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Gary Johnson Will Smoke Evan McMullin Off the Debate Stage

Who? Evan McMullin, that’s who. A former CIA operative with Middle East experience. An MBA who spent a couple of years at Goldman Sachs. And a former GOP House adviser on foreign policy. And a profile photo that looks like he should be wonking away in Brussels. Or reporting for BBC World or CNN. And he hates Trump’s proposal of banning Muslims from areas like the one he worked in.

Why? Why run as an independent candidate? Clearly to stop Trump. And to put his own political ambitions in full gear. He will likely be a lonely man with many NeverTrump'ers muttering their support for the idea of anyone stopping Trump. And not doing much else. But it's hard to imagine Jeb Bush, or Marco, or maybe Ted appearing on stage with Evan McMullin, and waving at the sparse crowds. They are desperately concerned with down ballot races for the GOP. So how successful could this unknown be at depriving Trump of some key electoral votes?

What? What would happen if Mitt Romney endorsed Evan McMulin? Who by the way, is also of the Mormon faith and a Brigham Young grad apparently. And so, has the chance to rack up some votes in Utah. Assuming Gary Johnson doesn't keep garnishing NeverTrump'ers in the state. It may happen. But then again, Romney has way too much political experience under the belt, and in his family blood if you will, to throw his support behind a late-arriving, complete unknown with zero electoral experience.

When? When will the idea of a conservative third-party hero finally putter out? After the first presidential debates in September? Because if there is anyone who can just possibly maybe appear on the debate stage with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, it's Libertarian Gary Johnson. And if he does, and he can stay away from a little Indica Cannibis and stick with Sativa if he absolutely has to light one up before the debates, and manage not to be a rambling, weed-smoking idiot in the debates, he may possibly garnish a statistically significant portion of the electorate. One that intersects with the in-da-couch segment of potheads.

So. Would a good electoral run by Johnson hurt or help Trump? That's the only theoretical that matters when it comes to third party candidates in this 2016 presidential election. Whatever Evan McMullin's ambitions may be. And whoever he may be.

Posted by AllardK at August 8, 2016 7:28 PM
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Comment #406691

The candidacy of McMullin is an offshoot of the Never Trump movement and the Romney Republicans. Libertarians are neither fish nor fowl for many people. They are liberal where people want to see conservatism, and conservative where many want liberal positions. McMullin gives cover to those establishment Republicans who can not stomach Trump, yet do not match up well with Libertarians. This is especially true for the Mormons.

McMullin could easily deny Trump Utah, and throw its electoral votes to Hillary Clinton. It could do the same in Arizona, where Mormons are also populous, although not nearly as much as Utah.

Posted by: phx8 at August 9, 2016 4:23 PM
Comment #406693

There are many LDS in Idaho asa well

Because if there is anyone who can just possibly maybe appear on the debate stage with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, it’s Libertarian Gary Johnson. And if he does, and he can stay away from a little Indica Cannibis and stick with Sativa if he absolutely has to light one up before the debates, and manage not to be a rambling, weed-smoking idiot in the debates, he may possibly garnish a statistically significant portion of the electorate.

Good wishes to Gary Johnson. I’m not a cannabis smoker, so I don’t know about it, but: indica-vs-sativa-understanding-differences/ At this point, I think the debates may be between HRC45 and Johnson, if he can get to 15%, and HRC agrees to debate him. I doubt that Drumpf will participate. The real GOP is lining up against him. As predicted, more and more people are declaring that he is mentally unfit for POTUS. Johnson is a little better, but had better appear sober to be taken seriously. If any of the outsiders were actually elected, there would be

McMullin is interesting:

Why saying “never again” to genocide is not enough | Evan McMullin | TEDxLondonBusinessSchool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pNKTNlp6w

on morning Joe:

watch?v=X9aKl1QYpJE

In the meantime, Jill Stein has chosen Ajamu Baraka for her VP running mate, “lunatic extremist and conspiracy theorist”.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 9, 2016 4:27 PM
Comment #406694

oraoghilie,
Marijuana is legal in Oregon, so questions about that issue don’t exist here. Legalization worked fine. It basically just recognized what was already going on.

There are substantial Mormon populations in Idaho and Oregon, but the GOP dominates to such an extent in Idaho, not even Trump can shake them up. There are a LOT of white supremacists in Idaho. Oregon, on the other hand, is so dominated by Democrats that third parties fail here too. In theory, the Greens should do well in OR, but their candidates are so horrible they get ignored.

Posted by: phx8 at August 9, 2016 4:40 PM
Comment #406695

I managed to delete part of my previous post when deleting part of a URL so the post wouldn’t get held/never posted:

If any of the outsiders were actually elected, there would be the question of who would actually be running the government. Whoever is elected can only make appointments that are acceptable to the Senate, since they have been infringing on the executive more and more by making more and more offices subject to their confirmation. An outsider would be even more under the control of the Senate, IMO.

pdx8, I’m not a big fan of legalization. My thought is that if people want to smoke legally they should have to turn in their driver’s licenses. That would never happen.

I don’t know about the exact percentages, but I would think that LDS are a higher proportion in Idaho than in the more populous western states. I was in Idaho Falls in my younger days skiing.

I wish we could get a less useless Green Party.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 9, 2016 5:05 PM
Comment #406697

26% of the ID population is Mormon. Next highest is WY, with 11%. AZ is only 6%.

Posted by: phx8 at August 9, 2016 5:40 PM
Comment #406698

My Libbie and Socialist Pals are delighted with Hillary and how well she is doing at the moment. Strike up the band and play “Happy days are here again.”

