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You want to ban this flag?

They lost, sure, ban it.

Then you must accept the consequences.

He lost.
NO MORE MONUMENTS FOR YOU!
He went to war against the U.S. Government. He killed many Americans. He resisted Government tyranny. He lost! His monument must GO!


Mexico went to war with this country! They lost! We Won! It's flag must never fly in this country, either! BAN IT! BOYCOTT products from Mexico!

Japan brutally attacked the U.S. They starved many soldiers protecting our homeland. It's fanatical, suicidal tactics terrorized this country for 5 long years! BAN all products that have "MADE IN JAPAN" on them. The same goes for Germany! Sever all ties with North Korea and VietNam as well!

For all the reasons to ban the confederate flag, they are also reasons to ban the rest! For all the reasons to destroy the industry surrounding the confederate flag, they are reasons to destroy the industry of all the others who've gone to war against this country.

So, you're faced with a dilemma. You can continue this faux outrage directed at the confederate flag and include other flags and products of those who have done the same. (It's only fair, right?) Or, you can again demonstrate the hypocrisy that is the standard operating procedure of the left by singling out your target-of-the-week to vent your childish rants against.

You're going to run out of "offenses" to base your tantrums on. Sooner, rather than later, you're all going to look the collective fool.

Posted by Weary_Willie at July 21, 2015 11:41 PM
Comments
Comment #396721

Better be careful, WW, you might offend somebody.

Yup, there are 1000’s of street names and statues. All the history books will have to be revised and so on - - -

Meanwhile, this country is becoming more like some foreign countries we like to demean for their culture, crime and so on - -

Drugs, heinous murders, laws not being enforced, rampant fraud, half on food stamps, half don’t pay taxes, open borders and so on - - -

More folks locked up than any nation and while the gov’t wants to open the jails crime stats are going up exponentially. Won’t test rape kits as that would send more to jail.

Posted by: roy ellis at July 22, 2015 3:07 PM
Comment #396724


Why would I want to ban it Willie?

I think anyone who believes that flag symbolizes anything more than tyranny through subjugation should be ridiculed for the fools they are.

No, seriously, laughed out of the room.

Those that are pushing this nonsense act like the southern plantations during the Civil war were bed and breakfasts, entertaining genteel African tourists, fresh off luxury cruise ships.

And they claim “States rights”.

Well sure, without slavery there would have been virtually no Southern economy. It’s kind of hard to support a business, or a State, if you actually have to pay the help.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 22, 2015 9:50 PM
Comment #396725

Losers support the “confederate” flag Weary. Winners support the realrevolutionary flag Weary.

All this gibberish you post is nonsense. The fact is the people you support have, less than a week later shown what they really are Nazi’s.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 23, 2015 12:38 AM
Comment #396727

Oh my, where to start on the critique of this nonsensical post. Well let’s start at the beginning:

First: It begins with a lie. No one banned the flag you depict at the start of this post. It was decided to be removed from the capitol state grounds of SC. Then it was decided to not be used on Federal property, national parks and other state offices (the people’s property). Then corporations recognized the offensiveness of displaying and selling the flag, the free market concept made the decision that it was unwise to use the flag for marketing purposes. No one banned the flag, the flag was recognized for what it is, divisive and insulting to some people.

Second: Then moves on to false equivalency. Crazy Horse was looked upon as a leader to some of the Indian tribes. He waged a war against the US because the tribes felt that they were being invaded, although there was no recognition of a sovereign nation status. The monument to him is in recognition of something that happened that none of us truly understand today. Then we move on to Mexico, which is a recognized sovereign nation. Sure there was a war but as with wars their is a recognition of the outcome of the conflict and then hopefully peace presides. The same holds true for Japan and WWII. The secessionists of the Southern states were defeated and the leaders of that cause called for the flag to be furled and stored in remembrance,not displayed in some effort to give credence to the battle cry “the south’s gonna rise agin”, they understood that it would not be conducive to restoring the whole nation. The Mexican and Japanese flags are not found on state houses, government properties or national parks. Just as with the Norther Virginia Militia’s flag, you can fly the Mexican flag or Japanese flag where ever you wish to, but it will not be a part of the people’s property.

Third: The decision by the Republican Governor of SC to remove the flag from state grounds (the people’s grounds) seems to be interpreted as a procedure by the left in this post. I would think that this would come as some surprise to Niki Haley and the Republican SC legislature.

I haven’t witnessed such a misinformed, misguided post in some time on this blog. In fact I am uncertain there has ever been one quite so wrong on so many points.

Fly the flag where you wish to but know that the reception you receive in doing so may not be the outcome you desire. Ridicule.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2015 9:49 AM
Comment #396728

“you’re all going to look the collective fool.”

Going to, Weary? LOL. Two of the first three responses were foolish nonsense from the ‘collective’ side of things. Tourists, cruise ships, and the always expected ‘Nazi’s.’ (And yes, somehow the Nazi’s are now the one’s NOT trying to ban symbols, LOL)

You make a good point, but hypocrites could never acknowledge it. Indians slaughtered, raped and enslaved, but it is demanded that we feel guilty and to respect and honor their monuments and symbols. Mexicans did the same thing, but it is demanded that we respect their culture and flying their flag on public property. Muslims murdered and enslaved whites, but we are told that’s all in the past. Black Africans enslaved blacks and sold them, but it is demanded that we respect and embrace African culture.
And who are the ones demanding all of this? Those who follow Marx and Lenin. Those who wear the Che shirts. Those who wear and proudly fly the black-red-green colors brought to us by the likes of Garvey.

So why all the hate and hypocrisy? Because this isn’t about a flag, Weary. This is about punishing those who do not vote how you want them to. This is about destroying individualism and forcing collectivism onto all. This is about transforming America.

