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President Obama's Legacy

Thinking back on President Obama’s accomplishments, I know of none that are noteworthy

His legacy is no legacy.

Note the difference between the Trump admin and the Obama admin. Trump has vision and goals and you can see that being pursued thru his selections to his cabinet. Obama put in place a bunch of political hacks and good time back slappers. His vision was to get us out of the war and implement a government mandated healthcare plan.

This time it's not impossible to believe that with the selection of Ben Carson and the education lady the poor communities in some large cities will see some improvement in their education and employment opportunities.

Warms my cockels (?) that that Rex the oil baron is retiring to give his all in supporting Trump..

Jeff Sessions and Trump can rip up these sanctuary cities and bring law and order to some large cities with enforcement problems like Chicago.

We will get a wall, we will get control of immigration.

Seeing the house get smacked for attempting to weaken an ethics law as their first order of business. Just too, too good.

Run Trump Run . . .

Posted by Roy Ellis at January 6, 2017 12:53 PM
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At least one idyllic dreamer is in for a very rude awakening in the upcoming two years. I would not pollute a discussion of Obama’s legacy with speculation regarding what Trump may or may not do. I remember my dreams from eight years ago. Obama has done a good job, but he didn’t accomplish everything I thought he would do.

Regardless, Obama has been a very consequential President. Like it or hate it, the PPACA has totally upended how healthcare is administered in this country. We are not going to return to the pre-Obama status quo. Already, Republicans are learning that repealing Obamacare without enraging the American electorate is much harder than they thought. So much of the criticism of the law was based on nonsense and so many of the benefits are quite real even if they don’t receive mention as often.

In similar veins, Obama has brought a fresh perspective to American foreign policy. We cooperate and collaborate with our European allies instead of bullying them around. We’ve reopened relations with Cuba and Myanmar and we’ve pivoted our geostrategy away from the Middle East and towards East Asia.

Obama successfully parlayed a weak hand with Iran into the JCPOA, which promises to keep Iran free of nuclear weapons for the foreseeable future. Likewise, Obama successfully negotiated the Paris Climate Pacts with the nations of the world in December 2015. While the commitments are non-binding (a key innovation), fidelity to those promises puts us on the path to preventing the climate from becoming any warmer than predicted by the IPCC’s RCP 4.5 scenario.

Lastly, I think Obama’s most profound legacy is the work he did to reduce White privilege in this country. Today, little boys and girls of all colors have a profound role model they can look up to. Obama is a man who can inspire and he is a man who can break barriers. American racial minorities will take pride in Obama’s presidency for a very long time.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 6, 2017 5:23 PM
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Obama gave a speech praising himself and our Leftie Pals swallowed the BS hook, line, and sTinker.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 6, 2017 5:28 PM
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By objective, statistical standards, the Obama administration has turned in one of the most successful economic performances in American history. Arguably, it was the best performance of any administration.

He entered office with the economy in free fall, housing prices plunging, jobs disappearing at the rate of hundreds of thousands per month, the stock market crashing, people’s 401k’s cut in half, and bankruptcies facing the country in sector after sector. The investment banking sector cratered so badly, it nearly disappeared, with the notable exception of Goldman Sachs. We almost lost GM. State governments saw their deficits and debts skyrocket.

Today, we have seen one of the longest recoveries in American history. The Obama administration set an all-time record for consecutive months adding jobs to the private sector, 75 months. Interest rates stayed low while inflation was negligible. In the latest unemployment report, the unemployment rate was 4.7%, which is considered full employment. The economy added over 150,000 jobs, almost all of them in the private sector. Wages increased faster than inflation, and for the past year, median wages increased the most in several decades. Housing prices recovered, 401k prices recovered, and the stock market enjoyed one of the longest, biggest bull markets in American history. GM was saved and the financial sector recovered.

The Dodd-Frank regulations and the Consumer Financial Protection Board were also significant achievements. Thanks to the CFPB, fraudulent and criminal practices were reigned in.

Meanwhile, the federal deficit was cut by 2/3, the largest reduction in American history. State economies recovered too, with the notable exception of states like Kansas, which implemented a conservative agenda of tax cuts and cratered.

