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November is just a month or so away and voters will be forced to make up their minds re the two candidates. Let me see if I can help - - -

Donald got a $1B tax write-off in 2005. How is that possible? Because folks like Senator Hillary who voted on, wrote the tax code made it legal to do so.

Now, Trump has said that from being a businessman he sees where the corruption is in tax law. He is saying he will clean up the loopholes and implement a fair tax system.
Donald did not make the tax laws, Hillary and the establishment did.

Hillary is complaining that young folks are not voting for her in big numbers. Why is that? They have few job opportunities and see little hope for the future. Why is that? Bush and Bill passed NAFTA and moved most good jobs off shore, globalised the hell out of us. Hillary will stick with NAFTA and globalism.

Donald wants to renegotiate NAFTA, lower tax rates for all, develop energy exports which will bring corporations back to this country plus generate new business start ups in this country which will produce many jobs for America. American 1st and so on - - -

Immigrants have flooded thru an open door immigration policy that began with Regan and ramped up thru the WTO, NAFTA and the AFTA's, the North American Union and globalist policies in general. This has not only caused worker wages to be stuck around the 1970's level but has caused grave damage to our national security. Open door led to the world trade center bombings and some kind of attack by radicalized immigrants every few weeks since.

How did this happen? The corpocracy, Hillary and Bill included, implemented policies that include open door immigration. Since Regan the corpocracy has made several attempts at amnesty, always with the support of Hillary and Bill. For years immigration has been the driver for US population growth. Now, the FBI has a watch list of thousands of potential terrorist characters and Hillary has said she wants to increase refugee immigration by some 500%. Hillary has said she will implement amnesty on becoming president.

Donald has said he will get control of all immigration; tighten up the visa system, temporarily stop immigration from a couple of high risk areas, build a wall across the southern border, beef up E-verify, extreme-vet ME refugees and so on - - - This will help those minority citizens who are currently unemployed and underemployed. This will make it way harder for wannabe terrorist to attack the US at will.

The US invested trillion$ and thousands of lives in Afghan and Iraq. All of that was lost when the current admin opted to pull troops from those countries. This led to sectarian violence in Iraq which led to the formation of ISIS. The Taliban is ramping up day after day in Afghan. ISIS has been allowed to spread to some 30 countries with no plan on the table to shut them down. Going so far as to team up with Russia on the battlefield even as Putin laid waste to, and annexed part of Ukraine. John Kerry, DOS, is cutting ties with the admin after finally realizing that current ME policies are self defeating. Why is this? An easy answer here. Poor leadership from POTUS, DOS, and current admin in general. Obama and Hillary, as DOS, pushed weak and ineffective policies throughout the ME having disastrous devastation and huge loss of life. Saudi's air bombing Yemeni's, Soviet's air bombing Syrian's, Libya a fractious terrorist camp and so on - - - Then, we have the lies re the loss of American lives in Benghazi. More recently we were made aware that the Soviet's are holding some 2 years of Hillary's DOS/Clinton Foundation emails. Reason? She was willing to put our national security at risk so as to protect her emails from the Freedom of Information Act with the intent of hiding her conflicting relationship between the DOS and the Foundation. Hillary lied to the FBI and the citizens in saying there was no classified messages sent or received on her private email system. The FBI want let the public see the few emails recovered, allowing only a select few gov't heads to read the emails in a secure reading room.

Donald has promised to rid the world of ISIS in short order. He has never put national security at risk.

Hillary has to protect Obama's legacy as part of the deal. Thus, she can't project change or pose any major change from the status quo. She represents the establishment having served some 30 years in civil service.

Donald represents the change agent and that's what the world is clamoring for. Like the Brits, Trump wants to move us away from globalism, put America first and make America great again.

Come November you get to choose - - -

Posted by Roy Ellis at October 2, 2016 9:16 PM
Comments
Comment #408033
Donald got a $1B tax write-off in 2005. How is that possible? Because folks like Senator Hillary who voted on, wrote the tax code made it legal to do so.

