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Bigger Threat To Election: Putin or MSM


..and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. John 8-32

And, how do we know the truth? Compliments of the Soviet Union.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/12/bias-alert-wikileaks-exposes-medias-secret-support-clinton.html

The people are rightly alarmed that the media is little more than an extension of the DNC. The reason for this has to be that the media needs gov't business to survive. Big money is spent on advertising and political propaganda, mostly during election cycles but, all through the year on a lesser level.

The MSM, especially the newspaper outlets, have not done well since the advent of the digital age, Internet and so - - - several could not survive without political patronage.
Follow the money and you find the dems war chest is way way more than the GOP on a year over year basis. And, why is that? The Clinton Foundation and/or the Clinton Global Initiative takes in millions from foreign donors which filters down to the DNC and political operatives. In this way they are well able to carry the MSM in support of Clinton agendas.

In that sense freedom of the press has been trashed. If this were just an employee of two from a particular organization carrying water for the DNC that wouldn't carry much weight. But, to have the organizations themselves throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Trump, freedom of the press goes out the window and we have fascism by default.

Meanwhile, the dems are doing their best to ignore wiki-leaks and put out propaganda that portrays Putin as a thief. Thief of what we don't know as they won't admit the wiki-leaks leaked emails from Podensa's server are valid. In fact, some talking heads say they have seen emails in the leaked stream that are total fabrication and therefore Putin is manipulating the emails to interfere in the US election.

For example; Dona Brazil, a player in the DNC and a CNN player, says the leaked email which relates that she passed a moderator question from a primary debate to the DNC, is a fictional email. She won't admit the charge and claims her challenger should see these leaked emails as proof that Putin is interfering.

As an aside, wiki-leaks says they have a surprise coming for Dona and Tim Kaine. That should come today or tomorrow..

But, our job on this thread is to determine the bigger threat to the election, Putin or the MSM.

Leroy The Traitor

Posted by Roy Ellis at October 21, 2016 5:33 PM
Comments
Comment #408888

I think that you are beginning to unravel, Roy.

Posted by: Rich at October 21, 2016 5:55 PM
Comment #408889

?

Posted by: roy ellis at October 21, 2016 6:18 PM
Comment #408890

Hey Rich,

Will Harold Martin run for President of the US?

Leroy The Traitor

Posted by: roy ellis at October 21, 2016 6:54 PM
Comment #408891

The media is an extension of the DNC? Nutty stuff.

It is true that the print media has almost unanimously endorsed HRC over Trump, even outlets owned by the right wing, and even ones with decades of history of endorsing Republicans, and yes, even outlets that have never issued endorsements before now, such as “Foreign Policy,” “Vogue” for the first time in 124 years, and incredibly, even “Scientific American.” It does not require a conspiracy theory to figure this out. Hillary Clinton is a good choice, and Trump is absolutely horrible- the worst candidate any of us have seen in our lifetime- arguably the worst in the history of the Republic.

roy ellis, you will be pleased to know a massive denial-of-service cyber attack was launched today against the electronic media in the United States. If the attackers can undermine the US media enough, maybe Trump will win!

Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2016 7:03 PM
Comment #408892

My Leftie Pals agree that Putin is hacking everyone and everything. But…Putin couldn’t hack Hillary’s unprotected emails when she was SoS. Funny that!

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 21, 2016 7:21 PM
Comment #408893

Right Ph, but this hack wasn’t caused by a Harold Martin. This hack could be done by a novice hacker or tinkerer. Just a simple technique to overload a url service module with too many ‘request for service’.

Leroy The Traitor

Posted by: roy ellis at October 21, 2016 7:33 PM
Comment #408894

RF,
The Russians hacked us. We have 17 federal and private agencies confirming exactly that. Of course, if you accept conspiracy theories promoted by Trump, we do not know who hacked us, and we can not trust our own country’s intelligence, nor private firms that say the same. We must believe Putin’s denials, and disbelieve our own people.

It is ironic that HRC’s private server was not hacked, most likely because the Russians did not know of its existence. And be assured, it was not “unprotected.” Anyone in IT knows a server will be hacked almost instantaneously if left unprotected.

Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2016 7:45 PM
Comment #408896

Roy,

We need to distinguish between the unfocused hacking attempts that pervade the internet and the focused state-sponsored attempts conducted by state sponsors. Defending against the former is trivial and it is clear that Clinton’s server did not succumb to those attacks. It’s the latter that people are concerned about and it is likely that the only reason we aren’t reading Clinton’s emails on WikiLeaks is because Russia didn’t know she was running a private server.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 21, 2016 8:19 PM
Comment #408897

Thinking again, how stupid we are. as a people. to permit the corpocracy/gov’t to keep the border open and allow the very worst of South America to flee from their dastardly deeds to a safe haven in the US where no questions can be asked.

Thousand of citizens have been hurt, killed and so on - - -

4 in 10 GOP corpocratists are working against Trump. They won’t amnesty badder than Hil does …

Leroy The Traitor

Posted by: roy ellis at October 21, 2016 8:34 PM
Comment #408899
We have 17 federal and private agencies confirming exactly that.


Wrong again, phx8!
How could the Coast Guard, one of the 17 agencies, determine Russia hacked the DNC or Podesta’s email? There is no evidence directly linking Russia or Putin to the hacks.
Again, just speculation.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/10/20/wikileaks-clintons-claim-russian-espionage-immediately-disprovable-whopper/

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 21, 2016 10:18 PM
Comment #408900

On the subject of media bias, it is worth remembering Trump received more live media coverage than any candidate I can recall. His rallies were broadcast, and during the GOP primaries he sucked the oxygen out of the room. How did he do it? He made outrageous statements that kept the MSM waiting with baited breath. It was great for ratings! A huge number of viewers saw him live and unfiltered in the GOP debates. There was no bias involved.

How did Trump win? He made outrageous statements and personal attacks on an almost daily basis. Trump used name-calling in his scorched earth approach. He suggested Ted Cruz had five mistresses and that his father was connected to the JFK assassination. And now “4 in 10 GOP corpocratists are working against Trump” and it is the establishment’s fault? Come on. Trump trashed them. He beat them down hard, and it was personal, very personal. Trump failed in one of the most basic tasks a party’s primary winner must accomplish: unifying the party.

Trump received similar free coverage from the media in the general election. In the meantime, HRC kept out of the media spotlight and let Trump get all the attention. It was absolutely brilliant. The election focused on Trump, and the more people saw him- especially after that first debate- the more he dropped in the polls.

Now HRC’s overwhelming organizational advantage comes into play, and it will turn a big victory into a rout. This is what great leadership does. She built the lead, slowly but surely, and the bigger it grew, the more pressure she applied. States like AZ and GA are now in play, and polls show the 270 vote threshold has been passed by a wide margin.

Unless, of course, there is also a conspiracy about how the polls are all wrong.

Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2016 10:18 PM
Comment #408901

With your track record, phx8, we’ll be welcoming Trump into the White House come January.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 21, 2016 10:25 PM
Comment #408902

WW,
It is called the Coast Guard Cyber Command.

You are welcome to dismiss what US and private intelligence government are telling you. Details have been published by private companies which I have previously linked. If you want to rely on conspiracy theory, no problem. It will be tough to deal with, though, when the conspiracies come into contact with reality. But then, reality has a liberal bias.

How do you expect Trump to function in office if he does not believe his own intelligence agencies?

Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2016 10:31 PM
Comment #408903

They said there is no definitive evidence linking Russia with these hacks.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 21, 2016 10:59 PM
Comment #408904

Who says your conspiracy theory trumps mine?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 21, 2016 11:00 PM
Comment #408905

“Two senior U.S. intelligence officials reiterated Thursday their belief that the Russian government stole and then leaked emails in an effort to interfere with the November elections, countering the repeated insistence from Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump that no one knows who carried out the attacks.

Adm. Michael Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, said at a conference in Baltimore that “we have acknowledged that the Russians were behind the penetrations,” referring to hacks carried out against the Democratic National Committee, some of its affiliates and Clinton campaign aides.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-officials-reiterate-russian-responsibility-for-recent-hacks-1476981467

So… You are not going to acknowledge the Director of the NSA? How about the Director of National Intelligence? (From the same article):

“I am not going to discuss the underlying evidentiary basis for it,” Mr. Clapper said. “When we say we are confident, I think it speaks for itself.”


Posted by: phx8 at October 21, 2016 11:17 PM
Comment #408906

Weary,

PolitiFact rated Clinton’s statements about Russian hacking of US election as true. “We rate Clinton’s statement True.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

Posted by: Rich at October 21, 2016 11:26 PM
Comment #408907
They said there is no definitive evidence linking Russia with these hacks.

Would you be willing to consider the possibility that the dozen and a half agencies that constitute the UNIC might know something that you don’t?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 21, 2016 11:35 PM
Comment #408908

Russian hacking of our political process and cooperating in releasing selective emails and documents of one candidate is clearly an issue of major concern.

