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The Corpocracy Mistates The Reason For Our Disenchantment

The Dems and Reps have worked hard to tell us why we have the problems we do and what needs to be done to set us one the right track. IMO, both have failed to recognize or address the real reasons causing disenchantment among so many folks.

Globalisation and associated open borders across the globe are at the root cause of our major problems. Off shoring of jobs has resulted in too few good jobs available in the nation. The job shortage has been compounded by the policy to bring in millions of unskilled, often uneducated illegal immigrants

Unable to find work many immigrants have turned to drugs and crime in general for income. A number of immigrants are here solely to further their criminal activities. This, coupled with general malaise in the work force has led to civil unrest in some large cities.

Police are going to operate in neighborhoods where crime is prevalent. True now, as it has always been, the high crime areas are in minority neighborhoods Police officers feel this very strongly and may react differently when interacting with the public in minority areas.

With so many struggling in the economy over such a long time period a number of them have turned to ISIS or other organizations with a violent agenda.

The British, who worked so hard to push the US on globalisation, have realized the resultant negative affection on their population and have rejected such policies.

IMO, Trump doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of tamping down globalisation in the country but he can be a bullpullpit spokesperson while we wait for a new 3rd party to lead us out of the wilderness.

Otherwise, we have the corpocracy we deserve.

Posted by Roy Ellis at July 19, 2016 12:43 PM
Comments
Comment #406160

Interesting development…

“According to reports, Paul Manafort, presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump’s campaign manager, told reporters that the platform for the party will call for the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall regulation, which from 1933 to 1999 made it illegal for one firm to own commercial and investment banking businesses.

We believe the Obama-Clinton years have passed legislation that has been favorable to the big banks, which is why you see all the Wall Street money going to her,” Manafort told The Hill. “We are supporting the small banks and Main Street.”

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/18/republicans-want-to-bring-back-wall-streets-worst-nightmare/21434389/

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2016 2:17 PM
Comment #406161

The position of the Trump campaign confuses me. They now favor re-instating Glass-Steagall, which I favor, but they simultaneously call for repealing Dodd-Frank, which would be a disaster.

Trump made a terrible mistake by putting his wife on stage last night. I’m not even talking about the plagiarism. Melania is a supermodel who married a rich man twice her age. Women who are not trophy wives- and that includes most women- instinctively hate her. This morning I overheard a conversation between two women. One went on about how much she hated Hillary because she was crooked, and so on, and so on, and then she declared that after seeing Melania last night and in this morning’s papers, she was voting for Hillary Clinton! There was no way she would go with Trump.

The Trump campaign made it much worse than necessary by denying the plagiarism. That was stupid. They should have just admitted a mistake and moved on; instead, Paul Manafort went on the attack and declared it was Hillary Clinton’s fault! Wrong move. Media across the board played comparative clips of Michelle Obama and Melania over and over, and then showed Manafort blaming Hillary Clinton. What a mess. It turned a fender bender into a five car pile-up.

By the way, as Colbert used to say, tip of the hat and wag of the finger for Trump. The tip of the hat? He did well not choose Flynn as his VP. Dude is crazy. Wag of the finger? What was Trump doing even considering a guy who acted like he was auditioning for a role in Dr. Strangelove?

And congrats to both sides for not shooting each other outside the convention. That is a good thing.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 3:58 PM
Comment #406162

” This morning I overheard a conversation between two women. One went on about how much she hated Hillary because she was crooked, and so on, and so on, and then she declared that after seeing Melania last night and in this morning’s papers, she was voting for Hillary Clinton!”

LOL…what a pile of BS. Just imagine the mindset of any voter saying this and meaning it. Of course, this conversation was never heard by anyone…just fantasy.

“…they simultaneously call for repealing Dodd-Frank…” Please provide the source for this claim.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2016 4:16 PM
Comment #406163


Royal, the ‘make America great’ again crowd has said a lot of things that has caught the ear of the working class. The GOP platform will be full of platitudes aimed at the working folks; rollback some secular rules regarding certain religious activities, immigration control, border control, maybe something on trade negotiation/policies, something on Obamacare, something on the Iran deal. And, now we hear that something like Glas-Steagal will be reenacted.

Convention platforms are little more than feel-good moments aimed at garnering as many votes as possible. The Glass-Steagall act plays into this scenario very well as Bill Clinton signed to kill the act in 1999.

Something about the national debt would be nice.

I’m guessing that many political platforms have posed something relating to immigration control.

Actions Trump words.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 19, 2016 4:27 PM
Comment #406164

Will wonders never cease Royal, your information is accurate! The 2016 GOP platform does call for reinstating Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. One has to wonder why this cannot be achieved simply by putting it into law, they control both houses of Congress and the dems I would think, would be glad to help, they have wanted this all along.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 19, 2016 4:30 PM
Comment #406165

“…they simultaneously call for repealing Dodd-Frank…” Please provide the source for this claim.