This is one of the most flagrant lies I have ever read on this site. Trump claimed his $1B loss in 1995, five years before Hillary Clinton became a Senator.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 10:02 PM
Comment #408034

Warren, try to understand. The corpocracy has bought and paid for tax loopholes for a couple of hundred years here. Let’s not quibble over a decade or so.

So, I could say further that Hillary didn’t do anything in her career to change the tax code. And, we can be sure the ‘foundation’ has taken advantage of every tax law gov’t has made available to them.

Trump has said he will change the tax code. Hillary and corpocracy wants to maintain the status quo - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at October 2, 2016 10:09 PM
Comment #408036
The corpocracy has bought and paid for tax loopholes for a couple of hundred years here.
This is wrong. Before the Reagan Administration, the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes.
Trump has said he will change the tax code
Donald Trump is lying. I can tell because his mouth is moving.

Hillary Clinton is the only major party candidate committed to changing the tax code. The problem is the fact that a majority of Senators are either Republicans or conservative Democrats. Elect more liberal Democrats to the Senate and you will see the reforms enacted at lightning speed.

we can be sure the ‘foundation’ has taken advantage of every tax law gov’t has made available to them.

What are you even trying to say here? The Clinton Foundation is a nonprofit organization. Nonprofit charities don’t pay taxes.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 2, 2016 10:22 PM
Comment #408037

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/clinton-campaign-admits-hillary-used-same-tax-avoidance-scheme-trump

I guess your are right, Warren.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 2, 2016 10:30 PM
Comment #408042
Now, Trump has said that from being a businessman he sees where the corruption is in tax law. He is saying he will clean up the loopholes and implement a fair tax system.

Roy if your don’t believe most things Trump says why would you believe this. He has a vested interest in seeing the tax code remain “corrupted”,as you say, why on earth would he change it? His tax plan is just the same old regressive taxation we have seen from conservatives for decades now. That isn’t a fair tax system IMHO. On the other hand Clinton has…well …. read for yourself..

“If Donald J. Trump wins the White House and proceeds to persuade Congress to pass his tax agenda, middle-class Americans will get a small tax cut, wealthy Americans and businesses will get a huge tax cut, and the budget deficit will widen substantially unless there is the type of economic boom he promises amid lower taxes and lighter regulation.

If Hillary Clinton wins the White House and persuades Congress to pass her agenda, wealthy Americans will pay higher taxes, businesses will face tax rules that make it less advantageous to relocate overseas, and the money those changes produce will go to fund the rest of her policy agenda, from child care to roads, bridges and other infrastructure.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/upshot/how-hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-differ-on-taxes.html

I would suggest you are projecting onto Trump what you would like to see happen, however it just isn’t so Roy according to what they have said to date.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 3, 2016 1:36 AM
Comment #408055

I recall Christi calling out the ‘little man’ on his 25 second canned spiel. Hillary is similar with her spiel, “I believe every child has a right to live up their full potential” or similar. Over and over, she says this.

Find one person in the world who doesn’t feel the same way. Just a bunch of pretty words like most of her platitudes.

Here she is today saying that the tax code favors the wealthy. She says the tax code rewards companies for outsourcing jobs and investing overseas. Well, hell yeah. Bill and Hill have spent the better part of their lives making sure of that.

J2, help me understand why someone would want to vote for an ex gov’t official that put our national security at risk thru her private email service?

Trump says he will hold those who release classified information accountable. Should Hillary not go directly to jail?

The claptrap she puts out there, “Trump is cheating the public by not paying his taxes” and so on, —- where she finds people to clap and shout and believe her crap is - — astounding.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 1:51 PM
Comment #408057

j2, how much $$ would it take to get Hillary to share one of her speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs?

I’m hoping for an Oct surprise from Jullian Assange.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 2:07 PM
Comment #408058
I’m hoping for an Oct surprise from Jullian Assange. Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 2:07 PM

The surprise might be that the Ecuadorians call Scotland Yard and defenestrate Assange.

