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Trump says he will be the ‘law and order’ president. Do we ever need some law and order. More importantly we need to restore better morals, integrity and so on, to the nation. Not easy to do. If Trump loses this election it will set us on a path of ever diminishing quality of life as we have known it.

Don't know that Trump could do much more than serve as a bully pulpit for 'law and order'. Hard to get a handle on the drug business without having strong borders.

According to John Walsh we have the distinction of being the top child sex country in the world. And, I'm sure the US is the biggest user of drugs of all sorts.

Some 1700 folks a year are killed thru road rage. Is it from more red lights or more folks that can't control themselves in society?

Civics is not taught in the schools any longer and religion is being pushed to the back burner. These are systemic to the lack of law and order and not easily or quickly put back in place.

The 'evangelicals' are putting their money on Trump, an unlikely candidate to restore morals and integrity to the country. But, he is the only chance we have for the foreseeable future.

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 12, 2016 9:01 PM
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Comment #406796

What does that mean Roy, “law and order” president? Will Trump seek to enact more restrictive federal level laws on drugs? S*x? Road rage? Teaching civics in school? Teaching religion in schools?


Conservatives and their need to test students and cut taxes has lead us cutting civics classes out of schools IMHO. Cutting liberal arts programs seems to have led to a lack of morals and integrity as well hasn’t it?

The problem starts with leadership Roy and our business and civic leaders have let us down since the days of Reagan . When the Reagan revolution ushered in a new era of corruption in government what did conservatives think was going to happen out in the heartland?

I think religious leaders of the Reagan era let the country down with the constant scandals and the involvement of preachers in politics. Then we saw religious leaders turn to preaching for dollars as time went on. Is it any wonder the middle class has turned their backs on religion as a moral influence?

Politicians just don’t seem to have the integrity they use to have by and large, what with the costs of running for office requiring them to sell themselves for money to run for office. Once again it was during the Reagan era that we turned to the greed is good mentality that seems to have infected our political system.

We agree that Trump is not the morals and integrity candidate, what I would suggest is evangelicals that vote for Trump seem to be lacking in integrity as well. Saying one thing and doing another seems to be ok with them as long as they vote repub.

Let us not forget Trump was the best of the bunch the repubs had to choose from so morals ethics and integrity isn’t a strong point on the right side of the aisle.

The Dems, Green party and Libertarians don’t seem to have such a lack of integrity problem as the Repubs do IMHO. Look at how scandal free the Obama administration has been compared to the Reagan era. Why would you say Trump is the only chance when history and the facts tell us Clinton has much more integrity than Trump? The other two parties
would also be a better choice than Trump if morals and integrity are the requirements of the American voter.


Posted by: j2t2 at August 13, 2016 3:14 PM
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I responded J2, but WB confiscated my post. If it don’t show soon I’ll send it again.

Re education; how was it that back in the old days schools were able to teach civics, gov’t and math? Even had a typing class in HS. And, that was back before we had all these conveniences like cars, phones, wordsmith and so on. Today you’ve got some millions of people poking on a computer keyboard with two fangers. Ain’t it so?

Posted by: roy ellis at August 13, 2016 4:29 PM
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Hey Roy, girls were offered classes in cooking and home management and boys could learn a trade. Like you Roy I took typing and have used and appreciated that skill all my working life.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 13, 2016 4:39 PM
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J2 & Royal, WB ate the post again. Dunno why.

Saw Ben Stein on the tube and he seemed to be saying that it’s alright with the Clinton’s making big bucks and using their political clout/influence to do it. He says that’s the way sausage is made and has been throughout history.

Says he has given plenty of speeches and you tell them what they want to hear, and so on - - -

I could agree with him but there are laws on the books to supposedly prevent/limit such dealings. Why would the Obama admin ask Hillary to sign an agreement that she would operate DOS so as to prevent a conflict of interest with the Clinton Foundation? Is that just for public consumption?

Yes, influence peddling goes on but should it be allowed on a scale such as the Clinton’s have attained?

Posted by: roy ellis at August 13, 2016 7:46 PM
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J2 & Royal, WB ate the post again. Dunno why.

Can’t use to many links or the word s*x Roy.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 14, 2016 9:20 AM
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Thanks J2, lemme try again.

j2, If Hillary has a drug program I’m not aware. I don’t believe her admin will do a thing to clean up drugs and big city crime. She sure has no plans to control the borders.

