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It has been ‘biggly’ great entertainment observing the 2016 elections play out. Nothing like this has happened in our history and I could believe we will never see anything like it again. We’ve seen national security breached, explicatives hurled hourly , candidate lying to the FBI/folks, politicians fired, corruption in the political process, Russia, or perhaps NSA, hacking political emails, and so on - - -

It struck me, as it must the reader, that all that bad stuff has happened to the dems/Hillary. The worst thing I can say against the reps/Trump is sandbox stuff. Christie, IMO, did cause traffic to be blocked somewhere in NJ after an election. Rubio or Ted lied a little during the debates. Trump is one foul mouthed, no holds barred, nothing sacred, dude.

We did have a dem taking pix of his Weiner but Melanie Trumped that with some nude, 'artsy'? photos floating around on the web. These should be a best seller once Trump is anointed. But, IMO, the worst Trump has done is call people names, make fun of disabled folks, and step on his crank about every other step.

He has picked a 'Harry Trumanesque' person for VP. I like that.

But, let's go back and look at Hillary a while longer:

Foreign policy record a bust: Benghazi consulate, Ghadaffi takedown, Syria 'red line', Russia 'reset', Crimea takeover, Ukraine invaded, sell of nuclear ore materials to Russia, pulling troops out of Afghan and Iraq. There may be something positive but I'm not aware.

Continuing: between the Clinton Foundation, DOS tour, speaking engagements to include foreign travel, there is a huge conflict of interest and a national perception that she has used her status as DOS to provide play for pay with corporations here and abroad. Never before have we had an ex-president, ex-DOS running for high office while running a foundation with domestic and foreign donors. I like the way President Carter handled his life beyond gov't. Doesn't leave a lot of room for 'perception'.

The Clintons' were so elite, so arrogant, so secretive, they set up a number of servers, in their basement we hear, to handle classified DOS communications during her tenure as DOS. The FBI investigated and found highly classified messages were sent and received this way. Some 30k emails were deleted. We hear NSA has access to the 30k but has not been asked to turn them over. Not likely as the NSA doesn't won't to admit they collect such emails. Wiki-Leaks probably has the 30k and has said they will, 'in a timely manner' release more emails that will result in Hillary being indicted.

I really do hope any/all releases are done before the election. It would just be plumb bizarre if she were impeached should she be elected. IMO, she has committed a breach of national security re her emails that would prevent her from having any further access to classified materials.

It's not good to see a presidential candidate lie to the population. She looks the camera right in the eye and says there were no classified on her servers. But, I agree, she can't say anything else as she truly might have to go to court at some point in time. She has to lie about it. I understand that and forgive her for that but I will never forgive her for broaching national security in such a careless, don't give a damn, way.

Then, there's this thing of the Russians playing into US politics and hacking the emails of Hillary's servers, the DNC servers and the democratic campaign hqtrs servers. Maybe they have hacked the RNC and just haven't released, yet.

I mean, it's sooo biggglly entertaining. There is so much more but my fangers are waning. Maybe I'll do a 2 part series. Can you imagine the books, movies, docudramas that will be coming down the pipe?

Amazingly, the next 97 days has the potential to be even more entertaining.

Posted by Roy Ellis at August 2, 2016 5:06 PM
Comments
Comment #406608

This has truly been a political circus both on the campaign trail and here on WB.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 2, 2016 5:37 PM
Comment #406610

Roy, it is almost beyond my imagination that a country of 330 million citizens will not produce better candidates for the presidency and other national elective offices.

It is our fault. We have and had the opportunity to vote for other candidates. We are responsible for the discord and disunity being fanned into flames by those we have already elected.

The Senate and House have become chambers of envy, pride, sloth, greed, immorality and mendacity.

We have permitted the erosion of morality and the rise of socialism. We medically kill our unborn and elderly and call it a “right”.

Gangs and protestors seek justice on the streets while the guilty escape justice by political decree or the defense accorded great wealth.

Capitalism is despised by many who survive from the benefits of such a system.

