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A Couple of Questions for the GOP in 2016

The problem isn’t Trump. In terms of the GOP, that is. And especially in terms of voters who describe themselves as Republicans. That’s the thing that seems to be distracting the party’s establishment. They can’t believe that Donald Trump is still leading the polls (or near the top) now in early January, just weeks from Iowa and New Hampshire. And some are still certain that Trump will not - cannot, shall not - be the party’s nominee for President of the United States of America.

And they are convinced that Trump is a problem, the problem for now at least, until he finally makes his exit - stage left or stage right it really doesn't matter.

But is The Donald a cause of headaches and grumpiness amongst GOP insiders or a symptom of voter anger? If one asks: would he have gained similar traction had he run a couple of electoral cycles ago; the answer is almost certainly no.

The conventional wisdom of the last few generations seems to be that in the Republican Party you do your time and show some executive ability or at least political skills of some sort, and you eventually - with luck and lots of endorsements and the cash they bring in - get your turn. In other words, you do not get your turn without waiting your for your turn.

The question in 2016 is: is it now the voters' turn? How many disappointments and perceived betrayals have turned and twisted in the patient souls of GOP voters around the country for more than a few electoral cycles?

Is some of it just part and parcel of any democracy's electoral system and the unavoidable gap between expectations and promises, and what is legislatively doable? Of course.

But there is more to it than that in 2016. Donald Trump has achieved a twofold goal: he has stated what his supporters think without regard for insider beltway coalition building in which lobbies are a key piece of the puzzle. And he has presented himself as a perfect target for those very insiders to hurl insults and criticisms at. Criticisms they would never publicly admit to directing at individual voters who hold many of the same views as Trump.

You can't blame voters - that's the route to electoral suicide or tyranny. You certainly can blame Trump.

At what point will this change? That is, if Trump does not finally stumble and fail at achieving the nomination. A good question for the start of 2016. Will Kristol's third-party threat actually become a reality if Trump keeps winning? Another good question for 2016.

Posted by AllardK at January 7, 2016 6:55 PM
Comments
Comment #401868

The “problem” is that The Donald speaks like a businessman and not a politician. The people do not accept the politicianese that the candidates are so skilled at spewing forth. It is the phrases like, “We should” which is not a commitment but a recognition that it is correct that “We should”. Many of the politicians. do commit to a “safe” commitment. Such as, “I will commit to more education”. Or “I will cut spending”, which is one of the top three lies politicians make.

Except for a very, very few do the candidates make the commitments that they are willing to stick with. They are usually the ones who “don’t have the experience to govern.” Of course they did not have the experience when they got involved, but oh, that doesn’t apply to me. Well those same ones don’t have the ability to make the decisions that should be made on behalf of the American citizenry.

The American people have shown they are frustrated with candidates like O’Malley who cannot even spin his wheels to get out of the rut and Graham who is just plain pathetic. And there are many more both at the national and state and local levels.

Now to conclude. The reason why The Donald is where he is, is that he knows what the people want and desire. Now whether he betrays the American people or not remains to be seen.

Posted by: tom humes at January 9, 2016 4:10 PM
Comment #401873

Same song, different verse. FOX and Limbaugh and Hannity and many others have stoked the fires of hatred and fear for a long time. They have encouraged the GOP base to believe a lot of things that simply are not true. They have pretended they could fulfill promises in a divided government. I don’t know why the GOP base believes it, but they do.

The GOP base does not understand because they have been fed bad information for so long, the real world no longer makes sense. The reality? Obama has been a very good president. The economy is good. Global Warming is arguably the biggest problem we face. And it is hard for even the most stalwart conservative not to notice the value of their house has recovered under Obama, their 401k has done well, and there are a lot of jobs available, and lots of construction. There is no inflation, low interest rates, and we are now in one of the longest periods without a recession in a very long time.

So the GOP base is utterly at sea. It has nothing left but fear and hatred and a lot of confusion about what to do.

Meanwhile, the establishment GOP promises tax cuts that will do nothing for the base, including corporate tax cuts. It offers them deregulation and privatization, but that does not actually help the base either, and they know it. It makes the same promises again and again, even though those promises are impossible to fulfill in a divided government.

