Third Party & Independents Archives

The Trump Revolution Is Ramping Up

I mean, how much better can this thing get.? I may end up taking my wife on a 2nd honeymoon or something biggly like that.

The little man standing in front of a tsunami throwing barbs at Rex Tillerson. Trump cutting CNN off at the knees x x x - - - the neck, at todays press conf. Obama’s political whores being called out for what they are - - - zippity do dah, zippity e a

IMO, Trump has far exceeded the accomplishment of all presidents since Ike and, he won’t be president for another week. .Mexico, I’ve heard China is offering good rates to those looking to build a wall and so on - - -

Posted by Roy Ellis at January 11, 2017 8:19 PM
Comments
Comment #412126

The GOP, thru the hearings, are sort of telling Trump what they will and will not let him do in his presidency.

Keep it up GOP’ers - - - your election cycle will be coming soon.

Posted by: roy ellis at January 11, 2017 8:41 PM
Comment #412137

Roy, Trump wasn’t slashing CNN he was slashing someone within the intelligence community. I’m sure he knows who it is now too.

This is part of the reason why I personally didn’t want a Trump presidency, this is not the time in history to burn the house down, but I do admit that the high level political games will be entertaining in a manner not unlike reality tv. If you’ve ever been on reality tv fan sites you know about the discussions of TPTB and right now there is an all out war in the producer’s room.

And it’s clear that Trump has some good tools in his arsenal. Tillerson was he smartest person in the room yesterday and his “I don’t know” answers to the Exxon questions were brilliant!

Posted by: George in SC at January 12, 2017 9:48 AM
Comment #412139

Revolution?
All I see is a guy being offended with the way he is being unfairly treated and then lashing out in a way unfitting for a US President.

From day one the left and the media fawned over Obama. They kissed his a$$, covered for him, and excused away all his failures. THAT is what Trump wants, but he is never going to it and he should accept that.

The scary part is that Trump so far seems to be the kind of person who could put that quest for their approval, before those who voted for him.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2017 10:20 AM
Comment #412140

When would be a good time to burn the house down, George in SC? Trump got hired to drain the swamp. You have to make a mess to clean up a mess. This mess is at least 60 years in the making.


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 12, 2017 10:26 AM
Comment #412147

Willie that’s a good point and I would say…

After the past eight years we definitely have some big issues to tackle and to do so means compromise. A Clinton administration, supported by the Washington establishment, could have worked with a Republican Congress and might have actually had a chance. I would have liked to see us at least try one more time before we gave up. Others, the people in Trumpland if you will, weren’t so patient. I think that’s short sided because as bad as things are we are still the deal on the planet IMO.

But that’s not how it went and I’m still here to see how it all plays out. It definitely will be the Trump Administration vs Red, Blue, Green, the lobbyists, the press, and the WeeBees.

Posted by: George in SC at January 12, 2017 11:42 AM
Comment #412151
All I see is a guy being offended with the way he is being unfairly treated and then lashing out in a way unfitting for a US President.

Unfairly treated!! The same guy that told us the Cruz family was associated with the Kennedy assassination, The guy that insulted each of his opponents with personal attacks,those that voted against him, handicapped guy, vilified the press for doing their job, threatened the opposition with jail, seriously?

Seems to me the Trump revolution has stalled, at least for his working class voters unless his cabinets picks do a complete 180 against their interests.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 12, 2017 1:46 PM
Comment #412161

When are we going to stop playing Trump Trivia, j2t2? Aren’t you tired of spouting minutia, already?

Stalled?! Ha! He hasn’t even been sworn in yet. One thing you have to say about Herr Trump, he is productive!

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 12, 2017 3:06 PM
Comment #412162

“Seems to me the Trump revolution has stalled…”

Really j2t2? Could you share the details with the rest of us?

I will enjoy inauguration day immensely. I voted for another very rich guy back in 1960 and liked his work. I expect much from Trump.

What is very different with Trump is obvious. Many politicians come into politics with barely two nickles to rub together and leave politics years later multi-millionaires. They certainly don’t become super rich on their salaries and my guess is that their wealth accumulation has much to do with their political position.

Trump comes into politics as a novice politician and billionaire. Running for and being elected president has cost Trump millions of his own money.

How different is that?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 12, 2017 3:14 PM
Comment #412171

J2, like it or not Trump is the President elect and it is now time for him to be treated as such.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #412181
What is very different with Trump is obvious. Many politicians come into politics with barely two nickles to rub together and leave politics years later multi-millionaires. They certainly don’t become super rich on their salaries and my guess is that their wealth accumulation has much to do with their political position.

Trump comes into politics as a novice politician and billionaire. Running for and being elected president has cost Trump millions of his own money.

RF,

Your hypothesis is tempting. However, Trump has a track record of treachery and con artistry when it comes to money. Although quite wealthy, he is definitely not as rich as he claims and his insecurity motivates him to expand his wealth even further. Corruption will carry the day in the Trump Whitehouse. Yesterday’s announcement that he will neither divest himself from his assets nor set up a blind trust to manage them says so loud and clear.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 12, 2017 6:04 PM
Comment #412183

Well Warren, we simply disagree as no facts are yet known on the Trump Presidency.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 12, 2017 6:33 PM
Comment #412184

I am curious Warren, from where did this idea originate?

“…and his (Trump) insecurity motivates him to expand his wealth even further.”

Never having admitted to being in the psychiatric field Warren, you never-the-less find some basis for saying Trump is “insecure” and is driven to “expand his wealth”. Please share the genesis your insight.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 12, 2017 6:40 PM
Comment #412189

Trump’s narcissism is obviously a mask to cover profound insecurity, no?

The guy claims to be worth $10 billion when all indications show that he has far less than that.

Those two factors put together means there is a huge chance he will exploit the first opportunity to grow $1 billion fortune into a $10 billion one. The American taxpayer be damned.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 12, 2017 10:27 PM
Comment #412191

Trump is not even pretending to be ethical. He has said that since he is president, he can not have a conflict of interest. His sons will run his businesses through a trust. However, the trust he is talking about is an ordinary trust. That is NOT a blind trust, not in any way, shape, or form. I will start with the assumption that this will be the most corrupt administration in history, that way it won’t be so upsetting to see someone steal the country blind.

Btw, that Representative Price is a real piece of work. He traded $300,000 in 40 health care stocks while voting on legislation affecting them.

Oh, and good news for crooks! The GOP and Trump will do away with the Consumer Financial Protection Board. They really hate it, so they will begin by putting in a GOP Congressman who wants to do away with it. Seems the CFPT has “returned $12 billion to 27 million people caught up in various scams, passed pro-consumer rules on issues like mortgage disclosure… The agency was central in exposing the large-scale checking and credit card fraud at Wells Fargo.” (HuffPo)

The banksters want that gone gone gone!

Posted by: phx8 at January 13, 2017 1:29 AM
Comment #412198

phx8, Quote the law that states the President must put their business in a blind trust or constitutional amendment? What I have read he can still run his business and be president at the same time. But most modern day presidents don’t do that because they don’t want the conflict. But there is no law that says he can’t have his kids of close relative run things while he serves as POTUS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 13, 2017 10:32 AM
Comment #412201

KAP,
It is not a law. So, you’re good with that? You have no problem with potential conflicts of interest? OK. Got it.

