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President Trump and the Fall of the House of Reagan

One of the treats of Fridays is Matthew Continetti’s opinion pieces/editorials in the Washington Free Beacon. They are usually funny and observant, and often espouse rather counterintuitive views. He has been one of the few conservative columnists - along with Byron York - to take the Trump presidency seriously, for better and for worse, and not as some nightmare from which we will awaken when some form of ousting occurs - impeachment, Article 25, whatever - that so much of the media consume themselves with.

But this Friday, Continetti was forced to admit how absurd and perhaps dangerous the situation has become. What seemed a heated crucible got even hotter this past week. With Scaramucci's obscene rant at a New Yorker journalist who wrote about a dinner at the White House that may have been leaked, perhaps by Reince Priebus. With Sessions enduring in the face of sadistic taunts by President Trump.

And now with McCain rising from his hospital bed to stride into Congress and stick one up the unsunny end of the President's and the Senate's plan for a skinny repeal of Obamacare, the disruption is reaching a critical mass that may indicate something far deeper than merely Trump's style of governing. Yes, as Continetti puts it:

Trump doesn't want stability, he wants motion. He isn't interested in details or arguments, he's energized by accomplishments, achievements, placards on the wall. He doesn't have a cabinet, he has employees. And the primary job of those employees is to protect their boss.

But Trump has now gone beyond a war with the Washington establishment. He's at war with his own administration. And that may be the final straw that brings down his high-wire act. Maybe. Because President Trump - as candidate and as president - has defied every reasonable expectation of failure from the moment he rode the escalator to the cheers of a rented crowd. So the question becomes:

Can his mercurial will actually take on the very process of government in America?

The immediate answer would seem to be hell no. But there may be far more going on beneath the surface than we (that "we" especially includes Trump himself) are aware of. Continetti linked to a fascinating piece in nplusonemag.com, written earlier this year by Corey Robin that analyses the long term cycles that underlie America's republican system. It's based on work by Yale's Stephen Skowronek's 1993 study of presidential power. It works like this:

If you think about regimes as deep structures of interests and beliefs then you can think of presidents and regimes. Weak or strong presidents working with or opposing weak or strong regimes. The regime is a little like the culture that underlies Washington's power structure and the values that culture is based on.

In America these regimes tend to last for decades and go through a cycle of: reconstruction, articulation, preemption, and disjunction. For example. FDR brought down the Republican Gilded Age framework that was in tatters by the time he took over. Although some disagree that Lincoln's regime lasted that long. LBJ articulated the New Deal Regime that FDR had established with LBJ's Great Society entitlement bonanza. Nixon was unable to overthrow the still-strong New Deal Regime and had to gain advantage where he could with his Southern Strategy, and pander where he had to with wage and price controls as well as establishing the EPA. Nixon could only preempt in other words. Clinton was also forced to preempt Regan's regime in the 90's with his triangulation and third way policies.

And that leads to a fascinating and almost laughable comparison for Trump. Jimmy Carter, who was according to this theory was a disjunctive president who tried to reform a collapsing system - the New Deal Regime in it's inflationary, sclerotic, final stages in the late 70's - only to perish politically under the collapse of the ancient regime.

A little like Roderick Usher in Edgar Allen Poe's classic tale.

And that means that Trump may very well turn out to be a disjunctive president who tries to take on the Reagan coalition in it's final collapsing years but is unable to do so and is instead buried beneath its rubble. Of course, with Trump it's like he's bashing away at the foundation of the structure with a jackhammer and with nary a hard hat to be seen.

This is wonky and fascinating, and it might even be relevant. But right now no one knows if it is. Once again, we know not where we are heading. And by the way, Carter did accomplish some of the welfare state reform that Regan would then go on to use to build his shining city on a hill. So there may well be hope. But maybe not with President Trump.

And of course, the reconstructive president who may follow President Trump - and that's assuming Trump was the disjunctive president and not Obama who instead may have been a preemptive president - may create a regime that would horrify those of us who still admire what Reagan achieved. We just don't know who that president will be and what regime is coming down the road.

Posted by AllardK at July 28, 2017 2:16 PM
Comments
Comment #418739

AllardK honors Trump by equating him to the greatest Presidents in our history. He gives Trump the same standing as Lincoln, Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and Clinton. After only 6 months in office, perhaps AllardK has an ulterior motive for doing so.

