely the run up to the enabling act for Trump.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 6, 2017 12:18 AM
Comment #419079
Give us some words on when the last time an entity other than the dem’s broke glass and carried on like a**holes?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/03/500496061/fbi-investigating-burning-of-black-church-painted-with-vote-trump

J2, I’ve been writing about corpocracy for five years or so and you always fein ignorance as to what it means. That’s a dem ploy used on a worldwide basis.

Five years! You upstart five years is nothing. Progressives have been warning of the dangers of the corpocracy while you were still trying to figure out what it was all about Roy. So I don’t know where you get off saying I am feigning anything.

It seems to jme the only problem here is you are clueless about who the corpocracy controls and who is part of the corpocracy. Trump is a silver spoon that is part of the corpocracy FYI, based upon his record so before you start spouting nonsense remember you support Trump and therefore by default support the corpocracy.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 6, 2017 12:49 AM
Comment #419082

Just like the faux Kobach led witch hunt on “voter fraud” the attack on “sensitive information leaks” is shaping up to be another McCarthy witch hunt. The “white house of unAmerican activities committee” will help Trump further his goal of suppressing the free press because journalist attempt to keep the government in line. It is a sad day for most Americans as the conservatives start the purge. How long before the enabling act?

BTW Roy do you really think all the damage at the antifascist events are caused by them? You seem to forget the NeoNazis are there as well.

Give us some words on when the last time an entity other than the dem’s broke glass and carried on like a**holes?

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/

Posted by: j2t2 at August 6, 2017 11:48 AM
Comment #419083

And that’s the dem way, j2. Try to pawn off a bunch of mad cattle ranchers in Oregon holding some state owned land hostage as a politically based riot. I want to seem some flicks with Chicago buildings on fire, rock throwing, glass breaking, tear gas and all that. And all you can come up with is a few mad cattle ranchers in the boonies. But, I guess you did use your best shot …

The dem party is daid, j2. I just don’t see why one would carry water for them any longer. The rep party ain’t far behind, IMO. I’m hopeful they can be voted from office in large numbers over the next few years.

Kain’t say I’ve heard you ranting against ‘corporations’ or campaign finance or anti trust.

“I think this is just Trumps way of limiting the free press as he continues his battle against the first amendment.”

I assume from that stmt you are ok with the leaking of national security and/or classified info.

… a continuing battle against the first amd’t…
just jibberish, j2.

To say that Trump is a ‘corpocratist’ is also jibberish, j2. Trump is a self made man who ran against 16 or so of the corpocracy’s finest and beat the socks off them. Now, they are refusing to support his agenda, part of which is tearing up their little corpocratist empire, ‘NAFTA’ and the defunct but still functional, NAU, TPP, Obamacare and similar.

Yes, the republican corpocracy want’s Obamacare to remain. Thru OC they have been able to get the price of insurance up by 400 - 1000% and they ain’t going to give it up w/o a flight. It will be a name change only unless Hannity and Trump can effect some real change.`

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 6, 2017 1:04 PM
Comment #419084

Just thinking what a great abuse the corpocracy (dems/reps) has brought against the citizens. People from other countries have come into this country and carried out unspeakable atrocities, often with impunity.

Even worse, IMO, is that the citizenry approved of, and encouraged it in many cases and did little or nothing to prevent it.

It will go down in the anals of history as a fluke experiment of great proportion.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 6, 2017 2:03 PM
Comment #419085
You lefties are really loose with your charges. Warren Porter calls Ivanka and Jared criminals. Where’s the proof?

I wonder if you will ask the same question of Royal Flush regarding Comey & Lynch.

I believe they are confusing rumor and conjecture with proof. It’s part of the plan. The problem is they refuse to believe they can’t make it stick. They keep repeating it thinking it will eventually fall into place and they will get what they want. They refuse to believe they won’t be able to pull it off this time so we all have to suffer them repeating it over and over.

Notice the following words are absent in my comments discussing Mueller’s investigation: “proof”, “guilty”, “crime”, etc. I fully understand that the public has no clue what is going on. I am just reminding conservatives of the implausibility of the official White House story. It could very well be true that Don Junior’s infamous meeting in June 2016 was the ONLY interaction he ever had with Russians during the campaign. If so, Mueller’s investigation will tell us after exhausting all possible leads. I am just skeptical that is the case. It is my opinion (not proven fact) that this will end badly for Donald Trump and it is my suggestion to his supporters to see the writing on the wall and alter their opinions accordingly.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 6, 2017 2:37 PM
Comment #419086

“Yes, the republican corpocracy want’s Obamacare to remain.”