Here you go:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-trump-the-king-of-debt-hates-dodd-frank-1465254435

http://fortune.com/2016/05/18/trump-dodd-frank-wall-street/

I really think people underestimate the negative effect Melania Trump has on female voters. When Trump’s third wife declares “Donald is intensely loyal” without any sense of irony, it makes every divorced woman in the country roll their eyes.

Trump’s first two wives must be having a good laugh.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 4:33 PM
Comment #406166

j2t2, can you spell c-o-r-p-o-c-r-a-c-y ?

Posted by: roy ellis at July 19, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #406167

phx8, I can’t read the WSJ link as I am not a subscriber.

The “fortune” link doesn’t say anything about “repeal” of Dodd-Frank; but features calls to fix it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2016 4:53 PM
Comment #406168

From the WSJ: “”Populism—standing up for the little guy against the powers that be—seems to be the theme of the 2016 presidential campaign. Yet Donald Trump, a faux populist if there ever was one, said in a May 17 interview that he wants to eviscerate the Dodd-Frank Act. In his words, “it will be close to a dismantling of Dodd-Frank.” But destroying Dodd-Frank certainly would not be good for the little guy.”“


Posted by: roy ellis at July 19, 2016 4:57 PM
Comment #406169

In a recent Op-Ed for The Dallas Morning News, Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, sums up the damage of Dodd-Frank:

“Since the law’s passage, the big banks have gotten bigger, the small banks have gotten fewer, and Washington bureaucrats have been empowered to officially designate some firms too-big-to-fail, setting them up for the next round of bailouts. Instead of lifting our economy, small business lending from banks has declined, and the rate of new business startups is near a 20-year low. Entrepreneurship has dropped to a generational low.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2016 5:02 PM
Comment #406170

“Donald Trump said he would repeal landmark post-recession financial regulation Dodd-Frank but would take it easy on the Federal Reserve board as president.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee told Reuters in an interview published Tuesday that in two weeks he’ll release a financial regulation platform that includes repealing most of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.
“I would say it’ll be close to a dismantling of Dodd-Frank,” Trump said. “Dodd-Frank is a very negative force, which has developed a very bad name.”

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/banking-financial-institutions/280245-trump-id-repeal-dodd-frank-not-an-enemy-of-feds

It’s almost impossible to discuss Trump’s policy positions because he has been on both sides of most issues. He really is incoherent. The convention last night was a good example. There were virtually no ideas and very little of a positive nature. It was just hatred of Hillary.

There were multiple calls for Hillary to be jailed by several speakers, as well as the crowd.. This may be the first time in American history that a party has declared that it will imprison the opposition leader if it wins.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 5:18 PM
Comment #406171

phx8, can you tell us what part, if any, of the quote above by Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, you find incorrect?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2016 5:25 PM
Comment #406172

Generally speaking, Dodd-Frank has been successful. The CFPB has been a smashing success for consumers. The following article about Dodd-Frank regulations is a little wonky, but makes the point that it has succeeded in reducing the risk in the financial sector:

http://www.pionline.com/article/20150727/PRINT/307279981/assessing-the-impact-of-dodd-frank-5-years-later

In general, the big banks are still too big and need to be taken apart, and Dodd-Frank needed to go further in this respect. The big banks became even bigger as a direct result of the financial collapse in 2008, which forced healthy commercial banks to absorb unhealthy investment and commercial banks in order to save them, and save the economy.

I’m not sure how to measure lending to small businesses. Banks loan less, but other sources lend more at slightly higher rates, and banks today issue loans through credit cards, so it is hard to say. It would certainly be preferable for smaller banks to issue loans within the community.

Entrepreneurship increased for four consecutive years before declining slightly in 2015:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/19/us-entrepreneurship-declines-in-2015-reversing-4-years-of-upward-growth.html

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 5:57 PM
Comment #406173

Royal here is a link to the GOP platform itself read page 3 and tell us what they plan to do.

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

Posted by: j2t2 at July 19, 2016 6:25 PM
Comment #406174

Hmmm…can you tell us j2t2, which part of page three you are having trouble understanding?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 19, 2016 6:34 PM
Comment #406175
There were multiple calls for Hillary to be jailed by several speakers, as well as the crowd.. This may be the first time in American history that a party has declared that it will imprison the opposition leader if it wins. Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 5:18 PM

Congrats to all those trying to make America dumb again. They must have a very limited knowledge of their own candidate, or are complete hypocrites.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 19, 2016 8:35 PM
Comment #406176

Christie, as ex-attorney general, just held a mock trial of Hillary as to her foibles with convention members serving as jurors. They found her guilty on all charges.

