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Envision President Trump In The Oval Office

I believe protesters that enter political rallies and break bad to get attention should be arrested and charged with something. Maybe stick them with a $10k fine, etc. IT’s bad manners to the max, IMO.

Regarding the noise about a contested convention, I just don't see any way for that to happen. If he mission is to win the Presidency there are only two logical ways to do that. One, is where the winner of the primary is deemed sufficient to win over the dem candidate. Two, is where the party leaders are smart enough to identify a republican who can, fer shure, beat Hillary.

When one looks over the republican candidates other than Trump there is no slam dunk candidate among them. All are tenuous at best. No guaranteed win here.

Now, with Trump, he is very likely to accrue the necessary 1237 votes required to be the strongest candidate. Should he fall short of the required number a contested convention is more likely.

But, here is the thing about Trump. He is bringing large numbers of voters into the republican fold. Whether these voters are dems, indies, or folks who haven't participated in elections before, they are likely to vote for Trump once more in the general election. That gives Trump a hand full of aces in the nomination process.

And, IMO he is the only rep who can best Hillary biggly in the general. And, we know that the next President will be in a position to select two to four SC Justices. Now, that's h-u-g-e.

And, there it is. If Trump ends up with more votes than his closest rival he will be the GOP nominee. I see no way the establishment is willing to select other than Trump and then having that person be defeated by Hillary. I don't think they have the gonads or the stomach for that.

Too much at stake to play politics with that, IMO.

Otherwise - - -

Posted by Roy Ellis at March 11, 2016 6:28 PM
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Donald Trump will have the ability to put people in jail when he’s elected president. The establishment can’t afford that.

Can you imagine Hillbilly going to jail, even if she is guilty? I can see Obama giving her a pardon as soon as the heat is turned on. She, along with many other establishment government types, will face a Trump Justice Department that hasn’t got a guaranteed pardon attached.

That’s why they think they can’t let Trump get elected.


Posted by: Weary Willie at March 12, 2016 8:47 AM
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Wow, how dare I all but forget about Watchblog? I think it’s been about 11 years since I’ve been here, but I see a lot of names I remember; Phx8, Rhinehold, Weary Willie, and of course Stephen Daugherty and others. Quite a few new faces as well. Good evening, folks.

Ah, the green column! Still my favorite outlet. I was going through my old emails and found some from the founding of VOID. Then I remembered David Remer and this blog. In the grand scheme of things, it wasn’t all that long ago, but it really was such a different world with a different kind of anger. Shame the comments aren’t archived (are they?).

I have to say, I think this election cycle is the most excited I’ve been about political upheaval since Ross Perot in 1995. But, Trump has cranked it up way past the comparatively benign panic of the ‘old boy’ republicans back then. In fact, the shock wave is global now, and I love it.

I used to like Bernie Sanders, too, as recently as 10 years ago. What I saw in him was a departure from the typical banker-class politician. He was overwhelmingly funded by regular workers and unions, I think. And Dennis Kucinich was the last democrat politician I had any real respect for.

As I’ve aged and matured, greater understanding of how the world really works has slowly, but steadily, pulled me rightwards. With more than 30 different jobs behind me, I’ve seen immigration’s problems from several different perspectives. But, that’s only the 2nd biggest issue we have, in my opinion.

The biggy is the power of the People having slipped away. Most people would like to get the money out of politics, but they weren’t quite sure how to go about it, and all the while, the government gets bigger, more powerful, and ultimately more valuable. Thus, the problem is exacerbated. Simply voting someone out every chance you get would never completely help matters, since the offered alternatives are more often than not chosen by the banker-class. It’s too slow, besides. In the meantime, I’ve busied myself with talking to people, changing minds one at a time.

Then, along comes Donald Trump. “I don’t want their money”, “I’m self-funding my campaign” … just look at the size of the wrench in the cogs! The man is simultaneously besieged from all sides, and supported by all sides. He’s right about being a unifier in the sense that one first needs to draw a clear line between friend and foe. He may have even done this haphazardly, it’s hard to know for sure, but judging by his business finesse alone, I believe he’s keenly aware of both the timing, and the importance of his campaign.

This is the type of revolution I was talking about years ago. (By the way, maybe this is why Mark Levin is so anti-Trump - because Trump has just rolled right over Levin’s tiny, would-be revolution via article V convention). What I said then was we needed to do what the founding fathers did, and simply turn our backs on the ruling class. Now, maybe Donald isn’t exactly founding father material, maybe he is. I don’t know, but I’ll take him.

From all the uprisings in the recent past; the 99%, the TEA party, the ranchers, 9/11 truthers, the birthers - all this mistrust and discomfort has the same cause: power where it ought not be. Donald Trump of all people, is fighting it for us. About damn time, too.

