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Would You Trust Ted the Flamethrower Cruz?

A roar of approval and gratitude greeted his entrance. A chorus of boos fought with defiant cheers as he strode off the stage, a few short minutes later, leaving the hall in flames. Ted Cruz torched the GOP Convention in Cleveland using the soaring rhetoric of freedom as this flamethrower.

One can imagine McConnell smugly saying to his friends and aides: now America can see what we have to deal with in the Senate.

What in the world was Senator Cruz up to? Charles Krauthammer has one of the more interesting analogies, comparing Cruz's convention speech on Wednesday night to British Labor's so-called suicide note. Wherein the Labor Party in the U.K. adopted such a left-wing platform in the early 70's that they paved the way for their decades long obsolescence, starting with Thatchter's 1979 victory. And where Ted Cruz may suffer the consequences of his speech for years to come. Will he? That indeed, is the question.

Remember this is Charles Krauthammer who will not and cannot support Trump. But his point that Cruz gave a perfectly inspiring speech in the wrong setting is one to be taken note of. And of course, one can question why Trump - who apparently had advance warning that an endorsement was not forthcoming - allowed Cruz to go ahead and unleash his flamethrower. In other words, both men gambled. Bigly.

Trump gambled that Ted would stubbornly refuse to endorse, but will suffer a banishment to the political wilderness. Cruz gambled that Trump will not win the election, and in fact, will lose badly. Like Barry Goldwater in 1964. And Ted can then say: See? I was right! I was brave! I'm the future!

But that very analogy is tricky taken from, say, Nelson Rockefeller's perspective. Who was punished for years afterwards for his active participation in the Stop Goldwater campaign. Despite Goldwater's electoral loss in 64. Because the GOP was changing and one electoral disaster was not going to stop that change. So Cruz as Rockefeller - a pretty ill-fitting and loose analogy in terms of character and policy if there ever was one - would potentially pay dearly in the years to come for his flamethrower-in-Cleveland speech.

Yes, like in 64, the GOP is in upheaval and a different party will be born, and is being born. How much it will be Trump's party is still far from clear. But it is noteworthy that Ted Cruz returned to what had been a policy plank of his before Trump snatched it out of his hands: he too would build a wall. So Ted's speech has as much to do with his personal anger at Trump, and his beautifully crafted words were a defiant gauntlet flung in the face of the nominee, at the nominee's celebration.

Even if Trump does lose badly - though recent polls suggest, in fact, it will be a tight race - will anyone really trust Ted Cruz from now on?

Posted by AllardK at July 21, 2016 5:27 PM
Comments
Comment #406233

I find it Bigly impossible that anyone other than the corpocracy would cast a vote for Cruz or Rubio.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 21, 2016 5:51 PM
Comment #406234

Trust Cruz to do what Allard?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 5:55 PM
Comment #406235

Lyin’ Ted has five mistresses, an ugly wife, and his father was tight with Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh, and he is a p****, cheat, wacko, weak, desperate, a puppet, and a Canadian anchor baby. How can we trust a guy like that?

Cruz pledged to endorse him, then broke his pledge. So did others.

Then again, how can we possibly respect candidates who Trump called a whole variety of terrible names, yet still came out in support of him, even after that? Anyone who would capitulate and then come crawling back for favors truly is weak. Hence the comment about Christie selling his “political testicles.”

At least Jeb!, Kasich, two former presidents, two former presidential candidates, and 18 Senators had the decency to just refuse to have anything more to do with Trump.


Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2016 6:00 PM
Comment #406236

ph, all the wrong reasons for shunning Cruz.

Ages old adage that still works; one is known by the company they keep.

Cruz and Rubio tied their wagons to Phil Gramm. Cruz made Phil his economic advisor. That’s the reason to shun Cruz, forever.

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 21, 2016 6:22 PM
Comment #406237

Why don’t these alleged third party writers write something about Johnson or Stein? I don’t give a hoot about Ted Cruz. He’s not a third party candidate.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 21, 2016 6:27 PM
Comment #406238

My hat is off to everyone involved in security for the Republican Convention in Cleveland. The citizens of Cleveland also deserve a hands together clap for their public support of the police.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 6:31 PM
Comment #406239

RF,
On that we agree. Security has done an outstanding job in a potentially volatile environment.

roy,
Agreed, Gramm was one of the very worst politicians out there. He contributed more to the economic crash in 2008 than anyone else alive.

ohrealy,
If HRC chooses Kaine as her VP I will be giving the Greens a closer look. Clinton/Kaine is a ticket I would have a hard time supporting, though given the appalling prospect of a Trump presidency, I would probably do what a lot of others will do, and stay with HRC anyway. Then again, I live in Oregon, and HRC will win the state regardless of what I do.