There is the general issue of a rival nation (Russia) active hacking our election process and data. The information could be used in a variety of ways including insight into candidates possible policy changes if elected, who are the key players, etc.

But, it becomes really dangerous when a county like Russia assists in releasing selective information potentially damaging to only one candidate, In this case, Russia is attempting to destroy the Clinton campaign. The effort is a direct attack on our democratic election system. Russia doesnt have a vote in our election.

Trump’s failure to clearly reject the actions of Russia and the intelligence dump demonstrates his shortsighted opportunism.


Posted by: Rich at October 21, 2016 11:55 PM
Comment #408909
However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.

From your link, Warren Porter.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 12:56 AM
Comment #408910

IMO, truth trumps collusion. The truth is coming from wiki-leaks irregardless of source. Collusion is coming from the MSM which has served to turn off freedom of the press.

Leroy The Traitor

Posted by: roy ellis at October 22, 2016 8:49 AM
Comment #408911

From phx8’s link “Two senior U. S. Intelligence officials reiterate Thursday their BELIEF.” BELIEF is NOT absolute proof.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 9:43 AM
Comment #408913

(crickets)


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 11:09 AM
Comment #408914

Never, during this entire fiasco, has anyone definitively charged Russia with these hacks. There has been, from the gitgo, the insinuation Russia is involved. From the gitgo the Democratics have tied Trump to this fiasco in an effort to slander him.

It’s obvious the Democratics believe what they’re told to believe regardless of the words they’re reading.

..and these people vote!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 11:15 AM
Comment #408915

WW,

Please don’t lie to my face like that. The very first sentence of the Press Release reads,

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

(emphasis mine)

You pulled a sentence out of context later in the press release that was talking about the possibility of compromised election-related systems. That is not what we are talking about.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 22, 2016 11:27 AM
Comment #408916

Are you having a comprehension problem, Warren Porter?

alleged hacked e-mails
consistent with the methods
similar tactics and techniques
We believe

Take off the partisan glasses, Warren Porter. They are the wrong prescription for you.

I wish you guys would pay as much attention to the dead guy with three bullets in his back, laying face down on the Washington D.C. street, as you do trying to tie Trump to a manufactured outrage.

Don’t you care about one of your own party laying dead on the street? His murder was important enough to be reported, what about the arrest of the murderer and his motive?

Don’t you care about that?

Well, four dead in Benghazi doesn’t seem to bother you, why should a Dem party grunt?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 12:02 PM
Comment #408917

I don’t see anyone filing charges, Warren Porter. If they’re so sure Putin had the DNC and Podesta and Obama hacked why aren’t they filing charges?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 12:05 PM
Comment #408918

Again BELIEF is NOT absolute proof!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 12:53 PM
Comment #408919

Evidently it is with Democratics. Except when it comes to their own.

Can you imagine them applying the same standard to Hillbilly?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 1:24 PM
Comment #408920

WW,
You are grasping at straws. Pull your head out of your ass and smell the roses. Russia is behind the hacks. Period. This isn’t merely my opinion, it is the conclusion of the DNI and 16 other intelligence agencies.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 22, 2016 3:10 PM
Comment #408922

Ya Warped, and Hillary should have been charged with mishandling classified material. I think you need to pull your head out your A** and smell the BULLS**T you and the rest of the DemocRATS are pushing.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 3:38 PM
Comment #408923

Again BELIEF is NOT absolute proof. When you have ABSOLUTE irrefutable Proof then write about it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 3:56 PM
Comment #408924

Dang! If Putin didn’t do it then I may not be a traitor after all. Good news - - - Good news - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at October 22, 2016 3:59 PM
Comment #408925

I know who did it, BUSH did it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 4:09 PM
Comment #408927

Perhaps it was the guy laying face down on the D.C. sidewalk.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 4:40 PM
Comment #408928

WP,
This is like arguing with a five year old. Not a smart one, either.

Meanwhile…

Today Trump went to the hallowed ground of PA to deliver his Grievanceburg address. It started with lines like these:

“Hillary should have been precluded from running for President of the US but the FBI covered and lied for her.”

Presumably the liars include the AG, the Republican Director of the FBI, and 12-20 investigators and analysts who unanimously agreed there was no cause to prosecute.

But wait! There’s more!

“Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign, total fabrication, events never happened, they will be sued after the election is over.”

Nothing spells fitness for the presidency quite like a burning thirst for vengeance.

Oh. The election is “totally rigged” and the media is “corrupt.” Hillary Clinton should have been prevented from running in the first place, and if he wins he will have her prosecuted and locked up. If he loses, he may deny the validity of the election.

Now that’s some gooood presidentin’!

Apparently the Grievanceburg Address pushed the usual conspiracy theories and it was rambling and unfocused, even for Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at October 22, 2016 5:04 PM
Comment #408929

Yea! And I heard an old lady who said she got punched by an old man was paid to say that. I also heard the DNC was paying people to start fights to make it look like Trump is promoting anarchy.

It’s funny what people will do to win an election, isn’t it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 5:21 PM
Comment #408930

Ah yes. James O’Keefe. Does the name ring a bell? He was the one who put together the videos that were dishonestly edited. Breitbart pushed that crap pretty hard. It was completely false and O’Keefe was utterly discredited.

Posted by: phx8 at October 22, 2016 6:23 PM
Comment #408931

“I never sent or received anything that was marked classified” ever hear that lie phx8? 110 classified messages found on her home brew server yet all she gets is was, “She was extremely carless”. A sailor on a Sub. takes some pictures in spaces that carried a “Classified/restricted” classification and he gets a year in prison plus other punishments. Justice system isn’t rigged is it phx8?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 6:46 PM
Comment #408932
Again BELIEF is NOT absolute proof. When you have ABSOLUTE irrefutable Proof then write about it.

There’s no such thing as absolute proof. Only educated guesses and reasonable conclusions. Our nation’s intelligence experts have given us their judgement and you throw these expert opinions out the window.

Give me a break.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 22, 2016 6:47 PM
Comment #408933

Warped, Remember Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction by our intelligence best guess. How did that educated guess work out?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 6:56 PM
Comment #408934

Warped, Key word is “GUESSES” sometimes right sometimes WRONG.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 7:02 PM
Comment #408935


“The election is “totally rigged”

If the election was totally rigged Donald Trump wouldn’t have made it out of the primaries.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 22, 2016 8:58 PM
Comment #408936

Warren Porter, I hope I don’t have you on my jury.

phx8, who said O’Keefe was discredited? This is more of your lies, half-truths, myths and misinformation, isn’t it?

Wrong again, phx8.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 9:49 PM
Comment #408937

Why even bother with having an intelligence service if nobody is going to believe what they say? The failure to properly vet the sources that led to the Iraq War was entirely a fault of the Bush Administration’s incompetence.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 22, 2016 9:54 PM
Comment #408938

Rocky Marks, do you remember when Donald Trump started his campaign? Remember how they said he wouldn’t run? The media never took him seriously. They thought his mouth would get him in trouble so they covered him 24/7. Everything was put toward him screwing himself.

They never counted on him demolishing the Republican stable of horses. Even their heavy artillery, the traumatized woman grieving for 30 years, couldn’t fell the mighty Trump.

And everyone is waiting for Trump’s Wikileaks moment. Do you know why there won’t be one? Because the Democratic Party operative who stole those emails and gave them to Wikileaks had no access to Republican Party information and therefore couldn’t release any.

He should have went public, and his mistake cost him his life!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 9:57 PM
Comment #408939

You’re finally getting the picture, Warren Porter. The entire government is corrupt and no one believes anything they say anymore. You can thank Obama and his lies for that. You can thank Hillbilly and her lies for that. You can thank Comey for that. You’re backing a horse that has no credibility. The only people who believe what they say are people who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo alive and well.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 10:01 PM
Comment #408940

Warped, Intel is best guess sometimes wrong sometimes right. To blame an act on a government that Intel better be 100% right.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2016 10:24 PM
Comment #408941

O’Keefe’s videos of ACORN, NPR and others were debunked ages ago as nothing other than careful editing to remove context from remarks to transform the innocuous into a confession. Even Glenn Beck’s The Blaze has called O’Keefe’s tactics into question in the past. At this point, he nothing but a habitual liar who’s work can be safely ignored as long as he keeps the raw footage secret.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 22, 2016 10:45 PM
Comment #408942
You’re backing a horse that has no credibility

Yet, my horse has an approval rating just shy of 60% while yours is having trouble earning more than 35% of the vote.

If your horse wins in three weeks, then we can talk. Otherwise, all you are doing is blowing smoke.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 22, 2016 10:48 PM
Comment #408943


“Rocky Marks, do you remember when Donald Trump started his campaign?”

Yes I do. I thought he was an idiot then and I think he is an idiot now. He is vain and his pompadour comb over is just hysterical.
Worst possible Presidential candidate ever. This guy is a scumbag con artist, and his supporters are too vapid to understand that. He isn’t even interested enough to prepare for a debate with a woman that half the country hates.
I said all of these things at the time.
Is that what you mean when you ask if I remember?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 22, 2016 11:02 PM
Comment #408944

A nine billion dollar idiot. With a bad haircut.

