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Dems Are Going Down - Bigggly

Was watching the press conference held by the Mayor of some town in Minn. This is the fourth day following the murder of a woman citizen by a city police officer. The Mayor trotted out the old tried and true speech about how great the police force was and what great things the Mayor had done to ensure a top notch police force, and so on - - -

She took the resignation of the police chief and appointed a new chief and presented that to the town folks in the meeting. But, the town folks turned on her, shouted her down, took over the mike's and shut the meeting down. They took to the bull horns letting her know they was tired of her admin and the police actions for the last 20 years or so. They wanted her and her admin gone and now.

I believe I'm correct in saying that there were more people in killed in the US last year than in Syria.

I'm assuming she was a dem as FOX carried it live and CNN didn't cover live. Either way, it was a great people's movement and wish we had more of that. Turning the criminal element loose on the citizenry is a great way to take their mind of politics, important issues, and so on - - -

Make the people afraid and they will look to you to save them, etc. They shut her down and took over the meeting. You gotta luv it. Just like what's going on in several major cities, Chicago and Sacramento come to mind. I'm hopeful that the Trump DOJ will move to clean up some of this crap. I believe Sessions will 'git er dun'.

Even better watching the corpocratist-dems working to obstruct the Trump admin. The Communist News Network (fake news) is at it again tonight what with 'Sessions talked with the Russian Amb. About the campaign' way back when and this from Intercepts of Russian commo. Unbelieveable, but it's in the fake news tonight.

Trump should give Sessions one week to find the leaker. And, that should be followed up with some severe jail time for that person. Never have I seen such a disregard for law. People in high places using classified info as a political toy needs to be stopped and quick. OJ does 9 years for a botched burglar and Clinton takes some 30-50k emails, many classified, outside the security perimeter, even admits to destroying 30k of them. No words for this.

But, it is highly entertaining to watch the dems-corpocracy flog the air waves 24/7 with fake news, impeachment ploys and the like. Disheartening to see much of the GOP never Trumper's working against him.

Glad to see Spicer leave and Scaramucci ? some in. I hope he will show the finger to the press about every 30 seconds during a press conference. Spicer just didn't have the 'take it to them' mentality to be Trumps mouthpiece, IMO. Trumps supporters, like me, wants red meat with every meal, and so on - -

I would like to see Trump run as an Independent in the next election. He could split the dems-gop'ers and win easily. I hope he will do that. We really need a new 3rd party if we are to pull this country out of the mouth of the corpocracy.

Posted by Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 10:23 AM
Comments
Comment #418480

Has it occurred to you the Trump administration might be the leaker in the story about AG Sessions and the Russians? It is one story from an unsourced “official.” It comes shortly after Trump gives an interview torching Sessions for his recusal.

If Trump can force Sessions out of office, he can replace him with an AG who will NOT be recused from the Russian investigation. Unlike Sessions, that new AG can fire Special Counsel Mueller. Of course, Congress would make a vote on an AG nominee almost impossible, but Trump could put an AG in place without a vote by waiting until Congress is not in session, and then making a recess appointment. The new AG could simply declare Mueller had conflicts of interests, or had exceeded his authority by letting the investigation go too far afield, or maybe not even bother with a justification.

Congress could respond by installing Mueller as a Special Prosecutor, but that would require Democrats and Republicans to cooperate. How likely is that? Mueller is closing in, and closing in fast. Trump is reportedly already looking into the ins and outs of pardons, but a better bet in the short run is too blow up the Special Counsel’s investigation, and then see if the GOP and Democrats can cooperate enough to install a Special Prosecutor. Pardons at a later date would still be an option.

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2017 11:01 PM
Comment #418481
Has it occurred to you the Trump administration might be the leaker in the story about AG Sessions and the Russians? Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2017 11:01 PM
That was also the first thing that occurred to me. They’re doing this to force Sessions out.

The POS has been in office six months, and there is still no Secretary of the Army. They’re on their third attempt, a lobbyist from Raytheon. You know, the corpocracy we deserve and all

Glad to see that Roy Ellis is still around. The case in Minnesota will be interesting. A white woman was killed by a black officer. A white officer was just acquitted for killing a black man there. We all saw that, unfortunately.

I don’t understand whatever your point was about Chicago. It’s a very large city, and almost all of it is very nice.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 21, 2017 11:19 PM
Comment #418484

Ph, I’m a political law neophyte so I would think Sessions would just un-re-cuse himself and get rid of Muller if it came to that.

If Trump wanted Sessions to go all he has to do is ask him to go. Dun deal. Maybe there is another motive for Trump to leak.

One thing fer shure. If Mueller slow rolls this thing and comes up with some dirt, unrelated to the Russian thing, and does not do a Hillary investigation and so on - - - then Trump will and should get rid of Mueller. I’m for letting Mueller have a run at the Russian thing. There is no there there so it’s not a problem so long as he sticks to the issue - Russian collusion.

Now, there are some Russian problems with the Clinton’s and if Mueller has the balls to ignore or wrist slap the Clinton’s and go after Trump for some financial gizmo he must be fired, removed or locked up himself. I do assume he could be disbarred for malfesance or how ever the hell you spell it.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 21, 2017 11:33 PM
Comment #418485

http://www.aei.org/publication/trump-right-chicago-more-dangerous-than-afghanistan-yes-and-no/

Yeah, Afghan rather than Syria. But, you get my drift. And, if u are 1 of the murdered it ‘ain’t a very nice city’, etc. Sessions is going after the gangs and drugs so that should help the large cities biggly.

oraog and ph, are u saying that Sessions wouldn’t resign if asked?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 21, 2017 11:48 PM
Comment #418486

RE, the ranking members of the justice department all appeared together yesterday in solidarity with Sessions.

