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Flynn Got Too Close to the Iran Deal, not to Russia

What is Ben Rhodes up to? Obama’s former deputy National Security Adviser is still hard at work, according to a very troubling story in the Washington Free Beacon. Mr. Echo Chamber himself has not yet unplugged his evil genius machine and seems to have been one of the organizing forces behind the intel community’s character assassination of Mike Flynn. And if you believe some commentators, Flynn was just the appetizer. They’re trying to bring down far bigger game.

Why? Ok, yes President Trump and the intel community are still at war with each other. That is, the former intel chiefs like Brennan and Clapper are out to damage the president in almost any way they can. Save getting him in an open limousine and getting him to go for a drive through in a city like, oh I don't know, say Dallas? But that's so old-fashioned modern. That's so mid-20th century. When you have almost all the press firmly on your side, just start destroying his key advisers, one by one. Much more Post-Modern. Like the novelist Rhodes one day dreamed of being.

That's the how and the who. But why? What is the underlying reason?

It's Iran, isn't it?

It's Flynn and Trump's opposition to the Iran deal. The one that Ben Rhodes was instrumental in putting together for his boss. The one where billions of dollars and untold arrangements were worked out in secret by the previous administration.

What details of the Iran Deal is Ben Rhodes so terrified over? What details that Trump and his advisers may find? And release to the public possibly?

A year ago, Obama and Rhodes toured Latin America. They finally visited Argentina, where a prosecutor - Daniel Nisman - had died a strange and suspicious death that may or may not have been suicide. Just before he was to testify to Argentina's Congress, on a secret deal between Cristina Kirchner's government and the Iran government, and a whitewashing of the latter's possible involvement, through Hezbollah, with the bombing of the Jewish cultural center in the mid-90's in Buenos Aires.

But that sort of blatant appeasement of terrorist-spawning Iran is a little too gauche for someone like Ben Rhodes. All that blood around that poor Argentine prosecutors skull. Ben doesn't need to do that to desperately try and make sure his and Obama's secrets on Iran stay hidden. Just feed the echo-chamber and watch it's fibre-optics destroy careers and, hopefully, capsize an administration before they dare to actually look into the Iran deal. And take concrete action.

Flynn was targeted, not because he got too close to Russia. But because he got too close to the Iran deal. And was determined to undo it. Come what may. Let's hope Trump's administration does not lose its resolve on this issue.

Posted by AllardK at February 15, 2017 4:19 PM
Comments
Comment #413345

Many were complicit in the horrible and anti-American Iran deal Allard. Your suspicions may be correct…who knows?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 15, 2017 4:32 PM
Comment #413347

This is a bizarre article and makes no sense.

The Obama administration placed sanctions on the Russians for interfering with our election. At that time, Flynn contacted the Russian ambassador several times in one day. Flynn claimed sanctions were not discussed. He told that to VP Pence & White House Spokeman Spicer. At the same time, Trump was informed that Flynn did, in fact, discuss those sanctions at length. AG Bates & FBI Director Comey informed Trump about it. They told Trump Flynn was vulnerable to blackmail. Trump did nothing.

When it became public Flynn was forced to resign.

Posted by: phx8 at February 15, 2017 4:41 PM
Comment #413351

Here’s a good link for those actually interested in some of the sticking points among Republicans writing new legislation to replace Obamacare.

“Republicans determined to cut Medicaid may first have to pour more money into it to keep the peace between Republican governors who expanded health care for low-income people under Obamacare and those who resisted.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/gop-medicaid-spending-235018

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #413353

Sorry, comment 351 was meant for the Dem/Lib column.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 15, 2017 5:25 PM
Comment #413354

The plot thickens:
http://www.newsweek.com/allies-intercept-russia-trump-adviser-communications-557283

Our allies have intelligence services, too.

Wonder what Israel is doing about Trump? Their Intelligence Community is very good. Their national survival can depend on it. Russia is friendly with Iran, and if the Trump administration put Israeli intelligence into Russian hands, that could end up in Iran, and it could be very bad for Israel. Most likely they are doing the same as the American IC- withholding the most important secrets from the Trump administration.

Posted by: phx8 at February 15, 2017 5:30 PM
Comment #413355

Quote from the link provided by phx8.

“These sources spoke on condition that they not be identified because they were not formally authorized to disclose the information.”

I could not find even a single direct quote pertaining to the theme of the article. I cancelled my subscription to Newsweek years ago as I could no longer stomach their one-sided and inaccurate reporting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 15, 2017 5:53 PM
Comment #413359

So, you don’t think Kurt Eichenwald accurately summarized what his sources told him?

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 15, 2017 9:55 PM
Comment #413360

WP,
Personally, I thought it was an interesting article. Anyone looking for “direct quotes” from people in the IC will be left in the dust by current events.

Correction: Director Comey & AG Bates went to the White House Chief Counsel, Trump’s personal bankruptcy lawyer, and not to Trump himself.

Posted by: phx8 at February 15, 2017 10:19 PM
Comment #413361

Me too. It seems strange for someone to accuse Kurt Eichenwald of Journalistic malfeasance out of the blue. The mainstream media is remarkably reliable. Only on a few occasions have people misbehaved and each of those occasions has ended the person’s career.