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2016 6:44 PM
Comment #406240

Clinton/Kaine is a ticket I would have a hard time supporting
I also think Kaine would be a mistake. I suppose it would be done to put Virginia in her column. I would prefer if she kept Biden on as VP rather than Kaine.

Some polls show Johnson at 10%, and he’s hoping to get to 15 and be included in the debates. He’s a little goofy, but not in a menacing way.

I don’t think there’s any chance of Jill Stein getting anywhere near that, but she’s articulate and thoughtful.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 21, 2016 7:05 PM
Comment #406241

But can she fit into an orange jump suit? just checkin

Posted by: tom humes at July 22, 2016 5:26 AM
Comment #406244

People who understand the behavior of children, and some mentally ill persons who retain childlike behavior into adulthood, will recognize that children who have done something bad, will accuse someone else of doing something to deflect scrutiny form themselves. HRC has been investigated for 20 years. They’re only just starting to look into Drumpf’s doings.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 22, 2016 10:27 AM
Comment #406245

tom humes,
I do not think Trump will be imprisoned if he loses the fraud cases. The first trial starts on November 28th, and most likely would end with a very large fine. A second one involves civil racketeering charges, but that one is not as far along. The third, filed in Trump’s home state by the New York Attorney General, accuses him of fraud and false advertising. “Financial Elder Abuse” is a serious charge which may come up in the CA cases.

An offshoot threatens the career of one of the convention speakers, Florida AG Pam Bondi. She led a chant of “lock her up.” She decided not to pursue fraud charges against Trump, and four days later he donated $25,000 to her political campaign.

Chris Christie conducted a mock trial at the convention, a truly horrible spectacle right out of a Twilight Zone episode about totalitarianism. Christie’s mentor and aide, David Sampson, was found guilty of bribery last week. Two other aides of Christie will go on trial in September. Christie is still in legal jeopardy, a major factor in why he did not get the nod for VP.

As for Hillary Clinton, eight Benghazi investigations found no wrongdoing. The FBI Director, based on the unanimous recommendation for over a dozen analysts and investigators, recommended that she should not be indicted over her e-mails; that she was, in fact, telling the truth, not lying, that she was never evasive in her testimony and provided all materials requested in a timely manner; that she acted within the law and complied with it, that she was, in short, law abiding.

And people who believe otherwise are really scary. Some are deluded. Others are liars of the blackest ilk.

There are perfectly good reasons not to vote for Hillary Clinton based on issues, but conspiracy theories are not among them.

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2016 1:30 PM
Comment #406246

How does phx8 explain FBI Director Comey, in sworn congressional testimony, saying that Hillary lied about her emails? Just curious.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 1:44 PM
Comment #406247

Trump, in his acceptance speech, said that we need to put America first and put America before our role in the world.

Hillary as SEC/STATE, and so far in her campaign, makes the case for globalism and will most likely do the same at the Democrat Convention.

Which view will our electorate embrace?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 2:22 PM
Comment #406248

To see how globalism versus America First looks, check out what happened with Brexit. They will be in a recession soon. I know most people have no idea what happens when a currency falls. Most do not understand that the strong American economy has resulted in a strong dollar, which results in expensive exports and cheap imports.

Brexit is giving us a free look at just how disastrous killing trade agreements can be.

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2016 3:06 PM
Comment #406249
that she was, in fact, telling the truth, not lying

To the contrary, Comey actually said that roughly 52 email chains on her server contained material that was classified at the time they were sent or received. This directly contradicts Clinton’s public statements and sworn testimony claiming that none of her emails were classified at the time of transmission. To spin this as “telling the truth” is beyond the pale.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 22, 2016 3:28 PM
Comment #406250

So pleased that phx8 used Brexit as an example of disastrous voter decisions.

Clearly, the Lefties in the US want more taxes, more regulations and less freedom of choice by our citizens.

This is certainly the case with membership in the EU. A few un-elected bureaucrats based in Belgium made decisions that adversely affected many in Britain and the citizens acted in their own self interest. While phx8 predicts gloom and doom, I applaud their effort to regain their freedom and liberty.

The British Empire existed and flourished long before we became a nation. The English were the best traders in the world and built ships to accommodate and protect that trade. phx8 would have us believe that after only 23 years as a member of the EU the British have become dependent upon that membership and will flounder without it.

I see similarities in the Brexit vote and the Tea Party of the American colonists. Taxation without representation is not a conservative value and should be abhorred by all free liberty loving people including American Liberals..