This convention has, at times, been a little over the top but fairly entertaining at the same time.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 19, 2016 10:09 PM
Comment #406177

The Christie speech was chilling. I’m not the first person to notice that the GOP convention looks like a banana republic’s political party, or something out of Pakistan, when they jail and execute political opponents. It has been relentlessly negative and almost entirely focused on attacking Hillary Clinton. If these people stand for anything positive or optimistic, I haven’t seen it. What do they actually want to DO other than hate Hillary?

It was also ironic that Christie made such a speech. His political mentor, close advisor, and aide, David Sampson, just pleaded guilty to bribery. Two other aides have been indicted and their trial will start in September.

And btw, Trump’s first civil case for fraud is scheduled to begin November 28th. There are several others which will not begin until after that one. Right now Trump’s lawyers are fighting to prevent the video of his deposition from being released. (The written transcript has already been made available, and it does not look good). The judge is still pondering whether to release the video.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 10:58 PM
Comment #406178

Most amazing line of the night goes to Dr. Ben Carson:

“Are we willing to elect as president someone who has as their role model somebody who acknowledges Lucifer?”

Well! No need to check whether Hillary Clinton floats. Let the stoning begin.

Although the sight of an auditorium of people chanting “lock her up” will be hard to put away. Normally our criminal justice system involves an indictment, trial, and conviction. These are scary people and this is a party that is enveloping itself in a dark side of the American character.

Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 11:48 PM
Comment #406179

phx8, I guess this is why no one of any political substance decided to go to the convention? It has turned into a “kangaroo court”, with the jeering, leering crowd of loons excited beyond their wildest dreams. Not sure what to make of it other than, this is how a party convention should function? What are you going to do to help our country? Can’t wait until next week when we see solid support for Hillary Clinton exhibited by politicians and supporters with dignity and respect.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 20, 2016 10:32 AM
Comment #406180

This GOP convention really is disturbing. The word ‘bloodthirsty’ comes to mine. This is what American fascism looks like. On a night when they were supposed to be talking about the economy, the ignored the subject and chanted “lock her up.” These people really are scary.

Speak, agreed, I look forward to the Democrats putting forward a positive, optimistic program with actual ideas about what they want to do. I do NOT want to see four days of attacks on Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at July 20, 2016 10:51 AM
Comment #406181

phx8, I will wait and see what happens. I expect there to be some of the odd and strange convention attendees we normally see, however it would be disappointing to observe a focus on the lack of political acumen displayed by the opposition. Although I do expect some pointed remarks regarding the non-existent plan to attempt to help our country excel presented by the Republican convention I do hope the message can be more oriented as to what the Democrat convention will attempt to do to help our country.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 20, 2016 11:05 AM
Comment #406182
Hmmm…can you tell us j2t2, which part of page three you are having trouble understanding?

All of it Royal, now can you tell us the GOP plan on Dodd-Frank? I need help with the Reaganspeak.

The document starts off in revisionist history and winds itself around into a monument to the God of myths, misinformation, half truths and outright lies.

Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t the repubs been in the majority in both houses of Congress the past 6 years? Yet they blame Obama and the dems for the stagnant wages and slow economy!

IT seems to me from a quick read of their platform they want to add several constitutional amendments, further limiting the rights of American citizens. Is voting for a party that wants to restrict voting rights an oxymoron?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 20, 2016 11:24 AM
Comment #406183
Although the sight of an auditorium of people chanting “lock her up” will be hard to put away. Normally our criminal justice system involves an indictment, trial, and conviction. These are scary people and this is a party that is enveloping itself in a dark side of the American character. Posted by: phx8 at July 19, 2016 11:48 PM

Ten out of ten robots believe everything their programmers tell them.

Can’t wait until next week when we see solid support for Hillary Clinton exhibited by politicians and supporters with dignity and respect. Posted by: Speak4all at July 20, 2016 10:32 AM

I hope they don’t try to make too much comedy out of this mess. Remember, people laughed at Reagan, and our country has never recovered from him.

I do NOT want to see four days of attacks on Trump. Posted by: phx8 at July 20, 2016 10:51 AM

I completely agree. Forget about the clown, just talk about reality instead of the structured reality show.

IT seems to me from a quick read of their platform they want to add several constitutional amendments, further limiting the rights of American citizens. Is voting for a party that wants to restrict voting rights an oxymoron? Posted by: j2t2 at July 20, 2016 11:24 AM

Did they forgot about adding “under god” into the pledge of allegiance 12 more times? I don’t know how people can see or hear the nonsense and not realize what they are seeing. Like pdx8 says, it’s like a political party in some third world country with a Minister of Applause.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 20, 2016 11:56 AM
Comment #406185
I hope they don’t try to make too much comedy out of this mess.

While it is hard not to laugh at us Americans now that Trump has actually puled off the joke of the century I hope the dems can do their platform and convention a bit better than the repubs, but I don’t think they are up to it. The media coverage will be just as lame as the coverage of the repub convention.