Your bar for selecting a president is pretty low, Rocky Marks. So Hillbilly has someone else’s money, a good haircut, and what puts her over the top, her genitalia?
Excellent criteria, Rocky Marks!


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 11:18 PM
Comment #408945

Oh, and BTW, Willie, all the evidence that he is a scumbag is right there before your eyes and you, and all of his supporters, refuse to see it. Why don’t you take off your partisan blinders.

I don’t have to listen to the press bitch about Trump, every time he opens his mouth he digs a deeper hole.

Yeah, I remember.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 22, 2016 11:19 PM
Comment #408946

Willie,

Don’t ask the question if you don’t want to hear the damn answer.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 22, 2016 11:30 PM
Comment #408947

I think you guys are starting to feel the pinch. You’re not so sure any more. You’ve thrown all the dirty tricks you’ve got and he’s still standing. His still being in the race has got you flummoxed and you’re starting to panic.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 22, 2016 11:50 PM
Comment #408948

Nah, it’s really exciting to see the country unite in opposition to Donald Trump in order to affirm their satisfaction with the current state of affairs. I can’t wait to see you on November 9th.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 12:32 AM
Comment #408949

I wonder why all those Hillbilly supporters have Trump/Pence signs in their yard!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 1:23 AM
Comment #408950

Wow Weary a new low for you.

phx8, who said O’Keefe was discredited? This is more of your lies, half-truths, myths and misinformation, isn’t it?

The answer is the courts have.

“On March 5, 2013, O’Keefe agreed to pay Vera $100,000 and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident.”

“O’Keefe and the others pleaded guilty on May 26. O’Keefe was sentenced to three years’ probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine. The other three men received lesser sentences”

To further add to the discussion yes James O’Keefe is a part of the myths misinformation half truths and outright lies conservatives believe on a regular basis.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2016 2:25 AM
Comment #408954

” You’ve thrown all the dirty tricks you’ve got and he’s still standing. His still being in the race has got you flummoxed and you’re starting to panic.”

Seriously Willie, that’s the best you got?

Donald Trump is a petulant whining asshat, who, if he doesn’t win whines about how it wasn’t fair. He has a history of whining how it’s not fair, as if he believes he should win simply because he’s Donald freaking Trump.

Well sorry Donny, that’s not the way world works. You actually have to be prepared to win, they just don’t hand it over to you. If winning is so important to you, grow up and do the work.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 23, 2016 9:12 AM
Comment #408956

Oh, and BTW, Willie.

That 9 billion dollars you and Trump are so proud of.

If he had merely taken the money his father gave him and invested it wisely, it could have been 12 billion dollars.

The man’s an idiot.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 23, 2016 9:19 AM
Comment #408957

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/07/local/la-me-0308-acorn-20130308

A report in 2010 by the office of the California attorney general said that O’Keefe and Giles were given immunity from prosecution when they agreed to provide complete and unedited copies of videos made in Los Angeles, San Bernardino and National City.
Vera’s lawsuit was filed by Eugene Iredale, one of San Diego’s top criminal defense and civil rights attorneys. The lawsuit was filed on the assertion that O’Keefe broke a state law prohibiting the surreptitious recording of someone’s voice and image.
But O’Keefe’s attorney, Michael Madigan from a Los Angeles firm, called the $100,000 payment a “nuisance settlement” and said that O’Keefe “has a full career ahead as a talented investigative journalist.”
Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 10:07 AM
Comment #408958

”..could have been 12 billion”

You call that an argument? That’s funny.

How much did his father give him, Rocky Marks?

It wasn’t 9 billion. That’s for sure.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 10:16 AM
Comment #408960

Amusing, yet sad. WW refuses to accept 17 US intelligence agencies concluding Russia was behind the Wikileaks hack, but he will defend O’Keefe, a proven liar who has been convicted in a court. No standard of proof is too high if it favors HRC, yet any wild assertion by Trump, Breitbart, or O’Keefe must be uncritically accepted.

Speaking of amusing, yet sad. Roy Ellis wrote an article about how well Trump did in the last debate. Poll came out today that factored that performance into the results. Before the debate, HRC was up 4 points. Now she is up 12.

Of course, the polls are part of a conspiracy theory, according to Trump and his supporters. The media is part of one too, unless it reports on Wikileaks, at which point standards of proof and loyalty go out the window. Trump! Trump! Trump!

A conservative columnist in The Oregonian wrote that something was wrong with the election process because Trump won the Republican primary. She thinks Democrats should not hold the GOP responsible for Trump after the election. Democrats should be civil. Ignore all that terrible talk about how the Democratic candidate should not have been allowed to run, and how the GOP candidate would appoint a special prosecutor, and she should go to jail. Ignore all the name-calling and accusations that she lied. Lock her up! lock her up! lock her up!

And Democrats, please be nice after the electoral tsunami crushes the GOP. Pretty please.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2016 10:44 AM
Comment #408961


You’re the one who’s lying, phx8.

O’Keefe pled guilty in 2010 to one misdemeanor count of entering a federal building under false pretenses.


But, being a Democratic, a lie is just a means to an end, isn’t it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 11:21 AM
Comment #408962

From FOX News, 10/18, On the Record with Bret Hume:

“JENNIFER GRIFFIN: But now the controversial undercover conservative group Project Veritas, has released video that it claims shows Democratic operatives conspiring to incite violence at Trump events.

[…]

GRIFFIN: Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe has been convicted and forced to pay a $100,000 fine in the past. He was caught doctoring videos and Twitter recently blocked him from his own account, preventing him from using the social media platform. The group claims this spliced video shows Democratic operatives feeding the narrative that Trump fans are dangerous and violent. The video shows Foval claiming that he is directly coordinating with the Clinton campaign and DNC. But it is edited in such a way that it is no longer clear whether he is referring to the alleged bird-dogging.

[…]

GRIFFIN: In a separate case O’Keefe was charged and convicted for tampering phone lines at former Louisiana senator Mary Landrieu’s office. Fox reached out to all parties mentioned in the video for a statement.”

It gets worse:

“Donald Trump’s foundation donated $10,000 to filmmaker James O’Keefe and his tax-exempt group, Project Veritas, in 2015, ThinkProgress reports — a donation that might raise eyebrows, especially as O’Keefe just released videos that allegedly show Hillary Clinton supporters bragging about trying to bait Trump supporters into attacks. Trump seized on the footage at the final presidential debate, claiming Clinton and President Obama “hired people” to “be violent, cause fights, [and] do bad things” at his rallies, although there is no evidence of either’s involvement.

In fact, if anything it seems as if Trump is the one who comes out looking suspect:

Trump, who claimed in the same debate that Hillary Clinton “shouldn’t be allowed to run” for president “based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things,” was funding a convicted criminal. O’Keefe was sentenced to three years of probation, 100 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine in 2010 after taking a plea bargain following a botched “sting” attempt at the office of then-Sen. Mary Landrieu.”

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2016 11:45 AM
Comment #408963

Yawn.

What does it take for you to realize no one is listening to your faux outrage.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 11:58 AM
Comment #408964

I’m listening. And so are the 65 million people who are voting for Donald Trump’s opponents in November. Tens of millions of Patriotic Americans who cherish the values and attributes that made our country great in the first place. Together, we will make our great nation even greater.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 1:39 PM
Comment #408965

I don’t think you have any concept of what made this country great in the first place. It certainly wasn’t government. You can herald the achievements that have been made as great, but in reality they were short term pandering, with a motive, in private, to enslave and subjugate the people.

Social Security was fine at it’s conception. If it stayed as it was it would be what you claim it is. But it didn’t. What was once insurance against misfortune is now considered, by the government, a benefit. Where did FDR say the government is going provide everyone a comfy retirement package, some from cradle to grave, out of the goodness of it’s heart?

The common man was never intended to pay the federal government for his security. FDR sold SS as a tax on the upper 1% of the wealthiest earners. Does that sound familiar? FDR didn’t say, “If you like your wages, you can keep your wages!”, but it was a lie just the same.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 2:43 PM
Comment #408966
It certainly wasn’t government

America is great we have a government that serves the people rather than a people that serve a government.

what you claim it is

What did I claim SS to be?

I never mentioned anything about it on this page or any other recent comment.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 3:33 PM
Comment #408967

“I don’t think you have any concept of what made this country great in the first place. It certainly wasn’t government. You can herald the achievements that have been made as great, but in reality they were short term pandering, with a motive, in private, to enslave and subjugate the people.”

Why don’t you learn a little American history before making such statements? Most of the Federalist Papers were written by Madison and Hamilton, and they went on to represent the two conflicting visions of American government. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe (Virginians) and others favored a gentleman farmer, agrarian version of
America, with strong state governments and a weak federal one. The Federalists- Hamilton, Washington, Adams, and others- favored a strong federal government.

The Federalists proved right.