New York Magazine today:

WikiLeaks has cancelled a much-anticipated announcement set for Tuesday, citing security concerns at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange lives under effective house arrest in order to avoid extradition over rape allegations.
Posted by: oraoghaile at October 3, 2016 2:16 PM
Comment #408072

I wonder if that security threat comes from Bob Beckel proposing they drone the soft target, Assange?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 3, 2016 6:35 PM
Comment #408076

Yeah, I fear Hil and Bill have the bucks to twist Assange out of his hole. I’m betting that even if they throw him under the jail he will find a way to get his information out to the public prior to the Nov elections.

I would say some good number of bucks changed hands in turning over Trumps tax papers to the NY Times. Would Obama’s IRS do this? Does the NY Times have no morals, and so on- - -

Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 7:47 PM
Comment #408081

Why no outrage at the N. Y. Times? They did the same as Trump in writing off millions in losses a few years ago, O Yea that’s right they are a liberal mouth piece so it’s ok for them to do it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 3, 2016 8:43 PM
Comment #408083

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/02/virginia-illegal-voting-fraud-coverup/

The dems are determined to win at all cost. No way can folks have faith in their gov’t if the voting rolls are corrupted. Maybe Trump can add this to his to-do list.


Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 8:56 PM
Comment #408084

KAP,

No one cares if a business uses a loss in one year to mitigate taxes in the next.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 3, 2016 8:56 PM
Comment #408085

Warped, It’s ok for a liberal business but not OK for Trump’s business?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 3, 2016 9:04 PM
Comment #408086

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/30/virginia-democrat-james-madison-university-student-caught-registering-dead-voters/

WP, depending on he size of the loss it can be used to mitigate taxes over a decade or two, until it is reduced to zero.

Why do dems insist on corrupting the voting rolls?

Posted by: Roy Ellis at October 3, 2016 9:07 PM
Comment #408090

If the billion dollar loss is legitimate, then I have zero problems with Trump using it to mitigate his taxes.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 3, 2016 9:29 PM
Comment #408091

Warped, Likewise for the N. Y. Times.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 3, 2016 9:35 PM
Comment #408092

Nor does the IRS or some 350M citizens. Just Hil and the MSM that seems to have a problem with Trumps taxes. Well, let’s throw in a couple of WB’ers, Clinton worshiper’s and so on - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at October 3, 2016 9:36 PM
Comment #408099
Here she is today saying that the tax code favors the wealthy. She says the tax code rewards companies for outsourcing jobs and investing overseas. Well, hell yeah. Bill and Hill have spent the better part of their lives making sure of that.

SO you say Roy but but the fact is both candidates have had their position, what they plan to do going forward, on taxes analyzed and the results were shown in my last comment. It appears despite all the blustering Trump is the cut taxes for the wealthy guy ,screw the little guy.


J2, help me understand why someone would want to vote for an ex gov’t official that put our national security at risk thru her private email service?

Roy ask your self that same question as the previous administration had two SOS’s that did the same thing. Yet no faux national security risk no faux scandal.

Trump says he will hold those who release classified information accountable. Should Hillary not go directly to jail?

Once again no laws were broken no national security at risk, after years of investigating only smoke and mirrors. So now will you answer my original question? “Roy if your don’t believe most things Trump says why would you believe this.”

j2, how much $$ would it take to get Hillary to share one of her speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs?

Why not ask Trump? He has told us he paid to influence the repubs other candidates for president. I’m sure he knows the going rates.

I’m hoping for an Oct surprise from Jullian Assange.

I remember when it was the September surprise Roy how is that working for you? I hope Mr. Assange doesn’t upset you when he leaks pictures of Trump and his buddies with under aged girls in October.

The dems are determined to win at all cost. No way can folks have faith in their gov’t if the voting rolls are corrupted.