Why would anybody spend more time on Mrs. Trump’s obvious admiration of Mrs. Obama and her speech instead of what the repubs are planning to do to the country if they win this election. Hopefully The dems will have a convention that tells us what they plan to do, not some anti Trump ranting.


Remember, people laughed at Reagan, and our country has never recovered from him.

Last night was a who’s laughing now moment as Trump accepted the nomination wasn’t it. He makes Reagan better doesn’t he? The sad thing is Trump was the best of the bunch. But I do agree Ohrealy, this race will be closer than the dems think. The repubs have worked on Clinton for years to neutralize her and it is paying off. She was mentioned more times in the repub platform than Trump. In all the speeches at the RNC she was mentioned more than Trump.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 20, 2016 1:23 PM
Comment #406186
He makes Reagan better doesn’t he? The sad thing is Trump was the best of the bunch.

I don’t agree that he was the best of the bunch, just of the scum that rose to the top. IMO, He’s making W look better, on the social issue side, and W is probably technically an idiot. W made Reagan look better. Reagan made Nixon look better. They’re scraping the worms off the bottom of the barrel this year, and they don’t even seem to know that’s the way they’re perceived, because they only listen to themselves. They’re in the death throes, they’ve got the death rattle, but they believe in zombies, and just won’t drop down dead.

The worst thing about Drumpf is that he’s exactly what this country gets, a real estate speculator, who lives off ruining other peoples’ lives.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 20, 2016 1:52 PM
Comment #406187

“Well! No need to check whether Hillary Clinton floats. Let the stoning begin.”

Thanks phx8…I had to laugh out loud at that humorous line. Don’t know if she would sink as lying and incompetence are not as serious as practicing witchcraft.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 1:55 PM
Comment #406188

“Yet they blame Obama and the dems for the stagnant wages and slow economy!”

Finally…an honest comment by a Leftie. Agreed, wages and the economy have suffered greatly under Obama.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 2:02 PM
Comment #406189

“The media’s crowing of the death of Reagan Republicanism has proven premature. The Republican Party in 2016 has shown that it still holds to the timeless truths of constitutional fidelity that were the hallmark of Ronald Reagan, and that conservatives of all stripes should enthusiastically mobilize to defeat Hillary Clinton in November,” explained Former Platform Committee Vice Chairman Ken Blackwell.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 2:06 PM
Comment #406190

I am asking my Leftie Pals to keep the information in this article in mind while you cheer for America’s “Sweetheart” and most prominent cheater, liar, and outrageous thief of money meant to relieve poverty.

How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians

“We are telling the world of the crimes that Bill and Hillary Clinton are responsible for in Haiti.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437883/hillarys-america-secret-history-democratic-party-dinesh-dsouza-clinton-foundation

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 3:20 PM
Comment #406191

J2T2 wrote that he was less than pleased with the Republican Party Platform. No doubt this tax and spend platform by the Left is much more to his liking.

“Democrats recently outlined what their party stands for in a draft platform, in which the party places all its bets on government (SPENDING).

In the 35-page draft Democratic Party platform, the word “invest” (SPEND) shows up more than 45 times.”

“We believe,” the draft platform says, “that we can pay for ambitious progressive investments … without adding to the debt by making those at the top and the largest corporations pay their fair share.”

In other words, today’s Democratic Party firmly believes that the only way to grow the economy is to forcibly remove still more money from the pockets of private investors, and put it into the hands of unaccountable government bureaucrats, political hacks and politically connected businesses.

This is just the Tax-and-Spend-Liberalism (with a Soft-on-Crime chaser) that wrecked the Democratic Party before and that has failed every time and everywhere it’s been tried. Slapping new labels on these dusty old policies won’t make them any more effective.”

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-democrats-want-to-invest-big-in-big-government/

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 3:57 PM
Comment #406192

RF,
Dinesh D’Souza is out of jail! Good for him! Hate to see a felon who went to jail for lying and cheating then be denied the chance to accuse the Clintons of lying and cheating. Wonder if he finished paying off the $30,000 dollar fine?

Posted by: phx8 at July 20, 2016 3:58 PM
Comment #406193

Very clever response phx8 on the Clinton Criminal Enterprise theft of money meant for Haitians.

Notice how deftly phx8 avoids the charges against the Clinton’s by Haitians to focus entirely upon the writer.

phx8 loves Dodd-Frank and we know why.

“A recent analysis showed that Dodd-Frank accounted for nearly 30,000 new regulatory restrictions — more than all other laws passed during the Obama administration combined. These new regulations, authorized by a Congress in crisis mode, were piled on top of more than one million existing regulatory restrictions. Even former Senator Chris Dodd, one of the bill’s namesakes, admitted just after the bill’s passage that “no one will know until this is actually in place how it works.”