I certainly agree with Roy on this. And, the corpocracy shills in both parties are loath to make changes in medical tort law or weed out Medicare and Medicaid fraud, abuse and unnecessary tests and procedures. Billions of dollars are added unnecessarily to the cost of health care to fund the greed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 6, 2017 3:40 PM
Comment #419088
And that’s the dem way, j2. Try to pawn off a bunch of mad cattle ranchers in Oregon holding some state owned land hostage as a politically based riot.

Yes Roy it is the truth, the way we roll. Face it man These guys were politically motivated and they trashed the place. An armed militia taking over a wildlife reserve for 41 days, stolen machine guns, shoot outs with the police, threatening government workers. No it doesn’t compare to a day or two of walking down the street protesting without weapons or shoot out with the police. It is much worse than that.


The dem party is daid, j2. I just don’t see why one would carry water for them any longer.

I’m not carrying water for anyone Roy, it is you guys on the right that, here on WB, mistakenly call me a dem.

Kain’t say I’ve heard you ranting against ‘corporations’ or campaign finance or anti trust.

I’m not surprised Roy but that doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. It was actually Royal and Weary as well as most on the right that were all for the SCOTUS campaign decision of the Roberts court not me. In fact if memory serves I was the one that linked to the Powell Memo for you a few years back.Consistently it has been those on the right that have called me a conspiracy nut while they backed the corporations and big business. I wonder why you would think all of a sudden it was the conservatives that have railed against the influence of the billionaires.

I assume from that stmt you are ok with the leaking of national security and/or classified info.

No I am against everything being classified so it doesn’t get reported in the news. I am against Trump and his call for a restricted free press in this country. I am against the faux voter fraud panel of Trump and his conservative allies. Why should I believe Trump on the “leaks” issue when he has lied about the voter fraud issue?

To say that Trump is a ‘corpocratist’ is also jibberish, j2. Trump is a self made man who ran against 16 or so of the corpocracy’s finest and beat the socks off them.

Trump is a corporation Roy. He has brought with him into office his cronies and his family to reap the rewards of mixing government with his business interests. Self made man is funny, Roy, as he started out near the top of the ladder with millions from Dad on top of millions in loan guarantees from Dad after Dad paid for a top rate college education for him. Hardly self made.

Yes, the republican corpocracy want’s Obamacare to remain. Thru OC they have been able to get the price of insurance up by 400 - 1000% and they ain’t going to give it up w/o a flight. It will be a name change only unless Hannity and Trump can effect some real change.

And I want medicare/medicaid for all Roy, how about you. The repubs plan or Trumpcare wasn’t any better all it did was create wealthcare instead of healthcare.`Cutting taxes on the billionaires isn’t health care Roy. It is corpocracy.

If Hannity and Trump are the answer the question must be name two conservatives with the ability to fool movement followers. Because they haven’t offered anything of value as far as fixing the health insurance problem we face today.

BTW “they” have had the price of healthcare and health insurance inflated long before Obamacare. Obamacare was an attempt to fix it but instead all we got was record profits for insurance companies as they went to the high deductible, high costs insurance plans through employers and blamed it on Obamacare..

Posted by: j2t2 at August 6, 2017 4:39 PM
Comment #419089

“Obamacare was an attempt to fix it but instead all we got was record profits for insurance companies as they went to the high deductible, high costs insurance plans through employers and blamed it on Obamacare.”

A truly stunning statement by someone who certainly knows better. Pure politics and hyperbole.

Obama sold the program as lowering premiums for working families, keeping your own doctor and plan, and much more. He knew they were all lies. The insurance companies all backed Obamacare as it included legislated wealth for them.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 6, 2017 5:02 PM
Comment #419090

So Obamacare was passes and immediately the price of insurance policies double, tripled, and quadruple; deductibles and co-pays went through the roof; and people were forced to buy insurance coverage they didn’t need or just pay an ever increasing penalty, and it wasn’t the fault of Obamacare? Sure, and if you believe that, I have some swamp land in Florida I will sell cheap.