Most of the murders that occur in Chicago are in very specific neighborhoods that most people avoid like the plague. There was 1 murder this year in the neighborhood where I grew up. A US citizen was murdered by an ICE agent. Thanks to you know who for his BS rhetoric.

Literally no one is investigating Hillary Clinton, or is likely to do so ever. You must not have understood YOUR guy when he said that was all just campaigning. Her main antagonist Jason Chaffetz is literally running away from Washington.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 21, 2017 11:57 PM
Comment #418493

Considering the fact that nothing the Trump administration can do will ever appease the left, and considering the goal of the left is to block Trump, and considering the left’s goal is try drive Trump out of office because they have no evidence to impeach and remove him; I would suggest Sessions un-recuse himself, fire Mueller and go after the Clintons. I would also find out where the leaks are coming from and put some people in prison.

ph’s claims of the leaks coming from the Trump administration has about as much evidence as the Trump/Russian collusion. Stop and use a little logic for once; if Trump was the leak to the press, how long would it take the anti-Trump media to let that cat out of the bag?

Posted by: Blaine at July 22, 2017 8:07 AM
Comment #418494

Blaine, if anything having negative implication happens in the world it will be Trumps fault.

Watching Hannity-Spicer last evening let’s one clearly understand why Spicer wasn’t the man for the job.

This Scarmucchi fellow was a dem and, who like so many folks, saw the light. Expect the entertainment level to go way high. I’m really looking forward to it. Jerk them $$ from the sanctuaries Trump, get going buddy. Put them mayors on food stamps. I love it.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 9:19 AM
Comment #418495

Roy,

With all this “fake” news, it is hard for Trump to get his policy proposals any airtime. Russia, Russia, Russia. That is all we hear. It would be refreshing if the media would give Trump some time for his real solutions.

For example, healthcare is floundering in Congress under Republican leadership. Why isn’t Congress considering Trump’s plan. You know, the one he said that the American public would love and would be cheaper and better than Obamacare. I don’t even know what his plan is, thanks to the “fake” media’s obsession with Russia. Anybody know any details on Trump’s healthcare plan?

Posted by: Rich at July 22, 2017 9:27 AM
Comment #418496
Watching Hannity-Spicer last evening Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 9:19 AM

RE, you need to go on a different media diet. You do understand that Hannity is a performer, right? Spicer is gone because he was played by a woman on SNL, who would have been better at his job than he was. The POS watched every episode of that. You might consider a different news source, Cracked would be more accurate than the entertainment news programs you watch:

The Entire President Donald Trump/Russia Story (So Far) - SOME NEWS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCQMWwOZUw

Spicer’s greatest hits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1LG-J1pPk

Rich, the POS has a great health insurance plan. It only costs $12 a year.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 9:47 AM
Comment #418497

Nothing is happening because Washington D.C. is still scared to death the MSM will take them out. It’s easy for them to do. Even if the rest of the country ignores the MSM those in D.C. hang on every word. No one in D.C. has the balls to go against the establishment MSM if they have to look them in the eye. They’re afraid the MSM will tar and feather them for going astray.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 22, 2017 10:39 AM
Comment #418500

It has a name WW. Corpocracy. Biz, institutions,media and pols are going to have it their way - to hell with the citizenry.

It’s them against Trump and his substantial supporters. Trump is going to whip their ass, they know it and are fighting for their wealthy being.

Trump is a great independent populist president. I am hopeful this will encourage some non dem/goper’s to run for office. This could be the start of a strong third party movement.

Watched the commissioning ceremony for the USS Gerald Ford. Again, Trump did a great job, made the folks proud. FOX carried the ceremony live while the Communist News Network railed on about ‘the Russians are coming’, etc.

Two more Ford class carriers coming. Way to go Trump. Build that wall, and so on - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 12:01 PM
Comment #418504

Every presidential candidate (both sides) runs for the office by the leave of the media. The media makes and breaks politicians. That is why they are so scared. Trump on the other hand, had no help from the media…they didn’t make him and they sure can’t break him. Lord knows, they have tried. He’s scared the crap out of me a few times on twitter, but he certainly has played the leftist media. He sets the agenda.

Posted by: Blaine at July 22, 2017 1:54 PM
Comment #418505

Regulation (28 CFR Sec. 600.1), reads; a special counsel may only be appointed when the AG or DAG “determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.” The investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential campaign is not a criminal investigation.

No crime has been committed and thus, no special counsel is needed. Former FBI director Comey has testified that their investigation was a counterintelligence investigation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2017 2:07 PM
Comment #418509

Blaine, you couldn’t find many Trump hater’s (corpocracy) who would agree that no crime has been committed.

They are expecting Mueller to bring charges against every member of the Trump admin/family for some crime.

Mueller will have to look at the oldest Russia related incidents first. Hillary and uranium-1. Hillary and her emails. Then get around to Trump et al. If he just looks at Trump then he will/should be removed post haste.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 3:45 PM
Comment #418511

Along the lines of the Sessions leak coming from Trump…

Has anyone noticed that no one is coming to the defense of Sessions? Trump sent tweets condemning the leak. But no one said ‘Session would never do such a thing!’ It is part of a pattern typical of Trump- whenever there is something terrible, he accuses others of doing what he actually did. So Trump attacks the leak, yet says nothing about Sessions’ innocence.

Furthermore, this intelligence intercept has been out there for a about a year. The NSA knew, yet no one leaked it when Sessions lied under oath, both aloud and in writing. Now, all of the sudden, within days of Trump’s attacks on his own AG, this leak appears?