Posted by: willc at March 14, 2016 7:36 PM
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I read a great quote from some RINO fatcat the other day.

It went something like.

All he’s got going for him is a lot of votes

They were in a meeting on how to stop him. I think they were under the impression that since he’s only got votes behind him he would be easy to stop.

Perhaps I am mistaken.

Posted by: Weary Willie at March 14, 2016 11:37 PM
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I have to say, I think this election cycle is the most excited I’ve been about political upheaval since Ross Perot in 1995. But, Trump has cranked it up way past the comparatively benign panic of the ‘old boy’ republicans back then. In fact, the shock wave is global now, and I love it.

I have to agree, the good thing being many issues of importance to the middle class are being discussed. Well that and drawing in those who thought their vote doesn’t count. Trump deserves credit for that along with Sanders IMHO, willc. Of course the problem with Trump is we continue to be the bully on the world stage. We return to solving problems with force instead of diplomacy. We might put a few people to work with the wall but they will probably be from Mexico seeings as they are going to be paying for the wall. Following Russia into Syria just like we did in Afghanistan doesn’t seem all that smart to me either.

As the protesters at the Trump rallies continue to grow in numbers perhaps Trumps tone will change on minorities. He has after all called for unity in the repub party. Maybe he means a shift towards the center from the far right. We don’t know as he is pretty vague when it comes to details unlike Perot who was much clearer on his policies. The sad thing is he is the best we have to choose from the repubs IMHO. Very sad.

The other negative with a repub president is the one sided control of the country by the repubs on the state and national level. With the SCOTUS and Congress already with repub majorities and many states with majority repub legislatures it seems to me they are the establishment the Trumpsters seek to think are the problem. Seems to be some confusion on their part doesn’t it?

Anyway it will be interesting once the primaries are over and the two parties put their candidates on the debate stage. Maybe some particulars will come out. Maybe a third party will have enough of a backing to be involved in the debate and we will have better choices when it comes to voting. Informed choices and more people voting may be good for the country.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 15, 2016 1:07 PM
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willc,

Welcome back to Watchblog! I definitely value your opinion and hopefully we will have many constructive dialogues in the future. I too briefly flirted with the prospect of supporting Trump. Unfortunately, Trump’s open pandering to America’s racism has made it extremely difficult for me to endorse him. Nonetheless, I share your sentiments of being left behind by both political parities. Neither Clinton, nor Sanders, nor Cruz represent my views nor will they earn my support in November.

Posted by: Warren Porter at March 15, 2016 10:17 PM
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Maybe he means a shift towards the center from the far right.

Yes, yet unlike Perot, Trump is wise to keep things vague until he spars with Hillary, and that’s because ‘say-anything’ politicians like Ted Cruz will try to steal and rebrand his positions. Analyzing the elections results tonight, I’m seeing Hillary and Trump winning virtually the same counties state by state. So in spite of Trump’s lack of focused policy, and in light of the massive upturn in republican voter turnouts, the centrist public at large is steering drastically toward an outsider, heedless of that outsider’s vision (or lack thereof).

Besides, we’re in a very different world than the closed-link past of limited information in 1995-96. People went to libraries, they didn’t have cell phones, and there was no widely accessible news aggregates. Presidential candidates these days are quotable to the point of nudity.

Besides, this time, it’s all about how pissed you are.

Posted by: willc at March 16, 2016 1:29 AM
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Thank you, Warren, I’m really glad to be back.

Unfortunately, Trump’s open pandering to America’s racism has made it extremely difficult for me to endorse him.

I quote this because I agree with everything else you said.

Trump is most decidedly not a racist. Why did he win Michigan, and in particular, Dearborn county, where the highest concentration of Muslims in America live AND desire Sharia law? He won there because the people there see ISIS as more their enemy than does the American government. We can get conspiratorial about how these folks would rather stay under the radar until they get their big chance, but why wouldn’t they make it easier on themselves and vote democrat? Perhaps they’d simply rather not be associated with swords and Christian necks.

And what exactly is racist about pointing out that Mexican immigrants, both legal and otherwise, are taking advantage of America’s generosity? The southern border is an absolute joke. I’ll grant that Mexicans do have an admirable work ethic, but their money goes south, at our expense, whether they work for it or not.

The only racism I’ve seen projected onto the Trump campaign thus far has been the BlackLivesMatter/Sanderbot raid on his rally in Chicago, yet he won Cook county!

The 21st disavowing of David Duke won’t amount to a hill of beans because Trump just is not a racist.

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Trump will have great fun challenging both Hillary and Obama on their records in office.

Have black people prospered under Obama?

Are more Americans employed now under Obama?

Is our country safer from terrorism under Obama?