The drastic increase in HC insurance happened after Obamacare was passed; why do you think people want it repealed?

But I do have one question; where do you and ph get your conspiracy ideas?

Posted by: Blaine at August 6, 2017 5:04 PM
Comment #419091

Right Royal. Hannity is making noise about some HC association in maybe Kansas. Folks pay a monthly ‘fee’ of something like $50/mo and the association takes care of their health needs.

Don’t know anything more about it and nothing as to long term, serious illnesses. But, there is nothing in the MSM about it as I can tell.

Anyway, if Trump doesn’t make it then Hannity is the man I’m looking at to get us on the right track, preferably thru a 3rd party ticket.

At this time Hannity could win over any dem and likely would win over Trump in a primary runoff.

Sorry j2. You couldn’t vote for Hannity as he is worth some $100M, has an $80M/yrr salary. Bad …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 6, 2017 5:12 PM
Comment #419092

Roy, I don’t watch or listen to Hannity very much. I find him boring and too repetitive. He talks over his guests and I really hate that. Why invite someone on your show and then not let them speak?

I agree with much of what Hannity believes and could vote for him as a Republican or other party nominee; but that will never happen.

I am focusing on the mid-term elections and will do all I can to oust some Republican incumbents and nominate others. Trump is willing to do the heavy-lifting, take the heat from the opposition, and his ideas are good, to very good. He needs more in congress who are willing to vote for the American worker, the American family, and the American culture of hard work, fairness, religious tolerance and smaller more responsive national government.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 6, 2017 5:47 PM
Comment #419093

Yeah Royal. Hannity does force the conversation he wants. And, he is repetitive but, he drives it home as to the ills of the country. Likewise, I agree with most of what he believes and supports.

I do believe that Trump would have lost the election had it not been for Hannity. And, here lately, Hannity, IMO, has forced some reps to seek justice for some things the dem’s have done over the last couple of years. Don’t believe congress would have set their vacations back had Hannity not been biting at their heels.

Some say we have to have a Christian revival before we can expect a 3rd party to come to power. I believe we can have a 3rd party that brings about a Christian revival.

Either way, we do need a new 3rd party w/a/dif/pol/att …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 6, 2017 8:31 PM
Comment #419094
Jared & Ivanka’s cohort are the biggest leakers of them all. Because neither Trump nor Sessions have the balls to bring those criminals to justice, the leaks will not stop.
Posted by: Warren Porter at August 5, 2017 7:36 PM

You called them criminals. That’s libel.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 6, 2017 10:08 PM
Comment #419095

A double ‘L’ as I see it. Libel and Liberal. Wonder which is worse?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at August 6, 2017 10:33 PM
Comment #419096
So Obamacare was passes and immediately the price of insurance policies double, tripled, and quadruple;
Obama sold the program as lowering premiums for working families,

“BTW “they” have had the price of healthcare and health insurance inflated long before Obamacare. Obamacare was an attempt to fix it but instead all we got was record profits for insurance companies as they went to the high deductible, high costs insurance plans through employers and blamed it on Obamacare..”

Record profits don’t come with lowered premiums guys, neither does complete coverage to the less healthy amongst us. I mean think about it the insurance companies competed, prior to Obamacare, for the healthiest people not on price and quality! Some racket isn’t it, they could exclude some people and make more money! Heck of a way to run health insurance for a country.


Then of course we had the deliberate attempts by conservatives to undermine Obamacare by not expanding medicaid in some states and by defunding Obamacare which of course results in higher premiums.

When we look back to the days before Obamacare we see premiums increased …what 11 to 14% per year and this was when the insurers could exclude pre-existing conditions and those that are ill. Yet you guys complain complain complain about the increases of what 15 to 20% on average and blame it on Obamacare alone.

Yes some insurers lost money at the start in the Obamacare market and some didn’t make as much as they expected to make but overall they have had record profits by upping premiums on employers insurance. A bad deal for everyone but the insurance companies, the corpocracy.

