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The White Males Who Matter to Hillary

Hillary has given up on men. Ok, we can get a little more granular. Hillary Clinton does not really need white male voters in order to reach 270 electoral votes and win the presidency in November. If things stay as they are right now in mid-August. She’s handed off the task of limiting her damage among white working-class voters to Joe Biden, while she continues to titillate and tweak her identity-politics demographics: African-American, latino, non-white voters in general, and millenials as well. Oh yes, the female vote is trending solidly her way, according to polls.

But there is a group of mostly white voters, who are also male in the majority, who are also leaning strongly Hillary's way. The beltway insiders. Yes, your well-dressed Washington insider with shoes worth more than most monthly salaries on main street, favors Hillary Rodham Clinton, according to a poll by Echelon Insights. Why? Because she won't upset the status quo, that's why. To the tune of 62% to Trump's 22%, they support Hillary.

There was a time back a few months ago when beltway insiders - especially those who supported the GOP - favored Trump over Senator Cruz for precisely the same reason. We can work with The Donald, seemed to be the prevailing wisdom. Ted Cruz is a dangerous ideologue they would mutter. Just look at his record in the senate. But since then, Trump has managed to convince them that he's not at all about business as usual. Whether that was his intention or not.

This has been quite the year. With Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump having explicitly threatened politics-as-usual from somewhat different but not symmetrically opposed perspectives. Since the start of the summer of 2015, it has been a time of rebellion on the part of voters angry with the way the nation's business has been conducted. And not just over the last 7 and a half years of the Obama administration.

Was it all in the end just a lot of venting? We won't know for a while. We won't really know even in November. As Hillary's campaign cruises into Labor Day, trying hard not to look smug after a series of recent polls that still show her with - in Nate Silver's headline - a clear and steady lead. Despite slipping a point or two in some polls.

That underlying voter anger, however, is real and still present. It only needs another spark to erupt again into a brushfire. Maybe Hillary will manage to win in November. Maybe fairly easily. But there's a few debates, and the much rumored October surprise by Russian-loving hackers, all yet to come. It is still too early for D.C. consultants and lobbyists to relax at their well-heeled retreats. Even if they would love it if the election were held tomorrow. But they can take comfort from one indisputable fact.

To Hillary Rodham Clinton, they're the only white males who matter.

Posted by AllardK at August 17, 2016 12:16 PM
Comment #406870

Allardk, while this election will go down as the most ______ election in our history what is happening is fairly predictable.

Factors leading up to this election are: $20T debt, recession/depression, inequality similar to the 1920’s, several millions of the best paying jobs lost, falling/stagnant wages for the working folks, half the country on some kind of federal assistance and so on - - -

History tells us that when folks get desperate about things in their lives they will take action. Often they will look for a political savior. This can be good or bad depending on the savior.

Luckily, we live in a country where political saviors are subject to the law of the land. I’m not the least bit worried about a Trump presidency as he can be impeached if he gets out of hand. Indeed, Hillary might get impeached re her emails should Trump becomes president. Otherwise, she gets a pass …

It’s been so biggly entertaining and the drama - - -

I can’t wait to hear about Hillary’s emails and to get some insight into the Clinton Foundation/DOS operations. ‘Fact is better than fiction’.

Even the olympics has been bigger than usual this year. A great time to be alive, IMO - - -

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 17, 2016 8:30 PM
Comment #406879

Roy, my apprehension with Hillary is the composition of the Supreme Court should she get to pick very liberal nominees and have them confirmed.

That could make “political saviors” subject to a new interpretation of Constitutional law.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 18, 2016 3:47 PM
Comment #406880

While the Libbies on WB discount obamacare falling apart, it will become a big issue before election day.

“Andrew Ferguson of the Weekly Standard did a great job characterizing the Obama administration’s “Rube Goldberg mechanisms” with regard to Obamacare. Specifically, Ferguson said, “the reason rates haven’t gone through the roof already is that the government has been paying off the insurance companies so they wouldn’t raise rates. Now the government isn’t going to be doing that anymore. So what the hell did you expect?”

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 18, 2016 4:29 PM
Comment #406884

The corpocracy went into the 2016 elections thinking it would be business as usual. The dems ran Bernie and the milk toast guy from Baltimore. Who could be less threatening? But then, along came Trump and the corpocracy is trying to get their ducks in row to deal with him.

They were so sure they had another 4 or 8 years of globalism in the bag. Who could protest at that point?

Now the Brits are backing out of the EU and other countries are mulling it over, rebelling against forced immigration and so on - - -

A lot riding on this Trump fellow, IMO.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 18, 2016 5:49 PM
Comment #406887

Trump got his start as a Birther. He promoted racism.

He continued promoting racism with his famous comment about Mexicans being rapists and criminals.