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2015 10:21 AM
Comment #396729

kct and WW are victims. We know, we know. You have no ability to control your own lives and that is our fault. Sure, sure whatever. kct I am beginning to get the idea you are stalking me on this blog. I make no comment in several days and the first time I do, you pounce. You are becoming scary and delusional. Forgive me if I am unable to discuss much on this blog for awhile. You and WW make me feel uncomfortable about your mental instability and the fact that you could try to use my words to provoke your instability into some form of unscrupulous actions.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 23, 2015 10:29 AM
Comment #396730

kctim,

Assigning moral equivalence to many different tragedies in history is wrong. Each of those events occurred in its own individual context. Slavery as it was practiced in the antebellum South earns extra ire because it was not only a case of violence, but that it effectively wiped out entire cultures and traditions. It was genocide. Atrocities committed by Arabs, Africans, Indigenous Americans do not even come close to that level.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 23, 2015 11:23 AM
Comment #396731

Speaks

The first three posts were from Roy, Rocky, J2. In that order.
That means that the “two of the first three posts” I referred to came from those, not the fourth post.

The problems you face do not lie in the “mental instability” of others.

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2015 11:24 AM
Comment #396732

*Arabs, Africans, Indigenous Americans and Mexicans*

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 23, 2015 11:24 AM
Comment #396733

Seriously Warren? Even though they committed the exact same atrocities, it can be demanded that we respect and honor them because it wasn’t quite as bad, or because they failed? BS.

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2015 12:32 PM
Comment #396734
Even though they committed the exact same atrocities

Last time I checked, Crazy Horse didn’t export millions of people across an ocean against their will.

it can be demanded that we respect and honor
Nowhere have I seen a demand for respect or honor. I do not see any Japanese flags flying on state capitols or on public land.

People will always be free to display the hateful symbols of their choice on their private property. Whether they be swastikas, the stars and bars or whatever else, it doesn’t matter. The recent controversy was about displaying these things on PUBLIC land, which is a very different matter.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 23, 2015 12:41 PM
Comment #396735

kctim, perhaps you expected the Nazi’s but I didn’t. So imagine my surprise when just a week after the confederate flag came down, amid all the blathering about “heritage” we see this in SC.


http://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2015/07/19/ku-klux-klan-protests-removal-of-confederate-flag-in-south-carolina

Posted by: j2t2 at July 23, 2015 1:16 PM
Comment #396738

j2, It’s just a bunch of “Old School” liberal Democrats Practicing their constitutional rights.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2015 2:07 PM
Comment #396739

You’re right, Warren. All the indians did was enslave, rape and murder innocent men, women and children.

“The recent controversy was about displaying these things on PUBLIC land, which is a very different matter.”

It would be IF that were the case, but that is the OLD controversy. It HAS been removed. The recent controversy is over personal displays.
When this happened, every decent American was happy that piece of crap was caught. It didn’t matter if they flew the stars and stripes, stars and bars, were part of ows or part of the TP, they all would have been happy to watch him get sentenced to death.
Then came the guilt by association BS. After being preached to about everybody with a Koran is not a terrorist, we are now told everybody with that flag is a racist.
Then they removed the flag from a monument. I thought it was kind of stupid to alter a monument, but hey, it’s their state.
Now, intentionally inciteful words like racist and hateful symbol, has led to people being threatened and PERSONAL property being destroyed.

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2015 3:18 PM
Comment #396741

J2

Myself and everybody else expected the Nazi comparison from the left. But you already knew that.

As far as your link: Since when does one or a handful of people represent the whole?
You guys love to preach that all terrorists don’t represent all muslims, but then you turn around and shout how the actions of a religious nut represents all Christians. That murdering illegal aliens don’t represent all illegal aliens, but then claim all who support legal immigration are racists. That rioting, looting, murdering blacks don’t represent all black folks, but yet claim one bad cop means all cops are racists. That one pi$$-ant white boy with a flag means everybody with that flag is racist.

Which is it J2? Does the actions of one represent the whole, or not?

Posted by: kctim at July 23, 2015 3:32 PM
Comment #396743
All the indians did was enslave, rape and murder innocent men, women and children.

Did the Lakota Sioux sail to Europe and harm people in their own homeland? No they didn’t. Stop equivocating. Nothing the Lakota Sioux did can be compared with the brutality of chattel slavery as practiced in the antebellum south.

The recent controversy is over personal displays.

If private companies feel it is in their best interests to disassociate themselves from this particular symbol of hate it is neither my business nor anyone else’s. There are no serious attempts to use the government’s cudgel to ban the display of these hateful symbols on private property.

After being preached to about everybody with a Koran is not a terrorist, we are now told everybody with that flag is a racist.
The flag is a symbol of a war fought over slavery and little else. The Koran is a book of at least 100,000 words with a diverse tapestry of stories with different interpretations and meanings. I think it is clear which of the two is more deserving of nuance.
I thought it was kind of stupid to alter a monument
I think it is stupid to have a monument there in the first place.
every decent American was happy that piece of crap was caught.
Being happy to see a murderer face justice isn’t justification for displaying a symbol of hate. The only people who display that flag are either ignorant of its symbolism or are advocating the same hate as those who fought under its banner 150 years ago.

And I maintain: Although flying that flag is morally reprehensible, it is not government’s job to police our morality. Likewise, vigilantes should not be enforcing any limits on free expression either, even when such expressions are abhorrent.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 23, 2015 3:55 PM
Comment #396745

Sure KAP, old school all right, which is why when we hear heritage we know what you guys mean.

Myself and everybody else expected the Nazi comparison from the left. But you already knew that.

SO if I understand this correctly kctim, you guys , you and the everybody else you speak of, knew about the connections between ardent supporters of the “Confederate” flag and the NeoNazis being one and the same? Yet still ran the “heritage” line on the rest of us?

Since when does one or a handful of people represent the whole?

I would suspect that many “confederate” flag supporters are new to the show, kctim, and I would also suspect that many of them might have fallen for the different “heritage” memes out there floating around. That is why it is important to get to the truth.

That one pi$$-ant white boy with a flag means everybody with that flag is racist.

One! It is a group of people kctim, just because one is holding the nazi flag doesn’t mean it was an independent decision by the pi$$ ant. BTW where did I mention racist?

Are you trying to defend the KKK as not being racist with these projection fallacies? Or are you suggesting that it is only a few, the KKK who view the symbol as racist and the other 100 million people in an uproar about the “confederate” flag are just civil war buffs! Really?


