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More Hillary bashing.

Let's see, she claimed to 'not remember' some three dozen times during the FBI investigation. Investigators never asked follow up questions . In so doing Hillary was given a pass on indictment. FBI Director Comey must resign. The Attorney General must resign.

Some DOS staffers and likely some contractors worked to connect the classified DOS communications system to thirteen private communications devices that were not authorized to handle DOS communications unclassified or classified. DOS commo or security had control over these devices. BY law, DOS communications messages are to be accounted for and turned over to the DOS. None of the storage devices were turned to State. An aid to Bill Clinton destroyed one iphone using a hammer. Some servers were wiped clean of message content using a software programe called bleach=bit.

Hillary told the FBI there was only one device while there were 13. Eight were servers and five were iphones. Hillary would have had a phone, Bill would have had a phone, Zuma?, the State/Clinton Foundation employee would have had a phone and a go-fer or two would have had a phone. Other than Hillary these folks have not been questioned by any authority even though, by default, if Hillary had classified information on her device then these other folks would have also.

The DOS Director of Communications, The Director of communications security, the Director of personnel security, and any staffer involved in the installation, training, and use of the illegal communications equipment must be fired.

Hillary stated to the FBI that she depended on staffers to properly handle communications, that she never had any training regarding communications. As DOS Hillary would have had classification authority FOR THE DEPT and every person who originates a message has classification authority/responsibility for that message. Yet, she can't remember about any of that.

Understandably, Hillary and Bill had to have a separate communications system in order to facilitate business between the DOS and Clinton Foundation. They had to get around FOIA. They wouldn't have taken this risk just to pass along charity works such as getting gov't aid for some disease in Africa. The stakes were bigger. Like funneling millions of dollars donations from foreign donors looking for a favor from the administration or from the potential next US president and so on - - -

Those people found to possess classified information outside secure areas and without a proper security clearance should be indicted for same.

Likewise, those people involved in authorizing Hillary to receive classified security briefings should be summarily fired/released.

We here in the middle column are waiting.

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve . . .

Posted by Roy Ellis at September 5, 2016 9:14 PM
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We here in the middle column are waiting.

Posted by Roy Ellis at September 5, 2016 9:14 PM

Good luck with that. As j2t2 wrote recently, HRC45 is obviously the smartest woman in the world, and everyone that has been investigating her are all complete idiots. As I wrote recently, if she’s investigated one more time, she should sue for harassment. It’s too bad members of Congress can’t be sued. They need to do their real jobs, like confirming judges. Texas has many vacancies that they refuse to fill, besides the SCOTUS.

Drumpf wants to get back at journalists for reporting the truth, but HRC45 has to put up with endless lies from the manipulators of the low information voters. When a new accusation or a new variation on an old accusation “comes out” in “news reports”, people have already decided what to believe. The purpose of the accusations is political. Her opposition is literally the worst candidate they could come up with, until next time when they’ll try even harder to come up with someone even worse. Good luck with that too, here in the middle of the right wing column.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 5, 2016 9:49 PM
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oraog, one can’t put at risk the national security of the US, the lives of covert ops personnel, mishandle classified communications in general and expect not to be indicted. Certainly expect not be president, no matter how much money is involved.

Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 10:00 PM
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one can’t put at risk the national security of the US, Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 10:00 PM

Unless it’s being done by people that you agree with politically or for purposes that suit you. Members of Congress can’t be trusted not to release classified information from their briefings. As far as I’m concerned, nothing HRC45 did as Secretary of State should ever be shown to those idiots. We already know they want to use it for political purposes. Most of what the State Department does is secret. Her calendars are available online, which they should not be, IMO. Nothing even remotely like this would be done if it was anyone but HRC. She is going to be the next POTUS. So get ready to holler I HATE YOU over and over again for the next four years, like Hannibal’s father supposedly trained him to do with the Romans. Don’t worry, she’s not going to launch a Punic war against you. That’s something Drumpf would do.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 5, 2016 10:14 PM
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oraog, I find your reasoning irrational. If someone discloses classified information there should be consequences. Disclosing classified information is a crime. Laws should be followed. Doesn’t matter the persons last name. To say that ‘well, we can’t break bad on Hillary because everybody else is doing it is, well, irrational, IMO.

To follow your thinking no one should be prosecuted for disclosing classified information. Where would that get us?

If Hillary felt she didn’t do anything wrong why would she tell the FBI some 36 times that she can’t remember?

I could never be in the tank for someone who put national security at risk. I’m livid that she’s not in jail as we type.

Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 10:34 PM
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I’m livid that she’s not in jail as we type. Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 10:34 PM
I’m livid, but not really, that John Boehner is not in jail for distributing bribes on the floor of the USHOR. We don’t always get what we want, and I hope that Murdoch’s stooges are never able to put people in jail for anything they have tried to use to brainwash people. What exactly is the classified information that “you” claim to have that HRC45 has released? If you don’t actually answer that, instead of ranting about your hatred, you’re going to be ignored like others who rant and then produce absolutely nothing that makes any sense, just quotes from Drudgeland. Posted by: oraoghaile at September 5, 2016 11:00 PM
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one can’t put at risk the national security of the US, the lives of covert ops personnel,…

So Roy specifically why was it ok for the GWB administration to out a CIA agent for political gain yet you complain over a nonexistent covert ops personnel outing on Clintons watch?

When you tell us national security was at risk, what exactly was put at risk at the state department? What covert operations were outed at state dept.? I wonder what, with previous Secretary of States doing the same thing the Hillary bashers are so up in arms about, was actually secret by the time she took office?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 5, 2016 11:01 PM
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Oraog and j2, astounding what you are posting. Why are you so willing to put national security in play as a political toy?

Apply your same reasoning to murder or all things in general. If you don’t have security you don’t have a country. I’m not in a position to detail her disclosures. The FBI has put it in writing that her email consisted of so many confidential and so many secret and so top secret and so on - - - which is way sufficient for me to make a judgement.

Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 11:19 PM
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I suspect in Oct wikileaks will publish some messages that will give us a flavor of the disclosures.

Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 11:21 PM
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I’m not in a position to detail her disclosures. The FBI has put it in writing that her email consisted of so many confidential and so many secret and so top secret and so on - - - which is way sufficient for me to make a judgement. Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 11:19 PM
In other words, your third party is the Know Nothing Party. The FBI director had to be confirmed by a GOP Senate, so we’re stuck with this partisan for ten years. Even he doesn’t trust the USHOR members not to release classified information. He also claims to no longer be a GOP member. I wonder why.

Someone who has written his support for Drumpf should never write about using our national security as a political toy. Drumpf creates international incidents for his own fun and profit. His “campaign” for POTUS is probably the only thing keeping him out of jail. Then, after he loses the election, is when we’ll face the possibility of a Presidential candidate being arrested, although he’s supposedly rich, and will probably only get a fine. Maybe Russia or China will pay it for him.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 5, 2016 11:34 PM
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You are grasping at straws, oraog…

Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 11:38 PM
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I suspect in Oct wikileaks will publish some messages that will give us a flavor of the disclosures. Posted by: roy ellis at September 5, 2016 11:21 PM

And you’re fine with that because you believe that the end justifies the means. You are definitely a GOP member now. Assange has a grudge against HRC45 and you’re being manipulated, just as Drumpf was manipulated by Putin through Manafort.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 5, 2016 11:40 PM
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Oraog and j2, astounding what you are posting. Why are you so willing to put national security in play as a political toy?

Roy, such a nice diversion, but I would suggest conservatives have made this a political toy for months now. Once again what national security was put at risk? You guys have cried wolf for so long you have zero credibility.

Where was your outrage about national security when the GWB administration…. You sound silly asking me about national security as a political toy after defending the GWB administration.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 6, 2016 12:11 AM
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j2t2 writes a silly question…”Once again what national security was put at risk?”

My Friend, the exact nature is redacted in every release by federal agencies. Would you prefer it otherwise?

Is j2t2 stupid enough to repeat classified information even if he could get his hands on it?

I find it humorous that my Leftie Pals mention GWB as a possible violator of national security.

Is GWB running again?

Is it possible that the Left would use George W. Bush as their poster boy for what is right and what is wrong?

Yes…my friends, counsel Hillary to follow George’s lead.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 6, 2016 2:30 PM
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what exactly was put at risk at the state department

As RF notes, there is no way to know officially as long as the documents are redacted. However, the common rumor is that most of the top secret emails discuss upcoming drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan. Because of the sensitive nature of our relationship with the governments there, the CIA does not acknowledge that the US is responsible for any of these targeting killings. This gives the Yemeni and Pakistani governments the sliver of plausible deniability that allows them to pretend they aren’t collaborating with the US.

Because the drone strikes were imminent, there is a small window whereby someone who had infiltrated her server could have tipped off the targeted terrorists, but to be honest, the chance of that is astonishingly small. The real ruckus here has to do with the mere principle of it all. The CIA had a very clear policy of keeping the very existence of the US’s drone program officially unacknowledged and HRC completely undermined that effort.

Also, at least one of the emails was classified because it contained the details of a phone conversation Clinton had with the President of Malawi. While Malawi isn’t the most geopolitically relevant nation, it is standard policy to classify anything spoken privately by a foreign leader as top secret. HRC should have paid more respect to those rules.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 6, 2016 3:20 PM
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Enough Hlllary bashing for today. Following is a link to a review of a new book that the intellectually curious may find interesting. It hails both Kennedy and Reagan as having the right stuff when it came to boosting the American economy. We need some of that today.