Trump wants Sessions gone so he can make an AG recess appointment, without a vote in Congress. That lets him put in an AG who can kill the Mueller investigation, and no one can stop him. It would be preferable for Trump if Sessions resigned. If Sessions refuses to go away, and Trump is forced to fire him, Trump will face more accusations of Obstruction of Justice.

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2017 4:45 PM
Comment #418513

“Trump will face more accusations of Obstruction of Justice.”

Of course. Along with more accusations of collusion.

I accuse my Pals on the Left all the time. They don’t agree.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2017 5:00 PM
Comment #418516
They are expecting Mueller to bring charges against every member of the Trump admin/family for some crime.Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 3:45 PM

Um, RE, his family members are also expecting that. They know what they’ve done, and that they can’t continue to do it now. There’s a reason that real billionaires don’t run for public office. A fake billionaire, in debt to everyone, with thousands of shady dealings in the past, a vast number of lawsuits, and very few friends, (except for imaginary Jim), who has made a vast number of enemies, was just asking for this sort of trouble. His family didn’t want this.

You’re confusing yourself with your old corpocracy rhetoric added to the newer conspiracy theories that you’ve discovered. Do you need a list of the corporations that are part of this administration? Are you unaware of the 14 or more ethics waivers?

Your favorite news channel is owned by someone who actually hates your guy, but came to a deal with him, because he knows that he’s stuck now that no one else will watch his channel other than the far right wing. BTW, it’s a corporation, NewsCorp, just as your guy is a corporation, so why not just drop the corpocracy thing. After all, we have The Vast Right Wing Corpocracy that we deserve.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 5:52 PM
Comment #418517
Trump wants Sessions gone so he can make an AG recess appointment, without a vote in Congress. That lets him put in an AG who can kill the Mueller investigation, and no one can stop him. It would be preferable for Trump if Sessions resigned. If Sessions refuses to go away, and Trump is forced to fire him, Trump will face more accusations of Obstruction of Justice. Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2017 4:45 PM

I would say more charges of Obstruction of Justice. The POS is going to get tired of this soon. He’s OLD. He’s starting to drool. He’s becoming as incoherent as his followers. If he was actually “presidenting”, instead of watching tv and tweeting, he’d be dead already. Possibly, he’ll give a blanket pardon to all his family members, and himself, if it stands, and then resign. Non-family members will be left to twist in the wind. The family members could still be charged with whatever the pardons didn’t cover.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 6:13 PM
Comment #418520

orag, you must have seen the President deliver the ship commissioning speech at Norfolk today. Standing in the heat on one of the carrier’s elevator, he gave a strong oration that would stress a much younger man. He was animated, bellicose, and super engaged with the audience. It was an impressive performance. If you didn’t catch it you missed a real history making moment.

The corpocracy busted their asses to get health insurance cost up, way up, and they don’t intend to let Donald J Trump bring prices substantially down. They are beholden to the pharma, corp, insurance, hospital biz and so on - - -

What can one say about a bunch of senators that demanded ‘repeal and replace’ for some 7 years and now that they are in the catbird seat they are fighting Trump tooth and nail over any movement on healthcare?

We need a new 3rd party w/a/dif/pol/att …

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 7:27 PM
Comment #418521

Roy, I watched the ship commissioning speech and the President looks and sounds great.

Wow…what a great ship to join our arsenal of freedom.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2017 7:41 PM
Comment #418523

RE, I wouldn’t watch anything like that. Maybe I’ll watch Susan Ford christening the ship 3 years ago. Did you give Northrop Grumman a corpocracy exemption? Here is a post of mine about them from 8 years ago:

Comment #273062

I think the Military Industrial Complex won out over the civilian here a long time ago. I would point again to what happened when an earlier POTUS proposed missile defense. There were a number of small companies doing various research on the uses of lasers, started by former employees of Martin Marietta, going in different directions. They were bought by Litton Industries , which was later bought by Northrop Grumman . We would be better off with the smaller companies competing with eachother, rather than one large corporation.
Posted by: ohrealy at January 2, 2009 5:48 PM

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 7:57 PM
Comment #418524

Got news for you-
There are two types of ships: submarines, and targets.

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2017 7:59 PM
Comment #418525
There are two types of ships: submarines, and targets. Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2017 7:59 PM

And the submarines aren’t even safe with this loose lipped leaker in the WH.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 8:08 PM
Comment #418527

And another post from later that same year:


Comment #288300

“Consider: The preparations most important to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks took place not in training camps in Afghanistan but, rather, in apartments in Germany, hotel rooms in Spain and flight schools in the United States. “

Why insert reality into a political discussion? We need a place to waste jet fuel and drop bombs and someone is always raining on our parade. The unlucky afghans are in the remotest place we can find until we can start bombing Outer Mongolia. Those Outer Mongolians are the real threat! How come no sympathy for the poor military industial complex? Do you want Mr Northrop and Mr Grumman hanging around in your neighborhood with a sign that says “will work for food’”?

There are only two solutions that I can see for this continuing problem. One is to abolish the presidency and change to a parliamentary system, and the other is to reduce the armed forces to levels so low that no president and complicit congress will ever be able to go crusading again.
Posted by: ohrealy at September 18, 2009 2:56 PM

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 8:24 PM
Comment #418529

Wrong again, IMO, orag. Russia did want Afghan at one time. Ben Ladin, Taliban, ISIS and some others have wanted to set up shop there. Maybe not Ben, can’t remember.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2017 10:07 PM
Comment #418531

Search engines are fun. There used to be so many good writers here. I got this one right years before we killed “Ben”:

Comment #264721

Are the people who support BHO really interested in ramping up in Afghanistan after ramping down in Iraq? OBL is most likely in Pakistan, or possibly even Kashmir.