He created controversies, yet he proved to be thin skinned and unable to take criticism. He engaged in name calling on a level never before seen in modern politics, thereby dragging down the political discourse to new lows. And he is not finished.

He is single-handedly destroying the GOP, and yet, the GOP is at fault for nominating a person with literally no political experience. Trump is not only unfit in those terms, he is also utterly unfit in terms of temperament.

Posted by: phx8 at August 18, 2016 7:32 PM
Comment #406889

Trump gave a speech, off a prompter, tonight that is worthy of a Regan or kennedy speech.

I mean, he put a pig in every poke, sometimes two pigs and a pear tree.

He sure has a lot of energy for his age.

His staff is starting to fire on all cylinders. He will be in Baton Rouge tomorrow which is indicative on the campaign taking advantage of opportunities as they come.

Meanwhile, Obama and Hillary are doing one of those ‘Brownie, how’s it going down there’ things.

Can you believe the audacity of a GOP nominee standing up and asking the black community to vote for him?

Can you believe Trump is taking debate lessons?

Enough to short circuit some minds, and so on - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 18, 2016 9:48 PM
Comment #406890

“Can you believe the audacity of a GOP nominee standing up and asking the black community to vote for him?”

Too bad Trump could not go to a black community and give that speech to a black audience. Instead, he gave a speech about what is wrong with black people to a white audience in a white town. No surprise there. He has refused to speak to the NAACP. His audiences are almost exclusively white. In a recent poll he attracted one percent of the black vote. One. Percent. In a recent poll in OH & PA, not one black person supported him. Zero. Just as a statistical matter, that is simply incredible.

Trump promotes racism, and now with Banner from Breitbart aboard, it will get even worse.

And roy, Trump is terrible on a teleprompter. Even Hillary is better than him, and she is not all that good.

But going to LA is a smart move for Trump, just as a matter of optics. I will give him that.

Posted by: phx8 at August 19, 2016 12:05 AM
Comment #406894

This is just for phx8…

Paul Singer’s Elliott Management ($28 billion fund founded in 1977) warns that the bond market is “broken” and that when the central bank actions of recent years no longer ward off a market downturn, the subsequent loss of confidence could be severe.

Too much power has been ceded to central banks, the value of money has been debased, inflation is probably inevitable, and when it happens, it could be swift and impossible to tamp down.

Given the persistence of low or negative yields on government and other bonds and the continued stampede to buy them nonetheless, today’s environment marks “the biggest bond bubble in world history,” and “the global bond market is broken”

Excerpts from Elliot Management to investors.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 19, 2016 1:37 PM
Comment #406895

“As Trump pointed out in his speech in Milwaukee earlier this week, all of the nation’s failed cities — Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland, Memphis, Milwaukee itself — have been under Democratic control for decades.

Milwaukee, for example, has been Democratic since 1908. Do you suppose that there is a connection between the disasters — the poverty, the crime, the corruption — that have engulfed these cities, and the political complexion of their leadership? Or is it merely fortuitous?”

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 19, 2016 2:45 PM
Comment #406896

Obama doesn’t lie. Hillary doesn’t either.

We do not pay ransom. We didn’t here, and we won’t in the future.”
“If you like the health plan you’ve got, you can keep it.”
Abandoning an ambassador to the mob in Benghazi was the fault of a homemade video.
The regime in Syria better not cross the red line if Assad knows what’s good for him.
There’s no such thing as radical Islamic terrorism.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 19, 2016 3:10 PM
Comment #406897

The Advocate, a Louisiana newspaper chain, published an editorial calling on the president to come to the state to see the horrible flooding first-hand. It read, in part:

We’ve seen this story before in Louisiana, and we don’t deserve a sequel. In 2005, a fly-over by a vacationing President George W. Bush became a symbol of official neglect for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The current president was among those making political hay out of Bush’s aloofness.

Sometimes, presidential visits can get in the way of emergency response, doing more harm than good. But we don’t see that as a factor now that flood waters are subsiding, even if at an agonizing pace. It’s past time for the president to pay a personal visit, showing his solidarity with suffering Americans.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 19, 2016 3:30 PM
Comment #406898

Paul Singer runs Elliott Management, a hedge fund that is also known as a vulture fund. He likes buying distressed securities. Since 2014 he has been saying everything about the economy is fake and propped up. We are now halfway through 2016 and Mr. Singer is still waiting.

Once could argue that we are seeing- or are going to see- a debt bubble. With interest rates so low, it makes sense for anyone thinking about taking any kind of loan to take it now. Rates are not likely to go lower and inflation might erode the value of the loan and make it easier to pay back in cheaper, future dollars.

The risk is the same now as it has been for the past eight years- deflation. Not inflation. Deflation. That is what so many failed to understand, and why so many predictions about inflation and an economic crash have turned out to be so wrong.

