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We have a NASCAR metaphor now circulating to help us when thinking of Marco Rubio and his former mentor, Jeb Bush. The only way Rubio will be able to re-establish himself in the top 5 or 3 GOP contenders - so the story goes - is if Jeb’s car hits a wall and Rubio can shift from drafting off of Jeb to scrapping for a place among the leaders. Maybe with a little aggressive banking he can move back into third, having used a lot of Jeb’s drafts. It’s really nice the way fundraising language and NASCAR terms flow aerodynamically from one to the other. Because fundamentally, Rubio has a lot of virtues. He just lacks Jeb’s wealth of experience. Or perhaps Jeb’s wealth, and experience. And one suspects, that Rubio should even take a few Spanish lessons from the governor, who can be quite the firebrand “en español.”

The problem is with the length of the GOP campaign - even given the fact it will likely be over some time in March - maybe NASCAR is way too fast a sport, and thus inappropriate. What we perhaps have is Major League team with 16 pitchers and one crowded bullpen. And only 3 starters in rotation, who keep getting changed from inning to inning. And the other team can't even fill it's bullpen while it's starting pitcher is a crusty veteran, to be polite. So Fox Major League GOP Baseball has split one of the teams in twain: sending a talented but sad, 7-deep bullpen to the minors where the not-quite-ready-for-primetime players can throw some curves and see how their sliders and slurves are doing. You do know how a slurve looks don't you? And then back in the big-leagues, there's the big, boisterous, babe-magnet, (at least he still likes to think of himself as one), up on the mound who listens to no one but himself, shakes off any suggestion from the confused catcher, and keeps everyone guessing as to what he's going to throw every time he winds up. And the crowd loves him. And the league hates him.

There's a little poem to be written here, but the ever-so-hoped-for tragedy is not 3 strikes, but rather someone, anyone, hitting it out of the park and sending the big,boisterous, babe-magnet-in-his-own-mind back to the bench. There's plenty of frustration simmering among Republican voters, and Republican operatives, and among the candidates themselves. Better to enjoy the game because the candidate who can actually enjoy himself - or herself down in the minors - may just be the one left standing after all the innings are done.

Posted by AllardK at August 6, 2015 2:04 PM
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Wow. Just wow. Watching some of the JV team debate this afternoon. The auditorium is absolutely deserted. I’ve never seen anything like it. If you look behind the moderators, you can see it. Sheesh. You’d think at least some family and a few friends might show up, but… no. Guess this is what it looks like when a candidate is at 2% in the polls.

Posted by: phx8 at August 6, 2015 6:03 PM
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The writer above reminds me of the kid who goes to the movies for the popcorn.

Watching a few clips of the debate, I believe the candidates did well. Perhaps one or two may move up in the polls.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 6, 2015 7:36 PM
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Actually, I like popcorn at the movies.

RF, there is a good reason why those candidates are at one or two percent in the polls. They did not attract an audience. The auditorium was nearly empty. When on the stage, they recited the same conservatives boilerplate. It was memorized. None of them had the smarts to take advantage of their moment on the stage. They did exactly what they have been doing on the campaign trail, and it failed then, and it failed tonight. And that is why those candidates are at one or two percent. They deserve it.

Perry has enough money to stay around if he wants to continue, as long as that criminal indictment doesn’t land him in the middle of a trial next year. Which it will.

FOX is pushing Fiorina tonight, but she’s terrible. Her claim to fame was being the CEO of HP, but while there, she made an ill-advised decision to merge with Compaq. The stock LOST 50% and she had to lay off 30,000 employees. On the day she announced her resignation, the stock jumped UP 7% in just one day! She then ran for the Senate. And lost. And that’s it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 6, 2015 7:42 PM
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Ah, yes, spread around the dirt and ignore the accomplishment.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 6, 2015 7:55 PM
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Dirt? Are you kidding? Everytime Fiorina appears on FOX there’s a crawler under her name about being a former CEO for HP, and how she is technically savvy. But I just stated what ACTUALLY happened. She was a complete, unmitigated disaster. It’s a fact.

By the way, she was totally classless when she called HRC a liar and few other derogatory things. That is un-presidential. That is the kind of thing that propelled Trump to center stage and a double digit lead. That is pretty typical of conservatism today, even at the highest levels of leadership. Good luck with that.

And you already know Perry is under indictment. He might beat the rap. He might not. It will sure make the presidential campaign fun if he’s in a debate answering questions about how it’s going with his trial!

Posted by: phx8 at August 6, 2015 8:02 PM
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Classless? Are you kidding? Hillary has been caught in numerous lies. It’s a fact.

Posted by: kctim at August 7, 2015 11:30 AM
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“And you already know Perry is under indictment.”

Sure…remember Tom DeLay?