Trump ‘says what they think.’ He spews hatred and bigotry and resentment and racism. He spews xenophobia and misogyny. He engages in name calling and makes vague, grandiose promises without actually articulating policies, just like the base has seen and heard so often on FOX and Limbaugh and Hannity and Savage and Coulter. And with half the GOP believing Obama is a Muslim and a socialist, and that the economy is actually bad, and Global Warming is a hoax put together by almost all the scientists in the world…

Conservatives- you deserve this. You brought it on yourselves. Now deal with it.

Posted by: phx8 at January 9, 2016 8:30 PM
Comment #401878

Tom,

“The “problem” is that The Donald speaks like a businessman and not a politician.”

Sorry Tom, Trump speaks like a carnival barker. Trump is a media whore who is willing to say anything as long as it will focus the spotlight on himself.

Charles Pierce came up with the Third Great Premise of Idiot America;

“Fact is that which enough people believe. Truth is determined by how fervently they believe it.”

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 10, 2016 10:18 AM
Comment #401879

Trump is the man when it comes to repub/conservative politics. Look at the other choices, Cruz! Rubio! Huckabee! Bush!! After a bit you realize Trump is the most sane of the lot. The least narcissistic, the most truthful of the pack of liars and thieves that is the repub choices this time around.

If you think Trump is a problem now just wait until after Iowa when Cruz wins and then has to face the lawsuit from Trump that questions whether Cruz has the citizenship requirements meant in his bid to turn America into a Theocracy.

Trump is the repubs working poor who have bought into the propaganda best choice but not Americas best choice. He at the least gives them the lip service they need instead of kowtowing to the billionaires. My god look at the other repub candidates meeting in SC to discuss opportunities for the lower income base, who would have thought they would have bothered without Trump raising the issue. Running scared and rightfully so these guys are.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 10, 2016 12:16 PM
Comment #401885

j2t2 you could easily have an avowed Socialist as your nominee for president. Does that feel great?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 11, 2016 12:35 PM
Comment #401886

“j2t2 you could easily have an avowed Socialist as your nominee for president. Does that feel great?”

Jeeze, a Socialist and a Fascist, sounds like a death match made in heaven.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 11, 2016 12:59 PM
Comment #401887

Royal, it seems to me the choice between the repubs and dems is Corporatist/Fascist or a democratic socialist so democratic socialist doesn’t sound to bad. The more I see of the crony capitalist system, the income inequality, the corruption of government, the loss of sovereignty due to conservative policies we have now the less bothered of democratic socialism I am.

Before you start yelling communist and other such nonsense be advised that IMHO Conservatism as practiced in this country today is Fascism which I find to be worse, so much worse, than Socialism.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 11, 2016 1:00 PM
Comment #401888

Trump is the result of an overreaching out of control government and the ridiculous cries of ‘hatred’ ‘bigotry’ ‘racism’ and ‘fascism’ towards all who dare question it.

Who’s to blame? The so-called establishment Republicans and their part in taking this nation further left than it has ever been before.

Trump didn’t create this rift, he is just capitalizing on it.

Posted by: kctim at January 11, 2016 1:47 PM
Comment #401891

Conservatism as practiced in this country today is Fascism which I find to be worse, so much worse, than Socialism.
Posted by: j2t2 at January 11, 2016 1:00 PM

Your comment is simply ridiculous. Please advise us all of your jaundiced connection between any Republican candidate and Fascism.

Your acceptance of a Socialist president doesn’t surprise me or anyone else I am certain.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 11, 2016 2:07 PM
Comment #401892

Royal it is simply historic fact that conservatives supported fascism when it reared it’s head in Europe, until it showed it’s colors that is, and look at the parallels today. I will go into detail later on as time is short now. But you do realize the most famous appeaser was a conservative.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 11, 2016 2:21 PM
Comment #401894

LOL, j2t2 needs to take “Spin” lessons from Speaks.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 11, 2016 2:51 PM
Comment #401896

More trouble for the anointed one. Public corruption from the Clinton Crime Syndicate sounds about right to me.