AllardK seems to think Scaramucci’s rant is the iceburg that sank the Trumptanic. I think he’s getting ahead of himself. All Scaramucci’s rant did was feed the media beast for another month, if that long.

Lesson learned, I say. He says, also. He won’t trust another reporter the way he trusted this one. I wonder why his trust was misplaced when talking with a journalist from a liberal media? Was it because “off the record” doesn’t mean anything anymore and Scaramucci didn’t know yet, didn’t get the memo?

We’ll see, yes?

As far as sinking the Trumptanic? I don’t think so. I think AllardK’s assessment of Trump’s standing with other great presidents is closer to the truth than his prediction of Trump going down in flames because of this moment of indiscretion.

TaDAT TADAT TADAT NEWSFLASH

Trump fires Priebus

Perhaps there’s some truth to Scaramooci’s rant, after all!


Posted by: Weary Willie at July 28, 2017 7:25 PM
Comment #418751

Trump is a good president.

Posted by: Frank at July 28, 2017 9:25 PM
Comment #418752

Scaramooci is Trump’s baseball bat.

Everybody loves baseball!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 28, 2017 9:39 PM
Comment #418754

But instead of a gangster’s baseball bat, it’s a baseball bat used against the many glasses of “Swamp Water” that’s been placed about the room for “our protection”. Remember that one, Mr. Movie Star?

Trump is doing things differently. There’s a new sheriff in town, kiddos! Klinger dressed up as a girl to get OUT of the military, not to stay in it.

Trump’s getting this country’s business in order. He’s bringing it all on with his tweetering. Picking up a rug that’s got this much crap swept under it is dusty business!

I like the analogy of knocking the foundation down without a hard hat in sight. I thought that was funny. I also thought it’s a fair description of how he made 9 billion dollars!


Posted by: Weary Willie at July 28, 2017 9:50 PM
Comment #418756

Some people are calling the past week the worst one of his presidency. I’d rank it as third or fourth worse, but it was a doozy, no question. So you guys are jazzed?

1. Trump attacked AG Sessions. Apparently Trump wanted him to resign. Sessions did not resign.

2. The Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee warned Trump that he would NOT be able to get a confirmation hearing to replace an AG this year.

3. Republican Senators began a process to prevent Trump from firing Special Counsel Mueller. They are boxing him in.

4. Obamacare repeal and replace failed, denying Trump even one significant legislative victory despite seven months in office.

5. The GOP sent Trump a piece of legislation he did NOT want: sanctions on Russia (and North Korea and Iran).

6. Trump’s campaign manager has been subpoenaed to testify.
The Committee probably just want to give Manafort a puppy and two scoops of ice cream, but I doubt it.

7. Trump issued a policy change by tweet forbidding transgender people in the military. The military ignored him.

8. His new Communications Director gave an unforgettable lesson in how not to communicate.

9. Trump fired his Chief of Staff.

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2017 11:00 PM
Comment #418757

Add two more:

10. Trump gave a politically charged speech at the Boy Scouts Jamboree. The Boy Scouts, a non-partisan organization, apologized.

11. Trump endorsed police brutality:
“When you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, and I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’. Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head, I said, ‘You can take the hand away, OK?’”

Posted by: phx8 at July 28, 2017 11:58 PM
Comment #418777

Phx8,

Your comments fall on deaf ears. The pro-Trumpists here aren’t interested in scrutinizing their dear leader in any way. Blind loyalty to the emperor is the preferred route, even if said emperor wears no clothes.

That said, it’s been ages since Trump has gone a week without further embroiling itself in scandal. As each day drips by, the administration sinks further and further into its cesspool.

The Trump Train is hurtling towards a cliff at 100 MPH and there’s no stopping it at this point. The passengers who remain inside are so steeped in their thoughts that there is no persuading them. It’s best to wait for things to fall off the edge and salvage the wreckage after next year’s election.

I still believe President Trump has the potential to become one of America’s greatest Presidents, but he will need a Democratic Congress to temper his worst instincts.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 29, 2017 11:12 AM
Comment #418779

You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. I also like to watch cooking shows, so I’m having a great time.