Watch John Walsh tomorrow night on CNN re this Mexican dude that floats back and forth across the border trafficking young girls/women, turning them into s*x slaves and making millions.

Number one country for child s*x trafficing. That’s the Obama/Clinton legacy as I know it.

We need some law and order and Trump is the only candidate promoting it.

Posted by: roy ellis at August 14, 2016 1:42 PM
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If Trump loses this election it will set us on a path of ever diminishing quality of life as we have known it.

Wrong! If Drumpf wins this election it will set us on a path of ever diminishing quality of life as we have known it.

No chance of Drumpf winning with less than 40% of the vote anyway.

Again, what is this right wing ideologue post doing in the Third Party Column? It’s not libertarian or green, or any of the other third parties.

‘law and order’, restore better morals, ‘law and order’, strong borders, the top child sex country in the world, drugs of all sorts, folks that can’t control themselves, religion is being pushed to the back burner, lack of law and order, ‘evangelicals’ are putting their money on Trump, restore morals and integrity to the country.

Wait, I get it. The entire post was intended as sarcasm, right?

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 14, 2016 3:05 PM
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Here is HRC’s drug policy:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/addiction/

For more detail, clink on the link at the bottom connecting to a fact page.

Trump has no policy addressing drug addiction.

Roy, you write: “Number one country for child s*x trafficing. That’s the Obama/Clinton legacy as I know it.”

That is 100% wrong.

Some of the worst countries include Thailand, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Belarus, South Sudan, Algeria, Uganda, Ethiopia, Eritrea, the Congo, Kuwait, and North Korea.

If you care enough to voice an opinion, why not spend a few minutes to tie it to the real world using facts? It is not difficult. Simply use www.google.com and type in a question you want to research.

As for law and order, Trump’s first trial for fraud will begin November 28th. He will also be up on RICO charges in late November. The racketeering charge could result in a $40 million fine, and the transcripts are already public. It looks really bad for Trump. (This does not include the law suit from Trump’s home state, filed by the NY AG).

This is not an accusation. This is not a fake scandal about someone deleting their personal e-mails. This is real. The trial date is set, and the charges will NOT be dismissed.

Law and order. Snort.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2016 3:06 PM
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Quote: “”
Prevention: Let’s empower communities to implement programs to teach adolescents about drug use and addiction.
Treatment and recovery: Substance use disorders are chronic diseases, and recovery is only possible through effective and ongoing care—not neglect or stigmatization. Everyone who needs treatment and ongoing support should be able to get it. We should invest in and empower our recovery community organizations.
First responders: All first responders should have access to naloxone, a drug that can prevent opioid overdoses from becoming fatal.
Prescribers: Drug prescribers will have to meet standards for training and go through a prescription drug monitoring program before writing a prescription for controlled medications.
Criminal justice reform: Let’s prioritize rehabilitation and treatment over prison for low-level and nonviolent drug offenses and work to end the era of mass incarceration.”“

Talk about kissing the asses of dope dealers. I want these drug dealers taken out, like we would take out ISIS, if we had a real leader.

Where does it say Hillary is going to ‘lock them up’? She wants to let the addicts back on the streets to continue this very capitalistic business. And, she wants their votes.

I don’t cotton to the way Duerte in the PI is handling the drug situation but I sure ain’t going to try and stop him. Maybe when he’s got about 99% of them wiped out I’ll suggest he stop that nonsense, and so on - - -

Now, ph, you can jump in here and call me lotsa names but I doubt I’ll shed a tear and so on - - -

Otherwise - - -

Obama has opened up the border to drugs, child S*x trafficking, people smuggling, terrorists crossing, and Rahm has opened up Chicago as a sanctuary for the cartels headquarters. Isn’t Hillary going to carry on Obama’s legacy? I think she will according to her drug plan.

Try and catch John Walsh tonight at 8pm. I know, John Walsh is in the tank for Trump, trying to make Hil look bad, but tune in anyway.

Posted by: roy ellis at August 14, 2016 3:56 PM
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“Talk about kissing the asses of dope dealers. I want these drug dealers taken out, like we would take out ISIS, if we had a real leader.”

A war on drugs? Now there is a novel idea. It can’t possibly fail.

We already incarcerate more citizens per capita than any other country in the world. The drug policies of the past have obviously failed. Far better off letting people make their own choices, and providing education on the consequences, and a helping hand to those who make bad choices and want to get out.