The welfare crowd, the Wall Street crowd, the special interest crowd, the deficit spending crowd and the U.S. enemies crowd are all wetting their pants and slobbering with anticipation.

Screw the Middle Class working crowd…who needs them?

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 9, 2016 5:40 PM
Comment #406699

Whatever Evan McMullin’s ambitions may be. And whoever he may be.

McMullin specifically mentions his LDS background in interviews. He seems well-educated, believes in moral choices, and isn’t willing to be a “good nazi”.

Posted by: oraoghilie at August 9, 2016 6:42 PM
Comment #406703
Screw the Middle Class working crowd…who needs them?

Certainly not the repubs. Were it not for Sanders and Trump neither party would have mentioned the working class. The repubs majority have sat on the a**es the past 6 years and not did one thing to rebuild infrastructure or put the working class back to work. Unless, of course, you call blowing smoke up our a**es while conservative led states crumbled under the weight of voodoo economics, job creation.

Trump has of course now jumped on board the conservative voodoo economics train while telling us he will build the infrastructure and get people working, but of course we all know it won’t happen as he has sold out to Ryan and the party elite.

Posted by: j2t2 at August 9, 2016 10:38 PM
Comment #406704

The Clinton tax plan is friendly towards the middle class. The Trump tax plan of three tax brackets is extremely friendly towards the richest of the rich. That is simply a fact.

The Clinton plan for child care is friendly towards the middle and lower class. The Trump plan consists of tax credits, so it is great for families with a lot of income who have a nanny, resulting in a saving of $11,000 for an income of $125,000; for most people, it provides an average benefit of only $600 per year.

Clinton will not repeal the estate tax. Trump will repeal it. The estate tax only effects estates of $5 million or more for a single person, and $10 million for a couple.

But whether it is Clinton or McMullin or Johnson, any of them would be far preferable to Trump. He is absolutely unfit for the presidency. He lacks the temperament and self-discipline, and scarcely a day goes by without another horrendous example of his nature.

The Trump campaign is the worst in modern history, and it is only August. Where is the bottom? How low will this go? Yesterday he tweeted out a conspiracy theory about Iran and the Clinton e-mails that was originally put out there by Senator Cotton. A fact checker called it one of the stupidest ones he had seen. The Iranian in question was publicly mentioned in newspapers, but never by name by Clinton or her staff in e-mails. Incredible.

But wait. It gets worse. Today Trump suggested that is Clinton were elected… “if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the 2nd Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Remember, Trump crowds have been chanting “lock her up” and some have shouted even worse things. His veterans affair guy in NH said HRC should be shot for treason. That earned a visit from the Secret Service. Today, Trump just encouraged his supporters to violence.

Let me guess. He was just kidding again.

Words matter. The words of a presidential candidate need to be just as clear as the words of a president. There can be no room- none- for language open to misinterpretation, never mind apparent encouragement for gun violence against the opposition.


Posted by: phx8 at August 10, 2016 12:01 AM
Comment #406706

Drumpf had already ended his candidacy with his remarks about the Khan family and getting a purple heart. Now he’s just playing with the media to see how much coverage they’ll continue to give him. Drumpf should watch out for his own supporters. They’re more of a danger to him than to HRC45.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 10, 2016 10:46 AM
Comment #406707

Axelrod said he did not think Trump was trying to lose on purpose, but if he were, it would look just like this.

Someone posted a funny tweet:

“Question for the day: What would be worse than a presidential candidate suggesting that elections could be rigged?
Trump: I can answer that!”

Posted by: phx8 at August 10, 2016 10:56 AM
Comment #406708

Well, elections are rigged, through gerrymandering, and attempts to restrict voting. Maybe Drumpf is just too dumb to know they’re being rigged in his favor, or, because of his mental state, he just has to keep accusing his opponent of doing and being what he is, in order to deflect attention away from reality.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
Comment #406709

Lunacy is the new normal for Republicans

Mike Cernovich, a Men’s Rights Activist and well-known figure in the “alt-right,” the name with which society has rebranded the far-right collection of racists and white supremacists from which Trump draws a fair amount of his support. Cernovich has trafficked in conspiracy theories and his Twitter feed is a mass of rape apologia and paranoia that the Democratic Party is going to assassinate him.
Cernovich is so terrible that the producers of “Red Eye” felt compelled afterwards to say that they had made a mistake in booking him. But that doesn’t answer the question of how they found him in the first place. It’s simple, really: He swims in the same sewers as the rest of the eager up-and-coming right-wingers at Fox News.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 10, 2016 1:09 PM
Comment #406711

It is true, one could argue gerrymandering rigs the House in favor of the GOP. It would take a margin of victory of between 8 - 10% nationally for the Democrats to take control.

The attempt to restrict voting has taken a beating in the courts, but that will not stop conservatives from continuing to try.

Posted by: phx8 at August 10, 2016 2:27 PM
Comment #406713
Trump’s controversial comments follow a pattern of ‘outrage, headlines and denial’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WjCWOXhjI

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 10, 2016 4:20 PM
Comment #406714

That comes from a Washington Post article

“a href=”https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/from-trumps-controversial-words-a-pattern-outrage-headlines-and-then-denial/2016/08/09/4feadec0-5e71-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html”>Outrage, headlines and then denial

The pattern has repeated itself again and again. First come Trump’s attention-getting expressions. Then come the outraged reactions. The headlines follow. Finally, Trump, his aides and his supporters lash out at the media, accusing journalists of twisting his words or missing the joke.
Posted by: oraoghaile at August 10, 2016 4:30 PM
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