We are all f*ucked up as a nation Roy, and I see no immediate remedy on the horizon.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 2, 2016 5:54 PM
Comment #406614

HRC is one of the strongest, best qualified candidates either party has ever produced.

Trump is “woefully unprepared. Trump is unfit. He can be baited with a tweet. He can be suckered into pissing contests because he has no self-control. He is so narcissistic he can not take advice from others, and because of his undisciplined narcissism, he can not resist responding to criticisms and attacks directed at the only thing he cares about- himself.

It causes him to make incredibly inappropriate statements and to pretend he knows things he clearly does not know. It causes him to self-destruct.

Posted by: phx8 at August 2, 2016 7:44 PM
Comment #406615

Bill ‘O made an effort to get Trump on the Hillary attack and stop swinging at every talking head who doesn’t agree with him. All in vain. He’s a real piece of work.

ph, your response gives me pause. If you said that you was voting for Hillary because you can’t vote for Trump I could understand. But, to make the case that HRC is the greatest in lieu of her established career record = = your really howling at the moon, IMO.

Our fault, exactly, RF. Tommy Jefferson told us that we would have to clean house when things get to bad. (dems please don’t go off on me with post complaining about Tommy’s screwing slaves and so on- - -)

Trump is the closest thing to a revolution we can have at the moment. But, you may recall I’ve often wrote that people vote and then die but corporations live on in perpetuity, accumulating wealth and power over the centuries.

Three ways to real reform: revolution, AVC, or a 3rd party with a different political attitude. Revolution not recommended at this time. AVC, while a constitutional right, is illegal under this corpocracy. Also, AVC would be way to slow for a major reform tool, IMO. That leaves us with a 3 3rd party designed for reform and founded in rules to prevent the party from ever being coopted by special interest/corpocracy.

Any success Trump may have at reform can easily be overturned once he leaves office. Will take a 3rd party with some rules to bring real Jefferson like reform.

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve - - -


Posted by: roy ellis at August 2, 2016 9:11 PM
Comment #406616

RF, so’s you don’t misunderstand me on corporations - - -

Everything must be subject to regulations; 1st amendment, 2nd amendment, corporations and so on. I am all for capitalism. I am not for 1% owning 90%, Phil and Wendy Gramm, corporations being to big too fail, and the huge income inequality we currently have.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 2, 2016 9:29 PM
Comment #406617

As William Shatner said in Star Trek III:
KHAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!

Stories flying around about the Trump campaign in full meltdown. Staff members about to resign. According to John Harcourt, Paul Manafort is “mailing it in.” The guy in charge of the GOP convention, Ed Brookover, was fired last night.

Saw this interview on CNN tonight:

Katrina Pearson: “It was under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that changed the rules of engagement that probably cost [Capt. Khan] his life. So I don’t understand why it’s so hard to understand why Donald Trump was confused about why he was being held responsible for something he had nothing to do with while Hillary Clinton had everything to do with.”

Except that Captain Khan died in 2004. George W Bush was president then, not Obama, and HRC was obviously not Secretary of State.

It is so ugly, so ugly, yet they just can’t help themselves. Others on the right wing fringe keep spreading rumors about Khan and the Muslim Brotherhood and other nutty stuff. They keep making it worse, but they can not help it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 3, 2016 12:09 AM
Comment #406621

Regarding Katrina Pearson, I wonder how long we will have to wait until we hear Republicans complain that Obama ignored the August 6, 2001 memo: Osama Determined to Strike US, thereby causing the 9/11 terrorist attacks?

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 3, 2016 11:29 AM
Comment #406626

They manufactured a fake story for today’s headlines about a $400 million ransom payment by the US to Iran. That will fall apart pretty quickly, but the stories themselves are unimportant. They will give the Trump campaign some badly needed breathing space. Four recent polls from reputable pollsters showed the Trump campaign down 5, 6, 7, and 8 points. If it hits double digits the GOP will abandon Trump, it will be every pol for themselves.

Tea Party Republicans just got crushed in KS primaries by ‘moderate’ Republicans. The rout included a prominent Freedom Caucus Tea Party Congressman. That will raise some eyebrows in the GOP.