Do you realize Obama request an AUMF for Syria and Congress never gave it to him? The problem is not with Obama. I am not convinced it is up to the US to do much about it in the first place, other than intel to prevent domestic attacks. We keep bombing them. We can effectively bomb ISIS out of existence- we are just about there already- but that fails to address the fundamental problem. At some point, the Sunnis will need a Sunni government. Not Syrian. Not Iraq, which is dominated by the Shias and Iranians- but a Sunni government. Given their experience over the past decade or so, I would not expect that resolution to be a happy one.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2016 4:07 PM
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I will make a slight modification of phx8’s statement and wait to see if he notices and agrees.

“The (poverty) policies of the past have obviously failed. Far better off letting people make their own choices, and providing education on the consequences, and a helping hand to those who make bad choices and want to get out.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 14, 2016 4:18 PM
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Poverty policies such as literacy programs are examples of “letting people make their own choices, and providing education on the consequences, and a helping hand to those who make bad choices and want to get out.” Another example is making certain prison rehabilitates criminals (when possible), rather than creating a permanent criminal class and an enormous prison population.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2016 4:26 PM
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btw,
We will be entertaining tonight so I will not see any tv.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2016 4:27 PM
Comment #406815

One more try phx…”The (poverty) policies of the past have obviously failed.”

True? False?

Please don’t hedge your answer and be as forceful with this issue as you have been with “failed” drug programs.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 14, 2016 4:37 PM
Comment #406816

The poverty rate in 1959 was 22%. When LBJ instituted his War on Poverty, the rate was at 19%. It declined to 11% in 1973, so the program was unquestionably successful. Since then, the rate has fluctuated between 11 and 15%, reflecting the onset of conservative legislation. The rate spiked up during the Great Recession, and has declined during the remainder of Obama’s administration.

However, the biggest single factor in allaying poverty in America has been Social Security.

Posted by: phx8 at August 14, 2016 6:10 PM
Comment #406817

According to the Dept. of Commerce as of Jan. 2016 35.4% of the population was getting some form of Welfare. IMO that would say that the War on poverty is a bust.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 14, 2016 8:34 PM
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So phx8 is now calling a government agency liers. The statement I gave came from the Department of Commerce. I guess now phx8 proves that we can’t trust our government.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 14, 2016 10:35 PM
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phx8 would rather trust a BIASED source then facts from a gove5rnment agency.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 14, 2016 10:41 PM
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Looking at employment numbers and inflation rates I wouldn’t trust government either!

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 15, 2016 10:43 AM
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So KAP if this information is from the Dept. of Commerce why didn’t you link to it?

The one thing we need to remember is the change in focus we have on poverty today. “Use to be we waged a war on poverty, today we wage a war on poor people”(paraphrased from Newsroom speech). I don’t doubt the numbers KAP but to use them as ammo to say the war on poverty is a failure is wrong IMHO.


We also need to remember that we subsidize a lot of Wal Mart workers. We need to realize the baby boomers are retiring and have been for several years. We need to understand we are shifting from an industrial economy to an information economy and have left many behind due to technological changes and the offshoring of millions of jobs. Income inequality is at near record levels and wages have been stagnant for decades.

As the country and economy deteriorates so do families leaving us with higher levels of single parent families and kids living with grandparents.

One of the problems I see is someone forced onto the welfare rolls getting a job then losing medicaid because the job is a low paying no benefit job. Time to get employers out of health care insurance IMHO.

I think it is time to stop worrying about the middle east and nation building over there and start spending the defense budget on nation building at home. Using good Davis Bacon wages to rebuild infrastructure. Maybe if we could get over the voodoo economics of the right and raise taxes to do this we could lower the welfare rolls.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2016 1:59 PM
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j2, I can agree on a lot of what you say but IMO we have failed in the war on poverty. As long as we have a population that has a entitlement mentality and the government as an enabler we lost the war on poverty. As far as linking, tried it and messed up. But the numbers are from the Commerce Department and other sites that I googled. They averaged out all the welfare benefits that are available that people are getting.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 15, 2016 2:18 PM
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j2t2 wrote; “As the country and economy deteriorates so do families leaving us with higher levels of single parent families and kids living with grandparents.”

Liberalism is the great destroyer of families and consequently, the nation. Liberalism thrives as more individuals are encouraged to become dependent upon government.

Liberals tell families, especially black families, that no father is required…government will be a substitute daddy. The traditional black family in America is almost gone and now the liberals are focusing on destroying white families.