Hamilton was the genius behind a strong federal government. He recognized the need for an economy based upon manufacturing, federal taxation, a central bank, the use of debt for building the country into a power, and the need for a standing army. He also recognized the best guarantor of individual liberty was a strong federal government.

This turned out to be the right path, and government- specifically, a strong federal government- was fundamental in making the country great.

Social Security has proved to be one of the most popular programs ever implemented. It is an EARNED benefit put in place by an effective federal government. Current projected shortfalls are easily fixed by simply removing the payroll cap.

It would also help the demographics behind Social Security to become more favorable by encouraging more immigration, and to economically integrate the illegal immigrants already here.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2016 3:40 PM
Comment #408968

AArrgh! phx8, of a matter of course, is wrong on so many levels in his last post. phx8 is basically saying that if it wasn’t for government everyone would be poor and the US would be a third world country.

Wishful thinking on your part, phx8.

The Federalists proved right.

No they didn’t. They surrendered to a political party called the Democratic Party. Even it’s name is a lie!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 4:10 PM
Comment #408969
It would also help the demographics behind Social Security to become more favorable by encouraging more immigration, and to economically integrate the illegal immigrants already here.
Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2016 3:40 PM


phx8 just admitted to the motive behind illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is needed to keep the ponzi scheme alive.

phx8, what makes you think legal immigration won’t accomplish the same thing?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 4:23 PM
Comment #408970
if it wasn’t for government everyone would be poor and the US would be a third world country

I am not aware of any wealthy nations governed by anarchy, do you? We can all agree a well-functioning government is a necessary prerequisite for prosperity.

legal immigration won’t accomplish the same thing
Not if it remains shackled to the current limit of roughly a million legal immigrants each year. If we eliminated those quotas, then you would be right. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #408971

I’ll tell you.

Social Security is expanding more than the base can support. It’s a short sighted program that outlived it’s capabilities.

Why isn’t anyone able to amend this program?

I think it’s because Democratics can’t admit they didn’t have the ability to see what this program would do to a society who thinks it is now their right to have Social Security given to them!

They can’t admit they made a mistake.

Given the way they treat people who make mistakes, it’s no wonder they can’t admit they made one.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #408972

Hitler had a well functioning government, Warren Porter.

How far did he get?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 4:40 PM
Comment #408973

The German people are famous for their efficiency.

What really defeated Hitler’s Germany was his obsession with control.

What makes the Democratic Party any different from Hitler’s Nazi party?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 4:43 PM
Comment #408974

The German government failed to protect the lives of millions of its own citizens. That is not well-functioning by any means.

Why isn’t anyone able to amend this program?

Last I checked, your candidate was the one who opposed any modifications to SS. Every other candidate has put forward a proposal for either increasing revenue or reducing benefits.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 4:58 PM
Comment #408975

“I don’t think you have any concept of what made this country great in the first place.”

Another arrogant claim by the right of exclusive knowledge of what has made the US great. The out of hand dismissal of phx8’s nutshell description of the role of Hamilton in shaping a strong central government is so typical.

A casual reader of US history would understand that one of the most important decisions in our history was the decision by President George Washington to support the vision of Hamilton for a strong central government and industrial development.

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2016 5:01 PM
Comment #408976

“Social Security is expanding more than the base can support. It’s a short sighted program that outlived it’s capabilities.”

Nonsense! In 1983, faced with much greater short term and long term funding difficulties, Congress and President Reagan implemented reforms advocated by the Greenspan Commission which provided complete solvency of the SS Trust Funds until 2035, that’s a period of over half a century.

Perhaps, I am wrong but I don’t recall much whining or political problems resulting from the Greenspan reforms despite the substantial increases in FICA payroll taxes.

Today, we are faced with less dramatic long term problems and have a number of options to address the issues. One of the simplest is to remove the cap on income subject to SS FICA taxes. The current cap formula is based upon an assumption of the Greenspan Commission that has proven to be flawed. It was assumed that 90% of all earned income would be captured by the SS tax. However, since 1983 much of earned income has become skewed toward the higher income brackets resulting in less than 90% subject to the tax.


Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2016 5:32 PM
Comment #408977

What makes your wonder solution any better than others, Rich?

Why should our federal government be the only means available to the U.S. Citizen to provide for his security?

C’mon, you all claim the the People are so great! Why can’t you let them decide whether they use the government for security or themselves, their own initiative, to provide their own security?

Why must the SS program be the only means to provide security?

Why must you force everyone to contribute to a system that leads them into servitude?

I would love to have the money I contributed to SS in my lifetime. Give me my money back, Rich!

I’ll make a business my community will cherish! I’ll contribute to my own security, Thank You Very Much!


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 6:13 PM
Comment #408978

Trump proposes nothing other than more of the status quo when it comes to Social Security. That’s not a “solution”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 6:47 PM
Comment #408979

Yea, but he’ll also throw a bunch of people in jail for abusing their authority.

That will scare the hell out of the rest.

You don’t have anything to worry about there, do you Warren Porter?


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 23, 2016 7:12 PM
Comment #408980

Trump proposes nothing other than more of the status quo when it comes to Social Security. That’s not a “solution”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 7:17 PM
Comment #408981

Sorry about the double post.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 23, 2016 7:48 PM
Comment #408982

Willie,

“Why should our federal government be the only means available to the U.S. Citizen to provide for his security?”

You truly don’t get it do you.
Not one person, no body, has even dared to suggest that SS is the only means available for retirement accounts.
Nobody.
However, when and if the fit hits the shan, it’s not a bad idea to have a backup plan sponsored by the federal government.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 23, 2016 10:06 PM
Comment #408984

Those statements from our intelligence agencies telling us that Russia is responsible for these email hacks can’t possibly be true, right?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2016 12:25 AM
Comment #408985
Speaking of amusing, yet sad. Roy Ellis wrote an article about how well Trump did in the last debate. Poll came out today that factored that performance into the results. Before the debate, HRC was up 4 points. Now she is up 12.

Wow each time Roy declares Trump the winner more people say they will vote for Hillary. Seems to me Hillary out to request another debate so Trump can “win” once again.


Yea, but he’ll also throw a bunch of people in jail for abusing their authority.

That will scare the hell out of the rest.

Weary other than telling Clinton he would seek to jail her who else of the “authority abusers” in DC has he threatened? Who is this bunch and do you have a link where he has detailed the particulars that has caused him to become judge jury and executioner over this bunch of people?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 24, 2016 12:42 AM
Comment #408990

So it seems we have a serious problem in this country, on that we can all agree… right? The government is corrupt say the conservatives. Although I say the problem is the money used to gain influence with our elected representative.

Now it seems to me the conservatives think that getting an outsider into the position of president will solve the problem , the government won’t be corrupt any longer!!! Yeah sounds weird when you say it out loud right? However on the other hand should we elect Clinton, because she is an insider the government will remain corrupt. The reasoning seems to be Clinton won’t do what Trump will do; “he’ll also throw a bunch of people in jail for abusing their authority. That will scare the hell out of the rest.”

Yet they then pick a guy who has ran scam after scam for years to solve the problem, putting the fox in charge of the chickens logic. Because Clinton…Because Benghazi, because emails, because whatever faux scandal they can think of.

Yet Trump gets a free ride on the Trump university scam…. why?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432010/trump-university-scam

Posted by: j2t2 at October 24, 2016 11:16 AM
Comment #408991

Oh anyway my point is this…

Roy asks (as if this isn’t scary enough)”Biggest threat to the election: Putin or the MSM”. Putin for stealing and lying or the MSM for giving Trump enough rope to hang himself.

I would suggest neither. I would suggest conservative logic or the lack thereof. Conservative groupthink has lost the ability to think critically and the ability to reason and that is the biggest threat to the election. You want proof you say…. I say sure…. no problem… read the comments from our conservative friends in this thread.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 24, 2016 11:25 AM
Comment #408995

j2t2,
The lack of logic is part of the conservative problem. So is the groupthink, which is encouraged by following Limbaugh, Hannity, Breitbart, and FOX. A big part of the underlying problem is its appeal to hatred, bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia. It is compounded by believing conspiracy theories. Today Trump tweeted:

“Major story that the Dems are making up phony polls in order to suppress the the Trump . We are going to WIN!”

Polls are faked, the election is rigged, and so on and so on.

What I wonder is this: what will the GOP do if it loses in a landslide? Will Trump go away? Will Limbaugh and Hannity and Breitbart and FOX change?

I do not think so. They destroyed themselves supporting Bush and then attacking Obama. They are no longer capable of functioning as part of a functioning government. All they can do is continue their destructive behavior.

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2016 3:01 PM
Comment #408996

Why would people who make their living pointing out the left’s double standards, hypocrisy and hatred, change what they do when Hillary wins?
Seems to me the leftists have given them plenty of ammo with all the “bigotry, misogyny, and xenophobia” and how disagreeing with liberal policies somehow equals ‘attacking Obama,’ BS. They will probably get good traction out of the leftists extremists rhetoric about non-liberals being unintelligent deplorable’s also.