Not so with the alternative press. False stories and fake news pervade and the same stooges keep getting promoted on the basis of fealty to political ideology rather than the truth.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 15, 2017 10:53 PM
Comment #413376

President “I love Wikileaks” Trump” is very unhappy when leaks are directed at him. There is something perversely satisfying about seeing his life turned into a living hell by the same kind of leaks that seemed to benefit him only a short while ago.

This is terrible for the country. The National Security Advisor is gone because of his contacts with the Russians, followed by his denials to the VP and White House Spokesman. Now the conservative WSJ is reporting something that has already been out there, that the IC does not trust Trump. This has been reported previously. Other countries- we used to think of them as good allies- will not trust the Trump administration with intelligence relating to the Russians.

There needs to be an independent investigation by a Special Prosecutor or Select Committee. Unfortunately, too many Republicans do not want that because they perceive they are benefiting in the short term, even if it is terrible for the country in the long run. Congressman King from IA is calling for IC purges. Spoken like a true Russian sympathizer.

Is that where we are going? Will we turn against the western democracies in order to align with the corrupt, ethno nationalist Russians?

Posted by: phx8 at February 16, 2017 12:09 PM
Comment #413382

Warren writes; “Me too. It seems strange for someone to accuse Kurt Eichenwald of Journalistic malfeasance out of the blue. The mainstream media is remarkably reliable.”

Please provide my quote about Kurt.

Newsweek had a worldwide circulation of more than 4 million in 2003. According to a published 2015 column in the NY Post(“Media Ink”: March 6, 2015), Newsweek’s circulation had fallen to “just over 100,000” with staff at that time numbering “about 60 editorial staffers,” up from a low of “less than 30 editorial staffers” in 2013, but with announced plans then to grow the number to “close to 100 in the next year.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek

Here’s phx8 writing; “There is something perversely satisfying about seeing his (Trump) life turned into a living hell…”

OH, MY, Goodness. Trump is having the best time of his life. He won an election everyone predicted he would lose. He has most of his nominations in place. He is refreshingly honest and open at his press conferences. Business is reacting positively to his brief time in office as well as the equity markets.

Please don’t confuse the “hell” you may be living in phx8 with that of the president.


Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 1:54 PM
Comment #413383

kctim, thanks for the link to the NPR reporting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 1:58 PM
Comment #413391
Please provide my quote about Kurt.

“One-sided and inaccurate reporting” ring any bells, old man?

I am not sure why you waste our time with notes regarding Newsweek subscriptions. I hope you aren’t trying to argue that an article’s veracity is a function of the popularity of the periodical in which it appears.

kctim,
I likewise thank you for sharing Camila Domonoske’s work. Remember, that there are multiple concerns at play here. Flynn’s possible violation of the Logan Act being just one.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 3:39 PM
Comment #413395

Warren must have had a rough night studying and his bleary eyes can’t read.

I wrote; “I cancelled my subscription to Newsweek years ago as I could no longer stomach their one-sided and inaccurate reporting.”

In his stupor he couldn’t tell the difference between my comment about Newsweek and a reporter named “Kurt”.

His hang-over then led him to conclude that Newsweek’s dramatic decline in readership is because they were popular and veracious.

My poor Libby Pals are just getting befuddled with the accomplishment of the Trump administration and are striking out blindly hoping to actually hit something.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 4:10 PM
Comment #413397

Royal Flush-
When’s the last time you actually researched and issue and rebutted their argument based on facts? All I see you doing is grousing about the liberal press, and trying to use ad populam arguments about Trump’s victory and the circulation numbers of outlets critical of him in order to avoid these questions entirely.

Yes, unnamed sources can be incorrect. Can be doesn’t mean is. That’s something you ought to be determining by looking at the facts that have been corroborated, and that have not been.

I hardly thing the “he lied to me” explanation for why Flynn was fired holds water, since Trump was informed weeks ago. Trump knew he’d lied to Pence. It should have occurred the minute he learned, if that was the reason. why keep him on for weeks, then tolerate the damage coming his way from the Press? And if it’s all fake news, why fire him?

I know you feel obligated to defend Trump for political reasons, to repeat these claims of theirs without checking them, but if I were in your position, I think I’d be giving up on these people. They’re scum.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at February 16, 2017 5:06 PM
Comment #413399

Yes Flynn lied but the real crime is the leaks and the scum is the leakers and the liberals who think otherwise.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 16, 2017 5:17 PM
Comment #413403

“When’s the last time you actually researched and issue and rebutted their argument based on facts?”

Stephen, that would be Comment #413156, February 11, 2017 4:10 PM Republican/Conservative column regarding The ninth circuit.

I believe your question was merely rhetorical and meant to belittle me and aggrandize yourself.

The reason my writing seems strange to you and my other Libby Pals is that I take in information from many sources and condense it into my thoughts and words which does not require me to cite credit.

Unlike you, and others, my education, in addition to the basics, was to train my mind to understand and use critical thinking.

Stephen, Warren and some others are fresh out of wearing short pants, or a step away from senility, and get their information fed to them by others; bypassing the unlikely, but possible benefit, of their own critical thought.