Have we much to show for the trillions in added national debt under Obama?

Are average employed Americans better off with ObamaCare?

Is our military stronger or weaker under Obama?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 16, 2016 3:37 PM
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Folks are like the frog in hot water with this two party system. Political parties aren’t mentioned in the Constitution yet ‘they’, the party bosses, have huge influence on who gets the nod to run for office.

Insult to injury is that when one talks of a 3rd party to fight fire with fire most come out against this SOLUTION.

The parties use their influence to make sure a muckraker doesn’t make it to high office. They cut this path much like they cut the path to Article V part II.

They seem really determined to push Trump out of the catbird seat. Makes one wonder what they had planned for the next 4 years.

Maybe they will have a strong talk with Trump and if they can get some agreement they might let him pass to nomination.

Some officials are saying Trump will get a pass if he has the majority of the vote. Others are saying if he is short of the required number it will definitely go to a contested convention. IF so, Trump says there will be riots. I suspect he is right.

I believe it will be contested and an attempt made to work in an establishment friendly person. The GOP has worked since the 80’s to get this globalisation thing up and running. One can only imagine the effort and $$ put into that. They sure don’t want a newbie to come in and tell them how to do it better and so on - - -

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: Roy Ellis at March 16, 2016 11:16 PM
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willc,

Please note. I did not say Trump is a racist. I am confident that he is not. However, he panders to the racism that is endemic in his supporters. It exposes him as a coward who is unable to stand up to his constituents and take a tough stand that may cost him support.

Trump is most decidedly not a racist. Why did he win Michigan, and in particular, Dearborn county, where the highest concentration of Muslims in America live AND desire Sharia law? He won there because the people there see ISIS as more their enemy than does the American government. We can get conspiratorial about how these folks would rather stay under the radar until they get their big chance, but why wouldn’t they make it easier on themselves and vote democrat? Perhaps they’d simply rather not be associated with swords and Christian necks.

Dearborn is only 40% Arab American with a significant number of Arab Christians. I am more apt to guess that Trump won the place from his support among non-Muslim residents. Ultimately, it is very difficult to draw the sort of conclusions you are making without exit polling that actually identifies the religion of Trump voters. Likewise, some commentators believe that Sanders’ performance Dearborn signifies a victory over anti-Semitism. But I remain skeptical.

And what exactly is racist about pointing out that Mexican immigrants, both legal and otherwise, are taking advantage of America’s generosity? The southern border is an absolute joke. I’ll grant that Mexicans do have an admirable work ethic, but their money goes south, at our expense, whether they work for it or not.

The problem is twofold. First of all, the claim is false. Mexican immigrants are no different than immigrants from elsewhere. Everywhere I look, immigrants of all stripes have overwhelmingly benefited the US and I see zero reason to believe recent entrants from Mexico are any different.

Second of all. Trump did not merely say Mexican immigrants are taking advantage of American generosity. Trump alleged a conspiracy on the part of the Mexican government to undermine the US. He claimed that the Mexican government was actively sending criminally minded people across the border to disrupt American society through murder, rape and the drug trade. Not only are all these claims false, but they are terribly racist as they are prefaced not upon facts or figures, but rather on well-tread racist stereotypes that should have been dispensed with generations ago.

The 21st disavowing of David Duke won’t amount to a hill of beans because Trump just is not a racist.
The fact that Trump effortlessly disavowed Duke 16 years ago as well as the Friday before the infamous MTP interview demonstrates to me that he is not personally a racist. The fact that he struggled to do the same on one Sunday tells me that something in his mind is telling him that denouncing Duke will cost him votes. Ultimately, my conclusion is that while Trump is not personally a racist, he believes many of his supporters to be racists and accordingly panders to them.

RF,
The answer to all your questions is: YES!

Black unemployment has dropped from nearly 17% down to 10%.

At least 10 million jobs have been created in Obama’s 8 years.

No major terrorist attacks in the US over 7.5 years under Obama’s leadership. Recent attacks in Europe (such as Paris attack last November) were much smaller than the attacks that happened under Bush’s leadership (such as the Madrid train boming). Also, Osama bin Laden’s assassination has left Al Qaeda in tatters and unable to organize attacks. DAESH poses a continued threat, but the bombing campaign in Syria is doing the most we can do absent a ground invasion. More notably, Obama has kept America safe by avoiding a costly war overseas (such as in Syria). Also, Iran’s nuclear program has been thoroughly neutered by the recent agreement.

After adding trillions of dollars of debt, the Keynesian stimulus has given us one of the longest bull markets of all time.

Recent growth in Obama’s approval indicates the increased confidence Americans have with his leadership.

American defense spending continues to overwhelm all of our rivals, so there is no reason to doubt the strength of our military.

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