Scholars subsequently argued that the regulatory uncertainty exacerbated by Dodd-Frank could explain the slow recovery.

At the time, however, some facts were clear: Dodd-Frank would increase regulatory complexity, induce uncertainty, and line the pockets of regulatory compliance experts.”

http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2016/07/20/against_regulatory_complexity_1669.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 4:16 PM
Comment #406194

phx8, thanks for reminding us of the fact that D’Souza is a convicted felon. What a fine person for the conservative and Republicans to follow. Sheesh! It’s no wonder why they are confused.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 20, 2016 4:18 PM
Comment #406195

Ah, Yes…Speaks…Mr. x8’s talking parrot. Never an original thought.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 4:27 PM
Comment #406196

It bothers you when I give credit where credit is due, cretin?

Speaking of original thoughts what unproven and totally whacked out theories have you been reading about today on those right wing cesspools of information that you seek out?

Never mind, I can only imagine.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 20, 2016 4:37 PM
Comment #406197

Most all of the Politicians in D.C. are “Unconvicted” Felons, so phx8 and speaks B**ch about D’Souza being a convictesd felon.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 20, 2016 5:21 PM
Comment #406198

KAP, I will try to explain. You are either a convicted felon or you are not. It works like this:
D’Souza is a convicted felon and Hillary Clinton is not.
Capeesh?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 20, 2016 5:34 PM
Comment #406199

EXACTLY Speaks Hillary along with a bunch more in D.C. are FELONS that have NOT been convicted.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 20, 2016 5:54 PM
Comment #406200

RF,
Do not post material from Dinesh D’Souza. Just don’t. I won’t read it in the future if I can possibly avoid it. Why not address real issues, rather than dig around in the dark corners of conservative conspiracy theory? There are real issues, you know- TPP and NAFTA, bank regulation, breaking up the big banks, various social issues, philosophical issues about the role of government- rather than the ridiculous stuff put out there by D’Souza- who, by the way, is required to undergo weakly therapy as part of his felony conviction. Here is some material from his Wikipedia article, with sources:

“At the conclusion of a September 2010 opinion article in Forbes about President Barack Obama, titled “How Obama Thinks”, D’Souza wrote:

[T]rapped in his father’s time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation’s agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father’s dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost.[63]

Several commentators strongly disputed the assertions… which pointed out the errors in an article entitled The Roots of Obama’s Rage rooted in lies.[66] Ryan Chittum, in an article in the Columbia Journalism Review, described the Forbes article as “a fact-twisting, error-laden piece of paranoia … the worst kind of smear journalism — a singularly disgusting work”.[67]

Some conservative publications also criticized D’Souza’s theory. In “Obama, Anticolonial Hegemonist?”, Daniel Larison of The American Conservative states, “Dinesh D’Souza has authored what may possibly be the most ridiculous piece of Obama analysis yet written… All in all, D’Souza’s article reads like a bad conspiracy theory.”[68] Larison also criticizes D’Souza’s suggestion that Obama is anti-business, noting his lack of evidence.”

Posted by: phx8 at July 20, 2016 6:08 PM
Comment #406201
I won’t read it in the future

Don’t read it in the past either. I just skip the posts written by people who have repeatedly discredited themselves writing nonsense. Like you’ve said, there’s plenty of legitimate things to argue about. As with Drumpf, you’re just giving publicity to things that are the equivalent of what’s written in supermarket tabloids. I would only do that if I was amused by poking an animal in a cage.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 20, 2016 6:28 PM
Comment #406202

Perhaps phx8 prefers this version of the corrupt Clinton Foundation ripping off Haitians.

Haitians Protest Outside Hillary Clinton’s Office Over ‘Billions Stolen’ by Clinton Foundation

“Haitian activists protested outside of the Clinton Foundation in New York over the loss of “billions of dollars” that was meant to help rebuild after the devastating 2010 earthquake.

The activists are claiming the money was stolen through the Haiti Reconstruction Commission that was headed by Bill Clinton. In January 2015, the Clinton Foundation was the target of protests for wasting more than $10 billion and awarding contracts to non-Haitian companies.”

http://freebeacon.com/politics/haitians-protest-outside-hillary-clintons-office-over-billions-stolen-by-clinton-foundation/

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 20, 2016 6:40 PM
Comment #406203

“…most prominent cheater, liar, and outrageous thief of money…”

I’m confused.

Are we talking about Trump or Hilary?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 20, 2016 7:25 PM
Comment #406204
“Yet they blame Obama and the dems for the stagnant wages and slow economy!”

Finally…an honest comment by a Leftie. Agreed, wages and the economy have suffered greatly under Obama.

Off your meds Royal? I think you need to …. wow wait a minute that explains a lot, taking things out of context and the lack of comprehension, no wonder you guys are so easily led.