Look down, KAP. The swamp just rose over your knees.

And it is not a law that presidential candidates release their tax returns. I think if we learned anything at all from this past election, boys and girls, it is that candidates must release them.

Today, the Chairman of the House Oversight Committee is threatening the head of the Office of Government Ethics unless he comes in to talk about his statement. The head of the OGE pointed out a Trump giving his businesses to his sons is NOT a blind trust. It also seems some of the nominees for various positions never completed their vetting.

Posted by: phx8 at January 13, 2017 11:08 AM
Comment #412204

phx8, Sure I have a problem with conflict of interest. “IF” it happens. The real problem is people
like you spouting “DOOM and GLOOM” before the guy takes office. The radical right did it with Obama now you and the left are doing it with Trump. The Clinton’s if Hillary were to win would give the foundation to Chelsea to run. Would that be a “BLIND TRUST”? Would that be a potential for conflict of interest?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 13, 2017 11:35 AM
Comment #412206

The ‘Trump Revolution’ isn’t going to really add up to a whole lot. This insane leftist so-called revolution, with their outright support of socialism, blatant hate for all who disagree with them, and calls for violence and now even martial law, is what is ramping up.

Posted by: kctim at January 13, 2017 11:51 AM
Comment #412207
When are we going to stop playing Trump Trivia, j2t2? Aren’t you tired of spouting minutia, already?

What else has he done other than tweet foolishness and nominate the fox to be in charge of the chicken in his cabinet?

Stalled?! Ha! He hasn’t even been sworn in yet. One thing you have to say about Herr Trump, he is productive!

My point exactly…. well almost exactly because all my conservative friends seem to have cut what I actually said in half…..but that being said you didn’t seem to have a problem with ” Trump has far exceeded the accomplishment of all presidents since Ike” so why the hypocrisy Weary, Royal et al? Zeig Heil, Trump uber alles and Mein Fuhrer for all of you acting like the people of Germany in the early ‘30’s..

J2, like it or not Trump is the President elect and it is now time for him to be treated as such.

Isn’t that what we are doing kctim? The problem is despite him and his followers being so anti-PC they sure do complain when others aren’t as PC as they would like. Vetting the president elect, especially one with such low moral character( a pathological liar if ever there was one), is part of the process. To think he would make campaign promises, or as Weary says defending his idol, minutia, and then tell us immediately after being elected he isn’t keeping his promises raises questions in those that don’t blindly foollow(a new word, fool and follower combined) any charismatic that comes along.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 13, 2017 12:50 PM
Comment #412208

Warren is a truly amazing young man. He can analyze personality defects and provide psychological profiles with no contact with his subject. We know this as he writes this about Mr. Trump.

“Trump’s narcissism is obviously a mask to cover profound insecurity, no?

Here’s a humorous assessment of President Obama by the “beloved” Mary Matalin.

Mendacity and Malice Won

What happened? A political narcissistic sociopath leveraged fear and ignorance with a campaign marked by mendacity and malice rather than a mandate for resurgence and reform. Instead of using his high office to articulate a vision for our future, Obama used it as a vehicle for character assassination, replete with unrelenting and destructive distortion, derision, and division.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332941/mendacity-and-malice-won-mary-matalin#

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 13, 2017 1:53 PM
Comment #412209

“Isn’t that what we are doing kctim?”

No, it is not J2.
The left isn’t questioning his campaign promises or just disagreeing with his policies, they are marching and rioting in the streets over the lie that he is not legitimate. They are dishonestly using popular vote numbers to claim he did not win the election, and to demand that we change our form of government.
Democratic lawmakers, talking-heads and media are promoting hyperbole as fact.
Democratic minnions have all bought into the BS and are parroting ‘not my President’ and vowing ‘no peaceful transition of power.’

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/anti-trump-activists-plan-road-blocking-clusterf-k-for-inauguration

All simply because Trump did not run as a liberal or as a supporter of progressive policy.
All with total disrespect of our election process and with total disregard for the office.

Posted by: kctim at January 13, 2017 1:59 PM
Comment #412213

Well, it only stands to reason and experience that Warren Porter, j2t2, and phx8 are racists. They must be because they disagree with President Trump. They don’t like Milo and want him fired from his job, so they must also be Homophobic. Despite all the good Bannon did for Jewish people they hate him, so we can add Anti-Semitic to the list. They can’t stand Trump being wealthy and think it’s a license to break the law, so they are obviously hate prosperity and love slander.

This tirade the left is having is bringing out their true selves. It ain’t perty, is it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 13, 2017 3:52 PM
Comment #412214

RF,

Obama is not a narcissist.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 13, 2017 3:54 PM
Comment #412216

RF,
That quote from Mary Matalin after the 2012 win by Obama is great:

“A political narcissistic sociopath leveraged fear and ignorance with a campaign marked by mendacity and malice rather than a mandate for resurgence and reform. Instead of using his high office to articulate a vision for our future, Obama used it as a vehicle for character assassination, replete with unrelenting and destructive distortion, derision, and division.

One of the best examples of an old saying: karma is a b****

Posted by: phx8 at January 13, 2017 4:36 PM
Comment #412221
All simply because Trump did not run as a liberal or as a supporter of progressive policy.

I’m confused kctim, the link you provided stated an anarchist group was the group planning the “no peaceful transition” you speak of. It brings to mind the late ‘20’s and early ‘30’s when the anarchist fought the fascist in Europe. Coincidence, I think not.

You blame everything on the left. But you provide no proof, so when you say “Democratic minnions have all bought into the BS and are parroting ‘not my President’ and vowing ‘no peaceful transition of power.’” please provide some prof. I also wonder why it is you are pestering me with this stuff as it isn’t something I have said. IMHO Herr Trump is being treated just as he deserves. You seem to have went off on a tangent.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 14, 2017 1:42 AM
Comment #412235
Well, it only stands to reason and experience that Warren Porter, j2t2, and phx8 are racists. They must be because they disagree with President Trump.

For starters Weary be advised I am speaking only for myself. I would venture a guess that both phx8 and Warren are way to smart to respond to such nonsense, but not me.

I do disagree with Trump on some issues, I think, but how can you tell when he flip flops like a fish dying on the beach. I am disappointed he used Russian prostitutes for golden showers instead of American prostitutes when he espouses creating jobs, I assumed it was American jobs.

But that being said I am as white as Trump why would I be a racist in your mind. Looking forward to the logic on this one Weary don’t disappoint me.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 14, 2017 2:35 PM
Comment #412241

There are a lot of people on the left who are white and hate white people. And, as you know because you are of the left, only white people can be racist, right? According to the left, a person who disagrees with a president is racist by default.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 14, 2017 4:14 PM
Comment #412246
According to the left, a person who disagrees with a president is racist by default.

That is the most absurd idea I have ever seen. The Left never labeled anyone a racist simply for disagreeing with Obama. People were only labeled racist when they expressed racist views, which meant that they treated people differently on the basis of skin color rather than the content of the characters.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 14, 2017 5:01 PM
Comment #412256

Want to see more? I can get more.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 14, 2017 5:57 PM
Comment #412257

Wearie Willie, you have shown me examples where the Left labeled particular people racists. However, you have not proved WHY those people were labeled such. Probe deeper and you will discover that it isn’t simply because they disagreed with the President.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 15, 2017 12:32 AM
Comment #412258

This person sums it up:


“I want to talk today about a controversial word,” she said, as FrontPageMag.com reported. “It’s a word that’s been with us for years. And like it or not, it’s indelibly printed in the pages of America history. A word that was originally intended as a derogatory term, meant to shame and divide and demean. The word was conceived by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man — to render him inferior and unequal and diminish his accomplishments.”