I wrote some time ago that liberalism/socialism means never having to say Thank You. There is no gratitude to those who work and pay taxes by those whose entire subsistence depends upon them. It’s called “entitleitis”.

Liberalism provides not only the means necessary to stay dependent upon government but also gives the excuse for being and remaining dependent. Black folks in particular are told that they can’t achieve because of white people. They are told that they don’t do well in school because of white people. They are told that they can’t find a job because of white people.

Liberalism is a disgusting and shameful destroyer of freedom and liberty. Listen carefully to Hillary and hear her words of further destruction for our citizens and nation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 2:52 PM
Comment #406826

E-mail the Russians, Royal Flush. See if they’ll destroy your American opponents for you. You’re down with that.

j2t2,
The link I provided earlier was ignored. It shows the number KAP produced included all everyone who received any kind of federal benefit, even working people. That is part of the reason why the claim was ranked ‘false.’

It is incredible that Trump came out against 1st Amendment freedom of the press the other day and it barely received any attention.

“One of the things I’m going to do if I win… I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We’re going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected.”

Protecting the press is a terrible thing when you are a narcissist and someone dares to criticize you.

Posted by: phx8 at August 15, 2016 3:23 PM
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“Even as they admit the serious disadvantages of family decline for children, the academic and policy communities offer the ambivalent public an easy, and ultimately counterproductive, way out of their dilemma. They propose enlarging the already considerable infrastructure of government support for single mothers. As a political matter, this means labeling those who warn about unintended consequences of this approach as greedy and lacking in compassion. The pressure to accept and adapt to widespread single motherhood by increasing the size and cost of government is bound to grow.”

https://medium.com/2015-index-of-culture-and-opportunity/unwed-birth-rate-f7a9dbfe37a8#.ezr6mxdfl

“Protecting the press is a terrible thing when”…it has devolved into an incestuous relationship with politicians.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 3:27 PM
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phx8, Your link wasn’t ignored. But I would take the word of a government agency over a biased fact checker. Yes they are averaging all of the benefits of the Welfare system, but if people were as prosperous as you think why would people need the Welfare benefits government provides. Almost 50 million people on food assistance alone, put in Medicaid, Disability, Cash benefits, housing benefits, etc etc etc and you get the 35.4%.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 15, 2016 3:48 PM
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Our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist Pals have been loudly and persistently condemning those of us who have expressed concern about all the ME migrants Obama has allowed, and Hillary has promised to increase, into our country.

We have been called every nasty word in the Left’s extensive lexicon for those they dislike.

“National Review’s Ian Tuttle wrote in September 2015, “Given the sheer magnitude of the migration, it is a virtual certainty that terrorist organizations are taking advantage of the crisis to insinuate themselves into Europe.”

But these concerns met censure from European and American politicians and media elites for being xenophobic and bigoted against refugees. The Huffington Post listed terrorists embedded with refugees among their top five myths about the migrant crisis in September 2015. Another myth-buster at the Washington Post came to a similar conclusion in response to Tuttle: “Yes, in theory, terrorists could exploit the same porous borders exposed by human smugglers. But in practice, they are unlikely to use migration routes to infiltrate Europe — and checks are in place to catch them if they try.”

The Southern Poverty Law center reacted to the Paris attack with shock and horror that anyone would connect refugees to fears of Islamic terrorism, calling the mere mention of it Islamaphobic.

What has happened with Europe’s migrant crisis is evidence of an ongoing pathology in the West, especially with regard to Islam. Anything perceived as offensive or xenophobic is off-limits for discussion, even if it affects national security. Looking clearly at issues of public safety, immigration, integration, and the threat of terrorist organizations takes second chair to keeping up the pretense of inclusivity that multiculturalism mandates. Political leaders and the media get to feel smugly compassionate and morally superior while accusing everyone of bigotry who express concern about mass immigration.

Many world leaders and members of the media would rather swallow their own tongue than state the obvious. They’d much prefer to acknowledge a risk in retrospect than warn of an impending threat.

Europe’s leaders, and our own, don’t have the luxury of being politically correct about national security. Their sworn duty is to look clearly at the world and spot the risks even if it makes them look cold, not to hold our hand and make us feel good about ourselves.”

http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/15/intel-confirms-isis-hid-among-refugee-hordes-flooding-europe/

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 4:15 PM
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Liberalism is the great destroyer of families and consequently, the nation. Liberalism thrives as more individuals are encouraged to become dependent upon government.