“The FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of private email as secretary of state has expanded to look at whether the possible “intersection” of Clinton Foundation work and State Department business may have violated public corruption laws, three intelligence sources not authorized to speak on the record told Fox News.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/11/fbis-clinton-probe-expands-to-public-corruption-track.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 11, 2016 5:44 PM
Comment #401898

Sigh. Another ‘anonymous sources tell FOX News’ story about Obama or Holder or Clinton. And yet, somehow, nothing ever comes of it. At some point one would think it will strain the credulity of the saps and the rubes. At some point one would think there is a risk they’ll notice.

Unless they have the memory of a gnat. Which seems likely.

Case in point. Caught a few minutes of Limbaugh this morning. He ranted about HRC and how she is a liar and untrustworthy, and how Democrats have no enthusiasm for her and will not show up to vote, and she will be sure to lose, and to lose big big big. A minute later, he ranted about how the establishment was blaming Trump for destroying the party, but it was really the establishment’s fault; they destroyed the GOP, not Trump.

There is a bizarre belief among the extreme right wing and conservative evangelicals that they represent the majority, and the only reason Obama won by so much was that they did not turn out to vote for Romney. The idea here is that if only they nominate a true conservative, so many fringie right wingers and evangelicals will show up, the GOP nominee will win. It’s a silly idea steeped in conspiracy, with no evidence to support it. Polls showing otherwise? Conspiracy! People are not telling the pollsters the truth, but will miraculously show up in droves on judgment day or voting day or whatever and elect Trump or Cruz or some other whack job.

Funny. When McCain faced questions about being born on an AFB in Panama, the Senate passed a resolution expressing their belief that he was a naturally born citizen. And what about Cruz? The Senate won’t lift a finger for him. Neither will the RNC. Just goes to show how much Cruz is despised. And voters believe Cruz will make a good president because… what? It’s all just unmoored, unhinged nuttiness.

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2016 7:05 PM
Comment #401899

“Sigh. Another ‘anonymous sources…”

I know, an FBI investigation is so boring.

phx8 continues his comments with pure whimsy to bolster his flagging belief that Hillary can stay out of prison long enough to take the Oath of Office…LOL. But then, the old, white, Marxist Socialist may just beat her.

The Democrat Party of past notable leaders is dead and buried.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 11, 2016 7:16 PM
Comment #401900

Love to read phx8 and the libs grasping at straws…LOL

“Congress has recognized since the Founding, a person born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent is generally a U.S. citizen from birth with no need for naturalization. And the phrase “natural born Citizen” in the Constitution encompasses all such citizens from birth. Thus, an individual born to a U.S. citizen parent — whether in California or Canada or the Canal Zone — is a U.S. citizen from birth and is fully eligible to serve as President if the people so choose.”

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 11, 2016 7:27 PM
Comment #401901

Actually, I agree that Cruz is a natural born citizen. It is not me Trump is trying to convince. He was one of the most prominent Birthers in 2012, and the gist of his argument was that Obama’s mother, an American citizen, flew to Kenya to have her baby, and therefore Obama is not a natural born citizen. This conspiracy received a lot of support among Republicans. Up to half of the conservative GOP did not believe Obama was an American citizen. Now Trump and the Birthers are trotting out the same theory and applying it to Cruz, who was, in fact, born in a foreign country.

Not my problem. I believe Cruz meets the eligibility requirement. But I sure do enjoy watching Trump go after Cruz on this one, and I sure do enjoy watching Republican Senators and the RNC have not raise one finger to support Cruz. He is widely detested.

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2016 8:24 PM
Comment #401903

“There is a bizarre belief among the extreme right wing and conservative evangelicals that they represent the majority”

Sounds almost as bad as the extremist liberal wing of the Democratic Party, just without all the false claims of racism, hate, bigotry, and all the 1% and stolen elections conspiracies.