Ms. Harris-Perry then ranted a bit longer and then summarizing: “I mean, what do you call the president who rescues the U.S. auto industry? Obamacare. What do you call the president who finally eliminates Osama bin Laden? Obamacare. What do you call the president who ends don’t ask, don’t tell? Say it with me — Obamacare.”


MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 11:56 AM
Comment #412262
There are a lot of people on the left who are white and hate white people. And, as you know because you are of the left, only white people can be racist, right? According to the left, a person who disagrees with a president is racist by default.

So this is the mindset that causes the USA to have a Trump presidency! My God man you’ve got to use your head and stop being so emotional. I swear the anti-PC crowd is the most sensitive group of people I have ever seen. It seems you confuse freedom with freedumb when you respond with such emotional outbursts.

All because someone insulted you fragile ego! You have worked yourself into an emotional wreck and came up with this gem of conservative “logic”…er umm conservative emotions. As I write this I can see how hard you worked to get this emotional tirade out of your head and into the universe Weary. IMHO it is actually harder to wring out emotionally charged gibberish than it is to use logic, I’m tired out with this little bit of emotion instead of logic bit.

Hopefully you get my point.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 12:48 PM
Comment #412263

I see there is no way you can defend the left’s rants about faux racism hiding behind every blade of grass.

Instead, you insult the messenger. Way to go, j2t2. You’re staying true to form. El Che Vive!

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 12:58 PM
Comment #412264
I see there is no way you can defend the left’s rants about faux racism hiding behind every blade of grass.

What rants about “faux racism” Weary? I’m not aware of any to defend.

Look Weary I’m not trying to insult anyone albeit I am less than PC, which I would think you would consider good. The point I’m am making is your feelings are hurt because of the racism discussion. You responded with such an illogical argument that was a waste of our time. I simply pointed out how such a post truth argument is lacking in logic and not worthy of a real response. Stick to the real my friend. This propaganda you spout will become yet another conservative myth if it is repeated over and…. oh wait…. Oh I see where you are heading with this.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 2:32 PM
Comment #412266

Tell you what Weary, lets have an intelligent discussion on racism, shall we. I may not be the best person to discuss it with, because I’m a fence sitter on this issue compared to some on the left.

But here goes…
As I have stated many times here on WB I believe everyone is racist to one degree or another. Were there a scale of racist I would probably fall in the somewhat to slightly racist area of the scale. But hey that is my opinion others may think differently.

I also think some on the left carry things a bit far at times as they fight against overt racism. I think they lump overt racist with enablers of racism (Perhaps racist-tolerant as Neil Buchanan calls it.) My point being perhaps we need a scale to help people realize to what degree they are racist would help with clarification.

IMHO some on the right, in general, are in denial because they have good intentions but bad habits when it comes to racism. Some of course are overt racist and some are farther down the scale. Feelings get hurt because of all the defensive mechanisms people on the right resort to only to be called racist, your myth creations being an example.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 2:57 PM
Comment #412267

I appreciate your remarks on racism j2t2.

As far as I can determine, racism is not illegal in the United States as it is considered an opinion by most people.

I agree with you regarding the degrees of racism. In the opinion of some there is hatred of organized religion by degrees as well. Some actually have burned religious institutions, used art to denigrate religious icons, publicly called for eliminating tax exemption of religiously owned property, and called for absolute separation of church and state.

Racism is related to hatred in my opinion as some is mild and some is harsh and extreme. We can hate with impunity from legal prosecution in the United States and that is fine with me. I hate football players who intentionally try to harm other players. I hate politicians who lie.

And, we can love with impunity as well. Random acts of love and charity are less frequent than expressions of hatred. So sad.

In recorded history has there ever been a civilization that has conquered hate?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 15, 2017 3:20 PM
Comment #412270
MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry

Three things:

1) MHP is wrong. The term “Obamacare” did not originate with a “group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man — to render him inferior and unequal and diminish his accomplishments.”

2) MHP did not condemn anyone a racist merely because they disagreed with Obama. She said that the term “Obamacare” was conceived with racist intentions, which is a different accusation entirely. Even under her flawed premise, a critic using the word “Obamacare” is not necessarily a racist let alone critic who refrained from using the word “Obamacare” entirely.

3) You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Recall that MHP lost her MSNBC show last year after flinging fallacious accusations of racism in all directions.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 15, 2017 4:02 PM
Comment #412271

I live in a city where racism/vulgar talk is frequent. I attribute it to ignorance more than actual encounters with another race.

Melissa Harris-Perry is, in my opinion, a racist. She uses race as a weapon against those she disagrees with. She took an otherwise benign word and associated it with racism and then used that word to attack those who disagreed with her political issue. That is a racist response from someone who think racism is a weapon to bludgeon an opponent. That mentality was painfully obvious during the ACA intrusion, not only by her, but by many on the left.

As for my comment, I was giving you a taste of what the right has been going through for the last 30 years. A constant harangue of accusations that have nothing to do with ignorance or intolerance by the right, but an orchestrated attack by the left on those who disagree with the left’s agenda.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 4:09 PM
Comment #412272
Melissa Harris-Perry is, in my opinion, a racist

Racism means treating other people differently on the basis of the color of their skin. As far as I can tell, MHP has never done such a thing. I am reasonably certain MHP has not treated Benjamin Carson any differently than Donald Trump even though one is black and one is white. I’m sure she is probably equally harsh with each.


used that word to attack those who disagreed with her political issue

She used that word to target people who used that word. People who disagreed with her issue and did not use that word were not attacked.

She took an otherwise benign word
Obamacare NEVER was a “benign” word. It has ALWAYS been derogatory even if such disparagement wasn’t necessarily racially motivated.
A constant harangue of accusations that have nothing to do with ignorance or intolerance by the right
You cherry-picked MHP, who I regard as a bad actor. Most of the accusations in that harangue were indeed motivated by ignorance or intolerance by the right. Posted by: Warren Porter at January 15, 2017 4:41 PM
Comment #412274

Melissa Harris Perry, I listen to her RACIST rants one day and I would put her in the same category as Al Sharpton.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 15, 2017 5:13 PM
Comment #412275
As for my comment, I was giving you a taste of what the right has been going through for the last 30 years. A constant harangue of accusations that have nothing to do with ignorance or intolerance by the right, but an orchestrated attack by the left on those who disagree with the left’s agenda.

You make the righties sound as if they have never condoned nor committed a racist act or uttered a racist comment. Your exaggerations of the time frame and the facts are wrong, an unjustified attack on the left to excuse the actions of the right. I would consider this a type of racist enabling at the very least.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 5:49 PM
Comment #412276

KAP,

MHP & Al Sharpton have their problems, but racism isn’t one of them.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 15, 2017 7:07 PM
Comment #412277

Get your head out your butt, Warped, both are racist especially the NOT so rev Al.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 15, 2017 7:23 PM
Comment #412278

KAP,

Racism = Power + Prejudice. In what way do either of these people poses prejudicial views or wield the power to implement them?