So yes guys lets repeal and replace Obamacare but to repeal and replace it with the sorry POS repubs proposed doesn’t work.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 7, 2017 12:29 AM
Comment #419102

j2, I could think of a lot of things that Obama did that your side would want to defend, but Obamacare is not one of them. Your saying 15 to 20% increase in premiums, yet it’s a fact premiums went up from one to three hundred percent. There is no support for Obamacare from the working class and up. Or in other words, no support from the Americans who are being hosed by the redistribution of wealth.

You are trying to blame republicans for the failure of Obamacare by saying republicans won’t continue the bailout that democrats set up. Sorry, but that won’t work. Obama and the democrats passed a law (without any republican support) and knew that it was designed to fail. It’s another known fact that Obamacare was meant to morph into a single payer government run HC system. Americans don’t want this. If they did, it would have passed under Hillarycare. Remember, the Clinton’s failed attempt? So your side passes Obamacare, with the goal of it failing, and then you have the audacity to talk about insurance company profits when another goal of Obamacare was to pump tax dollars into the insurance companies through subsidies. It’s a lie from the left. Much like the lie of republicans and Goldman Sachs. Run a google search on Hillary Clinton and Goldman Sachs and see who was really involved with each other.

It’s sad to watch the democrats implode, but when the spokespeople for the democrats are people like Maxine Waters, Pelosi, Schumer, Rahm Emanuel, and the clown in charge of the DNC; your going to see a continued loss of democrat seats and an exodus from the party.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2017 8:56 AM
Comment #419103

But moving on to something that really matters; the Trump administration has another success story. Yesterday, the Trump administration has managed to pass a UN sanction against NK, with the support of all the security council. Cutting a billion dollars from NK’s weapon building budget. It is said this is the greatest move by the security council in a generation.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2017 9:09 AM
Comment #419104
It’s another known fact that Obamacare was meant to morph into a single payer government run HC system.

Blaine I’m just not sure you would know a fact if it hit you on the head. Medicare/Mediciad isn’t a government run HC system., It is a single payer insurance system.

Americans don’t want this. If they did, it would have passed under Hillarycare. Remember, the Clinton’s failed attempt?

I beg to differ Blaine, Americans want a single payer plan. It is what works in the rest of the world. The original Clinton plan in 1993 wasn’t a single payer plan.

BTW if what you say is true and factual, which would be a surprise, then congrats to Trump for his success in the UN.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 7, 2017 9:56 AM
Comment #419105

J2, if you are convinced that Medicare/Medicaid is not government run, then there’s nothing I can do to change your mind. But I will say, you are just flat wrong. I paid into Medicare for decades, guess who got my money…the government. I’m sitting here looking at my Medicare card, guess what…it’s a government card. Does idiot mean anything to you?

I have heard multiple democrat politicians and talking heads say that the goal of Obamacare was to impose a government run single payer system. So I suggest you stop listening to the wackos in the MSM and actually do some research.

Hillarycare was a prelude to a government run single payer system and the American people knew it and went crazy calling their politicians and saying NO!!! I was there and I called. Do some research!!!

Regarding the sanctions against NK…it’s all over the news, unless you are watching the leftist media. Then, they won’t touch it because it gives credit to Trump, and they can’t give any credit to Trump. It just goes to prove where you get your information. J2, the sanctions against NK are just one of the many successes Trump has had, but the leftist WILL NOT give him credit for anything. But it doesn’t change the fact, he is succeeding to do what he promised.

And lastly, a government run single payer system is not what Americans want, it is what the left wants. It will give them access to another 1/6th of the counties economy. The latest death of the baby in England is an example of government run HC. Plus the fact that the British government just this past week made the statement that obese people and smokers will not be allowed to have major medical services. I bet that wasn’t on the leftist MSM either. So, the idea of government death panels is also a fact.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2017 12:54 PM
Comment #419115

“Then of course we had the deliberate attempts by conservatives to undermine Obamacare by not expanding medicaid in some states and by defunding Obamacare which of course results in higher premiums.”

One has to admire the cojones this writer must possess to lie so boldly and expect knowledgeable people to swallow it.

Does j2t2 believe the same about other government subsidies? Do we undermine poverty by not expanding food stamps? Do we undermine abortion by not having taxpayers pay for it? Does our brain trust Pal not know who pays for Medicaid?

j2t2 also is unaware of the health insurance industry helping to write Obamacare as it provided a glut of money for these greedy bastards. Much of the medical community crawled into bed with the Master of Deception knowing that more government involvement with medical care would be good for their bottom line.