Posted by: j2t2 at July 23, 2015 4:31 PM
Comment #396746

Yep Old School democrats j2,That’s YOUR heritage from the old Democrat South.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2015 4:41 PM
Comment #396748

Please KAP explain to me why this argument makes any sense to anybody. I have heard this one from others and I thought they were joking but they seemed determined to prove that…well….um dems did it to or something I guess.

As we all know “old school dems” left in the 60’s after dems lead the civil rights push of the day and later became Reagan’s revolutionaries for the most part. They left the dems for conservatism and the repub party. Again this was back in the 60’s so why is this a conservative talking point today?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 23, 2015 7:47 PM
Comment #396752

Your the one who brought up Nazis and the Klan j2. Why is it a liberal talking point today. Dems did it to, NO j2 YOU brought it up, now you explain with links that those clowns in your link in comment 396735 are Republicans and NOT Southern Democrats trying to cause trouble.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2015 9:09 PM
Comment #396754

KAP, southern democrats! I didn’t know any still existed. Are you seriously pulling dinosaurs from the boneyard as some kind of …..oh… KAP your reality has been shaken, you are in denial… you can’t accept the reality…. but deep down you know the truth. How sad.

But I get it now. This has to be a Glenn Beck thing, am I right? You guys are trying to sell the KKK and such as southern dems because they were, 50 years ago. But they did switch parties my friend. Listen to their rhetoric and realize you are only separated by a matter of degrees from them. They will claim to be true conservatives just as you do. But hey, keep trying with this absurd line, it shows some serious desperation as you guys try to wiggle out of the truth. Ask yourself how many of these KKK…er…ummm…”southern dems” voted for Barrack Obama! I’m rolling on the floor, KAP, laughing at this one.

I brought up Nazis because those KKK guys protesting the removal of the flag from the SC capitol are flying both the “confederate” flag and the Nazi flag. These are just facts KAP. Facts relevant to the issue at hand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/upshot/demise-of-the-southern-democrat-is-now-nearly-compete.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1


Posted by: j2t2 at July 23, 2015 10:23 PM
Comment #396755

So j2 you still haven’t proven those holding the flags in your link are not actually Democrats no matter if they be southern or just plain old Liberal Democrats like you. Let me ask you this j2 when have you ever been shot at by the Confederate flag or Nazi flag? When have you ever been shot at by a symbol or memorial commemorating a Nazi or Confederate? I’ll bet you haven’t and neither have I, but I’ll bet a lot of people have been shot at by people with hate in their hearts. The point is J2 flags, symbols, memorials do not kill, guns don’t even kill unless they have a hate filled person pulling the trigger. That j2 is what kills a hate filled person. So you can roll around and laugh all you want.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at July 23, 2015 11:18 PM
Comment #396756

KAP, and your inability to deal with reality is still hanging out there. This bogus assertion of yours is even more laughable now that you have extended its scope to include plain old liberal dems(which BTW I am not). Once again ask yourself how many of the protesters in the photo I linked to voted for Obama for president. While you are at it have you stopped to think why you are defending these “southern dems” or “just plain old liberal dems” (like Obama) when you would usually choose to argue against them. Do you share the same position or close to the same opinion as they do or do you think they are closer to my point of view?

So from the foolish to the absurdly foolish we are now wondering who has been shot at by a flag!! All because flags don’t kill people people kill people! SO KAP what you are suggesting is the criteria we must use is “what will kill you” when we right a wrong. Would you ask the same of conservatives, because I have noticed you guys seem to lower the bar for conservatives like Tehran Tom.

If these symbols are so benign KAP why did the conservatives in the SC legislature demand it be flown on state property to begin with? Why defend it with such fierceness if it is “just a symbol”. Why the protesting and the name calling and such from conservatives if symbols have no power to influence us.

Lets look at this issue from a slightly different perspective KAP. The American flag was recently abused by small group of people who thought themselves clever by crapping on it.But seeings as it was just a symbol and symbols don’t kill you were not in the least bit upset at those who offended the American flag? I know many of your conservative friends were, to the point of attacking some of these people. I would suggest symbols are more powerful than you give them credit for.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 24, 2015 1:55 AM
Comment #396757

J2

No, myself and everybody else knew the left would eventually claim everybody who has the flag supports Nazi’s.

The flag wasn’t an issue until you guys were told to make it one. It flew on monuments and at events, with no cases of racism to be found. The man with it in his window stopped to help the black lady fix her flat, and the lady with it on her purse welcomed the black man into her diner and treated him with respect.
THOSE are the people you are trying to destroy, not because they are actually racist, but because of the way they vote.


Since when does one or a handful of people represent the whole?
I would suspect that many “confederate” flag supporters are new to the show, kctim, and I would also suspect that many of them might have fallen for the different “heritage” memes out there floating around. That is why it is important to get to the truth.

“One! It is a group of people kctim,”

The one I was referring to was Roof, and the handful was the group in your link. My bad for not being clear.

“Are you trying to defend the KKK as not being racist with these projection fallacies?”

Please don’t insult me or my intelligence, J2. The KKK was a racist organization that did terrible harm to this country, and the fact that they are now nothing, does not take away from that.

“Or are you suggesting that it is only a few, the KKK who view the symbol as racist and the other 100 million people in an uproar about the “confederate” flag are just civil war buffs! Really?”

J2, there are 198 million white people in the US. The SPLC is a far-left organization with an overt agenda of labeling everybody on the right as extremists. The SPLC says there are 5000-8000 people in small independent groups who make up the KKK today.
To suggest a few thousand idiots represent tens of million of people, is ridiculous.

Southern pride is about family, hard work, personal responsibility, individualism. All things the left is against, and THAT is what this is all about.

Posted by: kctim at July 24, 2015 10:02 AM
Comment #396758

Warren

The indians didn’t have to sail anywhere, all they had to do was ride a little ways to the next tribe or the nearest settlement. Was it on the same scale? No. Did it happen? Yes. Was what they did just as brutal? Yes.
So stop pretending it didn’t happen.

“There are no serious attempts to use the government’s cudgel to ban the display of these hateful symbols on private property.”

No, not yet. So far there is only a mass media blitz to label the flag as a hateful symbol, and everybody who owns one as a racist.

“The flag is a symbol of a war fought over slavery and little else.”