Oh, and Osama bin Laden is dead.

And it is rarely mentioned, but the Obama administration was one of the most honest, least corrupt administrations in history. That is something we have come to take for granted. I suspect that will soon change.

Posted by: phx8 at January 6, 2017 6:27 PM
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Warren and ph, if you don’t judge Trump any harsher than you do Obama you should get along great with the Trump admin.

Posted by: roy ellis at January 6, 2017 9:10 PM
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I have high hopes for the next administration. At no time since WWII has the White House changed hands with a stronger economy. Obama has dealt Trump the best hand possible, so my expectations are high.

However, if Trump ignores what he has been dealt and picks needless fights with Americans instead, the honeymoon will be short lived. Neither burning $10 billion on a useless wall, now hiking tariffs to raise prices for Americans living paycheck to paycheck will bring Trump the glory he seeks. Likewise, ballooning the deficit to $1 Trillion outside of war or recession will not earn my praise.

Ultimately, it is up to Trump to decide. Does he want to be a build upon Obama’s foundation and become a great President? Or does he prefer to cater to the special interests and business associates who put their own petty grievances over the prosperity of the nation.

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 7, 2017 3:45 AM
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Wow Roy written like a true misinformation voter, we expect nothing less. Facts be damned, Zeig Heil.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 7, 2017 10:11 AM
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“At no time since WWII has the White House changed hands with a stronger economy.”

Good point.

The link also makes a good point. Trump supporters like Roy are not necessarily uninformed. They are misinformed. We see that all the time even on WB. It raises many questions.

What will Trump believe about economic statistics? If the ones during the administration were all faked, what about statistics during the Trump administration? If his administration is in charge of the data, does that mean it will become reliable? If all the numbers stay the same, what will Trump supporters conclude?

It is hard to know how this will turn out. We are dealing with deluded, misinformed people. If Trump and conservatives are in charge and things go to go well, I suppose they will take the credit, and if it goes badly, they will blame Democrats. It will require a lot of magical thinking.

We saw a pretty good example of that in the other column, where kctim seemed to believe the problem with the OCE was ‘fake news,’ and no amount of factual information would convince him otherwise.

We see another example with Roy’s article. He seems to be so thoroughly insulated in a bubble that he actually believes nothing good happened under the Obama administration.

Posted by: phx8 at January 7, 2017 11:49 AM
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I see the left is marching in lockstep again.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 7, 2017 1:00 PM
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Is that anything like the goose step I am priveledged to observe from time to time and emanating from RNK?

Posted by: tom humes at January 7, 2017 2:58 PM
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“I suppose they will take the credit, and if it goes badly, they will blame Democrats.”

I can promise phx8 and his Leftie pals that Trump will not blame BUSH.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2017 2:59 PM
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Here’s a good laugh for my Buddies.

Let’s celebrate January 20th as the END OF AN ERROR.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2017 3:07 PM
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I am too lazy to respond to phx8’s “litany of love” for everything Obama he posted above.

I will simply remind my Leftie Pal of some major Obama failings.

“Insurers are sending cancellation notices to some of the 12 million Americans whose individual policies don’t meet Obamacare requirements for more comprehensive care.
Obama got into trouble for repeatedly saying over the years that Americans could keep their plans if they liked them under Obamacare. That proved untrue in a number of cases, prompting a political uproar in Washington and further unnerving Democrats already rattled by the website failure.
In an exclusive interview with NBC News on Thursday, Obama acknowledged the difficulty facing those whose policies purchased individually were being canceled due to Obamacare.
“It’s scary to them. And I am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me,” he said.
He also acknowledged that “we didn’t do a good enough job in terms of how we crafted the law,” which is something that “I regret.”

President Obama’s opening remarks at the Paris climate agreement were effectively an apology for industrial progress. At the kickoff of the talks, Obama remarked, “I’ve come here personally, as the leader of the world’s largest economy and the second-largest emitter, to say that the United States of America not only recognizes our role in creating this problem; we embrace our responsibility to do something about it.”