Stephen often writes volumes to make a single point which is indicative of disorderly thinking. His penchant for mixing science fiction with reality confuses him and his readers.

We often feel sorry for Stephen and Warren for being exposed only to Liberal and Progressive thought in their lives, but; it is not too late for them to expand their thinking.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 5:44 PM
Comment #413406

RF,

Blabbering on and on about critical thinking is not the same thing as actually thinking critically. In fact, your comments are some of the most vacuous ones I ever read here. You spend so much time tossing insults towards Stephen, Phx8 and me, you have hardly any opportunity to to actually crank any cogs in your ancient cranium.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 6:36 PM
Comment #413407
Yes Flynn lied

Lying to the FBI isn’t a real crime?

the real crime is the leaks and the scum is the leakers

Like how Mark Felt’s leaks were the real scandal 45 years ago?

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 6:40 PM
Comment #413408

Warren, you are sooo easy. Some day, when you grow up a little more, you will perhaps realize how you are being played by me and others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 6:40 PM
Comment #413409

Warren is shilling for the Washington Post. One has to subscribe to read his link. Payback for subscriptions Warren?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 6:45 PM
Comment #413410

I am already well aware how you like to play with me. Naive as I am, I come here to actually learn new things and engage in earnest debate. Instead, you lead me astray with distractions of many varieties and fallacious non sequiturs of varying degrees. Slowly, but surely, I am learning your ways.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 6:48 PM
Comment #413411

“Slowly, but surely, I am learning your ways.”

Keep at it Warren, but don’t let it interfere with your formal studies. I realize how disappointed you are from my refusal to give you an apprenticeship. You do know that it was based upon my concerns for your school grades. You simply aren’t ready to do both.

Are you attending the just announced AlGore climate clinic? If so, take notes and share the wisdom.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 6:55 PM
Comment #413412

RF,

I am thrilled that you enjoy reading the post so much that you’ve exhausted your allowance of free articles for the month. It means you know where to find good journalism.

Anyway, if you are curious, the anonymous source who spoke to Sari Horwitz and Adam Entous did not permit them to use any actual quotes. Instead, the reader is simply told, “Former national security adviser Michael Flynn denied to FBI agents in an interview last month that he had discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States before President Trump took office”.

Now, we can put on our critical thinking caps and brainstorm the possible chains of events that could lead to that paragraph being published:

Option A) Flynn lied to the FBI.
Option B) FBI source lied to Horwitz & Entous.
Option C) Horwitz & Entous lied about what said source told them.

Options B & C require conspiracies too absurd to believe. I pick “A”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 7:04 PM
Comment #413413
Are you attending the just announced AlGore climate clinic

Most certainly not. I would not waste my time with him or any other activist.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 7:05 PM
Comment #413414

“I am thrilled that you enjoy reading the post so much that you’ve exhausted your allowance of free articles for the month.”

That’s true Warren, I do enjoy reading a variety of papers and other sources of information. I don’t want to subscribe. Can you get me a free subscription? While you are at it, I would like a free subscription to the NYT if possible.

Warren wrote; “…anonymous source who spoke to Sari Horwitz and Adam Entous did not permit them to use any actual quotes.

OK, no names and no quotes. Sure has my attention. Great investigative reporting.

I will wager you Warren that “anonymous source” approached Sari and Adam. They didn’t find anonymous source on their own.

Option D. Anonymous source doesn’t know anything. Maybe he/she just wanted a free meal.

Option E. Anonymous source is quoting another anonymous source.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 7:20 PM
Comment #413415

I would not waste my time with him or any other activist.
Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 7:05 PM

Wow…Warren, you have risen a few points in my estimation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 7:33 PM
Comment #413416

Warren described me as having an “ancient cranium.”

True. I must admit that my memory is not as keen as it once was. If one is fortunate to live many years, in good health, it is a blessing for which I am thankful. For some, long life may be a punishment.

I have worked crossword puzzles for many years and found some were challenging. I read a great deal, and play poker. One must find ways to keep the mind active. Political sparring with Warren and others helps me stay interested and curious. I thank all who participate on WatchBlog.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 16, 2017 7:48 PM
Comment #413419
I will wager you Warren that “anonymous source” approached Sari and Adam. They didn’t find anonymous source on their own.

Duh! There is currently a concerted effort from within the IC to leak information to damage Trump. The people who work there obviously don’t feel that the normal channels of Justice are functioning properly as both the AG and Congress are in the tank for the President, so they’ve chosen leaks to the press as a last resort.

Option D. Anonymous source doesn’t know anything. Maybe he/she just wanted a free meal.

Option E. Anonymous source is quoting another anonymous source.

These are no different than option B. You allege that the anonymous source is not telling the truth to Horwitz and Entous, but you have absolutely no basis for believing that to be so.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 16, 2017 11:38 PM
Comment #413421

Warped, “Lying to the FBI a real crime” Yes it is but what was the lie the substance of the call and which is worse the lie or the passing of confidential material? Both are bad but the passing of the confidential material is worse.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at February 16, 2017 11:47 PM
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