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Will Trump Ask? Will Pence Accept?

How tough is the upcoming election going to be? Even tougher than you thought. No, not the presidential election. The race for governor of the state of Indiana. And yes, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the fact that the business community in Indiana turned against the legislation left a mark on Governor Pence. And made his re-election a tougher prospect than it might have been previously.

It seems that Governor Mike Pence is leaning towards perhaps accepting the VP slot on a Trump ticket in order - among other things - to sidestep the Indiana gubernatorial race. Which says something about how tough Indiana's election is shaping up to be. To be fair to Pence - who is a couple of years shy of 60 - maybe he feels that now is the time to switch back again to federal politics, even if joining Trump does not come anywhere close to guaranteeing him a win come November. In other words, use the federal election campaign to broaden his base of potential support with a view to running perhaps for president in 4 or 8 years.

It's a risky call, and no one really knows who Trump will pick. Yes, the odds seem to be stacking up for Pence. But Trump has defied the odds and the orthodox political calculations repeatedly since the grand escalator ride in June last year. Trump could very well change his mind and nominate someone else. He seems to have a preference for former generals, and has not been shy about stating it. And there's Newt Gingrich, who is a favorite choice for many in the GOP.

By Friday, July 15 - the last day for Pence to renounce his running for re-election in Indiana - there should be some more clarity on this issue.

There is also some more possible information on the Philando Castile shooting in Minnesota. But the information is not coming directly from the police, but rather from leaks or police calls that were intercepted. So it's still evolving as they say. But it may be that Castile was thought to be a suspect in an armed robbery committed on July 2, a few days before the shooting. And images from the cellphone seem to show that he had a pistol - which appears similar to the one used in the robbery - resting on his left thigh. Apparently, he was not pulled over for a broken rear light, but rather because the officer thought he may be the suspect they were looking for.

Sources, however, have indicated he did have a carry permit. Was the shooting a case of mistaken identity causing a tragic escalation?

Posted by AllardK at July 13, 2016 10:37 PM
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Comment #406074

Pence probably thinks he’s the next Sarah Palin. I doubt that Drumpf will pick him, although the timing seems to make it likely. It would be a good match, since they’re both UKIP. I’m guessing it will be Gingrich the rhetorician because he needs someone to try to persuade those that aren’t poorly educated.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 14, 2016 4:16 PM
Comment #406078

Ann Coulter called Pence a “combo-platter of disaster.” It is rather remarkable that this possible VP destroyed his presidential hopes in 2015 with a horrendous performance, and as a result, sidelined himself for the 2016 campaign, only to find that made him one of the few candidates Trump could consider. It is also noteworthy that many of the possible candidates, such as Pence, Christie, and Gingrich, all have no political futures after this election cycle. Anyone with a promising future wants nothing to do with Trump.

That’s the thing about supporting a hateful racist, bigot, and xenophobe. Once people go there, they own it. They own Trump. And they own his racism, his bigotry, his hatred of foreigners. That goes double for his VP.

Of course, Pence is already there with bigotry. He pushed the ‘religious freedom’ bill to legalize discrimination. Boy oh boy, he could not sign that bill fast enough. He was so proud of what he had done! And then a massive reaction by his fellow Americans followed, because they do NOT go along with the idea of discrimination and hateful behavior. Pence famously melted down on a television appearance with George Stephanopolous. He got caught trying to defend a law intended to legalize hate, and floundered as the host asked him a simple question six times. That was bad. That was REALLY bad.

And after all is said and done, the funny thing is, Pence is probably better than Gingrich or Christie!

The dumpster fire looks like it’s spreading to the Springfield dump and burning a mountain of tires.

Posted by: phx8 at July 14, 2016 6:41 PM
Comment #406079
Anyone with a promising future wants nothing to do with Trump.

I hope the country feels the same way. I’m already sick to death of hearing from him, and we haven’t even gotten to the convention. I don’t know why the news has to report idiocy just because these idiots exist. They’re driving me off to Sky News Live and France 24 Live just to hear real reporting.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 14, 2016 7:18 PM
Comment #406082

ohrealy,
The problem is that we can not afford to ignore Trump. No matter how unlikely the chances of his winning the election may be, there is still the possibility. It would be an absolute disaster and it could potentially affect me a great deal.

Trump does not know what he is doing. He says things that are just wrong, like unemployment is 20%, and over half of his supporters believe the stock market has gone down and unemployment has increased under Obama. The opposition is true. Today the DJIA & the S&P 500 both set all time record highs. The last jobs report was good, something like the 75th consecutive month of growth in the private job sector (another all-time record) and the unemployment rate is 4.9%, which is essentially full employment.

I’m very much affected by the performance of the stock market. Like most people, I’m also affected by what happens to real estate. Oregon has the hottest real estate market in the entire country. Construction is booming. We downsized last year, and the new place has already appreciated @16%.

If Trump even looks like he might win in November, the stock market will tank. The sell-off will be slow and steady a win by him gets factored in over a month or two, but if it comes as a surprise, look out below! Trump’s threats to start a trade war would be enough to kill the economy all by itself. Think Brexit on steroids.

Furthermore, what a lot of those conservatives fail to understand is that the dollar is strong because our economy is strong. A trade war will send the value of the dollar plummeting against other currencies.

A lot of things will go wrong very quickly if the prospect of a Trump victory looks likely.

Posted by: phx8 at July 14, 2016 10:33 PM
Comment #406091

The Onion’s take on Pence:

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/who-mike-pence-53218

My favorite: “Accomplishments As Governor: Shifted Indiana from oft-overlooked state to lightning rod for condemnation.”

One more thing about Trump crashing the economy. He already stated giving creditors- the holders of US debt- a ‘haircut,’ and negotiate his way into paying 90% of what is owed. That is called a default. It would instantly result in a lower rating on the debt rating and a rise in interest rates. The dollar would fall and money would flee the country as fast as electronic orders could be triggered.

As unlikely as it may be, make no mistake- a Trump win would be a financial disaster, and that disaster could develop very quickly. Money is non-partisan. Money is about money, period. The big money does NOT want to lose large sums. Watch carefully this autumn.

Posted by: phx8 at July 15, 2016 11:14 AM
Comment #406092

I don’t think Drumpf has to be ignored, but the “news” media needs to make some attempt to note the difference between truth and lies, rather than just provide a forum for him to spout nonsense without being challenged. If he wants to do that, he can pay for advertising, instead of the media giving him free publicity. If the ads are patently untrue, then the media certainly has the right to refuse to air them.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 15, 2016 11:17 AM
Comment #406094

I guess the selection of Pence is official now. It looks like Gingrich already knew and has accepted the role of attack dog.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 15, 2016 11:52 AM
Comment #406095

Pence is a classic example of a know-nothing, anti-science Republican. He is a Climate Change Denier of the first order and a dedicated opponent of Planned Parenthood. This guy is not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Where it will really come to the forefront is when Pence has to defend Trump’s lies, rants, and personal feuds. Pence is NOT quick on his feet. Like Ann Coulter said, this guy is a combo-platter of disaster.

Posted by: phx8 at July 15, 2016 2:25 PM
Comment #406097
He is a Climate Change Denier of the first order

All those idiots should go to Miami Beach in the fall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt1OfZdSfxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1dnlHPzhQA

Posted by: ohrealy at July 15, 2016 2:58 PM
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