Posted by: Weary Willie at July 29, 2017 11:29 AM
Comment #418803

Our Pal on the Left finds fault with President Trump because that is all he looks for.

Those of us who support him also see his successes as he promised when campaigning.

Bullying congress to work for the people by passing promised legislation is warranted in my opinion.

Encouragement given to our law enforcement agencies by the president is warranted.

Demanding our laws be enforced is part of the oath of office.

Shaming and not rewarding those entities who encourage illegal immigrants to break our laws is warranted.

Eliminating bureaucratic regulations that serve no useful purpose other than patronage is warranted.

Openly and proudly declaring a policy of “America First” is needed and warranted.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2017 2:50 PM
Comment #418804

WP,
It was possible to imagine a way Trump could have been successful, but really, it was just wishful thinking.

He knows nothing about government. He knows nothing about the military. He does not care about the rule of law. He lacks the experience, self-discipline, and temperament to be an effective president.

He is a student of no one and nothing, little better than the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving who rants about whatever pops into his head. He is a horrendously ineffective with people, relying on a hub and spoke model of management that might work in a small organization, but has no chance of succeeding in a large one.

Trump started his political career pushing Birtherism- the idea that Obama was not an American, and probably a Muslim. It went downhill from there.

So far we are drifting as a country. The generals and the Goldman Sachs guys are running America.

SoS Tillerson is rumored to be quitting. He can not hire people for State based on merit and competence. Kushner has prevented him, and wants appointments based on patronage and campaign donations.

Scientists have been booted from the EPA and elsewhere, to be replaced by industry lobbyists. Trump has already given more waivers to lobbyists to work in the government in 7 months, than Obama granted in 8 years. Transparency has become non-existent. The White House visitor logs are closed. Only a FOIA request will force Trump to reveal who he sees at his FL resort.

American world leadership has tanked. According to Pew, 64% had confidence in Obama; only 22% have confidence in Trump. It is the worst among our best allies. Only Russia has confidence in Trump by a wide margin.

Oh yeah. Did I mention Russia?

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2017 3:30 PM
Comment #418808

Here is what a president who means business sounds like. It’s about time that Members of Congress felt the same pain they have inflicted upon working class Americans.

I have no sympathy for insurance companies losing money on Obamacare. They crawled into bed with a “shyster” named Obama and his “wrecking-crew” congress and enjoyed the patronage.

“After seven years of ‘talking’ Repeal & Replace, the people of our great country are still being forced to live with imploding ObamaCare!” Trump tweeted. “If a new HealthCare Bill is not approved quickly, BAILOUTS for Insurance Companies and BAILOUTS for Members of Congress will end very soon!”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2017 4:09 PM
Comment #418812

RF,
“… BAILOUTS for Insurance Companies and BAILOUTS for Members of Congress will end very soon!”

No one- and I mean no one- knows what that means. What ‘bailouts’ is Trump talking about? Perhaps you can explain.

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2017 4:23 PM
Comment #418813

If my Pal on the Left would read something besides his usual Liberal crap, he might already have the answer he seeks.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 29, 2017 4:41 PM
Comment #418814

Searched “insurance company bailouts.” Could not find anything other than articles from a year ago. Those involved a bill led by Rubio that did away with “risk corridors.” The most recent GOP health care bills re-instated the corridors because they stabilize the markets.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/marco-rubio/rubio-we-wiped-out-obamacare-bailout-fund-insuranc/

Trump might be referring to the CSR’s, which are the subsidies the federal government collects from various health care related taxes and fees and pays to the insurers. The CSR’s have nothing to do with a bailout. If Trump withheld the payments, the current health care system would instantly collapse.

As for Congress, the part about bailouts seems vaguely threatening.

Seriously, no one knows what these threats even mean.

Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2017 5:12 PM
Comment #418842
AllardK honors Trump by equating him to the greatest Presidents in our history. He gives Trump the same standing as Lincoln, Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and Clinton. After only 6 months in office, perhaps AllardK has an ulterior motive for doing so.

Quite the twist Weary, worthy of the Onion IMHO. I thought AllardK did an excellent job and all you got out of it was honoring Trump! Zeig Heil my friend, the blind obedience award is yours.

