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Nice: Obama Cannot Avoid the T-Word Anymore

According to the NYTimes, some guy drove a truck, really fast, into a crowd. And that’s all they would say, if they could get away with it. They’ll refuse to call it a terrorist attack - surely ISIL inspired - until a sheepskin parchment detailing a carefully conceived plan and signed by Islamic State officials, is discovered in a cave in Iraq, Afghanistan, or even maybe Syria.

Unfortunately for the NYTimes, and fortunately for the civilized world, we have in France a leader. An old-fashioned socialist even. Who understands in his marrow and in his mind that his nation and Western Civilization, is under attack by islamic extremists. Who do not follow ancient Persian military tactics. But rather have improvised their own deadly brand of lone-wolf-triggers style of tactics. President Francois Hollande called it what it is. A terrorist attack. And you can be sure he already has a fair amount of intelligence on the terrorist himself - apparently a Tunisian with French residence and perhaps even citizenship. Although this is still not clear.

What will Obama say? You can already here his team - Ben and Josh and the rest - furiously cranking up their spin machine to ensure - somehow - that this event does not boost Trump's numbers. Event in the sense once used by former UK Prime Minister Harold MacMillan. Whose quote is making the media rounds again. Because the dead piled up alongside Nice's gorgeous promenade don't really matter. That's just collateral damage far far away. If the truck had been driven into a gay club, surely he could have labeled it a hate crime. And avoided the dreaded T-word.

But even President Obama can't avoid using the term terrorist. At some point, even he will have to state what is a clear fact. America, Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and you bet, South America and other countries in Africa and Asia, are each and every one of them under attack. Just ask citizens in Nigeria, for example. Who've seen their daughters kidnapped, raped, and killed in some cases. For example. Go to every continent of the world and you will find the survivors, of this war. Who have lost family and friends. In the Philippines. In the Jewish community in Buenos Aires. In Bali, where Australian tourists died.

What does Obama need to forget about his desperate attempts to justify his mistaken, stubborn insistence on the correctness of his world view? The swearing-in ceremony next January? Is that what it will take?

Posted by AllardK at July 16, 2016 3:32 PM
Comments
Comment #406099

Most of our top officials in law enforcement and home security have cautioned Obama against bringing in more refugees. He will not listen and today I heard SEC Kerry brag about the increase in numbers slated to land on our shores. They will show up soon in your neighborhood. I hope Speakie is at the curb ready to meet and greet them.

Trump is correct regarding the position our nation should take on refugees from certain countries.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 15, 2016 4:25 PM
Comment #406100

RF, does the bidding of terrorists by trying to gin up fear among his fellow citizens regarding immigrants. Good job flushie, doing the terrorists bidding. Trump is a worthless orange colored self-agrandizing oompa loompa.

We need to be vigilant against terror and terrorists not just vindictive to all immigrants, fool.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 15, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #406101

I encourage all to watch the video of this interview with the police chief of Milwaukee.

http://conservativetribune.com/truth-about-black-crime/

Speakie is usually good for a laugh or sigh and he doesn’t disappoint on the issue of refugees.

Notice he never addresses our top officials in law enforcement and home security as “gin(ing) up fear”. I wonder why.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 15, 2016 4:40 PM
Comment #406102

You poor misguided soul. Some day you will realize that your xenophobic meanderings really do mean nothing to rational thinking adults and children. But maybe not. No matter, rational thinking adults and children know better than to pay attention to your fear mongering.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 15, 2016 4:50 PM
Comment #406103
Most of our top officials in law enforcement and home security have cautioned Obama against bringing in more refugees.

As far as I know, none of these people have recommended any sort of reduction or cessation in the flow of immigrants or refugees. Please share proof to support your statement.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 15, 2016 5:01 PM
Comment #406107

Please share proof to support your statement.
Posted by: Warren Porter at July 15, 2016 5:01 PM

“Both the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI have told me privately that they don’t support bringing in Syrian refugees because of the threat they pose to Americans.”

House Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCaul

FBI Director James Comey on the challenges of screening Syrian refugees: “We can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”

“Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on the ground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States from the conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim to
be and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.

Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that the government does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check the backgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.

Nevertheless, it was revealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gaps and absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.

According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] are
minimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”

National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligence
picture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review [data] against what you have.”

Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that
“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not made
a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in our
databases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up because we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”

Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is that
we don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the data
sets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from], don’t exist.”

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pdf

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 15, 2016 5:50 PM
Comment #406111

Michael McCaul is neither a neutral observer nor a trusted source on this matter. I will not accept his gossip as true. He has other objectives including elections he wants to win.

All the other quotations discuss the limitations when it comes to vetting Syrian refugees. Indeed, the system isn’t perfect and it is possible for a small few to evade the finely toothed comb. However, acknowledging this is not tantamount to recommending any sort of reduction or cessation in the flow of immigrants. You need to demonstrate that this imperfect vetting system is enough to make Comey and the rest question the wisdom of current immigration policy.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 12:01 AM
Comment #406113


That is very interesting; you are a very skilled blogger. I have shared your website in my social networks!

Posted by: kaviyaa at July 16, 2016 7:08 AM
Comment #406116
Please do not repeat lies on this blog, we should show more character than to do that.
Posted by: Speak4all at July 15, 2016 3:59 PM

It’s pretty bad when that refers to the article rather than to an individual response. I guess the third party is UKIP.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 16, 2016 10:49 AM
Comment #406118
but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists


The quote if from Speak4all’s link.

It says “violent extremists” not “Muslim Terrorists”.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2016 12:42 PM
Comment #406119

Warren, I really don’t expect the blind to see. Being in the dark suits some.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2016 12:42 PM
Comment #406121

Speak4all doesn’t have a problem calling them terrorists when he’s claiming Royal Flush is supporting them.

RF, does the bidding of terrorists by trying to gin up fear among his fellow citizens regarding immigrants.
Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2016 12:49 PM
Comment #406123

You need to demonstrate that this imperfect vetting system is enough to make Comey and the rest question the wisdom of current immigration policy.
Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 12:01 AM

Warren…I don’t need to demonstrate a damn thing. If you can’t read between the lines you deserve to live in the shadows.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2016 12:55 PM
Comment #406128

Sorry Royal Flush, but you are putting words into the mouths of Comey and other officials. You are blinded from the facts because you are projecting your own beliefs onto others.

It is your opinion that no refugee should be admitted into this country unless intelligence services are 100% confident that the individual is safe. Comey, Johnson and others have repeatedly acknowledge that the current vetting system, while robust, is not fool-proof. There is a small, but nonzero chance that a terrorist slips through the very tiny cracks.

If these officials shared your opinion, then yes, their words would be tantamount to “cautioning Obama against bringing in more refugees”. However, you have shared zero evidence suggesting that these men share your thoughts. Indeed, I am likely to believe that they would disagree with you because the acceptance of refugees may stave off the radicalization of people already here or facilitate their cooperation with counter-terrorism personnel. Actually, I don’t even have to believe because I have a statement from Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook:

Anything that bolsters ISIL’s narrative and pits the United States against the Muslim faith is — is certainly not only contrary to our values, but contrary to our national security.

Given that this response came from a question about Trump’s proposed immigration policy, it is a fair assumption that Cook and those tasked with defending the US against terrorism believe that Trump’s proposals will “bolster ISIL’s narrative”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 3:22 PM
Comment #406129

We should have the mayor of Warren Porter’s home town invite some Syrians into his home and have them set up for the duration.

Warren Porter, stock up your fridge! Get some air mattresses and bath towels ready! There’s going to be some Syrians watching your tv and using up your bandwidth on your internet. I guess you better buy some cell phones, also!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2016 3:23 PM
Comment #406130

Small. Nonzero. very tiny cracks.

These sound like your opinion, Warren Porter. Where did Comey and Johnson say these things, or are you putting words into their mouths also?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2016 3:26 PM
Comment #406133

If a Syrian refugee wants to rent an apartment in my neighborhood, I would have zero issues. Of course, I would oppose any attempt to compel a select number of American citizens to shoulder the burden of providing charity and relief to those people. Anyone seeking asylum in the United States has an obligation to find his or her own means of financial support.

Small. Nonzero. very tiny cracks.

These sound like your opinion, Warren Porter. Where did Comey and Johnson say these things, or are you putting words into their mouths also?

Here are the words of DNI James Clapper:

We do have a pretty aggressive program for those coming to this country for screening their background. I’m not as uniformly confident about each European country that is going to be faced with welcoming or allowing refugees into the country.