HRC is under “criminal” investigation by the FBI. That should provide some interesting questions by the press.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 7, 2015 12:50 PM
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My understanding is that there was no audience for the first debate. Only the second. Fiorina shut Chris Matthews up on MSNBC after the debates. Watch the video. Hillary is in big trouble.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2015 4:39 PM
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Blaine, the way I saw it was Chris Matthews asked her if she called Hillary a liar and she adamantly refused to say that she did but merely said Hillary lies (WTF does that mean?). Sounds like pretty weak tea for some one who is being touted as the winner of the “happy hour” debate team. Hillary would destroy Carly, but don’t worry Carly will never make it that far.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 7, 2015 4:43 PM
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Speaks, evidently you didn’t watch the video; here is what was said:

Matthews: “Do you really think that’s a way to engage in a debate? To call your opponent a liar? I’m astounded by that judgment.

Florina: First of all I was very specific about the subjects about which I think she has lied. I didn’t say she lied about everything. I was very specific. Very fact based, actually. You are the one who has made a generalized comment now about her. Not me. Secondly, I will debate her. Excuse me. Secondly, secondly, I will debate her —

Matthews: Go through your list. Go through your list of where she’s lied.

Fiorina: Benghazi, email and server. I will debate her on the issues facing this nation. I will debate her on her positions. I will ask her, for example, how she can possibly continue to defend Planned Parenthood. I will ask her why she continues to say she is a champion of the middle class, while every single proposal she has put forward makes crony capitalism worse and worse and worse which makes income inequality worse. I would ask her why she declared victory in Iraq in 2011. Why she called Bashar al-Assad a positive reformer. Why she thought she could stop Vladimir Putin, a man I have met, with a gimmicky button. I will ask why she got every policy wrong as secretary of state. that’s how I’ll debate her. On the issues.

Matthews was completely shut down. His final comments were, “now we know why you came in first”.

How did you come up with “she adamantly refuse to say” that she called Hillary a liar? Carly is Hillary’s biggest threat.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2015 5:33 PM
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Blaine, I watched it live. No need to watch the video. Matthews and Scarborough went on after she was off air about the foible. Matthews kept insisting that she couldn’t call her a liar and Scarborough agreed by saying no she didn’t call her a liar but all she said was she lied. Matthews then asked well if you say some one lies that means you are calling them a liar, would you say she lied. Scarborough replied with no I wouldn’t but she said she lied and didn’t call her a liar. Matthews looked at him rather confused and Scarborough gave out a sheepish giggle. Carly kept insisting that she did not call Hillary a liar and that all she said was that she lies. It was conservative double speak at it’s finest. You should have watched it live. You probably saw an edited version from FOX, Daily Caller or some other venue that removed those parts maybe? I watched it live and can attest to the lunacy that was displayed.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 7, 2015 5:41 PM
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Carly is a threat to no one. She is the token female that Fox and the RNC are looking to get into the varsity debate team.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 7, 2015 5:42 PM
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The other great part live was when Matthews asked her for the specific lies that were told about Benghazi. Carly just said because she said the attack was due to a video. That the attack was due to a video was the official statement that was supposed to be used and was put out by NSA. They did this for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was the security of their intelligence sources. It was not put out there for Hillary’s benefit. Conservatives have been fomenting about this ever since then to no avail. Hillary will again appear before the committee this October and will I am sure remain adamant in her position.

Posted by: Speak4all at August 7, 2015 5:50 PM
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You used Scarborough’s name 4 times; is that supposed to mean something. Maybe to you, but not to me. “Liar”, “lied”…word semantics.

If Carly is the token female; then Hillary has presented herself as the token female from the left.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2015 6:02 PM
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You are absolutely correct about the alleged Hillary “lie” on Benghazi. The assistant director of the CIA, responsible for the initial CIA assessment, has said many times in Congressional testimony and in media interviews that the talking points were from the CIA not the Whitehouse or State. Indeed, the House Intelligence Committee controlled by Republicans confirmed that the responsible party for the initial talking points referencing the video was the CIA. Ironically, it appears from one of the persons captured and arrested for the attack and other intelligence that the original talking points may have been accurate about the role of the video motivating the attack than subsequently thought.

Facts, unfortunately, don’t matter to many conservatives caught up in the slanderous fantasy that Obama and Hillary let Americans die by refusing to provide support to the consulate after the initial attack.

Posted by: Rich at August 7, 2015 6:10 PM
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Rich; this is considered liberal talking points unless you have proof.

Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2015 6:32 PM
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It is not liberal talking points. It is the conclusion of the Republican controlled House Intelligence Committee which investigated the matter thoroughly.

Posted by: Rich at August 7, 2015 7:10 PM
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Posted by: Blaine at August 7, 2015 7:52 PM
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“And you already know Perry is under indictment.”

Actually the felony charges have been dismissed.

Posted by: dbs at August 7, 2015 8:52 PM
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Rich, the comment speaks made was that the video lie was promoted by the administration for the purpose of protecting intelligence. Your first link is nothing more than a NYT’s editorial admitting Rice may have lied. The second link doesn’t even mention the video. In either case, both documents were from over a year ago, and the investigation is not over yet. Not over means no conclusions. It is a forgone fact that the video was a made up lie. It is only in the realm of the most liberal world that the video is still in the equation.

Posted by: Blaine at August 8, 2015 9:36 AM
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