Had you bothered to read what he said was “But this Friday, Continetti was forced to admit how absurd and perhaps dangerous the situation has become.” and “And that leads to a fascinating and almost laughable comparison for Trump. Jimmy Carter, who was according to this theory was a disjunctive president who tried to reform a collapsing system …”

But hey what do I know, right Weary? So please show me what I missed, you know the part where AllardK “honors Trump”. I mean he did mention Nixon and Carter as well as the others you mentioned so either you believe Johnson, Reagan and Clinton to be in the “greatest presidents in our history” group or you dizzed yourself because Trump was mentioned in the same post.

Meanwhile the point of the post seems to have been overlooked, I think…so here is the link- https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-politics-trump-makes/

BTW you didn’t really fall for the “off the record” excuse by this Scaramucci clown did you? A new position in the WH and an off the record interview with a journalist!

Posted by: j2t2 at July 30, 2017 2:37 PM
Comment #418843
Seriously, no one knows what these threats even mean. Posted by: phx8 at July 29, 2017 5:12 PM
I guess this is the “alternative perspective” that liz mentioned recently. This site opened in 2003. I was reading and posting in 2004. The right wing had alternative facts back then, the laffer curve and all the associated BS, but now it’s coming out of a word salad spinner.

Thanks, j2t2, pdx and WP for providing some reading material in between the alternative unreality, “thanks” to others for bringing this blog to its nadir.

I’m hoping someone records Kushner attempting to fire Gen John Kelly for treating the POS like a baby, if any of them last that long. If Kelly’s not going to “suffer idiots and fools” then maybe they’ll all be in Guantanamo soon.

The American Psychoanalytical Association now says it’s okay for it’s members to comment of the POS’s mental health. Maybe he had a lobotomy in russia.

From
https://www.statnews.com/2017/07/25/psychiatry-goldwater-rule-trump/ :

In fact, for decades the State Department and other federal agencies have asked psychiatrists to offer their views on the psychological state of foreign leaders, Glass pointed out, evidence that government officials believe it is possible to make informed inferences about mental states based on public behavior and speech.

Scaramucci’s wife is divorcing him for getting “involved” with the POS. This is not a unique phenomenon.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 30, 2017 2:56 PM
Comment #418844

The terrible thing is that the country reached this point through the Trump administration’s self-inflicted wounds. They have no credibility. None. They lie so much, no one can take them at their word on even the most trivial matters.

That wouldn’t matter so much except that, sooner or later, there will an external event causing a crisis, and this administration is utterly unprepared. There are a handful of competent generals and a whole bunch of Goldman Sachs guys; other than them, we are wide open for bad things to happen.

At State, Tillerson can not fill the top layers. He wants appointments based on competence and merit. Kushner is literally preventing his appointments because the Trump family wants to treat State as a huge swamp for patronage and payoffs.

DOJ and the justice system are under assault. Trump has already fired Acting AG Yates and FBI Director Comey, along with 100 District Attorneys. There are nearly daily attacks on the Acting Director of the FBI, his assistant, AG Sessions, Assistant AG Rosenstein, Special Counsel Mueller, his prosecutors, and more. Both Sally Yates and Ken Starr have just written op-eds opposing the destruction of our legal system.

The basic idea seems to be to undermine the rule of law as much as possible and to weaponize the Justice Department. Instead of a non-partisan organization, DOJ is becoming a weapon for attacking political opponents and protecting Donald Trump from investigation.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2017 3:36 PM
Comment #418845

phx8 doesn’t bother any more with “facts”. Instead, he goes straight to “fake” news for the most part. Unfortunately, the “real” news that he does comment on, he simply does not understand. Consequently, his analysis is flawed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2017 3:54 PM
Comment #418846

RF,
So… Ya got nothin’.

So much for all that tough talk about bailouts. As soon as Trump can figure it out, boy oh boy, he’s really gonna really show somebody… something… Just you wait.