But what about the future? What will be the signs of a debt bubble?

One would be speculative investing in real estate. Remember all those people flipping houses who were real estate geniuses? I used to hear them talking it up at the gym. They aren’t there anymore. Like any other form of investing, real estate eventually punishes stupid people.

We could be entering the last phase of the bull market, capitulation. A record amount of cash is on the sidelines, and the most attractive instrument out there is the US equities markets. After Labor Day we could see a ‘melt up.’ Originally I predicted a 20,000 DJIA, and we are not far from that right now. PE ratios are running high, but we are still not seeing the kind of talk that characterizes an approaching top- ‘market cycles no longer apply,’ or ‘we are heading for a 30,000 DJIA.’

The biggest single short-term threat is an unforeseen external event throwing the election to Donald Trump. That is very unlikely, but if that happens, the equity markets and the dollar will go down, and go down fast.

Posted by: phx8 at August 19, 2016 5:06 PM
Comment #406900

Important Supreme Court decision in G.G. v. Gloucester County School Board.

“…the Department of Education threatened the school district with the loss of $6 million in federal funding if the district did not let the male student use the girls’ locker room.”

“Students should not be forced to sacrifice safe, private spaces because the government values the agenda of special interest groups over these students’ constitutional right to bodily privacy.”

Can anyone imagine or believe that our Founders, or any of the Patriots, believed this was the government power and majesty they imagined or fought for?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 20, 2016 3:26 PM
Comment #406901

RF, you would think liberals would want to protect their privacy re bathroom issues.

Only hope we have to shut this pc stuff down is for Trump to win in Nov.

We really need to get the fed out of the school business. Seems neither dems nor reps are interested in that. That power is just too much to give up.

Posted by: roy ellis at August 20, 2016 5:48 PM
Comment #406902

Roy, we need to get the Fed out of not only the school business, but our of much more of our daily lives.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 20, 2016 7:21 PM
Comment #406903

“The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize.”
George Washington Farewell Address

Much of the address, including this passage, was written by Alexander Hamilton. Washington and Hamilton were Federalists. They favored a strong central government as the fundamental basis of liberty.

Posted by: phx8 at August 20, 2016 7:33 PM
Comment #406904

They favored a strong central government as the fundamental basis of liberty.
Posted by: phx8 at August 20, 2016 7:33 PM

How dare you speak of “liberty” when you support a political party and philosophy that stands for tyranny thru government excess.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 21, 2016 4:08 PM
Comment #406905

Obamacare has gone from the president’s greatest achievement to a ‘slow motion death spiral’

It will be enlightening for undecided voters to watch the implosion of obamacare between now and November when new much higher rates are announced.

Obamacare was a failure from the beginning. My Leftie and Socialist Pals will holler and shout, along with Her Highness Hillary, that more government spending and higher taxes will save this red herring.

HO HUM…more money, higher taxes, and more regulations are always the solution of those who wish to destroy our Republic.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 21, 2016 4:29 PM
Comment #406906

Eeeek! ANOTHER death spiral! Oh noz!

Obamacare death spiral articles: 1/2/14, 1/14/14, 3/30/14, 1/11/15

Obamacare rate hikes would doom it: 3/20/14, 12/27/14, 7/16/15

Co-Op failures would doom Obamacare: 11/4/15

These are in Media Matters, although the same articles are available from various other sources.

Before 2014 we had a whole host of similar articles, ranging from death panels, to no-one signing up.

But that’s the awesome thing about being conservatives. One can have the memory of a gnat and repeat the same things year after year, no matter how often it turns out to be wrong, and next year repeat the same thing again without even wincing.

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2016 11:33 PM
Comment #406907

“How dare you speak of “liberty” when you support a political party and philosophy that stands for tyranny thru government excess.”

I support the same approach advocated by Federalists like George Washington, John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton. Curiously, the opponents of Washington, Adams, and Hamilton also accused them of being tyrants, and imposing a federal government on the states. Even then, it was the state right of slavery that helped drive those objections. The curse of racism and bigotry was with us then, and it is with us now. That is part of the reason why a strong central government is the greatest guarantor of our rights and liberty.

If you want to talk about the Founding Fathers, why not spend a little time learning about them. Invoking them without understanding what they said is unconvincing, to say the least.

Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2016 11:37 PM
Comment #406909

^ This

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 22, 2016 5:09 AM
Comment #406911

My Leftie Pal phx seems to believe that the Founders he named would find agreement with the corruption and political tyranny his party represents. Unfortunately phx8 equates government tyranny and excess with Federalism.