The flag was a symbol used in the war between the north and the SOUTH. Most people are usually proud of where they are from. For Pete’s sake man, there are Mexican flags everywhere in the US, do you assume they all still support slavery and sacrifice?

“The Koran is a book of at least 100,000 words with a diverse tapestry of stories with different interpretations and meanings.”

It is also a book that has, is, and always will be, used to justify the slavery, torture and murder of innocent people.

“I think it is clear which of the two is more deserving of nuance.”

Especially when that difference is shaped by one’s politics.

“vigilantes should not be enforcing any limits on free expression either, even when such expressions are abhorrent.”

Well they are, thanks to purposely inciteful words like “symbol of hate.”

Posted by: kctim at July 24, 2015 10:25 AM
Comment #396759
Please don’t insult me or my intelligence, J2. The KKK was a racist organization that did terrible harm to this country, and the fact that they are now nothing, does not take away from that.

Kctim, I’m not trying to insult you but even now you say “was” as if the KKK no longer existed. Yet from what I read the far right extremist numbers are growing and the KKK is part of that. The number of KKK members has risen the past decade and the number of other racist groups members has risen as well. In fact many were training in the military and have joined law enforcement according to studies on the subject. So if you are gonna frame the discussion as if the KKK is a thing of the past I can only assume your intelligence has been clouded by ideology or partisanship.


The man with it in his window….

Are you suggesting these two people represent the tens of thousands but Roof doesn’t! Based upon what?


To suggest a few thousand idiots represent tens of million of people, is ridiculous.

But that isn’t what I said kctim. Look the KKK and other overtly racist groups have used the “confederate” flag for man years. The civil war was all about slavery despite the latest round of conservative revisionism being spewed today. Weary;s trying to tie all these other flags/groups/countries/peoples into the same acts and such as the confederate states is a cover up to the real issue.

Now 10 of millions of people aren’t as extreme or overt in their racism as the KKK but many are covert in theirs. So it would seem we are talking about a matter of degrees. I mean complaining, like many conservatives do, about blacks being lazy and welfare queens etc is an example of this.

Southern pride is about family, hard work, personal responsibility, individualism. All things the left is against, and THAT is what this is all about.

SO what dos this “pride” have to do with a flag that represents bigotry and slavery? Are you in denial about what the flag represents ?

You know kctim, they lefties I know are also about family hard work, personal responsibility, individualism and justice for all (I call it American pride)yet we don’t need a flag that represents the worst of our country to express it or to live it. I don’t think southern pride is any different from American pride but I may be mistaken, what is the difference?

Posted by: j2t2 at July 24, 2015 11:35 AM
Comment #396760
Was what they did just as brutal? Yes.
Enslaving the occasional prisoner of war is not the same thing as an structuring an entire economy around the subjugation of one race of people in the justification of chattel slavery.
a mass media blitz to label the flag as a hateful symbol, and everybody who owns one as a racist.
Because the flag IS a hateful symbol praised only by the ignorant and the racist. We have vilified the swastika for over 80 years much more harshly, but no governmental action has ever been taken to ban it from private places.
there are Mexican flags everywhere in the US, do you assume they all still support slavery and sacrifice?
The Mexican flag was never used as a banner by an army fighting to protect slavery and sacrifice against enlightened values.
Most people are usually proud of where they are from.
Germans manage to express their pride without displaying swastikas, I think Southerners are capable of finding an alternative means to do the same. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 24, 2015 11:46 AM
Comment #396761
As we all know “old school dems” left in the 60’s after dems lead the civil rights push of the day and later became Reagan’s revolutionaries for the most part.

j2 for years I’ve heard progressives try to make fiction out of history by skipping through the years. You want to connect Regan Democrats to the civil rights movement so you can purge your progressive party of its racism past but they left for the Republican Party in the late 80s based on economics and not civil rights. They had much better control of the black/white divide when they were in the Democratic Party because they prevented blacks from winning Party nominations so why would they leave? Wallace ran for President as a Democrat in 1972/76 and was a Democrat when he was governor in the 80s. That’s the man on the steps denying blacks entry into state schools.

The issues in the 80s were economics, the changing demographics of the Southern States, and the rejection of the liberal social and political ideals. That’s even overly simplistic but it’s a more complete connection than racism. Democrats who stayed Democrats understood this and supported ideas like the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). This was the strategy behind Clinton/Gore, a ticket of New Democrats who felt your pain but were fiscally conservative. Or they migrated over to the GOP who was more than willing to court them for their Electoral College votes. Many were racists and many were not but the late 80s is a long time from Nixon’s Southern Strategy.

Try Professor Matt Lassiter’s book The Silent Majority…

Posted by: George in SC at July 24, 2015 12:26 PM
Comment #396763

Warren, enlightened values of the North? Not the places I’ve ever been to up there…

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/14/the_north_isnt_better_than_the_south_the_real_history_of_modern_racism_and_segregation_above_the_mason_dixon_line/

Posted by: George in SC at July 24, 2015 12:34 PM
Comment #396764

Not every Northerner was a saint, but the culture there was more enlightened than the antebellum South. Massachusetts’ Courts abolished slavery within a year after John Adams’ wrote in our Constitution that “All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.”

It is not a coincidence that Massachusetts was the nexus of the abolitionist movement throughout the antebellum. William Lloyd Garrison was born in Massachusetts among others. That isn’t to say that a more nuanced examination won’t find examples of racism. The protests against integrated busing in Boston and the failure of the Red Sox to hire a Black player soon after Jackie Robinson’s debut are both black marks for the commonwealth.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 24, 2015 1:03 PM
Comment #396765

The “antebellum South” was mostly immigrants from Scotland and/or Ireland. Most didn’t own the cotton gins, couldn’t ship the cotton to the North’s factories, and instead worked in the fields side by side with the slaves.

Massachusetts could abolish slavery because they never had it. They were too busy working the Irish immigrants to death in their factories. Guess that’s where labor unions were born.

In the 1800’s the world was racist. If someone didn’t look like you, talk like you, or act like you, well you either traded with them or killed them. It was a very harsh life for 99% of the people on this planet. Yes there were enlightened people, and since Mass had Harvard they probably had more of them other States, but those are anecdotal at best compared to humanity.