If the leftist media and politicians didn’t change after the 2000 election, why would those on the right change anything?

You guys have really gone off the whack-o deep end. Freaking nutso.

Posted by: kctim at October 24, 2016 4:00 PM
Comment #408998

phx8 writes; ” WW refuses to accept 17 US intelligence agencies concluding Russia was behind the Wikileaks hack…”

Out of Hillary’s mouth to your ear and fingers. Where’s the proof?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2016 4:52 PM
Comment #408999

Will my Liberal Pals call Bob Woodward a crazy Conservative?

“Renowned reporter Bob Woodward called Hillary Clinton’s connections to “pay for play” through the Clinton Foundation and the access she had given when she was secretary of state “corrupt” and something that voters should be troubled by, Woodward told Fox News’ Chris Wallace on Sunday.”

Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bob-woodward-hillary-pay-for-play-corrupt/2016/10/23/id/754912/#ixzz4O2SDPihN

“Donald Trump is holding a slight lead on Hillary Clinton 43 to 41 percent in the four-way race, according to the Sunday morning’s IBD/TIPP presidential tracking poll. Trump also holds nearly a one-point lead in the two-way race in the survey.

Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) and TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence (TIPP) poll boasts it has been the most accurate among 11 national polls in the past three presidential elections.

The poll surveyed 783 likely voters, 282 of which were Democrats, 226 Republicans and 259 independents.”

Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-leads-national-poll/2016/10/23/id/754874/#ixzz4O2SsBMgt

Compare the composition of dems, reps, and inds in this poll with the mix used in polls showing Clinton leading by double digits and you will find a much different mix showing a very lopsided favoritism towards dems polled.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2016 5:06 PM
Comment #409001

Should Mr. Trump do the nearly impossible and win this election it will be a marvel to behold and analyze.

A non-politician will have beaten the entire elite news media, most of the elite of the Republican Party, corruption by the Democrat Party and the Clinton campaign that is unparalleled in scope, and money involved, in our nation’s history.

A Trump victory will prove that the American spirit of independence and hatred of government and political corruption is still alive.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2016 5:13 PM
Comment #409002

Exactmento RF, the left wouldn’t know a Putin if they got hit by one. Until it’s proven I will not be a traitor.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 24, 2016 5:40 PM
Comment #409006

RF,
I have not paid attention to Woodward since he wrote those fawning biographies of Bush.

The IBD poll is interesting. It is a legitimate poll with a short, but good, track record. Today a CNN poll came out showing HRC with a 5 point lead. It is worth remembering polls have a margin of error, usually + or - three or four points. It is also worth remembering that sometimes perfectly legitimate pollsters come up with an outlier. While it is certainly possible the IBD poll is the first indicator of a trend no one else has detected, more likely it is an outlier. There are too many polls saying otherwise, not only national polls, but a whole lot of state polls too.

Some people prefer averaging several polls. This method works pretty well, but of course it depends on which ones are included. Using this method, several different averages show HRC with a 5 to 7 point lead.

Yet another indicator is early voting statistics. That is less accurate because it only tells us who is voting, and not necessarily who they are voting for, but for what it is worth, HRC seems to be doing well here too.

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2016 10:27 PM
Comment #409007

Carter had a commanding lead over Reghan but we all know what happened there don’t we phx8.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 25, 2016 9:24 AM
Comment #409008

By the way, the IBD poll is not included in polling averages because they will not reveal all of their methodology. Rasmussen is not included either, because it includes online polling, and does not include cell phone users.

It is absolutely amazing that conservatives will refuse to accept that Russia perpetrated the Wikileaks hacks. This refusal results in an utter inability to analyze WHY Russia and Wikileaks launched this cyber attack against HRC and the Democrats. A foreign adversary is trying to get Trump elected. You can not process what is happening. You refuse to even see it, or worse, embrace it.

At the same time, conservatives will accept the most outrageous assertions without question. Almost any accusation aimed at Clinton is taken as gospel, while Trump’s incredible behavior and sordid past does not even require a defense, because he is just telling it like it is. This has a lot to do with how you ended up with Trump as your candidate in the first place.

Now you have a candidate who, in his own words, calls the election rigged, threatens to jail his opponent, wants to attack the media by changing libel laws, ban everyone from one religion from entering the country, wants to monitor their churches, kill the families of terrorists, bring back torture, who claims to know more about ISIS than the generals and yet has no plan about what to do, calls Mexicans criminals and rapists… It just goes on and on. There has never been a candidate so manifestly unfit for office.

A lot of you will vote for him, or refuse to make judgments, or pretend both sides do it.

And you will never, ever live this down.

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2016 9:34 AM
Comment #409009

KAP,
Possible the polls are wrong. Highly unlikely, but possible. Btw, last week Obama had a 57% approval rating.

I’m more worried about what could happen at the last minute, especially the possibility of a cyber attack aimed at disrupting the election. It would not have to effect all 50 states. Even one or two would be enough to throw the country into crisis.

The Republicans failed to fulfill their constitutional obligation to advise and consent on a Supreme Court nominee, and now the court is politically divided 4 - 4. A disrupted election going to a tied Court could be a disaster.

We all know about Trump’s temperament. We all know he has already claimed the election is rigged, the media is biased, the polls are phony, and more. What do you think Trump would do in that scenario.

We have already seen conservatives on this site deny, and worse, root for foreign cyber attacks by adversaries in order to help Trump. Imagine if a cyber attack disrupted voting in even one or two states.

Such a cyber attack is an unlikely possibility, of course, but it is more likely than almost all the polls being wrong. This morning a poll in NC showed HRC +7.

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2016 10:48 AM
Comment #409010
A Trump victory will prove that the American spirit of independence and hatred of government and political corruption is still alive.

That, Royal, is what many Americans are fantasizing. It is nice of you to identify hatred of government as one of the traits of a Trump voter/conservative/repub. Most of the time you guys deny this is principle of conservatism.

One of the things that amazes me about the Trump voter is how far they have come with their hatred of the “elites”. When Reagan was leading the show conservatives were all in favor of the moneyed elites. Now they are against them, finally after all this time, after they have let the moneyed elites do as they will with our representatives in government.

It’s just that they think they invented this anti-elitism I find funny. Hell the far left has been telling you guys this for years now. Lets not forget corruption either. From the most corrupt administration in modern times, Reagan once again, to Trump (the guy who tells us he bought off politicians so he can fix it).

It is also humorous the conservative, especially the religious conservatives, are marching in lock step to the Trump tune. Is Trump really the kind of guy the moral majority wanted as president. I mean they called Obama the devil and just a few short years later they are backing Trump!!!

It must hurt, this lowering of the religious rights integrity, so far so fast Royal.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2016 11:05 AM
Comment #409011

Sad that you have to use hyperbole and double standards in order to pretend that both sides don’t do it.

You condemn the other side for talking about rigged elections, but you ignore the fact that leftists were screaming rigged elections - roadblocks, purging voter rolls, voting machine tampering, racism etc… - BEFORE the results in 2000.
You falsely claim Trump threatened to jail a political opponent, but willfully ignore the context where IF he was President there would have been a proper investigation and her proven mishandling of classified information would have been dealt with properly.
You falsely claim he wants to ban everyone from one religion from entering the country, but because he is running as a Republican, you refuse to accept his clarification that he was referring to muslims from areas known for terrorism.
You claim he wants to monitor their churches, but ignore the fact that we are already monitoring churches, mosques and other group meetings where possible terrorist activity is suspected.
You claim he wants to “bring back torture,” but the fact is that it never really went away.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-torture-hands-arent-entirely-clean

You falsely claim that he calls Mexicans criminals and rapists… but you ignore the fact that he said “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.
You also convienently leave out the fact that Hillary once believed Mexico - through its policies - was sending illegal aliens across our border and that she also supported the idea of “barriers” as part of reform.

The only thing obvious here is that your only requirement for one to be “fit for the office,” is that they support the agenda you favor.

Posted by: kctim at October 25, 2016 11:26 AM
Comment #409012

phx8, Yes polls could be wrong they also could be taken in predominately Dem or Rep areas as was the CNN poll after each debate taken from predominately Democrats.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 25, 2016 11:39 AM
Comment #409013

Conservatives know they have the right man for the job when of all people Glenn Beck calls him a sociopath. Glenn Beck calling a right wing politican a sociopath… think about that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/glenn-beck-trump-sociopath_us_580ec041e4b000d0b1584c18

So the country is in bad shape, according to conservatives, and only Trump can make America great again. He will do this by violating the rights of the Muslims and Immigrants. He will run up the debt to make America great again. Trump will force other countries to build America walls at their expense. He will jail political opponents. He will attack the free press for writing about him. He will attack anyone who speaks out against him as we are seeing with the women accusing him of misconduct.


Yet his supporters think he is the answer to the problems we have because “he tells it like it is”. What the f**k is the matter with you people? What does Trump have to do, grow the little mustache and demand you guys address him as mein fuhrer?