Wow Roy coming from breitbart with yet another claim of voter fraud!!! Haven’t you learned they cannot be trusted to report anything but propaganda? Here is the link to the study (3rd paragraph) I would suggest someone is obfuscating the issue, blowing smoke up your a**, to make you think it is a real issue as there is a law against this already.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 4, 2016 1:31 AM
Comment #408104

Criminal enterprise at the highest level of gov’t. That’s what Trump says and I totally agree with him.

Hillary is out there threatening to create jobs and lower taxes. How can she do that and claim to hold up Obama’s legacy?

Ah Geeezzz! Kerry is out there today complaining about the Soviet’s dropping barrel bombs and chlorine gas on Syria. Only been five years. Why now we wonder?

Posted by: roy ellis at October 4, 2016 9:19 AM
Comment #408105

“Roy ask your self that same question as the previous administration had two SOS’s that did the same thing. Yet no faux national security risk no faux scandal.”

Previous SOS’s set-up and used personal unsecured servers that only they controlled all access to?

Posted by: kctim at October 4, 2016 9:46 AM
Comment #408107
Criminal enterprise at the highest level of gov’t. That’s what Trump says and I totally agree with him.

Say Roy what is it called when someone makes all these baseless accusations with no proof?

What is it called when you tell us you don’t believe much of what Trump says and then tell us you actually do believe what he says despite the lack of any proof?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 4, 2016 9:50 AM
Comment #408108

BTW I have to give you a thumbs up for truthfulness on the title to your post.

Full Definition of factoid

1
: an invented fact believed to be true because it appears in print

2
: a briefly stated and usually trivial fact

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/factoid

Posted by: j2t2 at October 4, 2016 9:54 AM
Comment #408110
Previous SOS’s set-up and used personal unsecured servers that only they controlled all access to?

The fact that Powell used a server accessible to AOL staff is a trivial distinction to make.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 10:52 AM
Comment #408112
The fact that Powell used a server accessible to AOL staff is a trivial distinction to make. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 10:52 AM

Then how about using a server owned by the RNC, agent 00WP.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 4, 2016 11:11 AM
Comment #408114

So Roy help me here on this October surprise thing. I’m looking for the part where Wikileaks says they have some real dirt on Clinton. I’m not seeing it. I’m seeing the part about a lot of misquoting going on. While I can appreciate the dogged determination of conservatives to grow a scandal out of nothing, in an attempt to sway voters into thinking Trump is an acceptable candidate for public office, I am just not seeing it. You guys are beating a dead horse man.

I can understand your motivations, first with the September surprise and as that petered out the October surprise, but isn’t there a point in time when even the dimmest of wit figures out they are being played by movement leaders?


https://www.yahoo.com/news/wikileaks-assange-signals-release-documents-u-election-095105329—sector.html

I mean how much longer do the Trumpsters have to endure the BS? The faux scandals that obfuscate the real issues? The myths misinformation half truths and outright lies that is conservatism today? Their hopes are high and their dreams are big, is it fair to have them come crashing down when the October surprise turns into the November surprise?

Many Trump supporters have to give up reality to continue to buy into these faux scandals that they use to make themselves think their candidate is more worthy than Clinton. It appears to me you guys are taking advantage of these starry eyed hopefuls and it is just plain wrong. Or are you one of them?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 4, 2016 11:25 AM
Comment #408115

So lets look at the conservative utopia of Kansas home of the Donald Trump tax plan. How they doing using that tax cuts for the wealthy creates jobs and prosperity ideology Trump supports? Well as has been the case since implemented in 2010 it hasn’t worked again this quarter…

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/kansas-tax-revenue-falls-67-215500572.html

Posted by: j2t2 at October 4, 2016 11:42 AM
Comment #408116
Then how about using a server owned by the RNC, agent 00WP.