Clearly, Clapper has a level of uniform confidence for the aggressive US screening system that he does not have for the parallel European systems.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 3:50 PM
Comment #406134

Warren has the same problem as Obama, Hillary and Kerry. It is so politically important that the world see us take in more refugees from Syria that American citizens safety should be compromised.

Their Oath of Office is mere words to these political freaks.

I don’t believe I will take the time to educate Warren in the reading and interpreting of official statements. He can’t follow the path laid out and will always wind up in the weeds.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2016 3:50 PM
Comment #406135
It is so politically important…

No one is advocating this purely on the merits of its political importance. To the contrary, it is vital our to National Security that we do not vindicate ISIL propaganda. That isn’t my belief or the belief of Obama or HRC, but rather the statement from Peter Cook, who is spokesman for the DoD. If you want to suggest that you know more about national security than Peter Cook, be my guest.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 3:54 PM
Comment #406136

Once again we are treated to Warren swallowing a whole load of Leftist Political Bullshit in one gulp. Good for you Warren.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2016 4:00 PM
Comment #406138

RF,

Stop talking out of your ass and defend what you allege. I have clearly identified statements which suggest that the professionals in charge of our national security believe that vetting procedures for refugees are robust and that the cessation of such immigration would imperil national securty. What do you have to back your position? Gossip from McCaul? Acknowledgement from Comey and others that the robust vetting system is not 100% flawless?

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 4:14 PM
Comment #406139

I understand and appreciate the concern that those responsible for allowing refugees from Syria into the US have expressed. Taking our time to properly vet these refugees will cost nothing. Haste can be deadly.

Warren counters that it “might” be bad for our image or encourage more terrorism if we don’t follow the orders of the Freak in Chief and allow thousands more refugees into our country.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2016 4:26 PM
Comment #406140

Warren Porter, we are not doing the vetting. Anyone chosen for asylum is vetted by foreigners in other countries. They are already here before we have an opportunity to vet these people. And by the time they get vetted they have disappeared into the population.


Posted by: Weary Willie at July 16, 2016 4:58 PM
Comment #406142
Taking our time to properly vet these refugees will cost nothing. Haste can be deadly.

The current process is already quite slow and cumbersome, as it should be. Nobody is advocating the expedition of any applications. “Taking our Time” is precisely the position of Obama and his subordinates.

Warren counters that it “might” be bad for our image or encourage more terrorism if we don’t follow the orders of the Freak in Chief and allow thousands more refugees into our country.

This isn’t my claim. It is the statement of the DoD’s official spokesperson.

I do not understand what is meant by your defacement of the commander in chief’s title.

we are not doing the vetting. Anyone chosen for asylum is vetted by foreigners in other countries. They are already here before we have an opportunity to vet these people. And by the time they get vetted they have disappeared into the population.
WW, This claim is in direct contradiction with multiple statements and testimony from Jeh Johnson and James Comey describing the exhaustive vetting process performed by the US’s own intelligence services. Of course, other nations have their own rules for asylum-seekers and anyone conferred nationality from certain European Nations is welcome to enter the US through the VISA waiver program.

This is quite a disturbing threat and I would encourage efforts to require VISAs from European Nationals until their vetting systems can be brought up to the same standard as ours.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 5:11 PM
Comment #406145

Freak-in-Chief:

Obama is an ardent enthusiast for (freak); and a person who is obsessed with (freak) allowing tens of thousands more refugees from Syria into our country. Warnings have been sounded by those charged with keeping our country safe. The general public is highly concerned.

Yet, our Freak cares not and insists upon having his way and is being obliged by the Freaklet…Kerry.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 16, 2016 5:59 PM
Comment #406147

It must feel embarrassing to have to resort to juvenile name calling.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 16, 2016 7:26 PM
Comment #406150

Why then are most of the refugees Muslim and the Christians, who are being murdered over there, are scarce?

Is it the Obama Administration’s vetting process to allow only Muslim refugees and to leave the Christian refugees to the wolves?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 17, 2016 10:47 AM
Comment #406151

WW,

The vast majority of people dying in Syria are Muslim, not Christian. As far as I know, the Christian proportion to the refugee population matches that of the whole nation.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 17, 2016 12:53 PM
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