Posted by: George in SC at July 24, 2015 1:58 PM
Comment #396767
What’s that n-word doing in here? Damned n-words! Who does that n-word think he is? I don’t want an n-word living next to me!

What’s happened here? None of that diatribe is offensive according to the leftists who want to ban the word nigger. The word nigger has been replaced with “the n-word”. How can the above quote be offensive now?

Some schools have outright banned the book “The adventures of Huckleberry Finn” because it uses the word nigger over 200 times. Others have reworded the text to say slave instead of nigger. To what end? Does it represent the mindset of the times, as it should? Or, does it take the mindset of the times and whitewash it?(pun intended) How can a book truly represent the times when it is edited with the false narrative of 200 years in the future?

This entire controversy has been blown out of purportion because someone got butthurt over a mass murderer posing with a confederate flag. Never mind the guy was a mass murderer, he displays the confederate flag!! How awful!

That’s why I call it faux outrage. It is fake, misguided, theatre to achieve an objective far removed from the actual problem.

kctim was correct when he said the confederate flag wasn’t an issue until you guys were told it was. Never mind the guy who was so bent in the head he thought he could start a race war by killing people in a church! It’s the confederate flag, a long dead symbol, that is the problem. It’s the outdated rallying point that needs to be erased from the historybooks, like the language of the pre-civil war days, so we can be doomed to repeat it.

Doomed to repeat it. Because nothing puts more power into the hands of the federal government like a good ol’ American civil war.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 24, 2015 2:14 PM
Comment #396769

The conservatives that I know seem to be decent hard working principled people. They are co-workers and neighbors but I could not consider one of them a “friend”. They all seem to have a seething hatred roiling inside of them that I rarely attempt to look at in any real manner since it doesn’t seem to be grounded in any logical, factual personal accounting. Instead it seems to come from what they have read or have seen on right wing websites or impersonations of news programs. They have an other world view of the life that they are living in as much that they can’t seem to overcome the problems that they interpret as something someone else is causing. They all seem to exhibit the ability to with in a moments notice turn into something like this, John Russel Houser.

They are a frightened and frightening group of people that I hope we can rid ourselves of and quite honestly there isn’t one of them that are worth the salt that makes up their existence, not one.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 24, 2015 3:24 PM
Comment #396777

J2

I say ‘was’ because the KKK was once a large organization with millions of members, but today it is an unorganized bunch of yahoos who have 5000-8000 members that spend their time fighting amongst themselves.

“Yet from what I read the far right extremist numbers are growing and the KKK is part of that.”

The so-called far right “extremists” numbers are growing because people who carry a Constitution, quote the founders, prep, or support the 2nd Amendment, are now said to be holding “extremist” views.

The Klan is a different issue. Its numbers suffered in the early 90s. Under Clinton AND Bush, its numbers suffered more because it ‘cooler’ to be an idiot neo-nazi. The ‘coolness’ of the neo-nazis wore off under Bush2 and the Klan started gaining new members. Idiots left one idiot group for another idiot group and then came back to the first idiot group.

“The number of KKK members has risen the past decade and the number of other racist groups members has risen as well.”

Not by any significant amount, and not for the reasons you think. Illegal immigration and gay marriage have done more for the Klan than a black President did.

“In fact many were training in the military and have joined law enforcement according to studies on the subject.”

Many members of such groups have military training. This well known of 1%ers, especially. Lately, Crips, Bloods, MS13 and others do so.

“So if you are gonna frame the discussion as if the KKK is a thing of the past”

Sigh.
There will always be racists, J2. I am framing the discussion around the fact that while the KKK exists, it is irrelevant today.

“Are you suggesting these two people represent the tens of thousands but Roof doesn’t! Based upon what?”

Based upon the fact that the actions of tens of millions have nothing in common with the actions of Roof.

“Look the KKK and other overtly racist groups have used the “confederate” flag for man years.”

So have music groups, Democrats and others who are proud to be from the south.

“The civil war was all about slavery despite the latest round of conservative revisionism being spewed today.”

The Civil War is over, J2. And the heritage argument isn’t new, nor is it some kind of Conservative revisionism.

“Now 10 of millions of people aren’t as extreme or overt in their racism as the KKK but many are covert in theirs.”

People aren’t racist simply because they don’t vote the way you want them to, J2.

“You know kctim, they lefties I know are also about family hard work, personal responsibility, individualism and justice for all”

Sure you do.

“I don’t think southern pride is any different from American pride but I may be mistaken, what is the difference?”

IMO, Southern pride values family, hard work, personal responsibility and individualism the way Americans used to, while the so-called American pride you refer to values the collective over all of that. That’s why, despite how you all treat them, every single one of them would willingly die for the American flag.

Or, it could all just be about where they are from: the south.

Posted by: kctim at July 24, 2015 4:53 PM
Comment #396780

“Enslaving the occasional prisoner of war is not the same thing as an structuring an entire economy around the subjugation of one race of people in the justification of chattel slavery.”

Of course it isn’t. But is wiping out an entire tribe and enslaving its women for breeding and work, really all that much different?

“Because the flag IS a hateful symbol praised only by the ignorant and the racist.”

Yes, I know the talking point you guys have been fed. Funny how it didn’t become a hateful symbol until AFTER the south stopped voting for democrats, though.

“We have vilified the swastika for over 80 years much more harshly, but no governmental action has ever been taken to ban it from private places.”

The German government banned it because it was offensive. You know, one of those governments with such great health care and human rights record the left wants to become just like.

“I think Southerners are capable of finding an alternative means to do the same.”

Like Old Glory? No, can’t use that, it’s the symbol of genocide, and is also a symbol of the oppression of blacks. Flying over a nation for a few years has nothing on a flag flying over a nation that supported slavery for almost a hundred years, and government sponsored segregation for another hundred years, does it.
How about the TX flag? No, they fought with the south in the war.
How about AZs flag? No, we ‘stole’ that land from Mexico and AZ tries to fight illegal immigration.

Of course, if Southerners were to simply just start voting democrat, this would all be a none issue, so maybe that’s their best choice?