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
Comment #412279

Warped, MHP, power of the MEDIA as did Al. The MEDIA is the one most powerful tool you can have.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 15, 2017 7:44 PM
Comment #412280
MHP, power of the MEDIA as did Al.

KAP you are talking about MSNBC right? Kinda makes you look foolish as you claim these two have the power of the smallest media outlet as your basis for crying racist. Sharpton had 60k viewers!

Time to accept facts guys, using these pathetic well they did it too arguments even though they are baseless doesn’t serve your cause.


Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 8:27 PM
Comment #412281
Racism means treating other people differently on the basis of the color of their skin.

Maybe for a 5 year old, Warren Porter. Everyone here knows it’s not as simple as that.

I’d like to offer the left this conundrum.

I said before that my city has it’s racist tendencies. I may also have said this, that my city and county has been a one party political system my entire life. A Republican in office could be compared to the character in South Park, Token. There’s always the token Republican that will second the motion or be the deciding vote.
So, riddle me this Batman? After 50 years of solid Democratic party control why are there still these racist tendencies in my city?

The true racism that goes on in this country and in our media is using race as a vehicle to determine law and promote political views.

None of us here are true racists, yet we will spend hours debating what we think racism is. We’ll verbally jab each other for days. I’ve actually been called a racist here on WatchBlog!

j2t2 is spending all his time trying to convince us Trump is a Nazi. Warren Porter will always condemn the individual Democratic while maintaining his party and it’s motives are still as clean and pure as the wind driven snow. And guess what? We never come to an agreement because the focus of the discussion is flawed. The reason we oppose each other is based on a fallacy.

The Democratic party decided to group people for political purposes after their ‘68 convention debacle. I think that’s when the Democratic party lost it’s soul and started lying to people.

When Kennedy and Nixon debated, the power of the media and television was obvious. They knew looking good on TV had it’s advantages. So Democratics started using race as a vehicle while the media painted them as saviors from Heaven come to rescue the down-trodden. Those who opposed them were portrayed as ignorant racists for standing in the way. The issue gets lost because the ridicule of the opponent is dominant.

Without looking, what’s the title of this post?

You had to look, yes?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 8:44 PM
Comment #412283
I’d like to offer the left this conundrum.

What conundrum Weary? Because you politicize racism you believe majority rules each and every individual in the city? Perhaps institutionalized racism would be a conundrum but individual racism isn’t.

I live in a conservative cesspool yet racism isn’t rampant here, IMHO. It does exist and it is handed down by older to younger generations. But the younger generations are doing much better than we did. Most of them anyways.

The people I work with are sexist and racist in differing degrees. Seems to me the less education the more sexism and racism.

The city I am near runs the gambit from overt racist to just being human. Major employers are more enlightened than old school employers for the most part. The state prison and the local college are seeking people of different races and have added some diversity to the town.

So IMHO it seems to me to be an individual effort as the local politicians don’t do squat to help out. On the positive side these conservative politicians don’t overtly do anything to promote racism.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 9:27 PM
Comment #412284
The true racism that goes on in this country and in our media is using race as a vehicle to determine law and promote political views.

Oh Bulls**t Weary. Refusing to acknowledge the infiltration of police departments by overt racist, not to mention the hatred and scorn, by people in power, directed at minorities in this country is wrong. Choosing instead to blame the messenger is either ignorance or an attempt to justify your political opinions despite evidence to the contrary. It makes you part of the problem and makes you appear to be disingenuous.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 15, 2017 9:37 PM
Comment #412285

Warped, I’m not going to argue with you because I would get better results from my wall. No matter if Al had 60k viewers or 600k viewers his racist rants got out and he is still in the public eye with his protest of Trump’s innaguration. The same goes for MHP no matter her viewer ship the message goes out and gets carried by those viewers.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 15, 2017 10:05 PM
Comment #412286

Why doesn’t Warren Porter expect Milo to be fired for his contribution, but he says not a word about Sharpton and his platform.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 10:34 PM
Comment #412287

Why does Warren Porter expect Milo…

My bad.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 10:35 PM
Comment #412288

Or Melissa Harris-Perry, for that matter?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 15, 2017 10:36 PM
Comment #412290

WW,

I’d like to offer the left this conundrum.

I said before that my city has it’s racist tendencies. I may also have said this, that my city and county has been a one party political system my entire life. A Republican in office could be compared to the character in South Park, Token. There’s always the token Republican that will second the motion or be the deciding vote.
So, riddle me this Batman? After 50 years of solid Democratic party control why are there still these racist tendencies in my city?

Your so-called “conundrum” is only a paradox because of the (false) assumptions you make. This isn’t a Black & White world where people and places are either racist or they are not. More precisely, we typically are better served discussing whether a particular behavior is racist or not. And then, we must understand that racism is everywhere. It’s only a matter of degree.

Beyond all that, you falsely assume that all Democrats are liberal, but we both know that conservative Democrats exist and were quite common in decades past. In a similar vein, I won’t deny that some of our nation’s cities have suffered under corrupt political machines run by Democratic politicians. But I don’t consider any of those politicians to be liberals precisely because corruption is anathema to liberalism.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, you incorrectly assume that controlling a local government entails an ability to change ever facet of a municipality. Of course, entrenched public employees and a multitude of private actors act quite independently of local political leaders. Likewise, a local municipality can get railroaded by conservative policy emanating from its respective state capital. For instance, Republicans in Lansing have done great harm to the cities of Detroit and Lansing.

KAP,

No matter if Al had 60k viewers or 600k viewers

It was actually j2t2 who mentioned the very limited reach of Al’s MSNCB show.
the message goes out and gets carried by those viewers.

I agree, but you only supplied one half of the equation. Show me the prejudice broadcasted by MHP or Al.

WW,

Why does Warren Porter expect Milo to be fired for his contribution, but he says not a word about Sharpton and his platform or Melissa Harris-Perry, for that matter?

It’s simple. Milo’s article described the alt-right as a non-racist movement. Neither Perry nor Sharpton have ever described the alt-right as anything but a racist movement.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 12:20 AM
Comment #412291
Your exaggerations of the time frame and the facts are wrong, an unjustified attack on the left to excuse the actions of the right. I would consider this a type of racist enabling at the very least.

I’m not excusing anything.

Are you saying the Democratic party didn’t turn to identity politics? Are you saying the left hasn’t used race as a motivator for the last 50 years?

It’s weird how you can take a comment directed at the left and use it to attack the right. I’m not enabling racism. I’m pointing out what I believe is a core problem. The problem of using race as a weapon to initiate and promote a political agenda.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 16, 2017 12:22 AM
Comment #412295
Are you saying the Democratic party didn’t turn to identity politics

Advocating for equality under the law is NOT “identity politics”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 11:52 AM
Comment #412299

Warped, Equality??? How many times has Al showed up when a white kid is killed by a black or a black cop kills a white person? Does MHP spend as much time on black on white crime as much as she does on white on black even if the white on black is justified?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 16, 2017 1:14 PM
Comment #412301
I’m pointing out what I believe is a core problem. The problem of using race as a weapon to initiate and promote a political agenda.