Obama should not be apologizing for the economic growth that dramatically improved Americans’ and much of the world’s quality of life.

And, where is Obama’s apology for knowing about computer hacking by many bad actors but not doing a damn thing about it until now?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2017 3:40 PM
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Here is the link to the report released Friday:

This is the public, unclassified version. The classified one is twice as long. Here is the money quote:

“We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.”

The Russians, our adversaries, preferred Trump. They took extraordinary steps to promote him, and prevent her from winning. There is a lot more about why an adversary did not want to see HRC win, and why they wanted Trump to win.

The report also talks about the relationship between Russia Today (RT), a Russian propaganda outlet, and Wikileaks.

Interesting read.

Obama and many others wanted to release the information on the hacks and Russian influence before the election. Senator McConnell opposed it. Obama respected his opposition. I think that was a mistake. A great deal of information was released prior to the election. Trump knew this. He denied it. His supporters refused to believe it. Some still refuse.

As for insurers sending cancellation notices, you surely know they ended up with better insurance, right? Over 20 million additional people now have insurance, thanks to Obamacare.

Posted by: phx8 at January 7, 2017 4:40 PM
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A short time ago the Left was touting nonsense about Trumps security team.

“Most of all, however, he wanted to push back against suggestions that there were conflicts between the Secret Service and the private security team that’s protected Trump for years. Politico reported last month that Trump’s private team “bristled” at the Secret Service’s desire to take the lead in protecting Trump and in some cases, they had gotten in the way of the agency’s protocols.
“There is no friction at all” with Trump’s private team, insisted Clancy, who said his agency has “sole responsibility” for protecting the President and the first family. He added that there is no overlap between the private team and his agency.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2017 4:53 PM
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“As for insurers sending cancellation notices, you surely know they ended up with better insurance, right?”

LOL…phx8 even disagrees with Obama.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2017 4:55 PM
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Remember linking the plan by Speaker Ryan for the Obamacare replacement? The House Whip, McCarthy, had never heard of it. Seven years and 60 some votes to repeal Obamacare, and conservatives still don’t know how to improve on it. Some GOP Senators are getting queasy at the prospect of destroying health care insurance for over 20 million people. (The estimates range from 20 - 30 million). Some want to keep the Obamacare benefits while repealing the ways to pay for it. That would cause costs to skyrocket and destroy insurance for almost everyone. Fun to watch conservatives squirm.

Isn’t it odd, the way the Trump supporters and Obama haters turn vague when it comes to achievements by Obama. Never anything definite. Specifics can not be addressed. I enumerated quite a few, and I am prepared to back them up with statistics.

Now that we have a Trump administration in charge of all those statistics & government numbers, will the numbers still be dismissed as fake? Will they suddenly change now that Trump is in power? If they stay the same, and consistent between administrations, does that mean they were real and correct after all? This seems like quite a conundrum for conservatives.

And finally, after all those accusations of Obama and Hillary being weak on foreign policy, it turns out an adversary was willing to go to great lengths to see Trump win because Trump was the weak one, and Hillary was feared.

Posted by: phx8 at January 7, 2017 5:08 PM
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Here’s a very interesting article.

Russians Ridicule U.S. Charge That Kremlin Meddled to Help Trump

My answer to phx8’s ? Why would Obama apologize for “better insurance”?

Wearing his old, wrinkled political hat phx8 expresses delight that the Republicans are taking their time to investigate the best way to benefit Americans in dismantling and replacing Obamacare.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 7, 2017 5:20 PM
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Of course Russians ridicule the idea of Putin interfering with the American election. Journalists who do not go along with Putin have a bad habit of turning up dead. Over 20 have been murdered since Putin took power, and almost none of the murders have ever been solved. Every Russian gets the message.

The US works with the Russian Federation when interests overlap, such as the Iranian nonnuclear proliferation deal. However, Putin and the Russian oligarchs are NOT our friends. Those guys are bad news, and the idea that Trump is embracing them is distressing.

Read the report. The Russian fingerprints were all over the hacks and leaks, in addition to several other forms of attack. And Assange is NOT a friend of the US either. That is why statements like these are such a problem: we literally have a POETUS siding with the likes of Putin and Assange, and against Americans who serve in the intelligence community, and have sworn oaths to uphold the Constitution.