Posted by: kctim at July 24, 2015 5:33 PM
Comment #396781

Historical Ignorance

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/07/15/historical-ignorance-n2024814

Historical Ignorance II

Historical Ignorance II

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/07/22/historical-ignorance-ii-n2027721


Walter E. Williams
Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics and is the author of ‘Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on Discrimination?’ and ‘Up from the Projects: An Autobiography.’

I found these two articles very interesting. Perhaps you will too.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2015 6:02 PM
Comment #396782
But is wiping out an entire tribe and enslaving its women for breeding and work, really all that much different?

I don’t think this is something Crazy Horse’s Lakota Sioux ever did.

Yes, I know the talking point you guys have been fed. Funny how it didn’t become a hateful symbol until AFTER the south stopped voting for democrats, though.
The fact that Democrats were complicit in that hate before the mid-twentieth century doesn’t abrogate the fact that it remains a hateful symbol today.
The German government banned it because it was offensive.
America is an exceptional nation because we don’t do things like that here.
Like Old Glory? No, can’t use that, it’s the symbol of genocide, and is also a symbol of the oppression of blacks. Flying over a nation for a few years has nothing on a flag flying over a nation that supported slavery for almost a hundred years, and government sponsored segregation for another hundred years, does it. How about the TX flag? No, they fought with the south in the war. How about AZs flag? No, we ‘stole’ that land from Mexico and AZ tries to fight illegal immigration.
You are missing the point. The confederate battle flag exists for no reason other than the context of the US civil war, a war started primarily interested in preserving slavery. Since that war, it has served as a banner to rally white supremacist groups of many stripes.

The US flag represents a nation with a 200 year old history full of both benevolence and misdeeds. We are a diverse nation with a diverse history that requires a nuanced interpretation. The Confederacy does not hold muster when given similar treatment. As much as Royal Flush’s revisionist historians try, you cannot imagine the civil war occurring outside of the context of slavery. Notably, Dr. Williams fails to justify the South’s treason with a single written document or declaration from those who actually seceded. Of course, if he did he would be forced to reconcile his fantasy with the reality that the South fought so that they could subjugate millions of human beings under involuntary bondage. “it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves” my ass. H.L. Mencken was horribly confused, just like Dr. Williams.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 24, 2015 7:04 PM
Comment #396783

Warren, Dr. Williams writing is factual. What part is fiction? Be specific.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 24, 2015 7:24 PM
Comment #396784

Dr. Williams commits a lie of omission. He obfuscates the issue by looking at the writings of Northerners who may have show sympathy to the South rather than looking at what Southerns actually wrote down.

Terrance Barnes supplies a comment with relevant texts:

South Carolina article of casus belli (reason for Civil War):

“.A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.”

Slavery/White supremacy is the casus belli.

Mississippi article of secession:

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin…”

Slavery/White supremacy is the reason

Louisiana secession:

“As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of an­nexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery.”

Slavery is the reason

Alabama on secession:

“Upon the principles then announced by Mr. Lincoln and his leading friends, we are bound to expect his administration to be conducted. Hence it is, that in high places, among the Republi­can party, the election of Mr. Lincoln is hailed, not simply as it change of Administration, but as the inauguration of new princi­ples, and a new theory of Government, and even as the downfall of slavery. Therefore it is that the election of Mr. Lincoln cannot be regarded otherwise than a solemn declaration, on the part of a great majority of the Northern people, of hostility to the South, her property and her institutions—nothing less than an open declaration of war—for the triumph of this new theory of Government destroys the property of the South, lays waste her fields, and inaugurates all the horrors of a San Domingo servile insurrection, consigning her citizens to assassinations, and. her wives and daughters to pollution and violation, to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans.”

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 24, 2015 7:40 PM
Comment #396786

George, well said. On first read I don’t really disagree with you. I was just summarizing when I wrote “Reagan revolutionaries”, not trying to say the 80’s were a replay of the 60’s or racism was the issue of the 80’s, just saying those that left stayed.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 24, 2015 7:55 PM
Comment #396787
The so-called far right “extremists” numbers are growing because people who carry a Constitution, quote the founders, prep, or support the 2nd Amendment, are now said to be holding “extremist” views.

Nice spin kctim, those poor mistreated people are just misunderstood. I will have to disagree with you on your reasoning.

People aren’t racist simply because they don’t vote the way you want them to, J2.

Kctim, I am simply making a statement based upon observation of many different people I know, it isn’t political or a desire on my part to call out you for being racist, hell I have said this before I am not the one to cast the first stone, I try to improve but IMHO we are all racist to certain degrees.

Sure you do.

It is this reliance upon myths and misinformation that causes conservatives to sound like blathering idiots themselves kctim. If you think you guys have family values all tied up you are wrong. Same with hard work and personal responsibility. The only individualism you guys seem to be concerned with is the individualism that benefits corporations. Don’t fall for the things conservative propagandist use to divide us kctim we are much more alike than we are different. Now go ahead and claim your southern pride and I will claim my American pride but just like nationalism carried to far this statism you grasp on to to justify your ideology is a divider.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 24, 2015 8:39 PM
Comment #396794

Thanks j2,

I moved away in the 80’s then came back to the South in 1988. In just those few years I was amazed at the changes that had taken place in South Carolina. It really was a time of great change in the South as a whole and especially what some call the Sunbelt. In Sociology we used the the PERSIA model to describe a culture (Politics, Economic, Religion, Social, Intellect, and Arts) and there was great change in all of these throughout the South. I think that model has been updated to include Technology now and technology further transformed the South in the 90s. Once DirectTV brought MTV to every farm community (before they could only get the networks and PBS) the change was complete and now you have shows like Party Down South!

Posted by: George in SC at July 25, 2015 9:24 AM
Comment #396795

kctim,

“Yes, I know the talking point you guys have been fed. Funny how it didn’t become a hateful symbol until AFTER the south stopped voting for democrats, though.”

Wow, taking points about talking points?

The stars and bars have always been a recognized symbol of oppression. Funny how this isn’t actually a “Republican vs Democrat” thing now matter how much you’d like it to be. Interesting though how you now recognize the discussion didn’t just start yesterday, as you and Willie had stated earlier.

You made light of my sarcastic analogy early in this thread, yet spuriously claim “Southern Values” encompassed by the flag as different from those of the rest of the country, and, also claim those same “Southern Values” as the moral high ground.