Blinded in one eye and can’t see out of the other eye Weary? According to you the core problem is trying to right the wrong that is the problem? This is why your argument is …. well… just so dysfunctional, the premise on which your argument is based is wrong. That explains why we have all this hot air escaping from the logic balloon that is your attempt to justify the racist actions and words by blaming the victim.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 16, 2017 1:19 PM
Comment #412303

WW,
Whites do not suffer disproportionately as the targets of police brutality. If they did, the Left would kick and scream just like they do today for Black Lives.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 2:42 PM
Comment #412304

“The true racism that goes on in this country and in our media is using race as a vehicle to determine law and promote political views.”

Brilliantly and succiently stated Weary. Thanks.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 16, 2017 2:52 PM
Comment #412309

Mea culpa. Comment #412303 should have been addressed to KAP.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 3:38 PM
Comment #412314

Warped, White on Black even if justified is given far more press then Black on white. Ferguson is a good example how many days was that story kept alive if it were a Black cop killing a White thug probably would have got 30 seconds.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 16, 2017 5:03 PM
Comment #412315

It seems clear to me the reasons conservatives have such a hard time with racism is they demonstrate a false sense of misunderstanding the issue. I would like to believe they are just slow but we know better. This reframing of the argument is intentional. IMHO they know their argument is false by resorting to such manipulations. They discard factual information grasping at straw man attacks.

No you are the racist because you use race for political gain is their claim. Therefore we aren’t racist. This is the essence of their argument. How many truths have to go by the wayside to get to this level of duplicity

How can such a lack of ethical and moral behavior by conservatives lead us to a greater nation?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 16, 2017 5:15 PM
Comment #412316

Perhaps j2t2 can give us a better term for those who “use race for political gain.”

It appears that some believe that a racist act can only be negative.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 16, 2017 5:28 PM
Comment #412317
White on Black even if justified is given far more press then Black on white. Ferguson is a good example how many days was that story kept alive if it were a Black cop killing a White thug probably would have got 30 seconds.

None of these killings happen in a vacuum. The reality is that black people are disproportionately mistreated by law enforcement. So, when law enforcement kills an unarmed black person, the community is not going to take that lightly.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 6:38 PM
Comment #412318

Do liberals recognize rational and irrational forms of discrimination? Is all discrimination racist?

Here’s an article that may cause some to think more deeply about discrimination and racism.

http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Dwyer/In_Defense_of_Discrimination.shtml

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 16, 2017 6:57 PM
Comment #412319

So, when law enforcement kills an unarmed black person, the community is not going to take that lightly.
Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 6:38 PM

Very confusing comment Warren. Are you implying that the killing an unarmed “white” person would not be taken seriously by the entire community?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 16, 2017 7:04 PM
Comment #412320

Congressman John Lewis (D-GA) sadly is a hero turned political hack. Apparently yearning for attention, he has denounced Trump’s election as illegitimate.

“Lewis also uses his iconic stature to deflect criticism when he is called out for these false attacks, exploiting — and, arguably, demeaning — the civil rights movement.

Here are five of the worst recent examples of what has become, for Rep. Lewis, a shamefully routine practice.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/15/john-lewis-false-racism-hero-partisan/

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 16, 2017 7:26 PM
Comment #412321

RF,

I think everyone recognizes that the police make mistakes. The killing of an unarmed white person, while certainly a tragedy for everyone involved, does not bespeak a wider trend of racial discrimination. Obviously, this changes if unarmed white men become victims at a disproportionate rate, but that is not the case.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 8:07 PM
Comment #412322

I was just going through the timeline of this Lewis fiasco. Lewis starts the whole ball rolling by saying Trump is “an illegitimate president”. Pretty strong words considering the results aren’t being questioned by the responsible authority. Trump, being Trump, replies by reminding people what a poor job Lewis is doing as a congressman for Georgia’s 5th district. Atlanta sits dead center of Lewis’ 5th district and it is ranked 2 on a scale of 100 for the safest cities. It ranks 2 out of 100! Crime in Atlanta is 3 times as high as the overall state! Trump replied with a legitimate issue.

But how did the media react? CBS headline reads:

Trump blasts civil rights leader in Twitter Attack

The story goes on to say how dare Trump attack this civil rights icon two days before the Martin Luther King celebrations. The bias of the CBS author doesn’t even allow an accurate timeline of the events. They make it appear Lewis is responding to Trump’s attack when he said Trump is an illegitimate president. Then there are many instances of twitter posts claiming Lewis doesn’t deserve to be treated like this because of his involvement in the 60’s.

NBC at least got the timeline correct but they still framed the issue around race and Lewis’ part in the 60’s protests.

In both instances Trump’s challenge to Lewis was trivialized using race and past racism. The entire dialog is about Lewis being attacked by a racist Trump, when in fact Trump’s reply was not only relevant but if heeded would benefit the people of Lewis’ district.

Both CBS and NBC chose to make Lewis the hero and Trump the racist. The media have used race to attack those who challenge Democratics for decades. The media have no problem recognizing a situation where race can be used as a weapon to protect or promote a Democratic. CBS and NBC’s description of this episode between Lewis and Trump is an obvious attempt to do just that.


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 16, 2017 8:17 PM
Comment #412323
Trump replied with a legitimate issue.

Atlanta is thriving and the crime rate has dropped dramatically ever since John Lewis became its representative. It’s not a legitimate issue.

they still framed the issue around race

Trump is the one who framed this around race, not the media. He incorrectly assumed Lewis’ district was crime infested even though it’s not.

when in fact Trump’s reply was not only relevant but if heeded would benefit the people of Lewis’ district.
This could not be further from he truth. Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 8:39 PM
Comment #412324

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Atlanta-Georgia.html

Dropping, yes. But it’s still three times higher than the national average. I’ll stick with the 2 out of 100 assessment.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 16, 2017 9:05 PM
Comment #412325

Warped, As far as Lewis and the 30 other Democrat cry babies goes, yes Lewis did much for the civil rights movement but is he now doing any good to unify the country or is he hurting his cause. Do you think MLK would approve of his and his cohorts actions now? As far as law enforcement and Blacks yes there are some bad eggs in the law enforcement field but black are no more disproportionately treated then any other group. But they do receive the most air time when a cop justifiably or not either kills or hurts them.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 16, 2017 9:16 PM
Comment #412326
he now doing any good to unify the country or is he hurting his cause. Do you think MLK would approve of his and his cohorts actions now

In November 1967, Martin Luther King spoke to the National Labor Leadership Assembly for Peace:

And I made it very clear that I recognized that justice was indivisible. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. And then there are those who said ‘You’re hurting the civil right movement.’ One spoke to me one day and said, ‘Now Dr. King, don’t you think you’re going to have to agree more with the Administration’s policy. I understand that your position on Vietnam has hurt the budget of your organization. And many people who respected you in civil rights have lost that respect and don’t you think that you’re going to have to agree more with the Administration’s policy to regain this.’ And I had to answer by looking that person into the eye, and say ‘I’m sorry sir but you don’t know me. I’m not a consensus leader.’ [Laughter - Applause] I do not determine what is right and wrong by looking at the budget of my organization or by taking a Gallup poll of the majority opinion. Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus. [Applause]

John Lewis is following MLK’s prescription precisely. Rather than searching for consensus he molds it. MLK’s opposition to the Vietnam War was a divisive stance for him to take, but it was a position he took because he would not violate sacred principles for the sake of “unity”.


black are no more disproportionately (mis)treated then any other group

Actually, they are. Despite making up just 13% of the US population, Black Americans account for 24% of those fatally shot and killed by the police.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 9:31 PM
Comment #412327

See how we’re talking about race in general now instead of what Lewis said, and why he said it? Do you notice we’re not talking about Trumps suggestion? We’re talking about things we’ll never agree on because we can’t begin to get to the details of what we’re using as argument.