This is also a trivial distinction. The use of an RNC server to conduct government business during the Bush administration was unethical and I would never cast a vote for anyone involved with it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 11:44 AM
Comment #408118

Depends on what went through those private servers former SoS used. If it was private communication I see no problem if it was State Dept. communications then there is a problem.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 1:22 PM
Comment #408119

Internation Business Times today, Assange:

“There is enormous expectation in the United States, Some of that expectation will be partly answered; but you should understand that if we’re going to make a major publication in relation to the United States at a particular hour, we don’t do it at 3 a.m.”

Assange denies that he is targeting one candidate.

I wonder who he could be referring to with that 3am reference, poor old Roy E.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 4, 2016 1:27 PM
Comment #408120

“The fact that Powell used a server accessible to AOL staff is a trivial distinction to make.”

IF there is no difference between the two, then why would Clinton spend millions to set-up and maintain a server, when she could have just spent 5 minutes creating an @aol.com account?

Powell used a server accessible to others.
Clinton set-up and used a server that she controlled access to.

Trivial only to those wishing to prey on those who don’t know the difference between a simple email account and a dedicated server.

Posted by: kctim at October 4, 2016 1:27 PM
Comment #408121
Depends on what went through those private servers former SoS used. If it was private communication I see no problem if it was State Dept. communications then there is a problem.

Classified State Dept business was discussed on private servers during both Powell and Rice’s tenures as Secretary of State.

Powell used a server accessible to others

Again, how does granting AOL employees access to his email somehow absolve Powell from following the law regarding the proper handling of classified information? If anything, it makes things far worse.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #408124

Warped, Who was the idiots who sent the dozen to Powell and 10 to Rice? I don’t see where they used a private server exclusively for both work and private communications. Also in your link it was said that it is a GOVERNMENT WIDE problem that needs to be addressed. So yes some DUMB A** could have sent classified material to their private accounts.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 2:07 PM
Comment #408127
Also in your link it was said that it is a GOVERNMENT WIDE problem that needs to be addressed.

Isn’t the whole kerfuffle stemming the fact that Hillary Clinton failed to address this problem when she was SoS?

Who was the idiots who sent the dozen to Powell and 10 to Rice
I don’t know. I hope they are no longer working in government and have lost their security clearances.
exclusively for both work and private communications
Don’t move the goalposts.
So yes some DUMB A** could have sent classified material to their private accounts.
Just like how a Dumbass named James Sullivan sent information about pending drone strikes to Hillary Clinton’s private account. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 2:21 PM
Comment #408129

Warped, Did Rice and Powell both use private servers for both work and private communications? Not moving the goal post but if Rice and Powell did what Hillary has done they both along with Hillary should be in prison.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 4, 2016 2:33 PM
Comment #408130

“Classified State Dept business was discussed on private servers during both Powell and Rice’s tenures as Secretary of State.”

How do we know that?
How do we know Powell and Rice didn’t delete tens of thousands of their emails hosted by AOL?

“how does granting AOL employees access to his email somehow absolve Powell from following the law regarding the proper handling of classified information?”

It doesn’t, and nobody is saying that it should.

Posted by: kctim at October 4, 2016 2:34 PM
Comment #408131

Well it’s not like you weren’t warned about this kind of stuff.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/04/trump-backers-feel-played-as-wikileaks-fails-to-come-through-on-october-surprise/

Posted by: j2t2 at October 4, 2016 2:39 PM
Comment #408135
It doesn’t, and nobody is saying that it should.

Uh, that is exactly what you are saying. You are saying that it’s OK to store classified information on an unsecured AOL server, but not on a server in a Chappaqua basement or a Secacus, NJ data center.

How do we know that?
The FBI asked Powell for his records and he provided them. Clinton did the same when her data was subpoenaed.
How do we know Powell and Rice didn’t delete tens of thousands of their emails hosted by AOL?
Uh, we don’t know this. In an email to HRC, Powell said, he used “systems that didn’t capture the data”. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 2:53 PM
Comment #408139

“Clinton did the same when her data was subpoenaed.”