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Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2016 11:42 AM
Comment #409014

kctim,
You write: “You falsely claim he wants to ban everyone from one religion from entering the country, but because he is running as a Republican, you refuse to accept his clarification that he was referring to muslims from areas known for terrorism.”

Here is his statement:

“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”
12/7/15

This was a prepared statement, not an off-the-cuff remark.

He was quite clear. His ‘clarification’ came in June 2016, but Trump did not specify which countries.

The rest of that previous comment follows a similar vein- half truths and claims of false equivalences, as if both sides advocate torture. As if… Gee! Everybody does it! What’s so wrong with waterboarding and killing the family members of terrorists?

By the way, nice attempt with the quote about Mexicans, omitting half the statement. Tsk, tsk. Here is what Trump said:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Donald Trump
6/16/2015

Here is a fact check on this and other similar incendiary statements by Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/08/donald-trumps-false-comments-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2016 12:06 PM
Comment #409015

Yes, he did indeed clarify his statement about foreign muslims entering the US, but it doesn’t count? LOL! OK. Perhaps he should have just followed Hillary and just labeled his fellow Americans as “super-predators.”

“When Mexico sends its people…”
ANYBODY with an ounce of integrity knows that the “they’re” he is talking about are the illegal aliens he believes Mexico is sending across the border, in that statement.
Now, one can argue that Trump and Hillary are wrong in believing that Mexico is sending illegal aliens across the border, but you don’t need to twist words to hide your double standard.

What’s so wrong with waterboarding? Nothing.
And killing the family members of terrorists? Nothing, if they are harboring or supporting terrorists.

“half truths and claims of false equivalences, as if both sides advocate torture”

You do realize that pointing out somebody is telling you one thing in public and doing the exact opposite in private, doesn’t make it a half truth or false equivalence, right?

FFS man, you guys are whining about ‘the right’ questioning 20-30 year old rumors, while at the same time you are willfully ignoring the content of current FBI investigation and leaked emails.

Posted by: kctim at October 25, 2016 12:36 PM
Comment #409017

kctim. please stop doing this half statement thing, we just don’t fall for it.


“When I go out and speak, the people in this country are furious,” Trump continued. “[You fear me as President because] You’ll be in jail.”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/10/09/trump-hillary-i-will-invvestigate-you-if-i-win-n2229918


OK guys I have my ballot , just got it in the mail. The plan is to spend some time on Sunday going over all the issues and candidates and filling out the ballot to mail back in on Monday. So why should Clinton, Trump or Johnson get my vote after reading all the negatives about each of them over the past few months?

Here is some more on the TPP issue which as I have mentioned before is the big one for me. Both repub and dem candidates have said they will turn it down. Why should I believe either of them?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-tpp-and-free-trade-ti_b_12628906.html

My second big issue is the trend towards regressive taxation. Third is Bloated military budget. Fourth is who has the best ideas to move us into the way things are in this century.

Everything else is fodder intended to confuse me.

SO who should I vote for as president?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2016 2:24 PM
Comment #409018

j2t2 put your reading glasses on or ask a child what this means…

“…hatred of government and political corruption is still alive.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2016 4:52 PM
Comment #409019

SO who should I vote for as president?
Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2016 2:24 PM

Easy…write your own name is as you certainly believe you are the best qualified since you have all the answers.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2016 4:59 PM
Comment #409020

“The thing you should be apologizing for are the 33,000 emails you deleted and that you acid washed and then the two boxes that were taken from an office and are now missing,” Trump said.”And I’ll tell you what, I wasn’t going to say it and I hate to say it, but if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, there has never been anything like it and we’re going to have a special prosecutor.”

“When I go out and speak, the people in this country are furious,” Trump continued. “[You fear me as President because] You’ll be in jail.”

The is the whole statement J2, and anybody with an ounce of integrity can clearly see that he is saying that he will have a special prosecutor look into her actions and that he believes those actions are punishable.
He is not saying, in any way imaginable, that he would jail her for simply being his political opponent.

“we just don’t fall for it”

You don’t have to fall for anything J2, just stop with all the spin, lies, half-truths and misinformation to attack Trump. Lord knows he has given you guys plenty of real reasons to oppose him.

Posted by: kctim at October 25, 2016 5:40 PM
Comment #409021

This guy is loosing it…here’s Obama lying again and actually thanking himself.

“President Barack Obama remains optimistic that the plan will get through these growing pains.

“You’re getting better quality, even though you don’t know that Obamacare is doing it,” Obama said before a crowd in Florida last week.

“Thanks, Obama,” he added.”

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/10/25/obamacare-premiums-are-going-up-by-an-average-of-25-percent-next/21591140/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2016 5:44 PM
Comment #409022
he is saying that he will have a special prosecutor look into her actions and that he believes those actions are punishable. He is not saying, in any way imaginable, that he would jail her for simply being his political opponent.

Sure. Just like how the Moscow Trials were all about bringing traitors to Justice.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2016 6:07 PM
Comment #409023

Huge new premium increases for Obamacare have been announced. Obama claims we are getting better quality care. Really? Compared to what? I suppose if one has their premium paid for by others it is a good deal…….for them! But not for those of us who pay for it.

I can not fathom how my Liberal Pals can slough off Obama’s glowing remarks about lowering cost and premiums when he was pushing its passage and see the increases coming on line now.

This is a failed government program. It should be totally repealed. Obama’s legacy be damned.

We have Hillary praising this failed program and promising to fix it with more taxpayer dollars. Many Americans have already lost the ability to choose their doctor of choice. Many have had huge increases in premiums, deductibles, and copay’s. The Left just doesn’t give a damn about working Americans or how lousy their medical care has become.

My Leftie buddies would vote for Satan if he promised to fix Hell.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2016 7:39 PM
Comment #409025

kctim,

“The is the whole statement J2, and anybody with an ounce of integrity can clearly see that he is saying that he will have a special prosecutor look into her actions and that he believes those actions are punishable.”

So what you’re saying is that when Obama said “you didn’t build that”, anybody with an ounce of integrity immediately understood what his point actually was and didn’t go bats**t nuts.

RF,

“Huge new premium increases for Obamacare have been announced.”

Actually those were announced in 2009, but who counts…

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 25, 2016 9:06 PM
Comment #409030

Warren,
So, we are to believe that under Obama our justice system works as it should and we should respect its findings, but under Trump everybody would just throw it all away in order to get revenge?
Gee, what happened to all that faith in the system you guys had not so long ago?

Rocky,
Obama’s “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen” isn’t really a good comparison because he and everybody else on the left actually believe government roads, bridges, regulations etc… are to be given credit right along with the business owner.

A better comparison would be:

“I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

People ignored the point he was trying to make and concentrated on the ‘punished with a baby’ part.

Posted by: kctim at October 26, 2016 9:39 AM
Comment #409032
The is the whole statement J2, and anybody with an ounce of integrity can clearly see that he is saying that he will have a special prosecutor look into her actions and that he believes those actions are punishable. He is not saying, in any way imaginable, that he would jail her for simply being his political opponent.

That wasn’t what I said kctim. Anybody with an ounce of integrity….. But it is kinda funny we would be having this discussion about Trump isn’t it. I mean according to one of his supporters, Weary, he will throw a bunch of politicians in jail for corruption. I wonder how Weary got this impression? Perhaps the rhetoric Trump uses?

Look kctim what I said was Trump is running for president, Clinton is running for president. The comment Trump made was very clear, I’ll sick my dogs on you. Clinton then counters with we should all be afraid. Trump responds with yes cause you will be in jail. Hence Trump claims he will put political opponents in jail.

So what other presidential candidate has publicly threatened their opponent with additional investigations and jail, implying guilt of course, after the political opposition was cleared by the FBI or wrongdoing? FFS man what does he have to do before you guys see what he does?

Speaking of integrity, why didn’t he say I should go to jail myself as part of the political corruption I have been a part of when I bought influence from the other dozen or so republicans I claimed I paid off during the primaries. The answer…. because when conservatives do it it isn’t fascism… right?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 26, 2016 12:03 PM
Comment #409033

During the convention, Chris Christie, the leader of the transition team for Trump, led a call and response accusing HRC of crimes, to which the crowd shouted ‘Guilty!’ The same crowds chanted “lock her up repeatedly.” They yell that at every Trump rally. “Lock her up. Trump does nothing to discourage this sentiment; in fact, he encourages it. He calls his opponent “Crooked Hillary,” says she should be in jail, and has repeatedly said he would instruct a Special Prosecutor to investigate her. There was already an investigation by the FBI which found no criminal wrongdoing. Clearly, Trump disagrees, and he has made his intentions clear.

He is telling you what he wants to do. He is being quite clear about it. I believe what he says.

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2016 12:42 PM
Comment #409034

Correction: The crowds changed “lock her up.” Adding the word repeatedly just doesn’t have quite the same angry zing.

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2016 12:43 PM
Comment #409035
So, we are to believe that under Obama our justice system works as it should and we should respect its findings, but under Trump everybody would just throw it all away in order to get revenge? Gee, what happened to all that faith in the system you guys had not so long ago?