You guys are a hoot.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2016 9:10 AM
Comment #401904

Royal, when you run the typical dishonest liberal hypocrite and a self-avowed socialist, all you really have is to grasp at straws.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2016 9:21 AM
Comment #401907

Haters gonna hate, such good examples of what I spoke of Royal and kctim. Here is an interesting read from one on your team.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/opinion/the-brutalism-of-ted-cruz.html?_r=0

Posted by: j2t2 at January 12, 2016 9:51 AM
Comment #401908

J2, you spoke of some fascism conspiracy and have yet to justify that silly claim.
The crony capitalist system you speak of is using the government leftists gave so much power to in the past and advocates for giving more power to today.
The income inequality you speak of is encouraged by the government programs that people have been made dependent on.
The loss of sovereignty you speak of is based on the simple majority rule over all, not self governance.

And only in 2016 America could a person standing up for our Constitution be seen as an extremist, while the person advocating the destruction of it out of a hint of “compassion, gentleness and mercy” is seen as some kind of a savior.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2016 10:17 AM
Comment #401909

j2t2,
Just read that article this morning and was going to link it on WB too. There is no need to go to the “extremist liberal wing of the Democratic Party” to find examples of claims about Trump and Cruz and others being racists, bigots, and haters. The column by conservative Republican Brooks says it all. And it Brooks somehow proves to be insufficiently conservative and Republican, there are tons of examples from other conservative Republicans denouncing the racism, bigotry, and hatred of Trump and Cruz. I’m not even talking columnists or some rando comment on a blog. I’m talking conservative Republican presidential candidates-Republican senators and governors- denouncing the same thing.

But kctim’s reaction is a textbook example of the defense mechanism employed by extremist, radical conservatives when criticized: name calling, denial, refusal to refute facts, refusal to cite supporting facts, and finally resorting to a pose of superiority, as if they are in a position to look down upon such “false claims” as a “hoot” that need not be addressed.

Others will choose to remain in a bubble, an echo chamber, and ignore everything happening outside that contradicts their beliefs.

Posted by: phx8 at January 12, 2016 10:50 AM
Comment #401910

Anonymous sources have it that the last democratic debate will happen in Kansas. Not because it is in the central part of the country, it is so that Hillary will be within walking distance to Leavenworth. There might be something to this. It will have to be checked out. Would not surprise me in the least.

px8 might want to start a national support program for Hillary. Of course she does not need it. With her millions from the nations that do not give women a voice and the dirty money from all over. She has enough shame to spread all over her overweight body. Which we will witness shortly when the fat “lady” sings. Put that in the prophecy column.

Posted by: tom humes at January 12, 2016 10:56 AM
Comment #401911

Phx8, I am no Conservative, but like them I prefer facts.

So, please tell us exactly what actual facts have been presented to be refuted?
Name calling? You guys are on the left side of the political spectrum. For Pete’s sake, it’s not like I am slinging lies by calling you racists, hateful or bigots.
Denial? Yes, I deny that your opinion should be taken as any sort of fact.
Feeling of superiority? Please. The false claims have been addressed many times over already.

“Others will choose to remain in a bubble, an echo chamber, and ignore everything happening outside that contradicts their beliefs.”

Well, that does indeed explain the Hillary supporters. As for myself though, I wish you guys would start posting some actual facts that could be debated, rather than just the opinion you try to pass off as fact.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2016 11:27 AM
Comment #401912

Royal the sad thing is I’m not spinning anything, I’m hoping you guys wake up before it is to late. Because you brought up socialism” instead of the actual “democratic socialism” of Bernie Sanders I thought it was time to point out a few bits of historical information as well.

So the appeaser as we know was Neville Chamberlain, a conservative leader of Great Britain in the ‘30’s. Why did Chamberlain appease the fascist and the nazi as they took over parts of Europe? I believe it was because the conservatives of the day were on the side of the fascist/nazi in so far as they were staunch anti communist. Many big business men of the day as well as many in his own party agreed with these guys on many issues and actually helped fund their cause.

The allure of fascism to those on the far right was powerful and it wasn’t until the horrific actions of these guys came to light that these conservatives saw the light. Remember the context of the time, depression, post WWI reparations and nationalism left the leaders looking for someone to blame.

So with this brief synopsis of then lets move forward a bit. Today we have conservatives in state legislatures enacting state voter suppression laws under the guise of fraud despite the number of cases of fraud being minimal and the laws not addressing the actual cases. Compare that to the number of gun deaths a year and we hear, from conservatives, “s**t happens” don’t need no laws. Instead we see so called conservatives/libertarians/crony capitalist/fascist arming themselves and taking over government buildings.