BHO had the advantage of having more natural looking makeup, but the double screen shots were bad for him. JMcC just looks really old. Reagan looked young by comparison with a depressed Carter.
Posted by: ohrealy at September 27, 2008 12:29 AM

RE, your memory is failing you, I’m very sorry to say.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 22, 2017 10:45 PM
Comment #418536

OBL may have hung out in Afghan and the mtns for a while.

But, the ISIS types have managed to gain some foothold in a number of ME countries. I don’t see how we can pull out and give them free rein.

Also, have never been able to understand why these ME countries can’t handle small insurgent forces on their own.

It is a real conundrum but seems keeping a presence in these countries is the better way to go at this time.

I like my posit on NK. That is, put a fleet in the Pacific and every time NK puts up a missile that makes it to intl air space shoot it down. Would make NK look bad and provide real time, real good practice for air defense forces.

We, and the EU, should support a low grade insurgency in Ukraine that kills off 4-6k Soviet troops a year, IED’s and similar.

Seems like a cost effective way to deal with NK and keep the neighbors from being too unhappy.

Reducing our military posture is a non-starter for me.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 1:06 PM
Comment #418537

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Professor at William and Mary, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, today described the USS Gerald Ford, “fora battleship, like those in Pearl Harbor, to be sunk, with all five thousand hands on board, and all the aircraft wing and everything else on board to be lost in one fatal swoop, and what that will mean to the American people, this is a battle system, a naval battle system., like those in 1941, this is a battleship looking for a place to sink.” On the speech, The POS is ”grossly inexperienced. He’s an amateur. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. He doesn’t know law. He doesn’t know custom. He doesn’t know protocol. You don’t tell your troops as commander in chief to do something political.”

another blast from the past:
Comment #287324
Voltaire 1769:
So long as the whim of a few men causes thousands of our brothers to be honourably butchered, the portion of mankind devoted to heroism will be the most frightful thing in the whole of nature. What becomes of and what do I care about humanity, benevolence, modesty, temperance, tenderness, wisdom, piety, when half a pound of lead shot from 600 paces shatters my body, and I die at the age of twenty in agony beyond words, in the midst of five or six thousand dying men, while my eyes, opening for the last time, see the town in which I was born destroyed by sword and fire, and the last sounds I hear are the cries of women and children expiring under the ruins, all for the alleged benefit of a man I do not know?
Posted by: ohrealy at September 2, 2009 11:54 AM

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 23, 2017 1:18 PM
Comment #418538

Boltaire sounds like he was on the losing side. This is not good. One wants to be on the winning side. Better yet, have a protective shield that is so strong and efficient that you can’t be attacked. That’s Trump’s plan

Orag, can’t you see that China and Russia intend to increase their size/power/wealth by incremental taking of their neighbors property? If there is no strong deterrent in the world who will stop them? Ukraine, then Poland, then Latvia, Lithuania and so on - - -

Small countries can’t defend themselves from the China or Russia. There needs to be a cop on the beat to keep world order, etc.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 1:45 PM
Comment #418539

orag, this Colonel Wilkerson must be a democrat. He sure doesn’t understand modern day military. In a hot conflict if anything gets within 50 miles of a carrier it’s going down = biggly…

I suggest this ‘Colonel’ would rather rely on the Army/Airforce for protection. Could be William and Mary are democrats too …

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 2:04 PM
Comment #418540
Ukraine, then Poland, then Latvia, Lithuania and so on - - -Small countries can’t defend themselves from the China or Russia. There needs to be a cop on the beat to keep world order, etc. Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 1:45 PM

Seriously? This is where you’re verging into incoherence. Why would you think that your guy is in favor of any of that? He specifically wants to help Russia in opposition to his own party in Congress. Besides what already happened with Ukraine policy, he is withdrawing from the opposition to Assad in Syria, likely under instructions from Putin. He is indebted to China, and wants their help with North Korea, when he’s not telling everyone where are submarines are and our fleet isn’t.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 23, 2017 2:05 PM
Comment #418541

I’m sorry but your next post #418539 makes me think it wasn’t written by the same Roy Ellis that used to write and post here.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 23, 2017 2:12 PM
Comment #418542

orag, I listen/watch Trump pretty close and I don’t see him lifting any Russian sanctions. Now, he may put that out to the press but, he hasn’t lifted any Russian sanctions.

Likewise, he hasn’t withdrawn anything from Syria. Why don’t folks give him a chance to operate. Give him a year or two and then levy judgement on him. Seems folks want to micro manage Trump before he himself knows what he is going to do.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 4:20 PM
Comment #418543

Roy Ellis, the Democratics can’t let Trump have anything positive happen. They believe they are the only people who can lead this country. They can’t have a (gasp) Republican doing things that people are in favor of. Democratics are the only savior this country deserves and Trump or Republicans are simply the opposition that should be kept in it’s place.

Don’t worry, though. I’m at work and every time the news comes on the radio I hear, “Russia” over and over and over again. Nobody cares. If you want to see a disconnect between the establishment and the people, watch them not listen to the national newscasts every half hour.

The only thing standing in the way of the destruction of the establishment MSM right now is the people’s apathy. They really don’t care about what they’re forced to listen to every half hour, day after day, for months now. All it’s really accomplishing is keeping the most rabid liberals on a hot plate.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2017 5:10 PM
Comment #418544

I can agree with you, WW. But, as I’ve blogged a bunch, it’s corpocracy driven. The corpocracy will pay the dems to get in the street, break a few things, get on tv.

This includes the GOP corpocracy folks as well. GOP’er’s railed for ‘repeal and replace’ for 7 years and now they are trying to hold on to the high cost of Obamacare.

Now the Senate is trying to legislate some way of preventing Trump from reducing sanctions on Russia, should he choose to take that path.