JFK and the Reagan Revolution: A Secret History of American Prosperity

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2016/09/05/book-review-larry-kudlow-and-brian-domitrovics-jfk-and-the-reagan-revolution/#244750376816

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 6, 2016 4:07 PM
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However, the common rumor is that most of the top secret emails discuss upcoming drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan. Posted by: Warren Porter at September 6, 2016 3:20 PM

On your Vice News source from Wikipedia

Rick Edmonds, media and business analyst at the Poynter Institute, critiques that Vice News’ reportings are “raw and tasteless sometimes, on topics where traditional news media look to provide balance, Vice often offers journalism akin to personal essays.” Other critiques mention that their work is more affiliated with entertainment rather than hard-hitting news.
Editor of the New York-based Foreign Policy Association Robert Nolan, stated that Vice’s North Korea reporting was “more ‘Jackass’ than journalism,” (referring to the Jackass TV series), in a 2013 opinion piece for U.S. News and World Report.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 6, 2016 4:24 PM
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I heard a great comment today regarding Hillary and her loss of memory when interviewed by the FBI.

How can one claim to the the most experienced candidate when that candidate can’t remember what they have done?

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 6, 2016 5:21 PM
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The original source for the rumors is reporting done by Adam Entous and Devlin Barrett for the Wall Street Journal. I feel that Jason Leopold’s article published by Vice Media did a good job marrying the earlier report with the most recent revelations from the FBI investigation.

It’s not exactly a new revelation that drone strikes are among the classified information:

The drone exchange, the officials said, begins with a copy of a news article about the CIA drone program that targets terrorists in Pakistan and elsewhere. While that program is technically top secret, it is well-known and often reported on. Former CIA director Leon Panetta and Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, have openly discussed it.

The copy makes reference to classified information, and a Clinton adviser follows up by dancing around a top secret in a way that could possibly be inferred as confirmation, the officials said.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 6, 2016 6:35 PM
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Some vaguely worded messages from U.S. diplomats in Pakistan and Washington used a less-secure communications system….The vaguely worded messages didn’t mention the “CIA,” “drones” or details about the militant targets, officials said.

Why post this in the first place? Are you claiming to be publishing classified information? Warren Porter, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.

Posted by: oraoghaile at September 6, 2016 7:05 PM
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My Friend, the exact nature is redacted in every release by federal agencies. Would you prefer it otherwise?

So we can agree Royal that we cannot detetrmine what if any damage has actually been done to national security….am I right?

BTW thanks Warren for the info on what may have been at risk. I really didn’t know what potentially could have been compromised.

Is j2t2 stupid enough to repeat classified information even if he could get his hands on it?

NO but I am stupid enough to not want everything classified as secret. I am also stupid enough to understand why these people, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton, would take to a private email server. These people want to keep things secret from the people of this country and the world. Perhaps to much so. Perhaps justifiably so. After all look at the lengths repubs are willing to go to get something on Clinton, maybe that is part of the problem. Extremism is a vice IMHO.

I find it humorous that my Leftie Pals mention GWB as a possible violator of national security.

Well his State Dept. did the same thing with private email servers. Not to mention the Plame scandal. Where was your outrage then Royal?

Is GWB running again?

NO thank God. It does seem however the businessman as president approach is still popular with repub/conservatives. First time shame on you, second time … really a second time!! While Trump was the best the repubs had to offer one has to wonder about you guys.

We also have to look at the party as a whole and some history of what they do when the lead the country. Don’t you kinda wonder if you guys haven’t learned a thing since the turn of the century? Doubling down with Trump seems to suggest you haven’t.

Is it possible that the Left would use George W. Bush as their poster boy for what is right and what is wrong?

I brought up GWB because it clearly shows the hypocrisy of repubs who didn’t have a problem voting for GWB despite their outrage at Hillary for doing the same basic thing they are so riled about now. A few short years ago they favored private email servers with their vote. Now they have a fit, hypocrisy perhaps?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton

Yes…my friends, counsel Hillary to follow George’s lead.

Not Hillary, my friend, Trump, which seems to be happening. What is the difference between GWB and Trump on most issues. GWB even had more experience than Trump at running a country.

The point Royal and Roy is we are witnessing a faux scandal created by conservative propagandist to obfuscate the real issues. I am saying to you guys, don’t fall for it. Move on, look into the candidates position on real issues. Call them out on that. Debate the pros and cons of their positions instead of the nonsense. Why is that a problem for you guys?

This grasping at straws indicates the desperation many on the right fell because somehow the best man for the job of repub candidate for president has shown himself to be a Divider not a Uniter.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 7, 2016 1:23 PM
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There is nothing “faux” about the classified information found in some Hillary emails.

Does my Pal j2t2 understand the difference between the handling of official correspondence and private correspondence by a government official?

We have been discussing “real issues” j2, sorry you missed it. The subjects (economy, taxes, education, individual rights, legal and illegal immigration, border protection, energy policy, jobs, etc) were interesting.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 7, 2016 2:31 PM
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