How does focusing on the history of one guy and slandering another solve the problem of crime in Atlanta? In other words, why is protecting a Democratic more important that the property that gets destroyed by crime in Atlanta?

Why is someone’s past a defense from criticism?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 16, 2017 9:48 PM
Comment #412328

WW,

solve the problem of crime in Atlanta
Crime is not a problem in Atlanta. It is at its lowest point in decades. It is not realistic to expect every municipality to bring its crime rate down to the national average; as C&J love to point out, by definition half of the United States experiences above-average crime rates.

The decision to erroneously slander the reputation of a good city with an outdated stereotype in order to deflect from very serious questions regarding last year’s election is a quite despicable move on the part of our President-Elect.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 10:06 PM
Comment #412329

Warped, Opposition to war and calling a President elect illegitimate are 2 different things. I opposed the invasion of Iraq but I didn’t call Bush illegitimate. The same with Viet Nam which I fought in 2 different times, I didn’t like it but I didn’t call Johnson or Nixon illegitimate. Lewis has his right to oppose Trump on Policy but to call him illegitimate is disgraceful and I agree Trump’s feed back was inappropriate. This wasn’t the first time Lewis call a President illegitimate he did the same to Bush. All it showed me was both time Lewis called Bush and Trump illegitimate was that he was a sore loser and acting in a childish manner along with the 30 other Democrats that are following his example.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 16, 2017 10:06 PM
Comment #412330

Warren Porter, you’ve given up! You would rather have crime than recognize crime is a problem. At least Trump is pointing out the problem, not excusing it and ignoring it.

You criticize police and blame a 24% figure on police and you ignore a crime rate 3 times as high as the national average.

Now you say the national average is just a number and no guage because half the country is higher?!

That’s the sound of apathy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 16, 2017 11:13 PM
Comment #412331
This wasn’t the first time Lewis call a President illegitimate he did the same to Bush
So, there is nothing unique about this particular episode. Anytime a President wins the Electoral College without winning a plurality of the popular vote, there will be hard feelings. An accusation of illegitimacy is a natural consequence. With Trump, this is even more likely given the questions that have been raised regarding Russian interference with the electoral process and Trump’s connections to the Kremlin. Not to mention the intense racial hatred emanating from the portion of Trump’s supporters hailing from the alt-right.

Personally, I am not going to call a President illegitimate until after all the facts are in. While there is plenty of smoke regarding connections between Trump and Russia, it certainly is not yet time to yell, “FIRE!”. I await the results of investigations by Congress and our intelligence agencies.

Opposition to war and calling a President elect illegitimate are 2 different things.

Pay more attention to the first sentence of the previous quotation:

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere

John Lewis clearly believes Donald Trump embodies the very injustice that Martin Luther King dedicated his life to campaign against. For him to sit quiet and gently nod and affirm Trump’s legitimacy would be a profoundly hypocritical act.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 16, 2017 11:25 PM
Comment #412333
Perhaps j2t2 can give us a better term for those who “use race for political gain.”

Sure Royal…. Conservative comes to mind.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 17, 2017 9:12 AM
Comment #412334

Warped, Where was there injustice in Trump winning 30 of 50 states and the electoral vote? Lewis and the 30 other cry baby democrats are, IMO and others, I would say the same, are acting like little children who didn’t get their way. Lewis and the rest of the democrats who are acting like spoiled brats are only HURTING your liberal/progressive agenda. People are watching their actions and in the mid terms liberals just might loose more seats. Like Obama said “I have a pen and a phone” the same goes for Trump. Like I said I did not vote for Trump or Hillary but I am willing to give Trump a chance for the 1st 100 days. After that if things don’t get better I’ll bash him like I did Obama.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 17, 2017 10:42 AM
Comment #412336
Where was there injustice in Trump winning 30 of 50 states and the electoral vote?

John Lewis believes Russian interference in the election resulted in an unjust outcome. John Lewis believes Trump’s courting of racists’ votes resulted in an unjust outcome. Now, I don’t entirely agree with John Lewis, so if you are going to dispute these points then you are going to have to take that up with him. I am not going to argue these points.

Regardless, I am going to give Donald Trump the same chance to succeed that I gave Obama. Still, I am troubled about many things as we head towards inauguration day. Russia seems to be wielding way too much influence over the 45th President and his history of corruption makes me skeptical that he will refuse to accept emoluments from foreign powers. But I will wait and see. Perhaps I will be surprised.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 12:30 PM
Comment #412337

Warped, A saying goes “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer” I don’t know what Trump has planned with Russia but we both may be surprised.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 17, 2017 12:54 PM
Comment #412338
A saying goes “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”

I fear this is exactly what Putin is doing. I still pray that my premonitions are wrong. Hopefully, we are all surprised.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 1:08 PM
Comment #412340

Warped, BOTH Trump and Putin!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 17, 2017 1:27 PM
Comment #412341
A saying goes “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer” I don’t know what Trump has planned with Russia but we both may be surprised.

I would suspect that you are giving Trump credit for more wisdom than he has displayed so far in his life. Blind loyalty KAP should be earned not bestowed upon a leader. IMHO Putin will have out thought Trump on every level and at every turn.

SO how long does Trump get this free ride from you KAP?

Posted by: j2t2 at January 17, 2017 2:32 PM
Comment #412342

Thanks Warren for the MLK quote…”Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.”

I agree and this is exactly why so many believe Trump will be a president who can make a difference for the better in the lives of all Americans.

I believe Trump will do more good for race relations in four years than Obama did in eight. I believe Trump will make great humanitarian advances in our inner cities. I believe justice for every American will thrive during Trump’s administration.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 2:54 PM
Comment #412344

Are we to conclude, by the number of Democrats who have declared they are boycotting the inauguration of Donald Trump as President of the United States, that they are thumbing their nose at the procedure outlined in the Constitution for the election and installment of a president?

Are the opinions of these Democrat legislators relevant to America? Are these Democrats ashamed of our Constitution and the government it authorizes?

Do these Democrats set a good example for the nation on citizenship?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 3:04 PM
Comment #412345

Lest we forget…
Trump ran in 2012 promoting Birtherism. He questioned the legitimacy of a black president based on conspiracy theories. It was, at its heart, racist.

So no. Trump will never have my support, just on that basis alone. And the idea that he will improve race relations by calling for Mexicans criminals and rapists, and retweeting Neo-Nazi propaganda about blacks murdering whites, and calling for a ban on all Muslim immigrants, not to mention the plethora of horrible things he has said about women…

No. Absolutely not. He does NOT have my support, and I thoroughly approve of boycotting the inauguration. There is no better demonstration of the responsibilities of citizenship than standing up for our rights against a racist, bigoted, misogynistic bully.

And I don’t care if Putin defends Trump. The answer is no.