I heard this AM that the way Senate rules operate it would take 11 years for Trump’s pol appointees to be approved thru the Senate. So, Trump will have to suffer the leakers and ‘never Trumper’s’ in his admin for the duration of his 3 years in office. But, hey, Trumpe will ‘git er dun’, IMO.

He is the closest thing we’ve had to a 3rd party President in the history of the republic. Corpocracy can’t control him but try, they will.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 5:47 PM
Comment #418545

make that 3 an 8.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 5:51 PM
Comment #418546

Target took a big hit. Kellogg took a big hit. People are standing outside CNN in Atlanta right this very minute.

It’s a big country. The only way Democratics got any change in society was by force (obamacare and gay marriage). They wanted immediate satisfaction. Our bad, for letting them do it.

Opposition to government and the MSM in general has been happening for many years now. We know it, but the people blinded by the MSM montra don’t. They think it’s hitting them on the head like an anvil in a RoadRunner cartoon.

The protests outside CNN are encouraging. I’m glad to see it happening. For a lack of reports of violence, I can only say it must be a peaceful protest.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2017 7:04 PM
Comment #418548
They wanted immediate satisfaction. Our bad, for letting them do it.

Warren Porter, that’s how you blame yourself for letting someone else destroy America.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2017 7:53 PM
Comment #418550

Now that Trump has rolled back the Johnson Amd’t maybe some church groups will be encouraged to get in the streets.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 8:10 PM
Comment #418554

A waste of time to start a new thread to debate HC so I’ll just throw a few words out there to vent a bit.

Obamacare was clugged together tween K street, the House, and Senate. At that time I seriously doubt that any elected official had much knowledge of HC issues. I recall the famous senator quote ‘we have to pass the HC bill so we can know what’s in it’. HC legislation was passed but the plan was still being wrote at the end of the Obama admin.

Today, the HC plan is being clugged together tween K street, the House, and Senate. Few elected officials have no knowledge of what is in the plan or much knowledge on HC issues.

It’s basically a plan put in place by the corpocracy. Seems the GOP just wants to pass something to get a HC law and add/modify it over the coming years.

HC is so complex that I can understand some of the process to get something useful into law. At the same time, it seems like a good HC plan would require a good year of solid study, discussion, collaboration and so on, before finding it’s way into law.

I guess it’s just too big and complex for the House and Senate to deal with. So much easier to let K street handle it. Same deal we will get with tax reform. Frustrating, sad.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 23, 2017 10:55 PM
Comment #418555

The GOP plans for health care are really pretty straight forward. The idea is to strip Medicaid of as much money as possible, and give it to big corporations and the richest of the rich in the form of tax breaks. That’s all there is to it. Very simple.

That is why nothing else is being passed. They are waiting to rip that Medicare money away from the poor and middle class, and give it to the rich and big corportions. No need to overthink this. The GOP is quite open about their intentions. ‘Tax reform’ will actually be tax cuts too. But first, the GOP needs that Medicare money, otherwise the deficit and debt will skyrocket. Not that that ever stopped them from racking it up in the past! Infrastructure? Same. It will consist of a lot of tax breaks for utilities and fossil fuel corporations.

The establishment GOP agenda is horrendously unpopular with the majority of Americans, but the GOP receives so much money from the likes of the Koch Brothers & hedge fund managers that they will make the trade-off. Thanks to Citizens United, there will be an almost inexhaustible fund of dark money to keep the Republicans in office… If they can just cobble enough votes together, and suppress votes from the wrong people.

Posted by: phx8 at July 23, 2017 11:22 PM
Comment #418556

Tell us another one, Uncle phx8! Is it true we’ll all die a horrendous death?!

Those Koch Brothers. They keep popping up every time the left has something to bitch about.

Didn’t the Koch Brothers say they wouldn’t support Trump?

What about that, phx8?

They were absent until you brought them up.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 24, 2017 1:18 AM
Comment #418569

ph, it’s the same corpocracy pushing bills into law regardless of which party is in power.

ph, to support Obamacare at this point is really over the cliff. Premiums are astronomical and I believe they were still writing rules for O’care at the end of he Obama presidency.

Here is the rub, IMO. A billionaire and a poor person has the same medical condition. A condition requiring a million dollars a year to treat. Injections, you know. Should both individuals be treated the same?

Maybe better said; is it the gov’ts responsibility to ensure that the world’s best medical attention/treatment be provided to every person in the US (citizen or non-citizen).

Is complete medical coverage a right under the Constitution or a privilege? To what degree do we invoke ‘social justice’ in this country?

The UK is carrying out ‘social justice’ for the comatose baby as we speak.

I believe there will always be bigtime division over HC. Which is why, orag, when I was pushing for ‘a new 3rd party’ I never mentioned social issues. You can get some agreement on defense, foreign affairs and similar. But, any social issue is a divider: NRA, HC, taxes, education, gay et al, opoids, alcohol, and so on - - -

Even with a majority; the GOP having all three branches, they still can’t get much done because of division. Example given earlier; with the minority rights rule in the Senate it will take some 11 years for Trump to get his pol app’tes confirmed. Not because of anything in the Constitution. Just man shooting himself in the foot every day or so.

And, God forbid that a person take a position on something and later change their position. What would the Greek philo’s think of us? I can’t imagine.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 24, 2017 10:39 AM
Comment #418573

” But first, the GOP Democrats need(s) that ($800 billion in )Medicare money (to fund Obamacare), otherwise the deficit and debt will skyrocket.”

Sound familiar phx?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2017 5:02 PM
Comment #418575

Yeah Royal, it’s just like that. I think the repubs would really like to invoke gov’t controlled/mandated insurance. They just need to slide it past the noses of the people.