In 2015, the total U.S. trade deficit was $531.5 billion. An ongoing trade deficit is detrimental to the nation’s economy over the long term because it is financed with debt. In other words, the U.S. can buy more than it makes because the countries that it buys from are lending it the money. One day the lending countries may decide to ask the U.S. to repay the debt. On that day, the party is over.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 3:57 PM
Comment #406252

oh, she is not picking Kaine to carry Virginia. She already has Virginia.

She is picking Kaine because he speaks Spanish.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 22, 2016 4:11 PM
Comment #406253

“We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI.”
James Comey in testimony before the House

And-

“Did Hillary Clinton break the law?” (Chaffetz)
“In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not.” (Comey)

“The question I always look at is there evidence that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody engaged in conduct that violated a criminal statute, and my judgment here is there is not.” (Comey)

Like I said, conspiracy theories die hard.

RF, the great thing about Brexit is that you will actually be able to see what will happen, in reality, when your beliefs are enacted. We have already seen the pound plunge in value. The latest Purchasing Managers Index shows a dramatic contraction for both services and manufacturing into recession territory. The drop is dramatic for its speed and size. Real estate is dropping. Business and consumer confidence are declining.

Notice how the biggest proponents of Brexit dropped out of sight? Boris Johnson and Farage and the other supporters can not put enough distance between themselves and that disastrous vote.

And the really fun part, where Scotland leaves the UK yet stays with the EU, has not even started.


Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2016 4:14 PM
Comment #406254

phx8 quotes James Comey in his comment above. There appears to be a Clinton moment here as to what the meaning of the word “is” is. Not true is not lying?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/07/chaffetz-claims-double-standard-in-clinton-case-as-comey-testifies.html

phx8 refutes my beliefs (liberty, freedom, no taxation without representation) as stated by me above. OK, no surprise. He must laugh at these Conservative values to be a Hillary supporter.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 4:37 PM
Comment #406255

Of course it is obvious to all that phx8 believes this statement by Comey…“We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI.” is the same as saying she didn’t lie about her emails.

phx8 may believe they are the same thing but we all know they are not.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 4:42 PM
Comment #406257

She may not have lied to the FBI but she did to congress and the American people.PHX8!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 22, 2016 5:24 PM
Comment #406259
“We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI.” James Comey in testimony before the House

Not lying to the FBI speaks nothing as to whether or not one lied to Congress or the American people.

“Did Hillary Clinton break the law?” (Chaffetz) “In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not.” (Comey)

There’s no law against lying to the American people.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 22, 2016 5:53 PM
Comment #406260

phx8 has made it absolutely clear that he hates Bestselling author Dinesh D’Souza. Perhaps some wonder why.

His new book; Hillary’s America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party may explain the angst of phx8. It has been made into a documentary as were other books of his.

The book reveals…

Why Hillary is the most corrupt presidential candidate ever

Hillary, the enabler: the long-standing Democratic political war against women, now led by a woman who has defended an alleged rapist

How the Democratic Party—the party of slavery, segregation, and eugenics—remains the party of racism, welfare enslavement, and “liberal fascism”

How Hillary Clinton’s political mentor was, literally, a cold-blooded gangster, and how progressive gangsterism shapes her worldview

Foreign policy for sale: how the Clintons see foreign policy not in terms of national interest, but in terms of personal profit

In 2012, D’Souza published two books, Godforsaken and Obama’s America: Unmaking the American Dream, the latter climbing to #1 on the New York Times bestseller list and inspiring a documentary on the same topic. The film, called “2016: Obama’s America,” has risen to the second-highest all-time political documentary, passing Michael Moore’s Sicko and Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. In addition, 2016 has risen to #4 on the bestselling list of all documentaries.


Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 6:09 PM
Comment #406261

Maybe not the American people Warped, but it is a crime to lie to congress.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 22, 2016 6:26 PM
Comment #406262

How ironic. Hillary Clinton has never been convicted of any crime and she has been cleared by eight Benghazi committees as well as the Director of the FBI. D’Souza has been tried and convicted of a felony, fined $30,000, served time, and required to do community service and attend weekly therapy. Let’s see. Who should I believe?

You might be curious to know D’Souza’s latest film received a 5% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, the lowest rating I have ever seen, bar none. Coincidentally, my local paper reviewed it today and gave it an ‘F,’ the lowest possible rating and one very rarely given. The reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are pretty funny, if anyone likes that sort of thing:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hillarys_america_the_secret_history_of_the_democratic_party/?search=hillary’s%20america

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2016 6:40 PM
Comment #406263

From the link phx8 provided…

AUDIENCE SCORE
79%
liked it

LOL

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 6:51 PM
Comment #406264

Amidst all the fun some might have missed Donald Trump this morning talking about the father of Ted Cruz:

“TRUMP: His father. I don’t know his father, I met him once. I think he’s a lovely guy. I think he’s a lovely guy. All I did was point out that on the cover of the National Enquirer there was a picture of him and crazy Lee Harvey Oswald having breakfast. Now, Ted never denied that it was his father.”