We see conservatives supporting the laws that allow dark money, or bribes, and unlimited money from corporations and billionaires as they turn our government into an oligarchy. We see “free trade” agreements used to allow corporations to usurp local, state and federal laws. These trade agreements are supported by corporatist/fascist business leaders who then buy our elected officials. Meanwhile we see conservative lead state legislatures enact anti union laws at the insistence of these far right business leaders.

Then of course we have the blaming of minorities, immigrants,homosexuals, the poor, the working poor, and Muslims. It seems conservative leaders as they move ever farther to the right, into fascism, use these groups and an excuse for the problems we face today. Meanwhile we have conservative ideology such as supply side economics and free trade destroying the middle class of this country. We have free speech zones for protesters yet we allow lobbyist and their money free and easy access to our representatives in government.

So I would suggest that as you see socialism and democratic socialism as one and the same I to see corporatism/fascism/ crony capitalism and conservatism as one and the same. I know you would like to use the talk conservatives talk instead of the walk they walk when making comparison but I don’t. Let me address that with a quote:

From It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”


Posted by: j2t2 at January 12, 2016 12:08 PM
Comment #401913

Wow J2. With all due respect man, do you actually believe all of that stuff?
I mean, I can agree that we need to better address our trade, lobbying and corporate influence problems, but to actually believe that any of that other stuff is anything more than biased opinion, is kind of out there.

Sounds like you’re a victim of the lefts own propaganda.

Posted by: kctim at January 12, 2016 2:14 PM
Comment #401915

j2t2, I have written before that I am in favor of a “flat tax” to alleviate some of the outrageous conduct and coziness between big business and government now enabled by congress and administered by the IRS.

Eliminate the IRS and it becomes more difficult to legally funnel money to big business who, in exchange, underwrite political campaigns.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 12, 2016 3:03 PM
Comment #401917
Wow J2. With all due respect man, do you actually believe all of that stuff?

Kctim, I have stated facts, not religious dogma I believe or have faith in,just reasonable conclusions based upon the facts presented. Nothing about conspiracy theories just facts and conclusions based upon the actions of these people.

Certainly you can try to suppress the vote by claiming fraud but when the facts tell us the number of cases of fraud are so minimal a reasonable conclusion would be voter suppression, especially when this same group of people claiming fraud look at the much higher number of gun deaths and tell us “s**t happens” any one unbiased would come to the conclusion these people aren’t being honest. Especially when this group of people are the only ones to vote for these laws, these template laws from a conservative organization. When we are told by conservative leaders they can win more elections when less people vote, and then we notice these laws target the poor and minorities, those less likely to vote for conservatives. Especially when it is only conservatives in the states purging voter rolls. Now this is a collection of factual information kctim that can be used to develop a reasonable conclusion.

But hey lets balance it out a bit kctim, lets look for socialist or liberal state legislators or organizations that are actively limiting the right of the people of this country to vote. How about liberal or socialist officials at the state level purging voters from the rolls. Not aware of any kctim how about you?

Royal, the regressive income tax you mention is just a means to take yet more from the working poor in this country.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 13, 2016 1:33 AM
Comment #401919

Come on J2, you haven’t stated any facts, you just repeated current talking-points.

It is impossible for us to know how much voter fraud actually occurs.
Proper ID is available to everybody in the state.
The law applies to everybody in the state.

Those are all unbiased facts, J2.

Claiming voter fraud is to minimal to care about or that it is rampant in every election, are “reasonable conclusions” one forms to support their position. They are opinions.
Claiming that people are to dumb or poor to get ID, are excuses to justify ones opinion, they are not facts.

“especially when this same group of people claiming fraud look at the much higher number of gun deaths…”

A truly unbiased person can easily see that your positions on the issues, not the actual facts, is what forms your opinions on the issues.

US population: 320,000,000 plus.
Number of murders committed with a gun: 10,000 or so.
10,000 is 0.003125% of 320,000,000.