Strong feeling here that HC plans may not go up but they sure won’t be any cheaper than O’care. Score one more for the corpocracy.

And, it looks like the dems may have reached a point where they can no longer pursue the Russians. Today, Schumer and other dems talking about ‘what the dems stand for’. They are talking about creating 10M jobs, helping to modify Obamacare, actually addressing the issues.

Think of all the money that has been spent pursuing the Russian thing. Has to be several times what the dems spent on the election. All that bread - - - and they are still at 0.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 24, 2017 5:59 PM
Comment #418577

RE, please provide your definition of corpocracy, and a list of corporations that you do not include in this. Your comments are getting more and more incoherent.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 24, 2017 6:05 PM
Comment #418579

“Today, Schumer and other dems talking about ‘what the dems stand for’.”

They have no choice Roy. I read that the Democrat Party is deep in red ink and their fund raising efforts are failing. Meanwhile, President Trump and the Republican Party are filling their campaign coffers handily.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2017 6:28 PM
Comment #418583

From The Hill, it looks like Rex Tillerson wants out now. With Scaramucci on board, this looks like a Goldman Sachs administration.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 24, 2017 7:42 PM
Comment #418584

It has been announced that tomorrow, Chuckie Schumer will speak for the Democrats and tell America what the Party stands for.

He gave some clues.

The Democrat Party will GIVE more stuff to people from the government coffers. They will GIVE us higher wages. They will GIVE us extended family leave. They will GIVE…AND GIVE…AND GIVE.

Simple response. The Democrat Party can’t GIVE anyone anything. They stand for taking money from those who pay taxes, or borrowing from China, to pay for more government spending. The Democrat Party is broke. They want America broke too. Then, we can have one-world government ruled by tyrants; with bureaucrats carrying out their orders. We will all be equal, equally poor and equally miserable.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2017 7:54 PM
Comment #418586

We’re not borrowing from China as much as we are borrowing from the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 24, 2017 11:46 PM
Comment #418600

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/16/take-the-money-emails-show-how-clinton-campaign-manages-foreign-donations/

orag, I responded to your query a couple of times but can’t get it thru WB.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2017 8:40 AM
Comment #418602

I don’t understand why Sessions and Trump can’t get along. Sessions has been AG for long enough to have started an investigation on Hillary. Why has he not done that? I understand that it’s best for the new admin not to attack the old admin on post-election win. But, settling political disputes is far different than dealing with a crime. What she did was unlawful and she shouldn’t get a pass just because she is a politician.

Before the Pres app’ts the next AG there should be some tacit understanding that crimes should be punished, new or old.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2017 12:30 PM
Comment #418604

It has nothing to do with Sessions.

Trump needs to stop Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. Sessions can not do that because he recused himself. Sessions can not fire Mueller. Therefore, Trump needs Sessions gone. It would be preferable if Sessions quit, but he shows no signs of doing so. Trump will fire him soon.

Once Sessions is gone, Trump can make a recess appointment of a new AG. That way, the appointment does not require a Senate vote, and it would last through 2019. The new AG will have one job- stop Mueller. Fire him. Kill the investigation.

Congress would probably turn around and appoint Mueller as a Special Prosecutor. Trump is gambling Republicans will not do it. Even if they do, the investigation will be slowed. Congress could impeach Trump for Obstruction of Justice, but once again, Trump is gambling the Republicans will not go through with it.

This is an attack on the rule of law by a dictator in the making. Trump has fired an Acting AG who exposed Flynn, the Director of the FBI, and all the District Attorneys, including one investigating a Russian money laundering scheme with ties to Trump. He has attacked Sessions, the Deputy FBI Director, Mueller, and others.

So we will see what the American people are made of.

Posted by: phx8 at July 25, 2017 1:44 PM
Comment #418605

This American people wants Trump to put somebody in there who will investigate Hillary and her emails.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2017 2:28 PM
Comment #418606

RE, why are you posting links to The Daily Caller/Tucker Carlson? You seem unaware of the character of this person.

Sessions has been AG for long enough to have started an investigation on Hillary. Why has he not done that?
Because there is no reason to do that. Sessions evidently went to law school, and understands that hollering SQUIRELL! to divert attention is not a strategy that works in the legal system. Posted by: oraoghilie at July 25, 2017 2:31 PM
Comment #418608

Bring up the subject of voter or registration fraud and Liberals eyes glaze over while they mutter…”No Proof”.

OK, that’s fair. Will you believe your own eyes and ears?

https://www.projectveritasaction.com/2017/02/13/veritas-voter-fraud-compilation-voterfraudisreal/

I expect my Liberal Pals to provide proof when talking about Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 25, 2017 4:39 PM
Comment #418610

I think Trump is playing to his base in taking swipes at Sessions. I like what Sessions is doing on the law enforcement side. Could be Sessions is waiting on Mueller to close shop before he takes on Hillary. Probably best to let the Mueller thing run its course and give Sessions a chance to right some wrongs.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 25, 2017 5:50 PM
Comment #418611

According to the State Department, Rex Tillerson is taking a break from his duties due to the POS’s treatment of Sessions.

The appointment of Scaramucci as Communications Director is upsetting many others in the WH. He is acting like he was appointed Chief of Staff. Maybe he will be if Preibus resigns. Bannon must not be happy either. His “people” didn’t want Scaramucci appointed before.

Tucker Carlson is of course a dog-whistler for the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and the Alt-Right. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the KKK, or any other neo-Nazi organization, Mr. Roy Ellis.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 25, 2017 7:10 PM
Comment #418612

The Mueller thing will never run its course. The goal is not to investigate Trump/Russia, the goal is to find something…anything on Trump. In 3 1/2 years Mueller and his Clinton lawyers will still be searching for someone to charge. Truocan fire Sessions and he can fire Mueller, and he should. The democrats wanted Obama to appoint positions during the congressional recess, but now that Trump is president, it becomes a constitutional crisis. Like most Americans, I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy of the left. I believe the left is going to have some sleepless nights. We are only 6/7 months into Trump’s presidency and the left are spazzing out.

