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Bernie Sanders Is About Picket Lines

Bernie Sanders is sweating it out on the campaign trail. Sweat as a virtue that is: he works the crowds across Iowa and the country and has built a base of devoted followers. So sweat as honest toil. And honest being the fact that the old-fashioned, left-wing, Vermont-based hippie really means what he says. And aging hippie would apply more to some of his followers than the junior senator from Vermont. Bernie toils with the issues - from an aggressively anti-business perspective that wholeheartedly supports unions. He actually joins picket lines even if he also gives podcasts. So he is, in a sense, old-fashioned. He may update his portfolio of issues to stay abreast of the latest evils of capitalism, but he goes at those issues like someone stumping from less media-centric eras.

Bernie Sanders is authentic, in other words. And he is now ahead of Hillary, or neck-in-neck, in the polls. All the while the GOP has been racked by rebellion, the Democratic establishment has appeared to be above that sort of internal fray. Not so, and it's been clear for a little while, in fact. It's just that people and, perhaps even the media, seemed even more incredulous that a Bernie Sanders could seriously challenge a Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, than they were over the sustainability of Trump's campaign. Are Democrat voters more inclined to support a single candidate and actually go out and vote for the nominee - be it Bernie or Hillary? It clearly is too early to tell what Hillary's die-hard supporters - who have waited a long, long time for the chance to see their candidate get the nomination - will do if Bernie wins it instead. If his surging poll numbers continue, cracks in the Democrat voter base will likely appear. But for now, there does not seem to be the same kind of we'll-stay-at-home threat if our candidate does not win. This will be key because it could be that the 2016 election is shaping up to be a contest between rebellious outsiders. And, up till now, that's drawing people in rather than driving them away.

Posted by AllardK at September 11, 2015 5:14 PM
Comments
Comment #398376

Just to be clear, Sanders and HRC are close in IA and NH, but HRC is ahead by a very large margin nationwide:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Her lead becomes even bigger when Biden is not included in the polls. In addition, HRC has an extensive organization in the field, and 20% of the superdelegates- about 440- have already publicly or privately committed to her.

The media- particularly CNN and FOX- are absolutely desperate for a Democratic presidential ‘horse race’ story. FOX spends about 1/3 of its program attacking HRC and another 1/3 excitedly telling its poor deluded listeners that Biden/Warren/Gore/Kerry might jump in the race at any moment because HRC is so weak. Sanders is virtually ignored.

Sadly for CNN and FOX, there really isn’t a horse race, and no one who follows politics actually believes that. The big question is whether all those enthused Millenials who are supporting Sanders today will get behind HRC when she is the nominee. I think they will.

Posted by: phx8 at September 11, 2015 6:29 PM
Comment #398385

At least Bernie is honest about who, and what he is. Hillary on the other hand is as corrupt as a day is long. Couple that with being a liar, and criminal it’s no wonder she is losing support. The email thing will be a disaster for her should she get the nomination. It will blow up when she can least afford it.

Posted by: dbs at September 12, 2015 11:21 AM
Comment #398386

dbs,
Another fake scandal bites the dust:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/11/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-crumbles-justice-department-laws-broken.html

Too bad. So sad.

Always lots of accusations, but somehow, when the time comes to pony up and provide proof, provide evidence, the scandals disappear from the headlines.

Doesn’t it seem odd to you, dbs? Surely it must have occurred to you by now that something is wrong. There are all these accusations calling Hillary Clinton a liar or criminal or corrupt, and yet, it never amounts to anything. No indictments, no trials, no convictions, no evidence, no proof. Aren’t you suspicious? At what point do you begin to suspect you are being taken advantage of?

Posted by: phx8 at September 12, 2015 11:43 AM
Comment #398388

Alrighty then, let’s get Hillbilly in the White House again so we can find out if the Chinese or the Russians hacked her personal server! We all know a personal server in a closet is more secure than a government server, right?

Joke of the day:

Q: How do you find out if a sitting president is being blackmailed?

A: Wait for the media to tell you.


Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2015 1:17 PM
Comment #398390

We all know how to bribe a sitting president, don’t we?

Yes, we let the media tell us.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 12, 2015 1:20 PM
Comment #398416

Jeez Weary this thread is about Sanders, Bernie Sanders the guy running for president. Here you are linking to an article that has Obama and some other great presidents in it. Now I will think of Theodore Roosevelt and the other Nobel Peace Prize winning presidents when I hear the name Bernie Sanders.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 13, 2015 11:32 AM
Comment #398417

Kinda like a thrill running up your leg, eh? Nothing like schoolboy infatuation, right, j2t2?

I know, the article says a lot about liberal progressives. They don’t care about the constitution, you know, accepting “prizes” while in office.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.


Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 12:37 PM
Comment #398425
without the consent of the Congress

Obama has consent from Congress to accept prizes from foreign states.