J2T2 wrote that he was less than pleased with the Republican Party Platform.

I am Royal but then I just don’t do myth misinformation half truths and outright lies very well. I do like parts of it though.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 20, 2016 8:21 PM
Comment #406205

What are the Republicans proposing to do other than attacking the character of Hillary? Repeal Obamacare and replace it with what? Dismantle Dodd-Frank and replace it with what? Attack ISIS but how? Engage in a tariff war with China, Japan, etc. to what end?

The Republican strategy appears to simply be: Democrats are evil and we should get rid of anything that they have done. Everything will be great again. No need for any specific policies.

Posted by: Rich at July 20, 2016 10:47 PM
Comment #406207

IMO, the real danger if a Rpblcn gets elected is that, since they have no intention of doing anything for this country at all, they’ll look for trouble overseas, and pretend that the “ists” of the decade are the worst enemy the world has ever seen, and must be destroyed. They may also make history illegal, or seek to prevent it being taught in schools, just replace it with the bible, only to be interpreted by men whose wives know that they are supposed to keep silent in church, and if they want to know something, ask their husbands. HRC is a woman, and one who uses her own last name in conjunction with that of her husband, so she is clearly public enemy number one, a lesbian, and about to be arrested for the crucifixion. My worry with Drumpf is that he may try to make the country into a real estate speculator’s dream.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 21, 2016 10:32 AM
Comment #406210

Rich writes; “Repeal Obamacare and replace it with what?”

You don’t know because you obviously don’t care. Try this Pal.

“A senior House GOP leadership aide who briefed reporters on the proposal Tuesday compared the document to the “white paper” issued by then-Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) days after Obama won the 2008 election that formed the blueprint for what became the Affordable Care Act — calling it a “framework” to be filled out later by congressional committees.”


The Impressive New Obamacare Replace Plan From Republicans Burr, Hatch, And Upton

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/02/05/the-impressive-new-obamacare-replace-plan-from-republicans-burr-hatch-and-upton/#5ffbb8f640bb

Many more plans are available for your pleasure Rich if you care to look.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 2:07 PM
Comment #406211

Highly unfortunate that all politics is viewed thru a prism of far left or far right. No statement gets made that isn’t forced thru a far left/right filter.

Trump can infer he would like each NATO partner to pay their full committed share to the cause. There can’t be any common sense in the public arena or even congress. The statement is barely out of Trump’s mouth before we hear ‘Trump wants to destroy NATO’ and so on - - -

Reason being’ it wasn’t this way in the 50’s/60’s as I recall. People were in general more polite, courteous and morally grounded. To a lesser degree as TV and talk shows became main stream and later, main street. What would have been labeled as immature slowly became ‘kool’. Around the clock news and talk shows had time to discuss the ‘nuance’ in a statement, the body language and so on - - -

First it was ‘hillary is a crook’ then, lock her up, and lately, she needs to be executed. Nothing said about an immature statement. Instead, this is kool stuff. Gets peoples attention, high ratings, more nuance - ‘did he really meant it- and so on - - -

Meanwhile, the debt clock keep tickin, Iran keeps tinkerin, N. Kor keep lighting off, and so on - - -

One would think the world is wondering about that shiny city on the hill, etc.

They sure can’t say we aren’t entertaining.

Super hard to put the cat back in the bag. And, with one or two terms of a Trump presidency the filtering will likely become a lot tighter.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 21, 2016 2:32 PM
Comment #406212

Once again, Trump made an incredibly dangerous statement about NATO. In an interview last night, he said the US would not automatically come to the aid of a member if it was attacked. Saying this encourages Putin and the Russians to think they might be able to attack the Baltic countries without the US getting involved.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36852805

Again, even hinting the US may not honor its treaty obligation is incredibly dangerous.

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2016 2:33 PM
Comment #406213

RF,
The GOP “plan” for health care reform was reported in February 2015. It is now July 2016. The GOP has been in control of Congress that whole time. So where is the legislation? A “plan” is not a bill. Neither is an idea.

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2016 2:38 PM
Comment #406214

Threatening to ignore the NATO treaties is the very definition of weak leadership. Do Republicans really want a world that lives in fear because they doubt whether they can depend on the US to do the right thing?

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 21, 2016 2:52 PM
Comment #406215

phx8 is wrong. Rich asked; “Repeal Obamacare and replace it with what?”

My answer provided a link to plans, and there are many more plans out there, infinitely better than the tremendously flawed obamacare.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 2:56 PM
Comment #406216

Roy writes; “Reason being’ it wasn’t this way in the 50’s/60’s as I recall. People were in general more polite, courteous and morally grounded.”

I absolutely agree Roy. We actually had conversations rather than shouting matches or the ill informed of today who leap upon “gotcha” moments that are meaningless.

The time most people today spend actually thinking about a political subject is less than the single beat of a hummingbird wing.