Posted by: Blaine at July 25, 2017 7:22 PM
Comment #418613

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

RF is now posting hoaxes by James O’Keefe!!!!!!

Looks like you are about to hit bottom, RF. Unless you want to follow Infowars. Hey, according to Alex Jones, I hear the Sandy Hook massacre was posed by actors, and the parents were pretending to grieve. It may be possible to go even lower than an O’Keefe video, but not much. Wow!!!!!

What next? The moon landing was faked?

Posted by: phx8 at July 25, 2017 7:30 PM
Comment #418614

LOLOLO…phx8 laughs while his party burns. He is too embarrassed by the voter fraud shown to even frame a legitimate response.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 25, 2017 7:32 PM
Comment #418615

It is disgusting to follow the outrageous manner in which my Pals on the Left operate. They are true to their beliefs. Lying is good if it benefits them.

phx8 will post a quote from some media rag and rant about how it exposes the Trump administration to collusion and obstruction. Then, when actually reading the entire article from which he lift’s his little “jewel quote”; one finds it is all conjecture from anonymous sources.

Has he ever provided a video showing President Trump, or one of his campaign people, that proves a crime. Hell no.

Videos showing actual voting fraud are dismissed in favor of slandering the provider. Saul Alinsky lives in their crippled minds.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 25, 2017 7:47 PM
Comment #418616
because recipients of pardons would no longer face potential legal jeopardy, they would not be able to invoke a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination to avoid testifying about the matter before the House and Senate Intelligence committees, which are separately conducting oversight investigations. Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, has invoked that right.

from us/politics/trump-pardon-himself-presidential-clemency

Civil liability cannot be excused — a harm against another can still be considered a harm even if there is no longer any criminal liability. Contempts of court cannot be pardoned, as they are offenses against the dignity of the court, and not necessarily offenses against the law

from: https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_pard.html

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 25, 2017 8:05 PM
Comment #418617

newrepublic.com/article

How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.
in NY, the POS sold real estate to Tamir Sapir Tevfik Arif Felix Sater David Bogatin Semion Mogilevich Eduard Nektalov, murdered on 6th ave.
“the world’s largest sports book,” was run out of condos in Trump Tower—including the entire fifty-first floor of the building.
65 units in Trump World Tower sold to Russians.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: oraoghilie at July 25, 2017 8:34 PM
Comment #418630

” I hear the Sandy Hook massacre was posed by actors”

As of right now, there is more proof of a Sandy Hook cover-up than there is of this ridiculous Russian conspiracy.

“It may be possible to go even lower than an O’Keefe video, but not much.”

Oh, it’s definitely possible to go much much lower than some private citizen posting videos which cast your pet issues in a bad light, the likes of M. Waters, Maddow, Joe Scar, Vox, Kos, TP and the MSM prove that every day.

“What next? The moon landing was faked?”

No, I think the conspiracy theorists are going to stick with this whole ‘Trump is a Russian mole and the Russians magically fixed the election’ BS.
Of course, it seems that now we are getting theories of Trump leading international crime syndicates and murdering people, so who knows.
It would all be funny if it weren’t so pathetic and damaging to our country.

Posted by: kctim at July 26, 2017 8:46 AM
Comment #418632
Videos showing actual voting fraud are dismissed in favor of slandering the provider. Saul Alinsky lives in their crippled minds.

Good God Royal yet a new low for you. Posting fake news from a convicted felon and then trying to blame those who are better informed than yourself.

This guy has defrauded you Royal, you are once again the one legged man in the a** kicking contest. You comments are ignorant lies. You gotta work on this. Royal you have given up your integrity defended the like of O’Keefe, Trump and conservative propagandist.


http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

Posted by: j2t2 at July 26, 2017 11:39 AM
Comment #418633

The new communications director for the WH went on national TV to repeat russian talking points on collusion to prove that they didn’t collude with russia. Why did he do that? Because the POS told him to do that.

Another right wing poster comes in to prove that they can’t read.

Elderly degenerate gives a speech to thousands of teenagers about his pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth, and is praised by people who claim to be religious.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 26, 2017 12:18 PM
Comment #418636

At this point, Afghanistan is started to look like a colony of ours. China wants to spend trillions on infrastructure development there, while we want to extract resources for the corpocracy, as yet undefined or clarified by our author here, to make money out of the occupation. I wonder how the poppy fields are doing these days.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 26, 2017 1:28 PM
Comment #418638

“Fake News”

How funny. But I don’t expect my Pals on the Left to believe their own eyes and ears. They have been trained to ignore the obvious and believe what they are told…like good little robots. Sad.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 26, 2017 1:34 PM
Comment #418640

Sad indeed, Royal. But quite entertaining.
I can’t wait for their Imran Awan and tranny talking points to come out.

Posted by: kctim at July 26, 2017 2:08 PM
Comment #418644

“Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.”
Donald Trump, 6/14/16

Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2017 3:26 PM
Comment #418652

I’ve no idea what the transgender folks are costing the DOD. Fair to say that the military is not expected to enlist those who have health issues and want to use the military to pay for. and solve, their HC problems.

I was almost shut out of serving because of semi-flat feet. The Navy let me pass while the Army would have said no.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 26, 2017 9:34 PM
Comment #418653

orag, 3rd attempt. It’s as old as history, as common as dirt. It’s us against them. When one reaches the age of about 8 one starts to realize that the world ain’t exactly what it’s cracked up to be. Things aren’t always what they seem.