As for Obamacare imploding my good Pal phx8 can’t read the handwriting on the wall or on the side of the barn he is so unfocused by his liberal myopia. He refuses to believe the insurers that say they are pulling out of the Ponzi Scheme or the huge increase in premiums that are coming soon to a citizen near you.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 22, 2016 12:14 PM
Comment #406912

Royal, seems to think political tyranny is one sided, that conservatives didn’t start the corruption train running full speed with the Reagan administration. That a conservative SCOTUS didn’t open the flood gates for bribery with their money is free speech decisions. SO Royal do you actually believe it isn’t tyranny when you do it or, are you so blind you cannot see what your team has done over the years?

Royal Obamacare tried to fix the rising costs but fell victim to corporate corruption IMHO. The Aetna threat of pulling out of the exchanges because they may not be allowed to monopolize the health insurance market is a problem that was coming with or without Obamacare.

The free market and health care as a commodity has caused this country to have the most expense system in the world, not the best just the most expensive. People like you played a big part in that. I mean 777 million in profit for one quarter isn’t enough for Aetna! When you add the profit from the rest of the system it is a fleecing not a system we have.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 22, 2016 2:37 PM
Comment #406918
But that’s the awesome thing about being conservatives. One can have the memory of a gnat and repeat the same things year after year, no matter how often it turns out to be wrong, and next year repeat the same thing again without even wincing. Posted by: phx8 at August 21, 2016 11:33 PM

Repeating the same thing over and over again is called SPAM. When it’s done repeatedly in a forum like this it’s called TROLLING. I don’t know why you pay attention to people who do that over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Also, when a person posts again after they just posted, and before anyone else posts a response, they’re CLEARLY not interested in having a discussion. Then the person posts again, without anyone having responded at all, filling up the forum with garbage posts for the sole purpose of contradicting rather than discussing anything. SO, trolls turn a discussion forum into something that’s not worth reading, making the site useless. That is the purpose of those posts. No real discussion happens. You can see how many people are posting here compared to the number in previous years. After the problems a week ago, I contacted the editor and told her they should just shut the website down.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 23, 2016 10:33 AM
Comment #406920

I doubt you will hear from the site owner. Several weeks ago, I sent an email asking for writing privilege for the middle column as I felt the blue column was an inappropriate place for me to publish my essay endorsing Gary Johnson, but I have yet to hear back. For better or worse, this site is running on autopilot with no one at the helm.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 23, 2016 10:59 AM
Comment #406921
For better or worse, this site is running on autopilot with no one at the helm. Posted by: Warren Porter at August 23, 2016 10:59 AM

I got a response from someone named Elizabeth when posts were being held/blocked/not posted, but there was no follow up response. I think the site could run well enough with no one at the helm if people would stop responding to the nonsense posts. It just makes it worse and worse with fewer people.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 23, 2016 11:25 AM
Comment #406922

oraperson, I will stop posting comments if I am requested to by a majority of WB regulars.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 23, 2016 5:44 PM
Comment #406923

“I will stop posting comments if I am requested to by a majority of WB regulars.”

Why would anybody want that?


Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 23, 2016 10:59 PM
Comment #406928

Rocky, orao wrote that I do spam and trolling making the WB site “useless”. Just wanted to know how others felt.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 24, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #406929


Spam? Seriously?

While I would have you learn to lose a bit more graciously, everybody is entitled to their opinion.

We have, you and I, been here as long as anyone, and longer than most.
We disagree, so what…

I hate to see what has happened to this once thriving community.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 24, 2016 4:16 PM
Comment #406930

Rocky, lose more graciously…LOL

We have sadly lost many commentators. Frankly, I don’t know why. As individuals we expect others to have differing opinions from our own. When it comes to religion and politics, those opinions are usually deeply felt and heartily defended.

So What!

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 24, 2016 4:28 PM
Comment #406932


Either the rise of the internet hasn’t been the all enlightening panacea we all thought it would be, or the American people are just dumber than we all thought.

“If it’s on the internet it must be true…”

My God how sad is that?


Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 24, 2016 4:54 PM
Comment #406934

Agree Rocky, Americans are becoming dumber. I blame parents and the federal Department of Education.

“The results from the 2012 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), which are being released on Tuesday, show that teenagers in the U.S. slipped from 25th to 31st in math since 2009; from 20th to 24th in science; and from 11th to 21st in reading, according to the National Center for Education Statistics, which gathers and analyzes the data in the U.S.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 24, 2016 5:22 PM
Comment #406941

Hi Warren, I responded and updated your permissions on Aug. 11. Please check the spam folder in your email from Let us know if you’re still having trouble. - Liz

Posted by: Liz at August 24, 2016 8:27 PM
Comment #406952

Aha, I have indeed rescued your message from my spam folder. Thank you! And Mea Culpa for believing that nobody was at Watchblog’s helm.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 25, 2016 12:40 PM
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