Posted by: phx8 at January 17, 2017 3:33 PM
Comment #412346

I heap praise upon Donald Trump for what he believes about making our country great again. Can anyone imagine having a President who advocates a reduction of his power?

President Trump will work to give back to congress many of the constitutional powers they have relinquished to the executive branch.

I ask my fellow bloggers…do you honestly believe that Hillary Clinton, as president, would work to bring the executive powers back in line with the Constitution which established it?

The following quote of Trump is indicative of his intentions for our country and its citizens.

“The United States of America is a land of laws, and Americans value the rule of law above all. Why, then, has our Congress allowed the president and the executive branch to take on near-dictatorial power?

What is needed in Washington is a president who will rein in the executive branch and work with congress to make sure the legislative branch does it job.”

http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2016/01/07/trump-nevada-us-need-president-who-obeys-rule-law/78422530/

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 3:48 PM
Comment #412347

j2t2, Not blind loyalty I don’t know what he is up to but if the quote fits then we shall see after Jan. 20th now won’t we.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 17, 2017 3:58 PM
Comment #412348
this is exactly why so many believe Trump will be a president who can make a difference for the better in the lives of all Americans.

We’ll have to check back in a few years and see if Trump is able to forge a new consensus around fecklessness, corruption, injustice and weakness.

Lest we forget… Trump ran in 2012 promoting Birtherism. He questioned the legitimacy of a black president based on conspiracy theories. It was, at its heart, racist.

So no. Trump will never have my support, just on that basis alone. And the idea that he will improve race relations by calling for Mexicans criminals and rapists, and retweeting Neo-Nazi propaganda about blacks murdering whites, and calling for a ban on all Muslim immigrants, not to mention the plethora of horrible things he has said about women…

No. Absolutely not. He does NOT have my support, and I thoroughly approve of boycotting the inauguration. There is no better demonstration of the responsibilities of citizenship than standing up for our rights against a racist, bigoted, misogynistic bully.

I am not counting Trump out yet. The guy is a mystery box; nobody knows what is inside. Will racist rhetoric lead to racist policies? Probably, but I am not going to eliminate the chance that those words were just a tool of the campaign.

We all know that Trump is hardly a “true conservative” and his desire to win Republican votes lead to occasional cartoon positions on certain issues (witness his interview with Chris Matthews from last year where he proposed punishing women for having abortions). Twenty years ago, he told Tim Russert that he supported Democrats because the economy did better under their Presidencies and that he was “very” pro-choice. Exploring a bid for President as part of the Reform Party, Trump condemned Pat Buchanan’s paleoconservativism and publicly abandoned the party when it attracted the likes of David Duke.

Ultimately, it is obvious to all that he is a very insecure person always eager to please the people who surround him. Right now, Republicans may have his ear, but when Democrats take control of Congress in 2018, things will be different. Unlike Cruz, Rubio or even Kasich, Trump has no ideological opposition toward cutting a deal with Democrats. I think he is someone we can work with if we prod him the proper way. Granted, this is also very disturbing because the same insecurity that gives Democrats an opportunity for puppetry also gives avenues to Vladimir Putin and other hostile foes as well.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 4:31 PM
Comment #412349

WP,
When someone tells you who they are the first time, believe them.

With Trump, the only thing he wants to do is talk about himself. He is profoundly narcissistic. There was a time when liberals accused Bush #43 of being a narcissist, and conservatives accused Obama of the same, but there is a difference between them and Trump. In psychology, it is defined as an “extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one’s own talents and a craving for admiration…” The point is that Trump does not particularly care about ideology. He does not read. He gets his news from FOX and right wing/alt right web sites. He does not give the impression of ever having thought about anything very deeply.

He just gave an interview with a bizarre, yet revealing insight into his nature:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/17/donald-trump-was-asked-to-name-one-of-his-heroes-his-answer-was-very-very-strange/?utm_term=.dca0b402883b

Again and again, Trump has demonstrated little knowledge of law or the Constitution, except as the law pertains to his ability to sue somebody. We have already seen him wish he could sue the media. Whether it is freedom of the press, or freedom of religion, Trump simply does not care.

His cabinet reflects a world of FOX news contributors, millionaire and billionaire campaign contributors, and five-count ‘em, five- people from Goldman Sachs, along with American Talibanists like Pence… How bad is it when Pence looks like the sane one?

Trump might work both sides of the aisle on issues; then again, he may end up like the 10th president, Tyler, and be widely ignored by both sides.

But right now, I’m going to believe my eyes.

Posted by: phx8 at January 17, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #412350

How dull and repetitive are your comments directly above Warren. I often wonder why my Liberal Pals never expand their thinking beyond what is being fed to them by their mentors and puppeteers.

Democrats have been consistent losers in elections all over our nation for many years. Warren and his ilk don’t even wonder why. They attribute their political losses to events and happenings beyond their control, as if it were an Act of God.

Just imagine how insignificant is the brainpower required to mount a protest against Trump by pretending he isn’t going to be president because they don’t attend his inauguration.

Unfortunately for my Liberal/Socialist Pals, the electorate has awakened in America. There is a growing realization that we, the people, do have power and can affect and determine our future. The political class and their chattering media enablers are being recognized as the predators they truly are. No longer will they control us with words that have become meaningless like “racist” and worthless platitudes such as “black lives matter”.

We are Americans citizens, not those here illegally, not those shouting instructions from distant lands, not those who march in our streets to chants of “kill” and “destroy”, and not those who believe individual freedom comes from government beneficence.

We love our country and expect the same from those we elect to represent us. We belong to no party. We belong to the principles contained in our Founding Documents and iterated by the men who risked all to bring us unparalleled freedom.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 5:22 PM
Comment #412351

phx8 must be ill today as his venom-filled, and fact challenged diatribe on Mr. Trump is unusually mellow.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 5:36 PM
Comment #412352
When someone tells you who they are the first time, believe them.

And when is the first time? We’ve all known Trump long before his Presidential campaign and long before his birther hysteria.

He is profoundly narcissistic.
Hate it as much as we can, there is nothing in our laws or Constitution forbidding a narcissist from being President. Narcissism is a reason to oppose and disapprove, but it is not a reason to delegitimize. Same goes for his incurious nature and addiction to right-wing media.
Democrats have been consistent losers in elections all over our nation for many years. Warren and his ilk don’t even wonder why. They attribute their political losses to events and happenings beyond their control, as if it were an Act of God.
Last time I checked, Hillary Clinton earned nearly 3 million more votes than Donald Trump last November. Geographical quirks delivered the Presidency to Trump, but I wouldn’t bet on lightning striking twice in this occasion. Democrats are going to win big in 2018 & 2020.
the electorate has awakened in America
It certainly has, just not in the way you imagine. Look at how high Barack Obama’s approval ratings have gone. Look at how many people are taking the time to contact their Republican representatives to bid them to not abandon the ACA’s lofty goals including universal coverage.
There is a growing realization that we, the people, do have power and can affect and determine our future. The political class and their chattering media enablers are being recognized as the predators they truly are. No longer will they control us with words that have become meaningless like “racist” and worthless platitudes such as “black lives matter”.

We are Americans citizens, not those here illegally, not those shouting instructions from distant lands, not those who march in our streets to chants of “kill” and “destroy”, and not those who believe individual freedom comes from government beneficence.