Royal, you act as if conservative families don’t split up, well…. Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich , I am sure you get the point. So lets use Newt as an example and let you explain how Newt grasped the liberalism you speak of yet remained conservative throughout his life. It’s silly Royal when liberalism encourages even same s*x marriages to blame liberalism for problem.

Seems to me Royal you find it easy to blame liberalism for everything but the problem with that is you miss the real causes. You know, when you are the hammer every problem is a nail logic. Of course you are consistent as we all know your answer is to cut taxes. But we still have the problem.

J2, I can agree on a lot of what you say but IMO we have failed in the war on poverty. As long as we have a population that has a entitlement mentality and the government as an enabler we lost the war on poverty.

The war on poverty has been over for year KAP.

“The popularity of a war on poverty waned after the 1960s.[citation needed] Deregulation, growing criticism of the welfare state, and an ideological shift to reducing federal aid to impoverished people in the 1980s and 1990s culminated in the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996, which President Bill Clinton claimed, “ended welfare as we know it.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Poverty

What we have now is a war on poor people. Which is what you do when you blame some entitlement mentality theory. The fact is any real entitlement mentality would be more along the lines of corporations that feel they should get a free ride in our country. Living at or near poverty is no entitlement those that think it is should try it for a year or two.

They propose enlarging the already considerable infrastructure of government support for single mothers.

Of course they do, once again when you are a hammer every problem is a nail Royal. So we have a catch 22 here. Conservatives wage war on poor people, tank the economy, raise income inequality and bust unions, give tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, allow illegal immigrants to be used as cheap labor and get us bogged down in credit card wars and debt to keep from solving the problem. The private sector hasn’t done anything for poor people so the academics and politicians look to government for an answer. You make it sound like like a bad thing Royal but you don’t have any working answers… do you?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2016 4:30 PM
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j2t0 is incapable of understanding comments and thus answers stuff he makes up in his mind. Small mind, small answer.

I encourage everyone, except j2t2, to read the link from which these quotes were gleaned.

I may surprise my Leftie friends to know that…”Leaders from both parties have proposed lowering America’s 35% corporate tax rate, the highest in the developed world. President Obama has called for cutting it to 28% (25% for manufacturers), while Donald Trump proposes 15%. Hillary Clinton is the outlier. To the detriment of her working-class supporters, she has failed to back even a minor cut to corporate taxes.

These studies and others convincingly demonstrate that higher wages are relatively easy to stimulate for a nation. One need only cut corporate tax rates. Left and right leaning countries have done this over the past two decades, including Japan, Canada and Germany. Yet in the U.S. we continue to undermine wage growth with the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world.

This anti-corporate policy may be music to the ears of supporters of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and the Democratic Party’s left wing, but it will make the lives of ordinary Americans worse. Wage growth will continue to be disappointing as long as the U.S. has the world’s highest corporate tax rate. Denying the need for lower corporate rates may be effective populism, but it is causing real harm to America’s workers.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cure-for-wage-stagnation-1471210831

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 4:46 PM
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Was Paul Krugman drunk when he wrote this phx8?

“For while the U.S. has done reasonably well at recovering from the 2007-2009 financial crisis, longer-term economic growth is looking very disappointing. Some of this is just demography, as baby boomers retire and growth in the working-age population slows down.

But there has also been a somewhat mysterious decline in labor force participation among prime-age adults and a sharp drop in productivity growth.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/opinion/wisdom-courage-and-the-economy.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Mysterious? Not to me and many others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 5:23 PM
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Once again Hillary and the Left are a day late and a dollar short.

“Despite promises of European Union member states to take in 160,000 refugees, a new report shows that they’ve accepted a fraction, 6,000, while the United States has embraced 8,000 of a planned 10,000 this year.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u.s.-accepts-more-syrian-refugees-than-all-of-eu-8000-vs.-6000/article/2599329

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 6:04 PM
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Sure, KAP. Poor people get all the breaks. Whatever you say. Must be awesome, being poor and living high on the hog.

As if that is the problem with the country- poor people getting free stuff.

The US is the wealthiest country on earth, and our economy is strong and growing. Today, the stock markets set another all time high- the DJIA, S&P, and NASDAQ- and not only that, but there is a record amount of cash on the sidelines, waiting to be invested somewhere. Where do you think it will go?

After Labor Day we will see a “melt up.” This is the opposite of a meld down. The market will enter a capitulation phase, the last phase of a bull market.