Simply said, money is the root of all evil. School teachers want more money. Monopoly’s and conglomerates want more money, and so on - - -

Life is not exactly fair but the civilized world puts laws into place to make life as fair as possible, to prevent continuous war.

Oakley eye wear would be a good example.

http://www.snopes.com/does-luxottica-own-80-of-the-eyeglass-industry/

http://www.cracked.com/article_18845_6-secret-monopolies-you-didnt-know-run-world.html

Corporations/institutions can be good or bad or, both good and bad. They can have a lot of power to grow themselves on their own accord. Like, a book corporation can establish 3 stores around a startup bookstore owned by Joe Smuck. After a while Joe can’t make payroll and shuts his doors. After a while the 3 stores fade into a single store and life goes on.

Corporations can only do so much themselves. The larger ones that have money to throw around often turn to the gov’t to grow themselves in size and wealth. Like, McDonalds might lobby the FDA to allow them to put micro plastic balls in their milk shakes to make them ‘smoother’ for the customer. This might save them some billions as plastic, being about the cheapest thing in the world, is cheaper than strawberries, and so on - - -

https://sunlightfoundation.com/2013/06/24/1pct_of_the_1pct/

A Doyle Smith of Dalton, Ohio placed a full page spread in the WaPo today pleading for monopolies to be broken up and titled “my country must survive”

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 26, 2017 9:46 PM
Comment #418654
Fake News”

How funny.

Whats so funny Royal? You have been duped by a propagandist and you can’t seem to figure it out.

But I don’t expect my Pals on the Left to believe their own eyes and ears.

Why should we Royal? It is the hope of Charlatans, Hucksters and Mountebanks forever to have us believe the unbelievable. They manipulate the video, you fall for it. It is called propaganda. We are wiser than that, So while you laugh at the truth we laugh at you.

“There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the **er, and this will always be “the man in the street.” Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.”
Joseph Goebbels

They have been trained to ignore the obvious and believe what they are told…like good little robots. Sad.

The hypocrisy is overwhelming Royal. You fall victim to O’Keefe’s propaganda and then embarrass yourself by accusing others of “being trained to ignore the obvious”! Zeig Heil Royal, The “just like the people of Germany in the early 30’s” award seem to be a lock for you this year.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 26, 2017 11:20 PM
Comment #418657

The POS is trying to break his own record for lying. He’s moving his ranking up from about 3 of 4 statements being lies, to now, 5 of 6 statements are lies.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 27, 2017 1:06 AM
Comment #418675

We all recognize that j2t2 only believes what he is told to believe. That’s sad, but OK. He is not mature enough to look and read for himself before making a decision.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 27, 2017 3:01 PM
Comment #418685
We all recognize that j2t2 only believes what he is told to believe.

But…but…but… Royal I’m the one that doesn’t believe O’Keefe based upon his actions and those involved with him in Project Veritas. What they do to impress you is amazing they,Project Veritas,actually has their people go and commit voter fraud to prove there is voter fraud! The only way they can find it is to do it themselves! That doesn’t prove their is actually voter fraud. Or they go and falsely claim someone isn’t a citizen when in fact they are! Yet I’m the one, in your world, that only believes what he is told to believe! Loser. OH and before you try to tell me it is still voter fraud remember theses people are saying millions of cases but all they can find is what they create themselves.


That’s sad, but OK. He is not mature enough to look and read for himself before making a decision.

My thoughts exactly Royal. You allow the propagandist to make your decisions. Easily led, unable to reason is sad.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 27, 2017 7:48 PM
Comment #418712

kctim, responding to your post in the thread above.

We should all be glad the ‘skinny repeal’ package didn’t pass. We need ‘repeal and replace’ legislation and I hope Trump will force the GOP’er’s back to the table this year or next.

Such an opportunity legislators had to repeal/replace and put in law a decent HC policy. Now, I assume we will get some thing cludged together in bipartisanship.

Can’t see this hurting the President’s image/standing at all. It was the GOP’er’s that failed in having a plan, developed on the last 7 years, ready to go.

Really disgusting how the dems and reps are, and have been for years, in bed with corpocracy.

I really hope either Hannity or Trump will run on a 3rd party ticket next goround. If Hannity is able to throw all this ‘Russia’ stuff back on the dems, reveal the Obamanites who unmasked so many citizens and so on, he will become more popular than Trump. Trump’s supporters would rally to him in an election.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 28, 2017 12:29 PM
Comment #418717

We wonder if my Pals on the Left can understand voter registration fraud. Many states give driver’s licenses to illegals. With that, it is simple to register to vote.

Roy, I too have now come to the point of backing a Third Party. The Republicans do not represent my interests. It is crystal clear that most of our elected lawmakers in Washington have no desire or intention to change the way the Washington political sewer operates.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 28, 2017 2:18 PM
Comment #418718

Roy,
We’re not going to get any repeal and replace legislation.

Bipartisanship? The leftists that now control the democratic party are ideologues. Hardliners who’s only goal is government dependency. They refused to work with anyone who did not believe government was the only solution to health care and then forced the ACA upon us.
There will be absolutely no compromise on their part.

“Can’t see this hurting the President’s image/standing at all.”

A big part of Trump’s campaign was repealing the ACA and so far he has failed. If people are hurting enough, they will want change and will wrongly hold Trump responsible for their financial pain caused by the ACA.

Hannity? In all honesty, I do not listen to talk radio, Roy so I cannot comment on him running for President.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2017 2:28 PM
Comment #418839

kctim, I’m counting ‘biggly’ on Hannity to put some Obamanites in prison.

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 29, 2017 9:27 PM
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