However, the Nobel Prize comes from the Nobel Prize Foundation, which is a private organization located in Sweden. Yes, the organization that selects the Peace Prize recipients is selected by the Norwegian Storting, but the Storting has explicitly said the committee isn’t a representative of the Norwegian government.

Both Henry Kissinger and Woodrow Wilson were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, yet no evidence exists for any specific Congressional authorization for either.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2015 1:17 PM
Comment #398438
(A) an employee as defined by section 2105 of this title and an officer or employee of the United States Postal Service or of the Postal Rate Commission;

What? Did you link to the article you thought you were linking to?


Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 4:25 PM
Comment #398439

Obama received a prize while in office. That is an unlawful act as per the constitution. The highest law in the land.

Just because another progressive got away with breaking the law doesn’t mean this one can.

But then again, when you live in a “Democracy” laws don’t matter, just the majority.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 4:28 PM
Comment #398440

Check again:

(E) the President and the Vice President;

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2015 4:39 PM
Comment #398445


(2) Within 60 days after accepting a tangible gift of more than minimal value (other than a gift described in paragraph (1)(B)(ii)), an employee shall—
(A) deposit the gift for disposal with his or her employing agency; or
(B) subject to the approval of the employing agency, deposit the gift with that agency for official use.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 5:23 PM
Comment #398446

Obama’s acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize was unconstitutional.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 5:25 PM
Comment #398447

Weary, Lets not lose focus here on the fact that the world thought enough of Obama to award him this honor. To try and tarnish this moment with such hatefulness does both you and your country a disservice. This breaking the law meme has no merit, it is groundless an only serves to make yourself look foolish.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 13, 2015 5:41 PM
Comment #398449

Sorry, j2t2 and Warren Porter. The snow being driven here has been thru a dirt storm.
Stick your head back in the sand.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 6:08 PM
Comment #398450

Where’s the hate, j2t2? You’re the one responding emotionally. If there’s any hate it’s yours, hate for the truth. ..CAUSE YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

That’s my Jack Nicholson imitation.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 6:13 PM
Comment #398452
subject to the approval of the employing agency, deposit the gift with that agency for official use.

Who says Obama did not do this?

Regardless, you haven’t even established the allegation that a prize awarded by a private Swedish organization somehow comes from the Norwegian government.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2015 6:45 PM
Comment #398453

Show me where he did. I can’t prove a negative.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 7:10 PM
Comment #398454

We assume people are innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Posted by: Warren Porter at September 13, 2015 7:18 PM
Comment #398455

Show me where Obama turned in his 1 million prize to the treasury. It should be easy to do.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 7:26 PM
Comment #398456


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize
Per Alfred Nobel’s will, the recipient is selected by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, a 5-member committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway.


Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 8:30 PM
Comment #398457

The five members of the Nobel Committee are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament to roughly reflect the party makeup of that body. The 2009 Committee comprised two members of the Norwegian Labor Party, one from the left-wing Socialist Left Party, one from the Conservative Party of Norway and one from the right-wing Progress Party. The chairman of the Committee was Thorbjørn Jagland, former Norwegian Labor Party prime minister and Secretary General of the Council of Europe since September 29, 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 8:40 PM
Comment #398458

The decision appeared to catch most observers by surprise. Nominations for the prize had to be postmarked by February 1, only 12 days after Obama took office. The committee sent out its solicitation for nominations last September, two months before Obama was elected president.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/09/nobel.peace.prize/index.html

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 8:45 PM
Comment #398459

Weary, please man stop with the conservative media faux scandal drivel. Obama did right by the people of this country and you cannot produce anything but conservative drivel to the contrary, myth and misinformation, false accusations and whatever you can to tarnish the honor of this award to a sitting president.

You should be ashamed you have let yourself and your country down with this feeble attempt to slander a peaceful man whose presence in the oval office was enough to win an award of this magnitude.

Do you think for one second that Issa and his witch hunters would have passed up a chance to get Obama had this myth you are perpetrating have the least little bit of truth to it?

Posted by: j2t2 at September 13, 2015 10:26 PM
Comment #398460

According to the Congressional Research service:

“In the past, Presidents, as well as Vice Presidents and other federal officials, have been allowed to
accept an award such as the Nobel Prize for a variety of reasons.29 With respect specifically to the
prohibition on acceptance of things of value and gifts from foreign governments, the Nobel Prize
is funded and managed by a private foundation and a private foundation board, and is thus not
considered to be a gift given by a foreign government nor an instrumentality of a foreign state.30”

“29 Examples of Nobel Peace Prize recipients include Presidents Theodore Roosevelt in 1906, Woodrow Wilson in 1919, Vice President Charles G. Dawes in 1925, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in 1973, and President Barack Obama in 2009.”