If the rout is on, it will get very interesting, because the fight will move from the presidential race to down ticket. Almost all of the fundraising and organization has been done by the Democrats. Trump has no money, no fundraising power, and no organization to speak of. This will leave the down ticket Republicans incredibly vulnerable.

Could be a very good year for the Libertarians.

Posted by: phx8 at August 3, 2016 2:43 PM
Comment #406629

Presidential elections always provide many laughs if one doesn’t take all the so-called news stories, media hype and “insider scoops” seriously.

As usual, my Libbie/Socialist Pals are drinking deeply from the well of misdirection and misinformation provided hourly by those in the media in bed with Hillary and her cohorts.

The news on our economy is terrible with GPD barely above 1%.

The nations unemployed who have stopped looking for work no longer exist as a government statistic.

Major insurers are pulling the plug on Obamacare due to massive financial losses. Yet the Hillary crowd continue to tout how great obamacare is and the only thing lacking is more taxpayer funds to keep it floating.

Our biggest adversaries are building weapons while we build a socially acceptable armed force.

The medical community is encouraged and abetted by government and the Left to kill the unborn, seriously ill and elderly.

Our national morality has sunken so low that many on the Left believe God was confused when HE created male and female humans.

The Democrat Party has grown so callous regarding life that their platform calls for taxpayer paid elective abortion.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2016 2:55 PM
Comment #406630

Hey Warren, is it too late to add a Plank to the Democrat Party Platform?

phx8 and my other Libbie and Socialist Pals love taxes and regulations so I am sure they would support this.

“Meat should be taxed at the wholesale level to raise the price and deter consumption, says a new report from the UN’s International Research Panel (IRP). This will (supposedly) save the environment and prevent global warming.”

http://iceagenow.info/tax-meat-until-its-too-expensive-to-eat-new-un-report-suggests/

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 3, 2016 3:44 PM
Comment #406631

I’d prefer a broadly implemented carbon tax on CO2 and CH4 emissions over anything that tries to pick winners and losers in the marketplace.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 3, 2016 4:49 PM
Comment #406633

WP,
I’d prefer tax credits for alternative energies, funding education to help the population understand the problem and how they can ameliorate it, but the bulk of funding should go towards R&D. By the time we get our acts together enough to do something, it will take more radical steps than conservation and marketplace solutions.

Posted by: phx8 at August 3, 2016 5:55 PM
Comment #406634

Let’s see how long it takes the media to remember the US traded 5 Americans held by Iran for 7 Iranians held by the US.

Posted by: phx8 at August 3, 2016 6:28 PM
Comment #406635

Yes Phx8 lets see how long it takes Americans to remember trading 1 Traitor held by the Taliban for 3 or 5 Taliban POW’s.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at August 3, 2016 7:17 PM
Comment #406636

Fox News poll: Hillary Clinton +10.
Remember what I said would happen when the polls hit double digits? There is a good reason the GOP has hit the panic button. All the trends are down, and this latest poll does not even reflect everything that has happened in the past days. We will see that next week. And it gets even worse. The Olympics will start, people will not pay much attention to politics, and the polls will tend to freeze in place. Everyone will have a good long chance to think about what it means to be down double digits.

Obama in 2012: 51 -47. That was decisive, and resulted in 332 votes in the electoral college.

At a five or six point margin for HRC, the Democrats will take the Senate (always pretty much a given), but probably not the House. That is bad, but not necessarily cause for panic among the GOP.

At ten points or more, the House goes to the Democrats too. At that margin it becomes an across the board wipe-out.

And Hillary is smart. Her organization is superb, her funding strong, and it will put on a full court press in state after state. It is built to make the difference if the race is close, but if it is not, the result will be devastating.