I read programed responses quite often on WB. It reminds me of a Hillary speech or a screed written by Mr. Daugherty. No thinking required just whip out the usual opposition response.

An excellent recent example was my attempt to discuss the Clinton Foundation ripping off Haitians or fixing Dodd-Frank with phx8.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 3:21 PM
Comment #406217

RF
“… there are many more plans out there, infinitely better than the tremendously flawed obamacare.”

That’s nice. Why haven’t any of these superior plans been turned into legislation? The GOP controls the legislature. There is nothing stopping them from passing the bills. Perhaps it would fail in the Senate or be vetoed by Obama, but that has not stopped the GOP from voting to repeal Obamacare more than 50 times. So where is the legislation?

A plan that fails to attract a majority means absolutely nothing.

WP,
It is hard to overstate just how dangerous Trump would be. Everyone else (including Pence) is busy insisting the US will honor its treaty obligations, but even the suggestion that we might not invites aggressors to test us.

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2016 3:24 PM
Comment #406218

RF,
I am not going to entertain crackpot conspiracy theories- that includes Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, or demands that Hillary Clinton should be jailed or worse for… something. The Clintons have released all of their tax returns for the past three decades.

Posted by: phx8 at July 21, 2016 3:29 PM
Comment #406219

phx8, do you deny that I answered Rich’s question about lack of plans to replace obamacare?

phx8 objected to the writer of the article I posted about the Clinton Foundation ripping off Haitians. I provided another source for the same story. This time, phx8 writes; “I am not going to entertain crackpot conspiracy theories…”

Well phx8, that tells us much about you and your beliefs.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 3:41 PM
Comment #406220

Typical Leftie “gotcha” moment.

Trump said; “Our allies must contribute toward their financial, political and human costs — have to do it — of our tremendous security burden. But many of them are simply not doing so. They look at the United States as weak and forgiving, and feel no obligation to honor their agreements with us. In NATO for instance, only four of 28 other member countries, besides America, are spending the minimum required 2 percent of GDP on defense. We have spent trillions of dollars over time on planes, missiles, ships, equipment, building up our military to provide a strong defense for Europe and Asia. The countries we are defending must pay for the cost of this defense.”

Strong words — that fit right in line with what Obama said in his speech to Europeans last week in Hanover, Germany:

“We need to stay nimble, and make sure our forces are interoperable, and invest in new capabilities like cyber defense and missile defense. And that’s why every NATO member should be contributing its full share — 2 percent of GDP — towards our common security, something that doesn’t always happen. And I’ll be honest, sometimes Europe has been complacent about its own defense.”

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/04/29/swerdlick-trump-mimics-obamas-language-toward-our-allies/

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 3:50 PM
Comment #406221
even the suggestion that we might not invites aggressors to test us.

It is absolutely astounding that such fecklessness is even considered proper within a candidate for federal office, let alone the Commander in Chief of the United States.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 21, 2016 3:50 PM
Comment #406222

What has changed since the 50/60’s? Everybody is a freaking expert. Who needs statesmen and stateswomen? We are all smarter than them? Who needs crooks and liars to represent us? We are much more honest? Gone is the empathy we used to attempt to portray towards each other. After all you are stupid and I am smarter really doesn’t mean squat. Police brutality? What’s wrong with keeping them darkies in line anyway? Immigrants? No more the backbone of our society and economy now only to be ridiculed and told they don’t belong here. We have changed. That is what has changed.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 21, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #406223

Police brutality? Everyone I know including myself are against it, and call for severe punishment of those found guilty.

Why would Speakie believe differently?

“keep(ing) darkies in line…”

No idea what Speakie is referring to here. Can anyone help him explain?

Immigrants? Everyone I know including myself are fully in favor of legal immigration and call for increasing quotas if necessary to fill job openings.

Why would Speakie believe differently?

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 4:24 PM
Comment #406224

Look flushie, if I have to explain everything to you that doesn’t give you the opportunity to think for yourself does it?

You seem to be taking some type of stance that you have never said a bad word to anyone here. Besides showing your inability to be introspective this also shares your basic insecurity due to your incessant search for anything that you can belittle someone else here with. Always referring to “leftie”, “libs” or other derogatory terms doesn’t mean you show any sincerity when it comes to other commenters here.

There has always been illegal and legal immigration into this country. That you and others only want to now focus on this is somewhat of a caricature of an honest American, but then again that is what I seem to get from you all of the time.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 21, 2016 4:31 PM
Comment #406225

I asked; “Why would Speakie believe differently?”

Speakie answers; “…if I have to explain everything to you that doesn’t give you the opportunity to think for yourself does it?”

OK, I get it. I can think my way into Speakies mind to understand what he believes but won’t say.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #406226

I really didn’t know that Speakie considered “leftie” or “libs” as derogatory terms.