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42662.pdf

Posted by: Rich at September 13, 2015 10:26 PM
Comment #398462
The President remains subject to the bribery and illegal gratuities law which prohibits the receipt of a gift or of anything of value when that receipt, or the agreement to receive such thing of value, is connected in some way to the performance (or nonperformance) of an official act.


As I said all along. This was a bribe.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 13, 2015 11:06 PM
Comment #398487
As I said all along. This was a bribe.

Weary, really! A bribe from the Nobel foundation for what purpose, what did they receive in return? Did Obama allow them free access to US funds to give out as award monies? Did Obama not attack Norway as a payoff for this award he received?

This truly is a low point for you Weary, I thought you had stooped as low as a conservative could stoop but you have amazed me with this conspiracy.

Posted by: j2t2 at September 14, 2015 1:52 PM
Comment #398507

What better way to create a New World Order, a World Government, UN supremacy, than to bribe someone to make it happen?

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

Here’s a million bucks, Mr. President. Please apologize to all the muslims so they don’t cut our heads off and not rape our children! Give them the bomb so they can feel important. Let them all know the U.S. isn’t as exceptional as they think.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 4:12 PM
Comment #398509

Only liberals with blinders on could think Obama did everything mentioned in the Nobelprize.org article in 12 days.

But then again, the real God created his world in 6, so I guess I can see where they’re coming from.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 4:15 PM
Comment #398512

Bernie Sanders appeared today at Liberty University. He said “I came here today because I believe from the bottom of my heart that it’s vitally important for people who hold different views to be able to engage in a civil discourse”.

You may think what you will about Bernie Sanders but his dialogue is refreshing. There was a time that I came to this blog for just what he spoke about at Liberty. There were trolls back then just as there are trolls here now but I still come here to look at what some people like to call civil discourse. I can just as easily ignore the trolls now as I did way back when I first came here.

Posted by: Speak4all at September 14, 2015 4:37 PM
Comment #398515

Thanks for the civil discourse, troll.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 4:42 PM
Comment #398516

Civil discourse doesn’t include calling people names. I can talk because I don’t think Demcratics deserve civil discourse. Your comment proves that. You can’t help insulting people when you disagree with them.

Had you stopped at your first paragraph I wouldn’t be replying to your insults. But, I understand you can’t help yourself.

If you want to start over, I’m willing to listen to your views on Bernard Sanders, because I really haven’t paid any attention to him. I don’t think he has a chance of getting the nomination.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 4:45 PM
Comment #398532

“You may think what you will about Bernie Sanders but his dialogue is refreshing.” Speak

Yes it is. And, many of us believe the same of Trump.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 14, 2015 7:01 PM
Comment #398533

Wouldn’t it be interesting to watch a race between the poster-boy for Socialism and the poster-boy for capitalism?

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 14, 2015 7:03 PM
Comment #398548

People watch it every day on the internet.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 10:36 PM
Comment #398549

I watch it on FaceBook. It’s a bunch of posts by people who just talk to themselves and a bunch of posts from people who just want to sell you something.

I actually clicked on a link that would tell me what a woman wants.

OK!

Click.

She wants flowers!

And just by chance, she sells flowers!

My fair lady!

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 10:52 PM
Comment #398551

It seems like… The only way to trap these fruit flies is to breathe them up my nose.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 14, 2015 11:51 PM
Comment #398555

Let’s talk more about Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 15, 2015 1:19 AM
Comment #398560

RF, glad you can find Bernie Sander’s dialogue refreshing also. I can’t exactly say I feel the same about Trump although I can understand why some conservatives do. He is speaking to them with a language that they can understand and have been waiting for. I am not attempting to denigrate him or his supporters but he seems sometimes to me to be a parody of some of the more “serious” candidates. I think his entertainer background plays into this very well right now. He is making his points and has all of the rest of the field on their heels and wondering how they can assault his advantage. They can’t, they don’t have the showmanship that he has. Their criticisms of him seem to be pretty much the same as some of the Democratic candidates, the Republican base sees through that. But as I said it is early and there will probably come a time when the showmanship wears thin, but you never know.

I still think Bernie Sanders is good for this country and good for the 2016 campaign but I don’t see him gaining the nomination. I don’t see any of the Republican contenders admonishing his stances as much as they admonish Trump’s. Strange brew we are drinking during this early part of the campaign, wouldn’t you say?

Posted by: Speak4all at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM
Comment #398574

Bernard Sanders came out with his economic plan today. He wants to repeal and replace Obamacare. Where have I heard that before?

He want’s to replace it with a single payer program that will cost 180 billion a year. He said he’s going to fund it with 60 billion in new payroll taxes. At least he’s sticking to the Democratic’s arithmetic.

What do you say about the Sanders one-payer proposal to replace the ACA, Speak4all?

Posted by: Weary Willie at September 15, 2015 12:25 PM
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