FOX thinks Trump is talking about the CSR’s, even though CSR’s are NOT bailouts. A person would have to be pretty stupid to believe that. Which explains Trump-

Faced with an inability to deal with facts about the State Department & DOJ, you dismiss them as if everything critical of Trump is ‘fake.’ What a tool.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2017 5:12 PM
Comment #418847

pdx8, interestingly, News Corps’ publications are starting to bail on the POS. I was watching Sky News Australia to see what might be the right wing future here. Murdoch will soon have to present an alternative to Sinclair when the Tribune deal goes through. WGN, with its great legacy, is about to turn into the biggest piece of garbage in broadcasting history.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 30, 2017 5:23 PM
Comment #418849

I think phx8 just makes things up…oh, that’s right, the apple don’t fall far from the tree… that’s what Harry Reid and Chucky Schumer does. Just make it up and if you say it enough, lefties like ph will believe it. As per Saul Alinsky. Problem is, those pesky conservative outlets. They just keep giving the facts and messing things up.

Posted by: Blaine at July 30, 2017 5:36 PM
Comment #418850

Our Liberal Pal phx8 loves to bloviate. This guy actually accuses President Trump of wanting to “undermine the rule of law”.

Sure hope the Republicans follow through on their plan for another “special counsel” to investigate all the possible criminality that has gone on by the Dems and their agents that SC Mueller doesn’t seem to care about.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2017 5:45 PM
Comment #418851

Op-ed by Kenneth Starr (prosecutor in Whitewater/ Paula Jones/ Monica Lewinsky investigations)

“What you are doing is harmful to your presidency and inimical to our foundational commitment as a free people to the rule of law.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kenneth-starr-mr-president-please-cut-it-out/2017/07/26/b9af0c78-723e-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.4445d3f77b69

Op-Ed by Sally Yates (Served as Acting AG)

“The president is attempting to dismantle the rule of law…”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/opinion/sally-yates-protect-the-justice-department-from-president-trump.html

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2017 6:08 PM
Comment #418852

Thanks for the research phx8. I have no problem with honorable people like Ken Starr or Sally Yates expressing their “opinion”.

Would phx8 like us to provide some quotes about Obama law-breaking by equally honorable people?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2017 6:26 PM
Comment #418853

What ph doesn’t comprehend is that we don’t care what Op-eds say. They’re just opinions and not facts. Ph thinks if he invokes Kenneth Starr’s name, it’s going to mean something important. I hate to say this ph, but just a few years ago you thought Kenneth Starr was the lowest form of lying dog crap on the earth. My, my, how things change. If the truth were known, more than half the republicans in the congress can’t stand Trump. They certainly don’t want him to succeed. So your links to republicans means nothing to me. For once in your life, pull your head out of your rear end and try to use the brain you have to think for yourself, instead of believing everything the Internet says.

Posted by: Blaine at July 30, 2017 6:37 PM
Comment #418854

I wonder if phx8 can explain this quote from Obama.

“We are not just going to be waiting for legislation. … I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone. And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions.”

Could that possibly mean…OH, OH…OH MY, bypass the Legislative Branch of government and rule by presidential edict?

He refused to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act.

He used his pen to wipe out key sections of the 1996 bipartisan welfare reform law.

President Obama has violated the Constitution by using executive orders to alter the Affordable Care Act.

and much, much more.


Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2017 6:39 PM
Comment #418855

Not to mention the fact that Obama used unauthorized czars to fill cabinet posts, in order to bypass a congressional voting process. Which meant they weren’t answerable to anyone in Congress. Could you imagine the cries of constitutional violation if Trump did the same thing?

Posted by: Blaine at July 30, 2017 6:45 PM
Comment #418856

Who can explain how the Left thinks Blaine? Certainly not me.

We are facing a serious nuclear threat from North Korea.

Illegal island building by China to use as military bases.

An emboldened and enriched Iran who ignores the sanctions against ICBM missile building.

Russia parading their seriously modernized Navy and making threats against the US.

And the Washington pundits and politicians seem only concerned about harming our Commander-in-Chief and weakening our national resolve.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 30, 2017 6:54 PM
Comment #418857

RF & Blaine,
You are inadvertently proving my point. The DOJ is not a weapon for persecuting political opponents, yet agitating for prosecutions of Obama and Hillary Clinton is one of the ways Trump is undermining the rule of law. The other way is by using it as a shield to protect him. The DOJ does not owe its loyalty to Trump. It does not serve him. It owes its loyalty to the Constitution. That is why there is now a Special Prosecutor looking into Obstruction of Justice, among other things.