Everyone who works for a living suffers under Obamacare.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 7, 2017 3:34 PM
Comment #419116

The Democrat Party has become a “bicoastal” party with a message aimed only at extreme Liberalism and ignored by everyone else.

They had a chance for great congressional gains in 2016 as more Republican seats were up for election. We were told by all our Pals on the Left that after the election we would have Hillary for president and a Democrat congress and senate.

Once again we hear these same shrill voices telling us of the destruction coming to Republicans and Conservatives in 2020. They expect President Trump will have been impeached by then. And, despite more Democrat seats being challenged in 2020, they expect Republicans to lose control of both the House and Senate.

I encourage their dabbling in the occult to predict success for their political agenda.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 7, 2017 3:44 PM
Comment #419117

Correction. I am referring to the House and Senate elections in 2018, not 2020.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 7, 2017 3:46 PM
Comment #419118

Royal, this is what I see happening. First the Democratic Party is a non issue; they have allowed themselves to go so far to the left that the only support they have comes from the East and West coast liberals. And of course the major metropolitan areas, which could change under Trump. I heard years ago the democrats tell you exactly what they’re afraid of; and the constant push for more illegals/amnesty is showing us the fear they have of losing the black vote. What the left fails to understand is that Trump is not a conservative. Trump holds and supports conservative ideals, but he also supports moderate ideals. Which means he can draw voters from democrat, independent, or republican. And this leads me to my next point. If the republicans don’t get their heads out of their annul canals, Trump could very well run on a third party ticket. This would destroy the Republican Party. I don’t believe it would ever recover. If Trump keeps doing what he has promised, he will draw votes from all three groups. What other republican, democrat, or independent could have rallied like Trump. It doesn’t matter what the polls say and it doesn’t matter what the radical left says; Trump is loved by his supporters. Let’s look at something; the democrats, media, and anti Trump republicans continue to attack Trump about a nonissue Russian collusion. In 2020 the Republican Party runs another establishment Senator who believes it’s his turn, the democrats run Hillary again, or Saunders, or even the west coast liberal Harris or the east coast liberal Pocahontas; how do you think the American people will react? I’m not looking at this through the emotion of liberalism, I’m looking through logic, and I don’t see it ending well for democrats or republicans.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2017 4:52 PM
Comment #419119

Interesting analysis Blaine. I will wait for the outcome of the 2018 elections before I make predictions.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 7, 2017 4:57 PM
Comment #419121

I have another interesting analysis, but I will have to wait until I get to my laptop to send it. To difficult on the iPhone. I actually have more faith in the second. I’m sure you will enjoy it, but it will makes liberal heads explode.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2017 5:45 PM
Comment #419127

Thanks Blaine, I will watch for it. What fun to see “liberal heads explode” when confronted with truth.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 7, 2017 6:06 PM
Comment #419134
What fun to see “liberal heads explode” when confronted with truth.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

But Blaine makes some very salient points. Donald Trump is not a conservative and that is his secret weapon for winning reelection in 2020. Right now he has nominally supported Paul Ryan’s agenda because he surrounds the West Wing with Republicans. Of course, conservatism is an ideology that came in fourth place in last year’s election behind Socialism, Neoliberalism and Populism. Conservatism has no business in Washington DC and its continued influence is only making voters angrier and angrier.

In 2018, voters will excise the conservative cancer once and for all by putting the House’s gavel back in the hands of Democrats. By this point, Mueller’s investigation will be nearing its conclusion. I think there will be an understanding reached. Democrats will agree to censure the President rather than impeach him under the condition that he changes the West Wing’s staff. Free of those irksome Republican advisors, Donald Trump will become a truly great President, working alongside Democrats in Congress. I don’t know if he’ll be healthy enough to run for reelection in 2020 though.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 7, 2017 10:28 PM
Comment #419137
J2, if you are convinced that Medicare/Medicaid is not government run, then there’s nothing I can do to change your mind. But I will say, you are just flat wrong. I paid into Medicare for decades, guess who got my money…the government. I’m sitting here looking at my Medicare card, guess what…it’s a government card. Does idiot mean anything to you?