We love our country and expect the same from those we elect to represent us. We belong to no party.We belong to the principles contained in our Founding Documents and iterated by the men who risked all to bring us unparalleled freedom.

Have fun sh*tting on our country’s heritage, but please spare me the hypocritical invocation of documents of ideals that you completely abandoned.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 5:52 PM
Comment #412353

It seems, I’m not doing a good job with my HTML today. Sorry about the torrent of blockquotes.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 5:54 PM
Comment #412354

Sorry you’re having problems with your posting Warren.

Your last comment is simply too boring to bother with.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 6:02 PM
Comment #412355

Today, I read an excellent essay by Christopher Robichaud. In it, he explores Hannah Arendt’s Truth and Politics published 50 years ago. In her piece, Arendt makes a brilliant observation:

Seen from the viewpoint of politics, truth has a despotic character.

She notes that unlike an opinion, which can be argued with and disputed, truth leaves no such freedom. There can be no dissension from 2+2=4. Truth ultimately coerces and abrogates freedom. A man can hardly believe 2+2=5 without feeling profound duress from his peers.

Over the past few years, advances in technology have made it far easier for nonwhite Americans to share the true state of their lives. Looking at the unjust treatment of unarmed African-American men by law enforcement as it has been captured in video, White America has found itself confronted with the fact that racism and injustice are still common in our nation. Unfortunately, like any truth, there is a kernel of despotism. The facts have made opinions of many Americans regarding race relations untenable.

The reaction has been to construct a mirage. In a world where “racist” is a meaningless word and “Black Lives Matter” is a mere platitude, the rightist mind can continue to believe the lies it told itself eons ago. The false security of an imagination covers the intensely uncomfortable cognitive dissonance that has wrecked conservative minds for a while. I can understand why the Trump’s supporters have so much fervor. For them, the truth hurts way too much. Retreat into the wasteland of lies and fantasy preserves the mind’s freedom from control.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 6:44 PM
Comment #412356

Thank you Warren. Your latest post is much more interesting even if flawed.

The word “racist” has become meaningless when millions of people are declared to be that simply because of their political affiliation or disagreement with loony liberals. I elaborated above the association between “racism” and “hatred”, both expressing degrees of opinion, both legal.

I am reminded of Hillary’s outburst regarding the “deplorable” comment accusing half of Trump supporters as being people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic. She offered no proof, and my Leftie Pals required none, to repeat her untruthful, unverifiable, and outrageous utterance.

Those who repeat the platitude “Black Lives Matter” are generally simple dupes too beguiled with political correctness to understand the deeper meaning of those who wrote it. For some, slogans become causes, and causes become justification for all kinds of misdeeds and violence.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 7:23 PM
Comment #412357
millions of people are declared to be that simply because of their political affiliation or disagreement with loony liberals

That’s quite a claim on which to premise your argument. As I discussed earlier with WW, at no time have millions of people been declared racist simply because of political affiliation or disagreement with liberals.

She offered no proof, and my Leftie Pals required none, to repeat her untruthful, unverifiable, and outrageous utterance.

The proof and evidence of deplorable ideas within the alt-right has been provided to you ad infinitum. Richard Spencer and his followers have injected some very dangerous ideas into American politics. Simply buying your head into the sand does not negate the truth.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 7:35 PM
Comment #412358

Warren, do you actually understand what you write? Hillary aimed her “deplorable” comment at “half” of Trump supporters. That would be in the tens of millions of citizens.

And you, Warren, know for a fact, that millions of Americans are racist? Do you really want to defend that?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 17, 2017 7:45 PM
Comment #412359

the rightist mind can continue to believe the lies it told itself eons ago

What lies? You’re saying that like, “The right is wrong, because they’re always wrong!”.

What lies have conservatives told themselves so long ago that place us all as incompetent in your mind?

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 17, 2017 8:03 PM
Comment #412360
Hillary aimed her “deplorable” comment at “half”

Hillary apologized and said she meant to say a much lower proportion than half.

What lies have conservatives told themselves so long ago that place us all as incompetent in your mind?
In this particular context, the false belief of which I speak is the sense that racial discrimination targeting whites is more common or more severe than racial discrimination targeting people of color. Posted by: Warren Porter at January 17, 2017 8:17 PM
Comment #412363

I guess you missed it when they said only white people can be racists.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 18, 2017 3:26 PM
Comment #412364

Warren, have you been keeping score on racial discrimination in order to state beliefs with the same confidence as factual information?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 18, 2017 3:36 PM
Comment #412370

WW,

Nobody has ever said that only White people are capable of racial discrimination.

RF,
Personally, I have not. But experts who I trust have.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 18, 2017 5:30 PM
Comment #412373

Warren, can you share the scoring system used by the “experts” you refer to in your description of measuring “severity” of racial discrimination.

Are Roman Numerals, Letters, or simple numbers used in the scoring system? Is it similar to the scoring used at Olympic events? Can you provide examples of the scoring?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 18, 2017 5:50 PM
Comment #412376

Thanks for the link on racism Weary. Political pandering by any name is repulsive.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 18, 2017 6:21 PM
Comment #412387

RF,

If you want to learn more about the methodologies used to measure racial discrimination, read this book.

WW,

You seem to have confused racial discrimination with institutional racism. While they are related, they are distinct phenomenon. Racial discrimination is certainly a component of institutional racism, it isn’t the whole story. Institutional racism requires that the in-group wield power over the outgroup. The common adage is Power + Prejudice = Institutional Racism.

In Zimbabwe, it is very easy to see that the Black population wields much power through Robert Mugabe’s brutal autocracy. But there are very few domains in the United States where a similar arrangement exists. Generally speaking, nearly all of our institutions have whites in the prominent positions of power.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 19, 2017 10:28 AM
Comment #412389

How are we supposed to solve problems when the goalposts keep moving?

These people aren’t racist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy


Posted by: Weary Willie at January 19, 2017 10:54 AM
Comment #412390

‘Whites suffer more racism than blacks’: Study shows white American people believe they are more discriminated against

Whites believed that discrimination against them had increased from an average of 1.8 in the 1950s to 4.7 in the 2000s.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 19, 2017 10:54 AM
Comment #412392

WW,

Black Supremacist groups exhibit racial prejudice and racial discrimination. That is racism. However, unless they gain the power to actually enforce their wrongheaded ideology, one cannot claim that there is widespread institutional racism against white Americans.

As for the Daily Main Article, you can do better than that. Show me the original academic study published in Perspectives on Psychological Science and we can talk. I am not going to do your work and chase down the citation for you. In the meantime, I will simply restate what I wrote before:

In this particular context, the false belief of which I speak is the sense that racial discrimination targeting whites is more common or more severe than racial discrimination targeting people of color.

Showing me that certain white people believe that “racial discrimination targeting whites is more common or more severe than racial discrimination targeting people of color.” only further bolsters my point in light of the ample objective evidence that discrimination against Black people is either more common or more severe.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 19, 2017 11:50 AM
Comment #412400

Thanks for the link to the book MEASURING RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. Can we assume Warren, that you have read and digested all 340 pages thus enabling you to claim expert second-hand knowledge?

I read a few sections and was particularly interested in profiling. The authors found that the data used could be easily corrupted by false reporting and incorrect assumptions. Sounds a little like the models used for MMGW.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 19, 2017 1:56 PM
Post a comment