Posted by: phx8 at August 3, 2016 8:18 PM
Comment #406637

Could be a very good year for the Libertarians.
I saw the interview with Gary Johnson on Bill Maher. He’s way more presidential than Drumpf. Rpblcns should abandon Drumpf and vote for him instead.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 3, 2016 8:27 PM
Comment #406638

Everyone seems to be coming up with a theory on Drumpf. I think he’s done. There’s a full court press from all directions. With Drumpf’s mental problems, he will either continue to strike out at everyone, making himself look worse, or he could have an ego collapse, and retire from the political scene altogether. NUTZ might make for interesting or entertaining television viewing, but this is a presidential race, not a tv show. Seth Meyers had a good idea. Offer Drumpf a tv show instead, but NBC doesn’t want him anymore. He has managed to ruin his own brand, on which he bases the valuation of his worth. Conspiracy theorists and “proud fascists” like Theodore Shoebat can write their own versions of history, but I don’t want to have to read any more of it, see any more of it on tv, or listen to it on the radio.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 3, 2016 8:41 PM
Comment #406639
Roy, it is almost beyond my imagination that a country of 330 million citizens will not produce better candidates for the presidency and other national elective offices.

One thing for certain, Royal, the repubs did pick the best of the bunch this time out. But lets be clear it isn’t our system of government that is the problem it is the manipulation of the system over the years that is the problem. Many on the right seem to have replaced our representative democracy with capitalism, the man with the gold makes the rules.

It is our fault. We have and had the opportunity to vote for other candidates.

But the pickings were slim Royal. But then what can we expect when the cost to run for office dictates the candidate become indebted to the oligarchy.

We are responsible for the discord and disunity being fanned into flames by those we have already elected.

You sound surprised Royal. You helped to elect a group of tea baggers who told you they were gonna change things in DC, who sold you on some smoke and mirrors economic system and diverted your attention with the 3G’s.

The Senate and House have become chambers of envy, pride, sloth, greed, immorality and mendacity.

Yes funny how you guys won majorities bases upon morally superior candidates only to watch the government descend into envy, sloth, greed etc.

We have permitted the erosion of morality and the rise of socialism.

Yes Royal under the guise of morality you have let the oligarchy control you with your silly socialism nonsense.

Gangs and protestors seek justice on the streets while the guilty escape justice by political decree or the defense accorded great wealth.

When we corprotize the functions of government what else can we expect except anything can be bought if you have the money?

Capitalism is despised by many who survive from the benefits of such a system.

When Capitalism involves itself in our system of government it should be despised Royal.

We are all f*ucked up as a nation Roy, and I see no immediate remedy on the horizon.

It is a process Royal, just as Rome faded we to will fade it seems as we become divided, as we blame some minority group for our problems, as we turn our government into an oligarchy. Perhaps my “be careful what you wish for” warning will fall on deaf ears but what are you guys thinking?

The conservative movement ushered in the most corrupt administration in modern history and worshiped the president of this corruption, Reagan. You guys were gonna make big changes and look where we are! Your movement has reduced us to… well…. Trump in just 35 years.

I suggest it is some strange timing. The conservative movement and the corporatization of America occurring at the same time. Meanwhile as you say we fall into discord and disunity. Envy, pride, greed, mendacity taking over the Congress that used to be ….”We passed laws, struck down laws, for moral reason. We waged wars on poverty, not on poor people. We sacrificed, we cared about our neighbors, we put our money where our mouths were and we never beat our chest.”

” First step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.”

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/23633463-the-newsroom-script-episode-1

Posted by: j2t2 at August 3, 2016 9:39 PM
Comment #406644

Mostly agree, j2. The people are on one track and corpocracy is on the other. Let’s hit trade for a minit.

There is a trade imbalance with China of something like $500B/yr and with Mexico something like $45B/yr, I think.

Ship return to China less than half full. I remember posting a couple of years ago that you can ship a bale of hay to China for less than you can ship it from Richmond to the coast.

We all realize that trade is good, needed, wanted, desirable, necessary and so on - - -

But, the way it has been done with NAFTA and the AFTA’s has worked to put this country in the tank. When the economy is good, plenty of money for all, we are all happy, we are one. BUt, when it comes down to 1% owning 90%, the best jobs moved overseas, mostly import with little export, wage inequality sans the 20’s, half the population on gov’t assistance and so on - - - we turn to Trump or similar for change.