I have faith in our current justice system. It may not be perfect, but it is far better than anything found in a foreign nation.

Please see Phx8’s comment #409033 for a reason why I have zero faith in a justice system under a hypothetical Trump administration. Presumption of innocence is a cornerstone of American law. What Chris Christie did was an anathema to that tradition. When public figures (including a presumptive Trump administration AG) declare a political opponent guilty and encourage chants that she be imprisoned, it definitely makes one doubt the integrity of a hypothetical Trump Justice department.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 26, 2016 1:08 PM
Comment #409036

When a person says he plans to do bad things to his opponent, you should believe him, especially when he is running to be the most powerful person in the world.

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2016 1:13 PM
Comment #409037

Actually those were announced in 2009, but who counts…

Rocky

Try to keep up Rocky…average premium increase for 2017 is 22%

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2016 1:30 PM
Comment #409039

This DOJ is taking its orders from Obama despite laws in place. Warren appears to accept this as “the best we can do”.

“The Obama administration has not filed a single case to enforce Section 8, even though numerous counties in many states have the same disparities between voter rolls and eligible voters as these two Mississippi counties.”

https://pjmedia.com/blog/justice-department-failure-suit-filed-over-doj-refusal-to-clean-up-voter-rolls/

“Shameful, absolutely outrageous what [Attorney General] Eric Holder has done here. I can’t believe it.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/14/spitzer-this-department-of-justice-a-failure-top-to-bottom-eric-holder-failure-video/#ixzz4ODMC6G4N

“The Inspector General’s report confirms findings by Congress’ investigation of a near total disregard for public safety in Operation Fast and Furious. Contrary to the denials of the Attorney General and his political defenders in Congress, the investigation found that information in wiretap applications approved by senior Justice Department officials in Washington did contain red flags showing reckless tactics and faults Attorney General Eric Holder’s inner circle for their conduct.

“Former Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer who heads the Criminal Division, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, and Holder’s own Deputy Chief of Staff Monty Wilkinson are all singled out for criticism in the report. It’s time for President Obama to step in and provide accountability for officials at both the Department of Justice and ATF who failed to do their jobs. Attorney General Holder has clearly known about these unacceptable failures yet has failed to take appropriate action for over a year and a half.”


Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2016 1:49 PM
Comment #409040

OOps…here’s the link to the last quote in my comment 409309.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/issa-statement-on-doj-igs-findings-of-widespread-failures-by-senior-doj-officials-in-operation-fast-and-furious/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2016 1:50 PM
Comment #409041
This DOJ is taking its orders from Obama despite laws in place.

Uh, no it isn’t. Those links are just opinions of certain people. There’s not a shred of evidence supporting any allegation that Obama’s DOJ is so bad that a certainly ruinous Trump DOJ would be an improvement.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 26, 2016 3:39 PM
Comment #409042

Uh…sorry Warren, the DOJ won’t bring charges as they don’t want their illegal and corrupt actions aired in public by a court. Did you really expect Eric Holder and company to indict themselves?

I’ve never been to the North Pole either Warren, but I believe reports from credible people that it is cold there.

Warren wrote; “Those links are just opinions of certain people.”

Ah, yes…rather like MMGW?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2016 3:48 PM
Comment #409043

Regarding voter fraud, I quoted; “The Obama administration has not filed a single case to enforce Section 8”

Is this opinion too Warren?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2016 3:51 PM
Comment #409044

Royal Flush,

Let’s be clear about Obamacare. It will not be repealed for one simple fact: the prohibitions against denial on basis of pre-existing conditions, limited age related higher premiums and prohibitions against dropping an enrolled person are overwhelmingly favored by the public across all political affiliations. They are also the reasons for the spike in premiums.

Those simple facts explain why Republicans have not passed any bill repealing Obamacare. They cannot provide an alternative acceptable to the general public. The replacement issue presents a huge problem for those wanting to repeal Obamacare. All alternatives proposed by Republicans require the establishment of state “high risk” pools with state subsidies for those with pre-existing conditions and older Americans. When this has been tried, it has failed due to limitations in state funding.

The most reasonable first alternative is to expand the state pools of insured into a national risk pool as originally proposed but nixed by Republicans. The other alternative is to directly federally subsidize those with pre-existing conditions. That has been generally thought to be politically untenable.

As a nation we need to come to grips with this problem. It is not rocket science. Spread the risk across everybody, including those with pre-existing conditions and older Americans, or either allow sick and older to fend for themselves with sky high premiums or directly subsidize them with federal grants for insurance.

What galls me about Republican calls for repeal are that they know that they have no alternative. It is dishonest to imply that there is a better alternative when they absolutely understand that they cannot provide an alternative which provides the same benefits found desirable by the majority of Americans.

Americans understand some very simple facts: they may get very sick, they may have a catastrophic accident, they will age. They are terrified of being without coverage and getting wiped out financially if any of the above occur considering the astronomical cost of health care.

Americans also understand one other simple fact: Medicare is here to stay.

I have one simple question: if Medicare is so popular with all ages and political persuasions, why isn’t it expanded for all age groups? It would make the administration of health insurance more efficient, provide increased buying power for drugs, medical services and relieve the anxiety of millions of Americans.

Perhaps, someday, we will begin to address the elephant in the room which is the astronomical cost of health care. Perhaps, we might begin to expand the number of doctors available. Look up in your state the number of doctors graduated by medical colleges in your state annually. I did. I was shocked to see the how few the number really was. Perhaps, we might begin to eliminate arcane regulations limiting the number of hospitals, MRI facilities, etc. Perhaps, we could actually see what free enterprise can produce in medical cost reduction. Dream on!

Posted by: Rich at October 26, 2016 7:40 PM
Comment #409045
the DOJ won’t bring charges as they don’t want their illegal and corrupt actions aired in public by a court. Did you really expect Eric Holder and company to indict themselves

Pure fantasy.

I’ve never been to the North Pole either Warren, but I believe reports from credible people that it is cold there.
And why should I consider your sources credible enough to suspend my skepticism?
rather like MMGW
Scientific theories are not a matter of opinion. They are logical conclusions reached through the scientific method that must fit with known observations and data.
Regarding voter fraud, I quoted; “The Obama administration has not filed a single case to enforce Section 8”

Is this opinion too Warren?

No, this is the opinion to which I refer:
The Mississippi cases are important.

While in a perfect world, I would rather have voter rolls that are up-to-date with the latest death records, I understand that governments with limited resources may not be able to purge illegible names as often as we would like. As long as there is no evidence that a non trivial number of ballots are actually being cast in the names of those people, I am happy to let the matter slide and let the government focus on more pressing matters.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 26, 2016 9:15 PM
Comment #409048
Perhaps, someday, we will begin to address the elephant in the room which is the astronomical cost of health care. Perhaps, we might begin to expand the number of doctors available. Look up in your state the number of doctors graduated by medical colleges in your state annually. I did. I was shocked to see the how few the number really was. Perhaps, we might begin to eliminate arcane regulations limiting the number of hospitals, MRI facilities, etc. Perhaps, we could actually see what free enterprise can produce in medical cost reduction. Dream on!

Rich, good response. Not only do costs keep going up so do profits and consolidation of insurance companies and hospitals. Obamacare has given these companies a cover to fleece the American people and they take advantage of it. I thought Obamacare limited the increases allowed by these opportunist but it doesn’t seem to be working.

According to Dean Baker “Unlike manufacturing workers, doctors are powerful enough to get protection. It is not generally possible for a doctor trained in another country to practice medicine in the United States unless they pass a U.S. residency program — for which there is a strict quota on foreign trained students.”

The TPP will only cost us in healthcare as it protects the powerful. I say it is time to even things out a bit wiyth fair trade deals that benefit all Americans.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 27, 2016 1:17 PM
Comment #409049

Rich writes;

“They are terrified of being without coverage and getting wiped out financially if any of the above occur considering the astronomical cost of health care.

I have one simple question: if Medicare is so popular with all ages and political persuasions, why isn’t it expanded for all age groups?

“Perhaps, we could actually see what free enterprise can produce in medical cost reduction.”

So many falsehoods. Problem one with Obamacare is that the young and healthy don’t sign up in large numbers because they believe they are invincible. Increasing penalties is clearly government use of power to coerce individual choices.

The CBO determined in 2014 that Medicare, Medicaid and other healthcare programs are projected to surpass Social Security in costs in 2015, and to equal 8 percent of GDP in 2039. Can Rich tell us what the costs will be if everyone is covered under Medicare? Will the coverage be as good in the future as it is now? How satisfying is the VA treatment of our Veterans who deserve the very best treatment available?

Please tell us Rich how socialized medicine and health care is, as you write, “free enterprise”.

I have compared the quality of health care in America, before Obamacare, to other nations with socialized care and we were better in every category.

The Left always ignores the cost of socializing anything such as retirement, health care, education, and such. Spreading the cost means that 50% of Americans pay nothing and are supported by the dwindling number of working, and tax paying citizens.