Obama is no longer president. The GOP Oversight Committee issued more subpoenas than all other previous committees combined in an attempt to harm him, yet it found nothing then. It is not going to find anything new now. The whole exercise is just an attempt to distract attention from Trump.

As for foreign policy, Trump has done NOTHING. He very quietly signed off on re-upping the Iran deal. Hah! Bet you missed that one! He promised to label China a currency manipulator, but after meeting with the Chinese leader, Trump withdrew the accusation. That is NO ONE’s fault but Trump.

But if it makes anyone feel better, Russia is generations behind the US in military technology. Their Navy and their subs would make good target practice. That’s about it.

Posted by: phx8 at July 30, 2017 7:18 PM
Comment #418859

Could that Chinese Island building venture be any more vulnerable? To think that little island can be protected is folly. There is no civilian population centers that would prevent an attack. A very small nuke or a moab would do the trick. I don’t believe it gives China any long term military advantage. Commercially, perhaps, but it wouldn’t last very long in a shooting war.

Trump, contrary to what the left believes, is capable of adapting to his surroundings. The left is a firm believer of on the job training when it’s a Democratic, but Trump.. No, he can’t possibly learn anything when he is supposed to already know it, right?

What’s the point of what Trump says anyhow? You will only interpret it to be something to beat him over the head with. You’re not interested in what he says, just how you can use it.

A perfect demonstration of that very truth is the way you bring up Donald Trump’s involvement with Obama’s birth certificate. The left’s argument is to ignore the truth, substitute their version of their truth, and then use the often repeated version as a bludgeon against anyone who disagrees with them on any issue going forward.

Donald Trump proposed a solution to a national discussion started by Obama himself, and Hillbilly, during the 2008 primaries. Donald Trump simply offered a solution. “Show us your birth certificate.” That was Trump’s only contribution to that discussion. And, as just like his mention of NATO, his suggestions bore fruit. Obama presented his birth certificate, along with his mother’s story. NATO reorganized with more focus on terrorism.

But the left fails to see through their lies and misinterpretations. They can’t. They need their lies to hide their true intentions.

No one disagrees with that now. People have watched their doctors and their policies become unavailable. They saw shovel ready jobs not get any shovels. They saw themselves being spied upon and their freedom of speech and association come under undue scrutiny. They watched the same people who the left claim are the enforcers of our laws tell them one person didn’t intend to break the law, but if anyone else does… C’mon!

j2t2, you are a man of your word. When you say you won’t read someone’s comments, you mean it!


Posted by: Weary Willie at July 30, 2017 9:19 PM
Comment #418861

ph said, “the DOJ is not a weapon for persecuting political opponents”.

Did ph mean persecuting or prosecuting?

Interesting comment, considering that the Obama/Hillary duo did it for 8 years. DOJ, FBI, NSA, and even the IRS was used to go after anyone who stood in the way of their agenda.

Once again the left loves to accuse republicans of the very things they have done. The democrats colluded with the Russians, but accuse republicans. The democrats used government departments to go after conservatives, but accuse republicans. The democrats cut deals with Iran, and Russia, but accuse republicans.

Then we have ph, who reads the most outlandish hypotheticals on the internet and believes it all. Ph needs to lay off the drugs and get a life. He lives in a mushroom laced fantasy world.

Posted by: Blaine at July 30, 2017 10:57 PM
Comment #418864

“… persecuting or prosecuting? Interesting comment, considering that the Obama/Hillary duo did it for 8 years. DOJ, FBI, NSA, and even the IRS was used to go after anyone who stood in the way of their agenda.”

Name one person.

Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State from 2008-12. She had nothing to do with the DOJ, FBI, NSA, or the IRS.

Obama never asked any of those organizations to investigate Romney. He never called for a Special Prosecutor for Bush, even when other countries would have imprisoned Bush and Cheney for war crimes if they had set foot on their territory.

The GOP Oversight Committee investigated the IRS. They found nothing to prosecute. Trump accused Obama of wiretapping him. Per Trump’s instructions, the DOJ, NSA, CIA, and others investigated. They found nothing whatsoever; in a nutshell, Trump lied.

Maybe you did not read my previous comment. Trump just recertified the Iran deal. You know, the one he said he would tear up? Yeah. That one. He quietly recertified it. He promised he would “rip up” the deal. As usual, Trump lied.