Much debate about this Warren. Your comment is is doubt.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 3:44 PM
Comment #408143

J2, I did think ‘factoid’ was a truth. Aw well. I’ll just pass it off like so much other trash being thrown around WB.

Like linking to the Washington Post. That’s a pretty sordid rag to use as it’s widely known to be full of factoids every day.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 4, 2016 4:08 PM
Comment #408145

“Uh, that is exactly what you are saying.”

Sigh. No Warren, it’s not. I never once said it was OK to store classified information on an unsecured server. What I did say is that a free email account hosted by AOL is nowhere near the same as hosting your own server and controlling all access to your email account.
THAT is why neither Powell or Rice could have deleted tens of thousands of emails if they wanted to, as Clinton did.

“The FBI asked Powell for his records and he provided them.”

If he would have refused, who could have been subpoenaed in order to gain access to those emails?

“Clinton did the same when her data was subpoenaed.”

No, she did not. Her and her team spent weeks going through her server that contained her emails and deleting half of them. Half in which classified information was found.

“Uh, we don’t know this. In an email to HRC, Powell said, he used “systems that didn’t capture the data”.”

Uh, do you have the inside to information showing that Powell had access to the AOL servers that housed his emails? You do understand that deleting them out of an inbox is not the same thing as wiping them off a server, right?

Posted by: kctim at October 4, 2016 4:32 PM
Comment #408147

kc, Have you also noticed how reluctant Warren is to accept fact over fiction?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 4, 2016 4:39 PM
Comment #408150
Like linking to the Washington Post. That’s a pretty sordid rag to use as it’s widely known to be full of factoids every day. Posted by: roy ellis at October 4, 2016 4:08 PM

You must have meant to type the Washington Times there, poor old Roy.

Reuters,Berlin
Assange:
speaking via a video link, said the documents would be released before the end of the year, starting with an initial batch in the coming week. He said the material would focus on war, weapons, oil, mass surveillance, the technology giant Google and the U.S. election. he denied the release of documents relating to the U.S. election was specifically aimed at damaging Clinton, saying he had been misquoted.

I wonder who could have misquoted him.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 4, 2016 5:18 PM
Comment #408151
I never once said it was OK to store classified information on an unsecured server

Then why are you defending the presence of classified information on Powell’s AOL account?

THAT is why neither Powell or Rice could have deleted tens of thousands of emails if they wanted to, as Clinton did.

You don’t know that. All Powell would have to do is click on an email and delete it. Like any other commercial entity, AOL wipes its email servers periodically. After that, there would be no record of the email any longer. In fact, it would be many times more difficult for the FBI to recover those emails. Because the clintonemail server did not contain other people’s deleted emails, the FBI was able to piece together several thousand emails from fragments found in the slack space. In the case of an AOL server, those fragments would be mixed with fragments from a million other people.

If he would have refused, who could have been subpoenaed in order to gain access to those emails?
This is not relevant because neither Powell nor Clinton refused to comply with any subpoenas.
No, she did not. Her and her team spent weeks going through her server that contained her emails and deleting half of them. Half in which classified information was found.
Last I checked, Powell’s personal emails weren’t handed over to the FBI either. I assume he also went through a process of separating them out.
deleting them out of an inbox is not the same thing as wiping them off a server, right?
Commercial entities wipe deleted emails from their servers very frequently. To not do so is to waste valuable server space with data that isn’t generating any revenue. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 4, 2016 5:22 PM
Comment #408161

Darn, the Soviets let me down. Think of that. No doubt Assange has some good stuff. Maybe he fears for his life, dunno.

Funny that Hil got the FBI to take her devices. It seemed so crass to hear about her beating up some with a hammer. Better to let her security folks do it. Even MSM can’t put a good spin on breaking them up with a hammer. Environmental hazzard or something like that- - -

Whoops, gotta go watch Pence beat the crap outta Kaine.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 4, 2016 8:57 PM
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