OK Blaine now follow this train of thought out just a bit farther. Do you pick your own hospital and doctor with Medicare? Or do you go to a government hospital and are assigned a Doctor? Medicare is a single payer type system of health insurance not health care. See how simple it is when you actually respond to what is said, which was ” Medicare/Mediciad isn’t a government run HC system., It is a single payer insurance system.”

BTW yes idiot is just another name for Blaine why do you ask such things?

I have heard multiple democrat politicians and talking heads say that the goal of Obamacare was to impose a government run single payer system. So I suggest you stop listening to the wackos in the MSM and actually do some research.

The only wackos I listen to is you and the conservatives here on WB Blaine. But tell you what why not link to some of these politicians for me. You see a single payer system is what we need, these politicians should be proud of themselves.

Hillarycare was a prelude to a government run single payer system and the American people knew it and went crazy calling their politicians and saying NO!!! I was there and I called. Do some research!!!

I was there as well Blaine it was not a single payer system, as far as a “prelude” to a single payer system that is simply conservative propaganda as it didn’t come close to the supposed goal.

Regarding the sanctions against NK…it’s all over the news, unless you are watching the leftist media. Then, they won’t touch it because it gives credit to Trump, and they can’t give any credit to Trump.

I heard it on the MSNM today Blaine, which causes me to think you have no clue. The only difference between Newmax and CNN is …well… nothing. Neither gave Trump credit for the actions of the UN. Sp maybe just maybe it is wishful thinking on your part that Trump would get the credit for the actions of the UN.

It just goes to prove where you get your information. J2, the sanctions against NK are just one of the many successes Trump has had, but the leftist WILL NOT give him credit for anything. But it doesn’t change the fact, he is succeeding to do what he promised.

As desperation sinks in you seem to be grasping at more and more straws BLaine. Trump used NK as a reason to not keep a campaign promise, the one about labeling China as a currency manipulator. He has promised to act on NK the past month or so but no mentio n of the UN. So tell me BLaine what exactly did Trump do or say the caused the UN to get a bit tougher on the missile testing in NK?

And lastly, a government run single payer system is not what Americans want, it is what the left wants. It will give them access to another 1/6th of the counties economy.

Read it and weep Blaine-

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/data-note-modestly-strong-but-malleable-support-for-single-payer-health-care/


The latest death of the baby in England is an example of government run HC.

Blaine what kind of low life politicizes the death of a baby like this? You should be ashamed of yourself.


Plus the fact that the British government just this past week made the statement that obese people and smokers will not be allowed to have major medical services.

We heard all about the lack of funding by conservatives in the British government that have forced this type of comment from those responsible for health care in Britain.

I bet that wasn’t on the leftist MSM either. So, the idea of government death panels is also a fact.

Wow such a jump in reasoning Blaine. Being conservative allows you to have a free reign when it comes top logical conclusions, facts and truth but this is extreme IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 8, 2017 12:12 AM
Comment #419157
“Then of course we had the deliberate attempts by conservatives to undermine Obamacare by not expanding medicaid in some states and by defunding Obamacare which of course results in higher premiums.”

One has to admire the cojones this writer must possess to lie so boldly and expect knowledgeable people to swallow it.


Royal you must be living under a rock to think the conservatives did nothing to Obamacare the past 7 years. In fact your boy, Rubio sponsored a bill to undermine the ACA. Of course you seem to forget or deny the conservative state that refused to expand medicaid/medicare. So before you call me a liar I would suggest a trip to the mirror. You are not as knowledgeable as you tell us you are.


Does j2t2 believe the same about other government subsidies? Do we undermine poverty by not expanding food stamps? Do we undermine abortion by not having taxpayers pay for it? Does our brain trust Pal not know who pays for Medicaid?

Wow a straw man from Royal, I’m shocked….not. The fact is Royal the Rubio bill undermined the risk corridors of the law increasing premiums. The states that refused to expand medicare/medicaid caused premiums to rise in the private market.

j2t2 also is unaware of the health insurance industry helping to write Obamacare as it provided a glut of money for these greedy bastards.

As is the case in many states and at the federal level Royal. ALEC consistently writes the law for conservative legislatures. Lobbyist often do the same at the Federal level. Do you think Trumpcare was written by Trump? Or by the repubs! It is a problem isn’t it. But conservative propaganda like the nonsense you and Blaine spout regularly isn’t the solution to either healthcare or the corruption of the legislatures.