“Trump wanted to follow through on his campaign promise and end the nuclear deal as late as last week, but chose to do otherwise after hearing there was complete consensus on the issue among his most senior security and diplomatic advisers, including Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, National Security Adviser General H.R. McMaster and the senior levels of the U.S. military command.”

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.801878

Unanimous agreement among his advisors.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2017 12:25 AM
Comment #418865
j2t2, you are a man of your word. When you say you won’t read someone’s comments, you mean it!

Weary, “Do not seek the treasure…. I repeat do not seek the treasure

Pete
Oh Brother Where Art Thou
2000

Posted by: j2t2 at July 31, 2017 1:41 AM
Comment #418873

” I don’t believe it gives China any long term military advantage.”

Regardless Weary, our military is very concerned that it will.

“Trump just recertified the Iran deal. You know, the one he said he would tear up?”

phx8 tries to make it sound as if President Trump changed his mind. That is far from the truth and he should be aware of the conditions the president demanded before re certifying for another 90 days.

phx8 likes to remind us that no charges were brought against folks in the Obama administration despite investigations. We believe a special counsel will do a better job of investigations and will result in some former administration officials doing a “perp-walk”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2017 2:18 PM
Comment #418874

“At an hourlong meeting last Wednesday, all of the president’s major security advisers recommended he preserve the Iran deal for now. Among those who spoke out were Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson; Defense Secretary Jim Mattis; Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser; and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff…”
NYT

“phx8 tries to make it sound as if President Trump changed his mind.”

Btw, that was the second time Trump recertified it.

You guys are funny.

He lies to your face. Incredibly, you take his word that next time, by golly, he will not lie. He really really really will do what he said he would do. Next time.

The only times I can think of current administrations pursuing legal cases against previous administrations were with Nixon over Watergate, and Reagan over Iran/Contra. In both examples, both cases were initiated during the Nixon & Reagan administrations. I know of no case where a current administration retroactively prosecuted its political opponents for crimes, especially when the party controlled Congress.

It is, however, common in third world countries.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2017 2:43 PM
Comment #418875

For phx8 and his Iran loving Liberal Pals, a 90 day re certification of the Iran deal is a…a…a…victory for them? OK!

phx8 has now defined what a “lie” is. Trump lied about abolishing the Iran deal because he did another very temporary certification. I won’t even bother giving some really whopping lies by Obama using phx8’s definition.

I will bother to write, the exaggeration required, for my Pal on the Left to call the president a liar.

Weak arguments are almost always the hallmark of the Left.

A new special counsel will be investigating crimes phx8. Crimes should always be investigated regardless of the politics.


Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2017 2:54 PM
Comment #418877

So when the president says he will “rip up” the Iran agreement, but then extends it based on the unanimous advice of his military and State Department…

Oh, wait. It was “very temporary.” Well, if it was not just temporary, but VERY temporary, then obviously Trump was telling the truth when he extended it rather than ripping it up. Or not.

Posted by: phx8 at July 31, 2017 3:31 PM
Comment #418878

Is phx8 really that belligerent? Can he not understand the difference between words said in a campaign such as “rip it up” and a 90 certification?

My bet is on belligerence.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 31, 2017 3:51 PM
Comment #418881

It doesn’t matter what Trump does or says…HE IS WRONG in the eyes of the left. You know what…I don’t care…Trumps in the WH, the Republicans control the House and Senate, Trump is turning the SCOTUS back to the Constitution, the democraps are continuing to lose state and local political seats, the socialist Obama and his cronies are gone, and Trump is accomplishing what he said he would do. So, life is good. The left is PO and we are happy. Make America Great Again.

A latest poll out shows 60 something percent of Americans think the Democratic Party relies too much on solving America’s problems. Doesn’t sound good for the Democrats.

Posted by: Blaine at July 31, 2017 5:28 PM
Comment #418896
It doesn’t matter what Trump does or says…HE IS WRONG in the eyes of the left

I’ve said this before, but I still believe that Donald Trump has what it takes to be a truly astounding President. All he needs to do is rid himself of the influence of the corrupt Republicans surrounding him. Getting rid of Priebus was a good start, but there is still a long ways to go. It probably won’t happen until after next year’s election, but when it happens, America will be made great again.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 31, 2017 8:27 PM
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