RF, you have been curiously quiet about your Senator, Ted Cruz, a man you openly supported on WB, and Donald Trump, for whom you also exclaimed “Go Trump!” What is you opinion? Was the father of Ted Cruz linked to the JFK assassination?

Posted by: phx8 at July 22, 2016 6:53 PM
Comment #406265

“GO TRUMP”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 7:02 PM
Comment #406266

I would like to point out that despite the hand wringing by the Left of the “open carry” gun laws in Ohio, licensed gun toters are and were responsible citizens.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 22, 2016 7:12 PM
Comment #406267


I’ll have to grudgingly admit that, even though I may dislike Cruz, I have a hell of a lot more respect for him than I have for the lickspittles that showed up in Cleveland to fawn over I, Trump.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 23, 2016 9:14 AM
Comment #406271
I would like to point out that despite the hand wringing by the Left of the “open carry” gun laws in Ohio, licensed gun toters are and were responsible citizens.

Very true. And we shall give another well-deserved round of applause to Cleveland’s law enforcement personnel as well.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 23, 2016 9:51 AM
Comment #406272

Why do you put Obama (I) with Trump?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 23, 2016 9:56 AM
Comment #406297

How funny using a Faux news source while discussing lying.

http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black Royal. But hey what the hell lets talk about the myths as well. Royal tells us “Clearly, the Lefties in the US want more taxes, more regulations and less freedom of choice by our citizens.”

SO Royal no one wants more taxes just as they don’t want more debt. The problem is we are spending more as a country than we take in. This is due to conservative economic theory that tells us less taxes creates more jobs. Unfortunately this has turned out to be false for the past 25 years.

I know how can that be you say well, compare California that according to conservatives doomed themselves to fall off the first world economic tier by raising taxes a few years ago. Of course the opposite happened. Compare that with Kansas the conservative utopia that cut taxes and watched as debt has risen and jobs weren’t created and businesses didn’t flock to them.

Regulations you say are favored by us lefties. Just like taxes, no one favors regulations for the sake of regulations. Unfortunately we have many an irresponsible business that would prefer to pollute, poison and ruin the country for the sake of profit. They need to be regulated. You guys would rather regulate our bedrooms and women in general while letting business pollute at will. It is a matter of which regulations not one side wanting more regulations.

Freedom of choice! seriously Royal you must mean freedom of corporate choice at the expense of the individual. Or the freedom to worship one religion not the religion of our choice. Or the freedom to vote…oh wait…. not that, the freedom to obfuscate the issues because you have a failed ideology and cannot run on the issues.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 24, 2016 10:55 AM
Comment #406304
The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, successfully argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves.
from the article linked by j2t2

So Fux is about as reliable as a supermarket tabloid, maybe even less so. Rupert Murdoch himself has taken over from Roger Ailes.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 24, 2016 4:27 PM
Comment #406306

Rightly so, oh. How could there have been any argument. The 2nd amendment as been around for several years.

Watched Farid on GPS make a statement that Trump “wants to stop immigration” and Trump “wants to stop free trade”.

That is a lie and CNN should be ashamed, IMO. But, under the 2nd amendment they can lie their ass off and I’m ok with that.

The DNC lied bigtime about Bernie and they have a constitutional right to do that.

Were it otherwise, who would the truth police be?

Hillary say’s the Russians didn’t hack her emails. Now she is blaming the Russians for hacking the DNC. I could believe that if the Russians hacked the DNC it was because they first found their way into Hil’s server, and so on - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 24, 2016 4:58 PM
Comment #406307
The 2nd amendment as been around for several years…….But, under the 2nd amendment they can lie their ass off and I’m ok with that.

Clearly written by a Drumpf supporter, who doesn’t even know what the second amendment is, but is definitely, vigorously, and fiercely in favor of it.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 25, 2016 10:49 AM
Comment #406309

j2t2, your comment #297 above might be understood if you learned a few rules of punctuation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 25, 2016 1:06 PM
Comment #406315

Rightly so, oh. I’m not going to admit any error and remember, the middle here was for Trump before Trump was for Trump, and so on - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 25, 2016 3:28 PM
Comment #406344
I’m not going to admit any error

How very Drumplike of you.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 26, 2016 10:45 AM
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