Bullshit.

The South doesn’t own the franchise on the values you speak of, and to claim so is patently absurd. Southerners that worship the battle flag may, in the end, be willing to “die for country”, but which flag would they be willing to die for first.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 25, 2015 10:59 AM
Comment #396797

“Throughout most of our nation’s history, the only sources of federal revenue were excise taxes and tariffs. During the 1850s, tariffs amounted to 90 percent of federal revenue. Southern ports paid 75 percent of tariffs in 1859. What “responsible” politician would let that much revenue go?”

“The ratification documents of Virginia, New York and Rhode Island explicitly said they held the right to resume powers delegated should the federal government become abusive of those powers. The Constitution never would have been ratified if states thought they could not regain their sovereignty — in a word, secede.”

Quotes from Thomas Sowell

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 25, 2015 12:57 PM
Comment #396801

I’m confused. When did Thomas Sowell hack into Walter E. Williams’ account on Townhall.com?

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 25, 2015 3:24 PM
Comment #396805

Yes Warren, confusion seems to reign supreme instead of recognizing a simple error.

Posted by: Royal Flush at July 25, 2015 6:31 PM
Comment #396810

And here I thought you were praying once again at the altar you’ve created for that charlatan.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 26, 2015 9:54 AM
Comment #396815

Apparently there was a um…. let’s say, fellow citizen waving a “Stars and Bars” around the Gettysburg Battlefield yesterday;

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/flag-waving-on-hallowed-ground.html

According to the poster they also had a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag as well, so I have to agree with the poster when she says this was a political statement not a “Southern Culture” memorial thing.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 26, 2015 8:27 PM
Comment #396836
I think anyone who believes that flag symbolizes anything more than tyranny through subjugation should be ridiculed for the fools they are.

I think it was a way of life and the federal government, via. pressure from abolitionists, took it away from them.

No, seriously, laughed out of the room.

Ok, I’ll give you that one, Rocky Marks, but do you remember C&J’s post about empathy?

Those that are pushing this nonsense act like the southern plantations during the Civil war were bed and breakfasts, entertaining genteel African tourists, fresh off luxury cruise ships.

Let’s not exaggerate here, Rocky Marks! That is your opinion and only yours. No one thinks southern plantations were vacations on a cruise ship. Quit throwing chaff.

And they claim “States rights”.

Finally! Now you get it! It took forever! Now you understand what the civil war was about and what is now becoming another civil conflict. The 10th amendment, Rocky Marks! That’s what it really was about!

Well sure, without slavery there would have been virtually no Southern economy.

You don’t know that, Rocky Marks! Slaves could have made slavery obsolete! Remember the guy who created the cotton gin? He made a machine to take the seeds out of the cotton plant and made obsolete many slaves picking the seeds out of each cotton ball. Who was that guy, Rocky Marks?

It’s kind of hard to support a business, or a State, if you actually have to pay the help.

What’s the difference between a civil war era slave and a 2015 era fruit picker from Mexico, or a mother of 7 on welfare?

Answer: The Civil War slave fought for his way of life, and his right to make his own money.

Answer: The Mexican fruit picker thinks he can stay and wants to move back in.

Answer: The mother wants a husband she doesn’t have to feed every day.


Which one do you want to ban, Rocky Marks?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 28, 2015 3:04 AM
Comment #396837

Willie,

Your post doesn’t make any sense.

Eli Whitney was dead long before the beginning of the Civil War, and the cotton gin was patented in 1794.

Of your three examples above the slave is bought and sold, and has no choice in the matter. Whether he wins his freedom is at the whim of his owner.

That isn’t a choice.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 28, 2015 6:32 AM
Comment #396843

Warren

“Since that war, it has served as a banner to rally white supremacist groups of many stripes.”

That is undeniable. But the point I am trying to make is that the vast majority of people who ‘fly’ that flag are not doing so for racist reasons. I simply disagree with using the actions of a few to define the whole.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2015 10:13 AM
Comment #396846

J2

“Nice spin kctim, those poor mistreated people are just misunderstood.”

They are not misunderstood, they are targeted because of their beliefs of limited government, low taxes and individual responsibility.

“Kctim, I am simply making a statement based upon observation of many different people I know”

Using a personal observation of some, to define the whole, is wrong.

“it isn’t political or a desire on my part to call out you for being racist”

LOL! It most definitely is. If it weren’t, you wouldn’t base your claims on simply differing with your opinions, but rather with facts proving a belief of superiority.
Lower taxes and less government is NOT a racist position, J2.

“It is this reliance upon myths and misinformation that causes conservatives to sound like blathering idiots themselves kctim.”

Good thing I am a Constitutionalist and not Conservative, then.

“If you think you guys have family values all tied up you are wrong.”

I would never claim such a thing. People are individuals and should be looked upon as such. But if an individual supports things that weaken the strength and structure of the family unit, discourages hard work and personal responsibility, it should be pointed out.

“The only individualism you guys seem to be concerned with is the individualism that benefits corporations.”

You just don’t get it, J2. When a person supports the individualism laid out in our Constitution, corporations are not part of the equation. If keeping my freedom of choice to choose whether or not to have health insurance benefits some big ‘evil corporation,’ I don’t care.

“Don’t fall for the things conservative propagandist use to divide us kctim we are much more alike than we are different.”

THEY are not the ones dividing. The policies that infringe on our individual rights, are.

“Now go ahead and claim your southern pride”

I’m not from the south, J2.

“but just like nationalism carried to far this statism you grasp on to to justify your ideology is a divider”

I am not the one promoting a “political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.” You are.
MY ideology is based on the Constitution, which is why we are in disagreement about how our government runs. We are so divided because my ideology is based on the individual and yours is based on society.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2015 11:29 AM
Comment #396849

Rocky

People within their state were debating the issue on and off amongst themselves. Not because the states and people displaying the flag were actually practicing racism, but because a few found it offensive. That is how the system is supposed to work.
But now, when some nut goes crazy, there is a nationwide government and media blitz to associate everybody as racists. THAT tactic is what just started.

“You made light of my sarcastic analogy early in this thread, yet spuriously claim “Southern Values” encompassed by the flag as different from those of the rest of the country,”

Values “encompassed” by the people, not the flag. The flag is nothing more than a symbol of where they are from.