The Liberalites continue to believe that, with they right policies, they can create heaven on earth. A noble and deeply flawed belief; one never accomplished anywhere on earth at any time, under any government.

Pushing the impossible dream of Nirvana on a ever-lowering standard of living, and increasing number in poverty, keeps the Left in both votes and power.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 3:45 PM
Comment #409050

“Not only do costs keep going up so do profits and consolidation of insurance companies and hospitals.”

What a foolish comment in light of all the health care companies pulling out of Obamacare due to the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 3:50 PM
Comment #409051

Rigging The Election! New Email Confirms Team Hillary Rigs Public Polls Through “Oversampling”

Trump is right and these emails prove it.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/rigging-election-new-email-confirms-team-hillary-rigged-polls-oversampling/#ixzz4OJoCeigG

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 4:14 PM
Comment #409052

RF,

Do you even bother read beyond the headline before you decide to share an article?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 4:39 PM
Comment #409053

LOL…that was a great parry Warren. No defense, just a query that suggests the information in the link is questionable.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 5:07 PM
Comment #409054

Neera Tanden, a political activist and the president of the Center for American Progress, emailed Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta in July 2015 writing…

“Do we actually know who told Hillary she could use private email?” Tanden asked in the hacked emails. “And has that person been drawn and quartered? Like whole thing is f—-ing insane.”

Agreed Neera…Ms. Hillary must have been “insane” to act in such an obviously criminal fashion.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 5:12 PM
Comment #409055

Correction: to act in such an obviously careless fashion.

the information in the link is questionable

Can you even read? I questioned whether you read the content of what “Kosar” wrote. NOT whether the information was accurate.

Here is how to think critically:
Kosar claims “public polling data was rigged”.
Kosar provides us with images purporting to show private communication between various members of Clinton’s campaign team. Now, let’s put aside the question as to whether or not the messages are authentic (even though there remains significant risk that these are Russian fabrications). The purported messages discuss work done by the Atlas Project.

Question: What does the Atlas Project have to do with public polls or the administration of American elections?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 5:34 PM
Comment #409056

CRIMINAL Warped, CRIMINAL! For everybody except Hillary it would be CRIMINAL. CARELESS my A**, it was CRIMINAL.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 5:41 PM
Comment #409057

Warped CRIMINAL for Republicans, Careless for Democrats???

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 5:51 PM
Comment #409058

KAP, it’s not like Clinton took illegal photos from the inside of a sub.

In the words of James Comey: “No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case…To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.” (emphasis mine)

Note, he said security or administrative sanctions. NOT Criminal ones.

Likewise, Comey testified: “There’s no double standard there, and there’s no double standard either in the sense that if it was John Doe, former government employee, you would be in the same boat. We wouldn’t have any reach on the guy. He wouldn’t be prosecuted.”

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 6:01 PM
Comment #409059

Warren attempts another less successful parry by writing;

“Can you even read? I questioned whether you read the content of what “Kosar” wrote. NOT whether the information was accurate.”

You may assume I read the content of what we are discussing Warren. Your no comment on accuracy is telling.

Warren, nuance is certainly not your forte.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 6:06 PM
Comment #409060
You may assume I read the content of what we are discussing Warren
Then why do you blindly copy & paste without doing a rudimentary critical reading of what an article says?

Thus far, I am left to conclude that you are lying when you tell me that you read this thoroughly.

Your no comment on accuracy is telling
The point is that accuracy is not what is being questioned. You have basically told me that the election is being rigged because the sky is blue. Of course, the information that the sky is blue is 100% accurate, but the conclusion being drawn is completely flawed. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 6:12 PM
Comment #409061

Correct Warren, Comey did say; “security or administrative sanctions. NOT Criminal ones.”

OK, let’s just dwell on “security sanctions” for a moment Warren. How does a person who has violated security protocol and subject to “security sanctions” function as president?

Does Ms. Hillary simply say “mea culpa”, get a dispensation from Obama, and then be allowed to see top secret information as president?

Is it really that simple for Liberals? Just forgive and forget even the most egregious acts without facing consequences?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 6:13 PM
Comment #409062

How does oversampling in an Atlas Project poll have anything to do with rigging an election?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 6:14 PM
Comment #409063

Please try to follow the bouncing ball Warren. If polling is rigged, it can and does affect voting patterns and individual votes. Rigged polling is a form of fraud, and if done or condoned by a candidate or their election people, is election fraud.

Too simple?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 6:18 PM
Comment #409064

Warped, CONFIDENTIAL/RESTRICTED on a sub is a HELL OF A LOT DIFFERENT THEN what Hillary had on her server and that sailor got a year and other punishments. So like I said CARELESS for your side but CRIMINAL for everyone else.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 6:21 PM
Comment #409065

Question for My Libbie and MMGW Pals. If, as Obama has stated, Global Warming is the greatest threat mankind faces, why isn’t it on the front-burner of the Clinton campaign?

Why isn’t Global Warming the number one issue among those Americans polled?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 6:22 PM
Comment #409066

How does an individual vote get impacted by an Atlas Project poll?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 6:23 PM
Comment #409067
a HELL OF A LOT DIFFERENT

It certainly is. The former would be very valuable to a foreign military who wanted to sabotage a sub or defeat it in battle. On the other hand, a Hillary Clinton email affirming the existence of a CIA drone program doesn’t reveal much.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 6:26 PM
Comment #409068

Sorry Warren, I refuse to do the thinking for you. Why don’t you take a stab at discovering how false polling affects some voters?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 6:39 PM
Comment #409069

Hint for Warren of false polling affect on some voters.

Why must polling results not be revealed until the polls close? More clues available Warren.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 6:50 PM
Comment #409070

Warped, The foreign military (Russia, China, and others) basicly have the same propulsion plants on their Nucs. that we have so those pictures would have no value. So I suggest that you do some homework before you go spouting off on something you have absolutely no knowledge of.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 7:04 PM
Comment #409071
Why must polling results not be revealed

When/where are Atlas polling results “revealed”?

The foreign military (Russia, China, and others) basicly have the same propulsion plants on their Nucs.

Iran, North Korea (and others) don’t have nuclear submarines.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 7:08 PM
Comment #409072

OK Warren. Play dumb and show your true self.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 7:21 PM
Comment #409073

Warped, I’m sure Russia or China will sell them one if the price is right.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 7:21 PM
Comment #409074

R. F. I think W. P. just likes to argue for the sake of arguing.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 7:24 PM
Comment #409075
OK Warren. Play dumb and show your true self.

It would pay huge dividends to learn how to think critically.

Again, I ask: Where/when are Atlas polls published? Please share a link to a media report. If you cannot demonstrate this, your whole hypothesis falls apart.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 7:28 PM
Comment #409076

I agree Rich as do many on the Left. When their political beliefs are exposed as shams they pull back into their shell and just write nonsense.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2016 7:30 PM
Comment #409077

R. F. EXACTLY!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 27, 2016 7:35 PM
Comment #409078

Show me a contemporary publicized article with the results of an Atlas poll and I’ll gladly concede the argument.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 27, 2016 7:40 PM
Comment #409080

Simple question, Royal. What do you propose as an alternative to Obamacare that provides prohibitions against denial on basis of pre-existing conditions, prohibition against dropping coverage once enrolled, limitations on age related premiums?

Posted by: Rich at October 27, 2016 11:40 PM
Comment #409082

Say Royal the email this Kosar is claiming to prove “election rigging” by Clinton is dated January 17, 2008. Even for desperate conservatives this is stretching. IMHO you need to re-read Warrens advice on critical thinking and apologize for your ignorant comments.

I would say your source is unreliable and outdated. You have been duped by conservative media once again. How many times do you guys fall for this before you wise up?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2016 1:06 AM
Comment #409085

We keep hearing how the MSM is the problem, according to the finest conservative minds here on WB anyway, yet we find the reason is because they aren’t as fast as Faux News to fall for the nonsense that is the conservative media. SO we now have Putin hacking and possibly forging emails and the right wing media lying about everything they can. Yet conservatives blame the MSM!!!!


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/28/the-man-who-duped-trumpkins-fox-news.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2016 11:28 AM
Comment #409090

Rich asks; “Simple question, Royal. What do you propose as an alternative to Obamacare…”

Simple question Rich; are you planning on writing in my name for president on the ballot if I have the “right” proposal?

OH, MY…Comey reopening FBI investigation of Clinton emails.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 28, 2016 2:18 PM
Comment #409092

R. F., We might hope this time Comey grows some balls and doesn’t bow to the A.G. Any so called “Little Person” would have been fried for a fraction of what Hillary has done.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 28, 2016 2:53 PM
Comment #409093

Agree Rich. This is bombshell news. It appears that something has come to the attention of Comey that he just can’t ignore.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 28, 2016 2:56 PM
Comment #409099

RF,

Are you going to answer my question about Atlas polling or not?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 28, 2016 5:01 PM
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