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Obama Bows With The Internet In His Extended Hand

Does the internet facilitate Free Speech?

Would our first amendment right to free speech exist without post roads? Could our nation even begin to coalesce without the circulatory system for free expression and ideas we call our postal system?

I think not, and I defend this position with the U.S. Constitution!

Postal Clause

The Postal Clause was added to the Constitution to facilitate interstate communication as well as to create a source of revenue for the early United States. [2][3]

Our forefathers anticipated the need to facilitate free speech. They did it by making the delivery system a function of the federal government they were creating.

The Postal Clause is a perfect example of how the U.S. Constitution is a living document, and there is no need to change anything! Except our perception.

When I was a kid there was a thing called "Air Mail". We wrote our letter as usual, but we wrote it on tissue paper, and it had a special stamp and a marked envelope designating it as Air Mail.

The U.S. Government came to my house and picked up my Air Mail letter to my PenPal. The U.S. Government delivered my Air Mail to my PenPal. The U.S. Government then delivered my PenPal's Air Mail to my house.

My mother had many penpals and she was proud of her script when she wrote her letters. She entrusted the U.S. Government to deliver her thoughts and ideas to her penpals and none of them gave the U.S. Government's role a second thought.

There was trust that started with the mailbox. There was trust the message was intact and confidential in transit. There was trust it would get to the address provided. This trust was and is placed in the U.S. Postal Service by the framers of this nation and everyone thereafter.

If the trust in the U.S. Postal service has provided the standard of living we enjoy now, why shouldn't it be extended to the internet and e-mail?

Post roads can also be considered the means to establish email addresses and the movement of thoughts and ideas on the internet. Just as the postal clause in the constitution paved the way to free speech, so can the U.S. Post Office provide a means to deliver free expression of thoughts and ideas via. email.

Our founding fathers would never have placed this national treasure, this facilitator of free speech, into the hands of the powers they resisted! They specifically gave this responsibility to the federal government to unite the states and to guarantee free speech.

Do you still think it's the federal government's responsibility to guarantee free speech? Should the federal government establish internet access the same way it established our interstate highway system?

Would you trust the U.S. Government to extend the sanctity of the mailbox to the inbox?

Posted by Weary_Willie at September 24, 2016 12:02 AM
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Excellent post Willie.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 24, 2016 12:06 PM
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Yes, good post, WW.

One that folks should think about before responding, but, oh, what the hell!!

So, back in the day the folks saw the postal service as something needed, something useful in exchange for a small price, well organized, methodical, hired a lot of folks and so on - - -

I think few in the day would have felt the gov’t might use mail as a political tool, spy on folks and so on - - -

Since the NSA has access to more data than they can use, I don’t, at first brush, have a problem with the postal service providing some internet service.

Howsumever, I don’t see where the USPS could provide any better service or efficiency to the current system. So, we have to ask, what might the USPS do to help out.

They might provide cheap or free devices for folks that don’t have, can’t afford email service.

I want to start up a new 3rd party w/a/dif/pol/att that would depend on every member having access to the Internet whereby the party would set up something like a cspan for state and for national party forums. Being able to call for a vote on some issue where all members can participate would be way more efficient and effective rather than having some folks have to go to a library or similar to cast their vote.

But, beyond giving access to the Internet to every person or home, I don’t know what the USPS could do for us. Since the mailbox already provides the expedition of free speech do we need more. Would it be an acceleration of free speech or just another tax burden on those who already have Internet?

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at September 24, 2016 8:33 PM
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Thinking on it a bit more, maybe this email thing could provide the revenue the postal service needs to survive as they are… they already are broke.

UPS and FEDEX make all the money on commercial stuff while the USPS is going broke pushing regular mail delivery. Now, there could be efficiency in scale by contracting the email thing out with USPS oversight.

And, maybe it’s time to do away with all handwritten correspondence whereby everything would have to be scanned to digital or input thru a keyboard and so on - - -

I keep hearing crazi people talk about the President giving the Internet system to the UN. If this is so I’d like to know, and so on - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at September 24, 2016 9:03 PM
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ICANN’s contract is up for renewal. It’s Obama’s job to renew it. ICANN’s function is to assign IP numbers to internet users. Every one needs an IP number to access the internet. No IP number, no internet access. If congress doesn’t act Obama could allow ICANN’s anti-trust exemption to lapse. If the U.N., or any other country for that matter, provides ICANN with it’s anti-trust exemption, the internet will be lost to us forever.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 24, 2016 10:03 PM
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Thanks WW. Strange this hasn’t been in ‘my’ news as I can recall.

Does sound like a basket of worms. Sounds like a good job for Trump. He can ‘fix it’.

It’s just more of this corpocracy’s inability to manage the nuts and bolts of gov’t. If it doesn’t involve big corporations, big institutions, corpocracy isn’t interested.

Sounds like it would be a good sound bite for Donald.
‘Save the Internet from the big bad UN’. Hopefully his staff will pick up on that.

Trump would find ways to put fleas on their dogs, tacks in their driveways and so on, to a point where they would clean up their act and beg him to take them in.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at September 25, 2016 5:54 PM
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I don’t know where you’ve been, roy ellis.