But, the corpocracy/establishment/GOP/DEM don’t want change. Don’t want ANY change. They have us right where they want us. Took them since the mid 80’s to get us that way but they’ve got us by the short hairs and WILL NOT LET GO.

Trump is the flea crawling up the elephants leg.

But, at least he is crawling.

Billionaires for Hillary - - - you betcha. If I were a billionaire I’d be for Hillary too. And, there are plenty of billionaires for the GOP. Just not Trump’s GOP.

Royal is 100% right in that it’s the peoples fault - - - we have the Corpocracy we deserve and so on - - -

Hannity says the Justice Dept complained about the $400B. But, the money is gone, terrorist are going to live good for a while, guns and butter and so on - - - spilt milk, etc.

OTHERWISE - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at August 3, 2016 11:10 PM
Comment #406646

“Hannity says the Justice Dept complained about the $400B. But, the money is gone, terrorist are going to live good for a while,…”

Roy,

Let’s keep this in perspective and be honest about the deal with Iran. It was no secret. President Obama announced the deal on national television in January. It was a separate agreement but related to the nuclear agreement in that it was conditional upon certification by the the IAEA that Iran was complying with the nuclear agreement’s preconditions.

In addition, the US did not did not make any payment to Iran of US taxpayer funds in exchange for prisoners held in Iran. The US returned to Iran 440 billion dollars of its own money which had been impounded by the US in the late 70s during the Iranian crisis. As Obama explained, the return of the funds resolved a long standing international legal claim by Iran against the US.

The objections by the DOJ were not legal in nature nor did they express any concern about a substantive violation of the no ransom for hostages policy. Their concern was that the necessary legal mechanics and timing of the exchange could raise questions as to the appearance of a reversal or violation of that long standing US policy. They were probably correct on that point. The Administration with clear eyes was willing to accept that consequence in exchange for additional assurance of compliance with the nuclear deal and resolution of prisoner and the impounded funds legal problems.

If the mechanics of the funds exchange could have been handled in a straightforward wire of funds from a US account to Iran, there would probably be few eyebrows raised. But, due to sanctions, the funds could only be transferred by converting them into another denomination (Euros, etc.) and conveying them in cash. Nothing really all that sinister or clandestine about the exchange. But, in an effort to fully comply with the law, the US gave the appearance of doing something secret or sinister.

A final note, Iran recently placed a large order with Boeing for commercial jet liners to replace its aging civilian fleet. So, the bottom line is that the Iranian “terrorists” are using the released funds to purchase US non-military commercial capital goods.

Posted by: Rich at August 4, 2016 9:07 AM
Comment #406647
So, the bottom line is that the Iranian “terrorists” are using the released funds to purchase US non-military commercial capital goods.

Posted by: Rich at August 4, 2016 9:07 AM

Why make sense when you could sit on a wall and holler abuse at passersby?

From Pew: the silo effect

The country is becoming segregated along partisan lines. This works to the advantage of Rpblcns, who are more concentrated in places with more representation and electors than population.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 4, 2016 10:18 AM
Comment #406657

Don’t imagine we will hear much from conservatives about the economy today.

255,000 non-farm payroll jobs added, way above expectations.

4.9% unemployment rate.

400,000 re-entering the workforce.

Wages rising.

Sucks to be a conservative, always rooting for bad things to happen.

Posted by: phx8 at August 5, 2016 2:04 PM
Comment #406664
Sucks to be a conservative, always rooting for bad things to happen. Posted by: phx8 at August 5, 2016 2:04 PM

And anyone who says anything bad about the economy when a conservative is in the White House is a traitor.

Quote from fundraising email from Paul Ryan:

“If we fail to protect our majority in Congress, we could be handing President Hillary Clinton a blank check.”

Too many people are saying that the election is already over, which could seriously suppress voter turnout in November. Drumpf is already further back than Romney ever was.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 5, 2016 4:17 PM
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