Posted by: phx8 at January 7, 2017 10:34 PM
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phx8, please pay more attention. I am not denying the assessment made by our national security people. I do believe they are very politicized however and don’t trust them to be totally truthful.

My questions relate to Obama and our national security people either being inept or uncaring about all the hacking that has come before the recent events.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 8, 2017 2:48 PM
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ph seems to feel about the Trump ascendancy much he way I feel about the liberal and conservative corpocracy, gov’t, media, dnc and so on - - -

It is a bummer to feel like that about your country in general.

But, with Trump coming on strong, I feel like Brer Rabbit hittin it across a grassy slope singing ‘zippity do dah’ and all that - - -

The truth will set you free and biggly is a REAL word = =

Posted by: roy ellis at January 8, 2017 7:42 PM
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“We saw a pretty good example of that in the other column, where kctim seemed to believe the problem with the OCE was ‘fake news,’ and no amount of factual information would convince him otherwise.”

LOL. Your opinion and accompanying hyperbole do not qualify as ‘factual information,’ Phx8.

We were discussing reforming the OCE and if renaming it and no longer allowing anonymous reports, validated the use of exaggerated claims of ‘gutting’ and ‘getting rid of’ ethics panels. The lefts headlines wanted to create the false impression that there would be no ethics over-watch and that was not the case. The headlines were disinformation and meant to mislead. Your definition of ‘fake news.’

The left has a very nasty and dishonest habit of doing this whenever they don’t get their way or when their legislation is threatened. Not only is it sad, it is very cowardly.

Posted by: kctim at January 9, 2017 9:58 AM
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“The proposal would have barred the panel from reviewing any violation of criminal law by members of Congress, requiring that it turn over complaints instead to the House Ethics Committee or refer the matter to an appropriate federal law enforcement agency. The House Ethics Committee would also have the power to stop an investigation at any point and bars the ethics office from making any public statements about any matters or hiring any communications staff.

And the ethics office would no longer be able to accept or investigate any anonymous reports of alleged wrongdoing by members of Congress.”

So, kctim, it was just am atter of no longer allowing anonymous reports.

“The lefts headlines wanted to create the false impression that there would be no ethics over-watch and that was not the case.”

No. There would have been no independent oversight. That was the whole problem. The Ethics Committee without the OCE failed in the past because the party in power refused to investigate itself. That is how we ended up with so many scandals before Pelosi and the Democrats established the independent oversight.

And it was not just “the left” that opposed gutting the OCE. The vote by the House GOP was 119 - 74, which means 74 Republicans opposed the move, including House Speaker Ryan and the Whip, McCarthy.

When the phones lit up and were swamped at the Congressional Offices and every morning news program headlined the move, the GOP quickly rescinded the move.

Posted by: phx8 at January 9, 2017 3:37 PM
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Phx8, glad you are using CNN, that’s the same I was reading. And ‘overwatch’(?) why the heck did I use that instead of oversight? LOL!

Your own cut and paste shows that there would have still been oversight: “turn over complaints instead to the House Ethics Committee or refer the matter to an appropriate federal law enforcement agency”

I can respect that some don’t believe that is sufficient, but that does not merit the hair on fire headlines that they were gutting and getting rid of ethics oversight.

Personally, I see the office as redundant, and I believe people should have the right to face their accuser.

“74 Republicans opposed the move”

Yes, but the left were the ones trying to capitalize on it with the gutting headlines and by trying to blame all Republicans. Seriously, what would have been so wrong with saying a bi-partisan effort stopped the proposal?

Posted by: kctim at January 9, 2017 5:20 PM
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phx8 wrote:

There would have been no independent oversight. That was the whole problem.

kctim wrote:

Your own cut and paste shows that there would have still been oversight.

kctim, malarkey like this diminishes my respect for your writing. Why do you intentionally misrepresent Phx8’s own explicitly written opinion?

Posted by: Warren Porter at January 10, 2017 12:02 AM
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