Donald Trump told me about this. Your MSM didn’t.

Donald Trump is why I’m talking to you about ICANN.

I’m glad Donald Trump exposed Obama’s Extended Hand! I’m thrilled you’re finally listening!

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 25, 2016 8:32 PM
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So we don’t know if this is real or if it is Trump??? I mean using Trump as a source of news is like using Fox or Breitbart it just isn’t trustworthy.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 26, 2016 1:20 PM
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BTW Weary, does the USPS have a monopoly as ICANN does? Good to see you acknowledging the USPS is constitutional after all the conservatives actions over the past 2 decades to get rid of it.

I am surprised all you free market advocates are up in arms about this, wouldn’t the invisible hand prevent authoritarian governments from censoring the internet?

Is Trump saying the whole internet is gonna go away!!! I thought ICANN was just a register for IP addresses. Weary this seems to be much ado about nothing. I mean if is it so important to Trump, Congress is after all led by the repubs (Trumps own party), what are they doing to stop this give way?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 26, 2016 1:37 PM
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USPS does have a monopoly on letters, j2t2. And, yes it is constitututional and I haven’t heard of any Republicans trying to get rid of it. I’ve heard them say it’s inefficient and they’re way over budget, but I’ve never heard them say they want to get rid of it.

Do you want the internet to be in the hands of the U.N.? I thought it was our internet, created by our very own Algore. Why would we want to allow it to go to the highest bidder?

I do believe if the U.N. or any other foreign government gained control of the distribution of IP addresses many who may displease will be booted off. ICANN assigns IP addresses. They can also take them away. Do you think ICANN, under the auspices of China or Iran would allow you to have internet access if you spoke poorly of them?

Here’s CBSNews’ take on it.

They’re all for it. They quote people who think nothing could go wrong.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 26, 2016 7:51 PM
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This is NBC’s take on it.

So, No! It’s not just Trump saying this.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 26, 2016 7:53 PM
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Congress could pass legislation that would guarantee ICANN’s non-profit status and the monopoly it currently has. Government doesn’t have to be involved, and isn’t involved in the day to day operations. That could change if a country like North Korea was to offer ICANN a better deal.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 26, 2016 7:57 PM
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The world understands this country is better able to promote the Internet and push for free speech.

Congress will surely act this week to maintain ICANN’s current status.

Trump will work to permatize their status come November. Keep America first and all that - - -

Al Gore’s handiwork has been saved - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at September 26, 2016 8:15 PM
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USPS does have a monopoly on letters, j2t2. And, yes it is constitututional and I haven’t heard of any Republicans trying to get rid of it. I’ve heard them say it’s inefficient and they’re way over budget, but I’ve never heard them say they want to get rid of it.

For starters conservatives have made it hardto turn a profit at the USPS by forcing them to pre-fund health care for 75 years.

Do you want the internet to be in the hands of the U.N.? I thought it was our internet, created by our very own Algore. Why would we want to allow it to go to the highest bidder?

The internet would be in the hands of ICANN, such as it is right now, the only difference is who they get to allow them to monopolize their business. Who cares if it is us or the UN.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 27, 2016 2:31 AM
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So, j2, who does have total control over the Internet so as to make sure the UN wouldn’t widen the scope of oversight and so on - - -?

Irregardless, I don’t see why we should trust any organization/nation to dabble in the Internet.

Let’s let Trump ‘keep American first’ and retain Internet control in this country. The U.S. will do a better job spreading free speech around the world.

The UN should remain a watering hole to discuss world issues. They’ve no business doing anything more, IMO.

Posted by: roy ellis at September 27, 2016 9:53 AM
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Who cares if it is us or the UN.
Posted by: j2t2 at September 27, 2016 2:31 AM

Stoic much, j2t2? Geesh! Clearly you haven’t given that statement much thought.
Do you think Trump would be able to advertise his candidacy for President if the U.N. controlled the internet’s IP distribution?
How about someone advertising their gun store? Do you really think the 2nd Amendment would survive? How about the 1st, j2t2?
Do you honestly believe it would make no difference?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 27, 2016 5:38 PM
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Posted by: Weary Willie at September 29, 2016 9:35 PM
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Blockchain, or something like it could be a stock market goldmine in the future!

Blockchain is related to BitCoin. Blockchain is proposing an internet that is powered by the individual’s own computer, much like the economy is powered by the individual’s wallet.

Blockchain is working on a browser that will create another “internet”! An internet based on the individual’s participation without the need of a 3rd party.

I like the idea of my computer being my computer. I want my information to be mine. I accept the responsibility to protect or share my information as I see fit.

An internet comprised of entities like Blockchain will guarantee the freedom we expect from the “internet”.

These types of enterprises are the future of freedom and the end of the New World Order and Obama’s legacy.

I’m no longer as afraid of this so called turnover of the internet as I had portrayed. Eventually this will unleash enterprises like Blockchain and they will fill the void with the next generation internet! An internet that will not be censored.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 30, 2016 10:56 PM
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