Housing is booming, construction is going great guns, we are at full employment, interest rates are low, and inflation is low. It does not get much better than this.

The problem is NOT poor people getting free stuff. The problem is that the rich gathering most of the benefits of a good economy. Wages for everyone else are growing now, but there is room for improvement, and that is something Hillary Clinton can address is she has Congress behind her.

Posted by: phx8 at August 15, 2016 6:30 PM
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j2t0 is incapable of understanding comments and thus answers stuff he makes up in his mind. Small mind, small answer.

Royal such a illogical diversion, you obviously don’t have any answers do you? So you resort to this nonsense .

So my simple mind, Royal, predicted you would tell us the answer is lowering taxes and sure enough you link to an article that tells us once we lower taxes wages will increase. Well as we know many corporations don’t pay any taxes after all is said and done. Those that do, pay an average 12% or so. How much lower do they have to go before these job creators create jobs? I can’t believe you still fall for that old line from your rich friends. They must laugh at your small mind.

One has to wonder why more jobs haven’t already been created as corporations are much less of the government income stream as compared to back in the days when corporations created jobs in this country.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-federal-tax-revenues-come-from

Yet Royal would have us believe I am the simple one.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2016 6:46 PM
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Please read more carefully j2t0, I said “small” mind, not simple mind. LOL

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 15, 2016 7:00 PM
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phx8, There is a difference in helping a poor person get on his feet and using Welfare as a life style. As a conservative I see no problem giving people who need a helping hand a lift, but when it becomes a life style then there is a problem. I also believe everyone should pay their fair share in taxes but with the tax codes the way they are it ain’t going to happen. The rich made those laws and they set up the tax codes and you and others like you complain about those evil rich people but they are the ones running the country. Hillary a rich person, Trump a rich person, they all talk a good talk but are only looking out for one person and it ain’t you or me.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 15, 2016 7:08 PM
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Welfare as a life style really doesn’t exist anymore. The reforms at the end of the Clinton administration put an end to that.

Personally, I would be willing to see cuts to the SNAP program (food stamps), although I would go along with whatever it takes to make sure children receive adequate nutrition. There is no reason for people to go hungry in the United States. An able bodied person making minimum wage should be able to feed and house themselves. If the minimum wage is not high enough to provide that, the wage needs to be increased.

I am fine with Temporary assistance programs that allow people to reach the point where they can go back to work.

There are some people who will never be able to care for themselves, either because of physical handicaps, mental illness, or other issues. Assistance for those people needs to be provided for the long term.

Posted by: phx8 at August 15, 2016 7:18 PM
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Welfare as a life style doesn’t really exist? phx8, come to Cleveland and I’ll show you generations of Welfare life style in existance. Maybe someone forgot to tell you that there are loopholes in the Clinton law. As far as people who really need it I’m fine with that. Temporary assistance I’m fine with that to.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 15, 2016 7:36 PM
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A sailor who took six photos of the engine room of a submarine is looking at ten years if found guilty. He is claiming the ‘Hillary exemption’. The judge was appointed by Bill so the sailor is likely to get a pass to quieten things down.

A black police commander, Baltimore I believe, is telling Greta that when riots take place the offended city solicits state and federal aid. The aid comes but never reaches the affected communities. Says it has gone on forever in the large liberal/progressive cities and the police get the bad publicity from having to take heavy handed measures to control situations.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 15, 2016 8:05 PM
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Royal Flush,

“Our Liberal/Progressive/Socialist Pals have been loudly and persistently condemning those of us who have expressed concern about all the ME migrants Obama has allowed, and Hillary has promised to increase, into our country.

We have been called every nasty word in the Left’s extensive lexicon for those they dislike.”

And they deserve every single insult.

Do you even have a clue what the vetting process is all about?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 15, 2016 9:35 PM
Comment #406845
Please read more carefully j2t0, I said “small” mind, not simple mind. LOL

Look a little closer Roya0 I used “small” when referring to you. Why you ask? Well…. you said it yourself, check out the size of your responses, small as in small mind, small answer. It kinda fit you better.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 15, 2016 10:52 PM
Comment #406850

Rocky asks; “Do you even have a clue what the vetting process is all about?”

Yes, and I didn’t need the White House to provide a puff piece.

From my link above…”“Despite promises of European Union member states to take in 160,000 refugees, a new report shows that they’ve accepted a fraction, 6,000, while the United States has embraced 8,000 of a planned 10,000 this year.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 16, 2016 1:28 PM
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