Look Royal I’m not a fan of Obamacare any more than you are but lets face it you losers screwed the pooch with Trumpcare and you got is shoved up your Trump rump. It isn’t the answer either.
IMHO it is time for a single payer system and a time to go after the corruption in the health insurance and health care industries that cause the price of health care to be twice that of other countries. The free market isn’t the answer to the health care problem as we can plainly see.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 8, 2017 11:03 AM
Comment #419165

Warren Porter is so transparent in his attempt to provoke Conservatives by writing nonsense.

You will need many years of practice to successfully pull off such attempts Warren.

“Look Royal I’m not a fan of Obamacare any more than you are…”

Now that comment nearly took my breath away j2t2. Congrats for the honesty. And, you will find that I never endorsed any version of “Trumpcare”.

Recently I posted three things advocated by Dr. Krauthammer that will transform health care.

Here’s the link to the video.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5512146321001/?#sp=show-clips

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Posted by: Royal Flush at August 8, 2017 4:00 PM
Comment #419195
Warren Porter is so transparent in his attempt to provoke Conservatives by writing nonsense.

A weak retort written by a man with no new ideas.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 9, 2017 10:07 AM
Comment #419200

A weak retort written by a man with no new ideas.
Posted by: Warren Porter at August 9, 2017 10:07 AM

My Conservative Pals and I truly enjoy making Liberals/Progressives/Socialist squirm when presented with the truth.

It is fun to expose them for the charlatans they are when discussing such topics as the Constitution of the United States or Man made global warming.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 9, 2017 2:47 PM
Comment #419222

Could you imagine what this country would become if the left were able to implement all of their sick ideas?

Global warming was once called global cooling; that was back before WP’s time. When we were warned of an approaching ice age. Then it became global warming, but that’s not working out as planned. So now we move on to climate change. The nice thing about climate change is that if the polar ice caps increase in size or decrease in size…it is the fault of climate change. All the bases are covered.

Next we have the claim by the supporters of climate change that individual weather events have nothing to do with climate change. Climate change is the results of cumulative data gather over extended periods of time. But telling people of events that will take place far in the future won’t work. So the climate change promoters decided it would be better to use everyday weather to scare everyone into believing the lie. A drought becomes the result of climate change, a flood, a hurricane, a tornado, a flood…they all become the results of climate change. Then we add to that the dire warnings of people like Al Gore (who has become rich off the lie), warning of impending doom, and the vegetable Stephen Hawking (the smartest man in the world) who is now warning the little heads of mush (college grads who still live with their parents) that if we don’t colonize Mars, the human race will be extinguished. So now the left wants to move to Mars and polite another planet.

Let me ask a question of our supporters of climate change. Let me describe the events caused by climate change and ask if it sounds about right.

Drought, famine, earthquakes, sea life dying, plant life dying, people dying, fresh water poisoned, violent storms, the sun scorching the earth, rivers and lakes drying up, and possible blocking of the sun by dust. Do any of these sound about right?

Posted by: Blaine at August 9, 2017 7:31 PM
Comment #419233
My Conservative Pals and I truly enjoy making Liberals/Progressives/Socialist squirm when presented with the truth.

It is fun to expose them for the charlatans they are when discussing such topics as the Constitution of the United States or Man made global warming.

Funny how you do not respond to any of my ideas and yet you are the one throwing around baseless accusations. Here’s an idea, why not respond to what I actually write? Blaine gave his reading of the tea leaves and I gave mine. There’s no way to know today who is going to be right and who is wrong, it is just speculation, but I thought I’d at least hear a cogent reason why you believe Blaine’s ideas are better than mine.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 10, 2017 9:21 AM
Comment #419241

Well WP, you’ve spent most of your adult life studying the effects of climate change. Can’t you at least confirm or deny the effects I listed? I’m not reading tea leaves, I just want to know what an expert on the subject believes we are looking at in the future.

Posted by: Blaine at August 10, 2017 12:40 PM
Comment #419246

Blaine,

I’ve ignored your comments on climate change because they are not pertinent to the discussion here. Maybe another day.

My reference to “reading the tea leaves” was in regards to Comment #419118, and not your subsequent sophistry on the topic of climate change.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 10, 2017 2:53 PM
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