Feel free to refer to me as a “rightie” or “cons” anytime.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #406227

Thankfully your mind and mine will never occupy the same plane of existence.

I thought you were being nice now? Didn’t last more than a few nano seconds, did it?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 21, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #406228

Sure, sure flushie. You didn’t know you were being obnoxious. It just comes naturally?

Posted by: Speak4all at July 21, 2016 4:43 PM
Comment #406229

More revelations from Speakie. “leftie” and “libs” are now both derogatory and “obnoxious”.

Please tell us more.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 4:47 PM
Comment #406230

Sorry flushie, I need to go watch grass grow. It is much more stimulating than attempting a discussion with you since at least the grass while it grows slowly, does grow. You on the other hand have never exhibited any progress towards understanding yourself on anyone you communicate with.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 21, 2016 4:52 PM
Comment #406231

“Sorry flushie, I need to go watch grass grow.”

Drop breadcrumbs or have a grand-kid in hand so you find your way back to the house.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 21, 2016 5:01 PM
Comment #406232

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-03-23/cruz-seeks-economic-wisdom-in-the-wrong-place

Cruz is losing out. He is really feeling it as are others in the corpocracy/establishment. The ‘little man’ from Florida, McCain, who never saw an illegal he didn’t like, etc.

The Cruz camp in Texas leaves one shaking their head as to political astuteness.

Most others recall that Phil Gramm and his wife, Wendy, managed to bring down Enron and kick off the housing crisis that delivered us the recession/depression. Please do read the above url.

So Cruz appointed Gramm as his Economic Advisor after the ‘little man’ bailed out of GOP nominee contention.

Just mind boggling what some pols will do to hold or gain political power.

Otherwise, we have the Corpocracy we deserve …

Posted by: roy ellis at July 21, 2016 5:21 PM
Comment #406242

Still in awe over the Trump speech, he wins, hands down, the Joseph Goebbels award this year. No one comes a close second. I am thinking I should vote for him simply because he has promised to redo NAFTA! I would think TPP is out the window should he win. Hell he is gonna get the best businessman he can find to renegotiate NAFTA to work for the working class! How stupid are repubs?

Talking about law and order just before we hear “going to meet her connection” from an old Stones song in the background so aptly describes what we just witnessed. I can only wonder why we didn’t hear “Please allow me to introduce myself I’m a man of wealth and fame” which would have been apropos.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 22, 2016 7:52 AM
Comment #406243
Hell he is gonna get the best businessman he can find to renegotiate NAFTA to work for the working class! How stupid are repubs?

Like Roger Ailes, who got a 60 million dollar parachute from Fux, or maybe Rupert Murdoch himself, or even Silvio Berlusconi, Drumpf’s role model.

My biggest problem with this whole election mess, is that they are actually ruining the news. Now we have to listen to crap that you could avoid before if you weren’t a dedicated drinker of the right wing kool-aid.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 22, 2016 10:24 AM
Comment #406251

oh, Trump is the 3rd party, the revolution. There is no room for any other movement.

I’ve been pressing for a 3rd party movement (only if certain conditions are met) for several years and it’s like Trump has been reading my posts.

He proposes to change from globalism to Americanism.

He proposes to control immigration.

He proposes to re-negotiate trade agreements.

He proposes to uphold federal law.

He proposes to repeal Obamacare.

He proposes to export energy resources

He proposes to be un-pc.

He proposes to squeeze the federal gov’t, clean up the VA,

He proposes to rebuild infrastructure.

Ad nauseum.

He put a number on every populist and common sense issue.

In his second term I will expect him to change the tax code to a flat tax.

In brief; this is a Thomas Jefferson size revolution. Trump simply left no air in the room for any other movement/party.

We can’t know how far Trump can go with this vision. I’m thinking that if he doesn’t do well he will or even try to carry it out.

If he does make a serious effort and gets thwarted he will be in a super great position to start a 3rd party movement come 2020.

Should the corpocracy trump him you can bet I’ll be here in the middle column hyping up a new 3rd party.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at July 22, 2016 4:05 PM
Comment #406256

Drumpf is a world class liar. He tries to obfuscate by calling his opponent a liar instead. Anything he says now, he has said the opposite previously.

Ad nauseum. I completely agree with that part. Posted by: ohrealy at July 22, 2016 4:53 PM
Comment #406274

Donald and I were right in saying that Bernie never had a chance, that the DNC was allowing him to run only as a strawman.

Well, just as in the ‘Melanie plagerism’ (sic) case, Hillary needs to come out ‘quickly’ as to who leaked the DNC ‘get Bernie’ documents and hold them accountable.

Trump got it right in saying the DNC system was rigged.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 23, 2016 11:05 AM
Comment #406275

Bernie and Trump should get together and sue the DNC, IMO.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 23, 2016 11:15 AM
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