Number of gun deaths each year: 32,000 or so.
32,000 is 0.01% of 320,000,000.

Are you sure you want to base your ‘concern’ on “higher numbers,” J2?

Either way though, the support of less government and more individual rights is NOT what makes one a fascist.

No matter how you slice it, there is no call by the right for a ‘centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, with severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.’

Posted by: kctim at January 13, 2016 10:52 AM
Comment #401920
Come on J2, you haven’t stated any facts, you just repeated current talking-points.

Talking points from who kctim! It saddens me you resort to such underhanded tactics to hide the truth. Supporting those that would deny the vote while talking about the individual and his liberty, is talking the talk not walking the walk.

Those are all unbiased facts, J2.

You are certainly entertaining in your defense of those voter suppression laws. The twisting and turning of facts, the blind eye to facts is sad to watch as you protect movement leaders. But don’t say you weren’t warned.

>blockquote>Either way though, the support of less government and more individual rights is NOT what makes one a fascist.

Once more kctim in case you missed it the first time around.

” I know you would like to use the talk conservatives talk instead of the walk they walk when making comparison but I don’t. Let me address that with a quote:

From It Can’t Happen Here: “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.” “

kctim, there are more gun deaths than cases of voter fraud no matter how you tweak the numbers. But for grins lets say they are exactly equal. Why aren’t all these conservatives state legislatures passing ALEC laws curtailing guns as they have done for the “crisis” in the voting booth?

If its figures you want -
“One recent study found only 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation in 12 years. Another analysis found that out of 197 million votes cast for federal elections from 2002 to 2005 only 40 voters out of 197 million were indicted for fraud…. Now for those of you who are math majors… the percentage is 0.00002 percent.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/13/republican-voter-suppression-guide-2014-edition.html

Your defense of the conservatism as practiced is telling IMHO, you are part of the problem I refer to. Despite all evidence to the contrary you simply cannot realize you are being played by conservative leaders, you refuse to acknowledge they are actively pursuing voter suppression despite so much evidence supporting the claim. You talk of individual liberty yet you support those that would take the vote away from others.

This is just one of the issues I have raised which in turn is just a starting point that leads to the conclusion that conservatism as practiced is fascism/corporatism with a different name. Instead of all the red herrings you use to defend these people why not take closer look at what these guys do not what they say.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 13, 2016 11:46 AM
Comment #401921

“Despite all evidence to the contrary you simply cannot realize you are being played by conservative leaders…”

Which Republican “leaders” do you consider conservative j2?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 13, 2016 2:44 PM
Comment #401935

Royal, good question, the answer is the money men, their mouthpieces and groups that do their dirty work.

SO who all would that include? I would suggest the JBS and it’s off shoots like the Koch Bros that provide money to suppress the vote,groups like ALEC that provide the bills to law makers that suppress the vote. They also provide laws to suppress the unions.They call for military supremacy to fight the commies.

Perhaps the religious right leaders such as Pat Robertson who attempts to intertwine religion and government. The different groups that promote liberty for the upper class, which is a basic tenant of conservatism, instead of liberty for all. The strict constitutionalist that would prevent government from protecting the weak from the strong, Anthony Scalia. The small government drown it in the bathtub types, Grover Norquist, The supply side economist such as Laffler, who tell us job creators shouldn’t have to pay taxes. The NeoCons who militarized democracy and stuffed it down the throats of other nations, GWB. The propagandist that convert the masses,Rupert Murdoch. Those still fighting the communist, all 3 of them in this country, while doing business with China and other dictatorships. The far right militia men and Tea Party leaders that protect corporate power and identify scapegoats, who justify police shooting kids.

Seems this is a long list and not anyone of them fit the bill entirely yet the fascist agenda seems to be moving forward. So the question is who is pulling their strings? Royal you tell me who has went to far to the right into fascism from conservatism?

Lawrence Britt calls these the 14 identifying characteristics of fascism. [4]

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Supremacy of the Military
Rampant Sexism
Controlled Mass Media
Obsession with National Security
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Corporate Power is Protected
Labor Power is Suppressed
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fraudulent Elections


Posted by: j2t2 at January 14, 2016 12:06 PM
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