“and, also claim those same “Southern Values” as the moral high ground.”

I happen to believe family, hard work and personal responsibility are all values that give individuals the moral high ground. If that is BS thinking nowadays, then so be it.

“Southerners that worship the battle flag may, in the end, be willing to “die for country”, but which flag would they be willing to die for first.”

You don’t sign up to defend the CSA or to defend the confederate flag. Neither exists in any official capacity.
To question what country a soldier is willing to die for simply because she has a rebel flag sticker on her truck is ridiculous.

Posted by: kctim at July 28, 2015 1:05 PM
Comment #396871

kctim,

Apparently you miss the entire point, so I’ll give it one more try then you’re on your own.

“I happen to believe family, hard work and personal responsibility are all values that give individuals the moral high ground. If that is BS thinking nowadays, then so be it.”

These are the values we all hold.

“You don’t sign up to defend the CSA or to defend the confederate flag. Neither exists in any official capacity.
To question what country a soldier is willing to die for simply because she has a rebel flag sticker on her truck is ridiculous.”

I didn’t say, “which country” I said which flag, huge difference.
The point is which flag do they hold nearest to their heart.
It would appear they hold the stars and bars closest, as that is the flag they use for their political statement against this country and it’s government.

And that my friend is an insult to my intelligence.

I don’t want to ban that flag for the same reason you never teach a pig to sing.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 28, 2015 8:15 PM
Comment #396885

Rocky

Yes, we all say we hold those values, but not all support them through their beliefs and actions. Through their vote.

Old Glory represents the country and the average person holds that flag nearest their heart, and that is the flag they are willing to sign up and die for. Unlike those who walk on, burn or wipe their a$$ with Old Glory.

The statement the average person is making with the stars and bars is that they are proud to be from the southern part of the US.

Sad to see that even you have chosen to take up the angry condescending tone that permeates the left nowadays.

Posted by: kctim at July 29, 2015 10:45 AM
Comment #396891

kctim,

“Sad to see that even you have chosen to take up the angry condescending tone that permeates the left nowadays.”

I am far from angry. I am now and have always been a sarcastic smart a**.

It’s in my nature.

I think the whole thing of people wrapping themselves in the Confederate flag is about as silly as it gets, Southerner or not.

I am from California, I live in Arizona, but I am an American first.

Oh, and BTW, apparently your not listening to the angry, condescending tone that has permeated the right for decades.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 29, 2015 10:27 PM
Comment #396892

Rocky, I have never met people who wrap themselves in the Confederate flag, only people who display it as a symbol of the south today.

“apparently your not listening to the angry, condescending tone that has permeated the right for decades.”

Oh, I have heard it, but it’s a much different tone.
The right is angry because things are being taken from them, the left is angry because things aren’t being given to them, and because people simply disagree with them.

Posted by: kctim at July 30, 2015 9:50 AM
Comment #396915

The only reason the Confederate flag is in the news is because the left manufactured it and put it there. They were hoping to “put it in it’s place”. Such as moving a statue of the confederate Cav officer Forrest moved “out of sight”, or removing the flag from monuments. They even went as far as getting the wussies at Wallmart to pull it from their shelves! However, I think it’s backfired on them.

Sure, the people who were butthurt because they saw it made their voices heard and coerced some lilly livered politicians to pander to them, but the Confederate flag is much more prominant than what I’ve have seen in my entire life!

Oops, right? Typical though. Leftists have been generally short sighted and reactionary to a fault. Why would this turn out any different?

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 30, 2015 10:02 PM
Comment #396917

Do you know what I’m really curious about? The Washington Redskin’s name fiasco.

My home town high school team is call the Redskins. There are no plans to change it, but north of here a school announced they would change the name of their school right smack dab in the middle of the school year!

I’m really curious about how that will turn out.

Do you know what I think would put this whole fake redskin drama to bed? The whole thing would disappear if the Dallas Cowboys renamed their team to the Dallas Palefaces.

Faux outrage about a name? Done.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 31, 2015 1:34 AM
Comment #396920

Weary, yes it is nothing more than a manufactured issue by far-left extremists. If the south voted democrat, it would not be an issue at all.

He11, even polls are showing that the vast majority of Americans don’t view it as a symbol of racism.

Posted by: kctim at July 31, 2015 11:41 AM
Comment #396936

“Weary, yes it is nothing more than a manufactured issue by far-left extremists.”

Seriously?

What a load of crap. I guess it’s nice that you two believe that.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 1, 2015 8:16 AM
Comment #396937

That it is a manufactured issue or that it is far-left extremists?

I don’t see people rising up enmass about the confederate flag like they are toward the issue of dead babies in petre dishes being sold like pork steak in a supermarket.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 1, 2015 9:50 AM
Comment #396938

Willie,

“…like they are toward the issue of dead babies in petre dishes being sold like pork steak in a supermarket.”

Except Willie that would be illegal, it didn’t happen, and the evidence that it did was manufactured.

Were you always this gullible?

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 1, 2015 10:20 AM
Comment #396940

I can ask the same of you, Rocky Marks. Do you know something I don’t? Did they call in some special effects pros to manufacture the little arms that were laying in those petre dishes? Were those people only playing doctors on TV with lines like “Another boy!” and “This is a leg.”?

Someone must have gone to great lengths to “manufacture” videos like those.

Or do you have your fingers in your ears while screaming, “IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!” like a four year old, a lucky four year old, hiding from the boogie man?

(I say lucky because he was able to survive the left’s genocide of little boys and girls they find inconvient)

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 1, 2015 1:34 PM
Comment #396941

“Do you know something I don’t?”

I know lots of things you don’t, Willie.

I can only assume though that you know for sure and for certain, without a shadow of a doubt that the fetal parts were actually for sale.

As I see it the right has an unquenchable thirst for all things hysteria, especially if it makes your perceived enemies, the left, look bad.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at August 1, 2015 4:27 PM
Comment #396953

The lady wants a Lamborghini, Rocky Marks! She also said she needed to see if the price could be higher before she committed to the sale. She didn’t want to get low-balled.

Apparently I know things you don’t as well.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 2, 2015 1:46 AM
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